/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11898262]

So we all agree masks work right? What is the science on mask wearing for preventing outbreaks? Why are so many people against science for one of the most obvious and simpliest concepts?

ITT: we discuss the best types of disease preventing masks and proper usage. Also sharing of pro-mask memes

[Anonymous No.11898272]

>>11898262

They probably don't work. What works is social distancing, and wearing masks reminds people to keep distance.

[Anonymous No.11898290]

>>11898262
New Zealand finished lockdown months ago. No faces no cases.

[Anonymous No.11898305]

>>11898262
You never breath some one into the face in public, but people on your side are much closer to you as in front and your back.

A mask can help you to breath in other peoples face with out them even knowing it cause it forces the air to leak out on your sides.

[Anonymous No.11898325]

>>11898272
They DO work. People should wear masks, especially in AZ, TX and FL. The science is settled.

>>11898290
That's because they were on lockdown longer and didnt stupidly open early like the US. Since the US is stupidly deciding to open, they should wear masks. Yes ideally they should be quarantined longer.

[Anonymous No.11898339]

>>11898305
Its more common for people to be behind me or in front of me. Masks will reduce the percent infected. Ideally everyone should be forced to stay at home.

[Anonymous No.11898345]

>>11898339
>Ideally everyone should be forced to stay at home.
When the only factor you consider is infections, sure. Why not look at everything one dimensionally.

[Anonymous No.11898351]

>>11898345
Obviously the goal is to flatten the curve as to not overwhelm hospitals, therefore the infection rate is the critical number.

[Anonymous No.11898357]

[Anonymous No.11898363]

>>11898262
It depends on the type of mask and what it's made to do. Obviously you're still going to get infected if you wipe your eyes.

>>11898351
Flattening the curve also overwhelms the hospitals because you have staff working overtime for months on end.

[Anonymous No.11898377]

>>11898262
This is what happens when you deny masks are useful.

[Anonymous No.11898378]

>>11898272
>They probably don't work.
Might be coincidental, but it's interesting that all of the states in the North East have had mask mandates since April, and they're showing very little or no rise in new cases. Meanwhile, Arizona and Florida still don't have mask mandates and their cases are skyrocketing.

[Anonymous No.11898379]

It's not so much the question of the mask as it is the handling of the mask.

Will you take it off and wash your hands? every time?
Will you use a new one every tie or re-use that mask?
Are you going to rub your face even with the mask on?
Are you going to take a drink out of a straw, fuck up and hit the mask, before sliding it under your mask to drink?
Are you actually staying away from other people?

There's more to this than just a mask. There's actually no real research on COVID besides what it does to people it's already killing.

[Anonymous No.11898388]

>>11898363
The masks wont completely stop the spread but statically they will help which is the point. Hospitals can stand being busy for months on end. They cannot stand to be hit with thousands of urgent cases at once. There is only so much space and so many staff members and so much supplies. Look at whats happening with AZ. Their healthcare system is overwelmed.

[Anonymous No.11898394]

>>11898378
>the vacation capital in america is having a spike in cases in the summer time
shocker

[Anonymous No.11898401]

>>11898379
While these all seem like valid points, I've yet to see a convincing example of masks increasing infection rates. It seems like fretting over nothing. It may be that respiratory infections are spread far more through aerosol inhalation than through fomites.

[Anonymous No.11898404]

>>11898394
Yes, when I think of paradise, Arizona is what comes to mind.

[Anonymous No.11898407]

COVID is good. It kills off the old and the fatties, fixing the social security insolvency and obesity at the same time.

[Anonymous No.11898410]

>>11898407
>It kills off the old and the fatties
About 90% of Americans check one of those categories.

[Anonymous No.11898418]

>>11898404
>deliberatly missing the point
I don't know what's going on in arizona, but the vacation capital of america having a spike during vacation time is not surprising.

[Anonymous No.11898421]

>>11898418
It seems you missed the point. Florida's only one of many states experiencing a second rise, and the majority of them haven't mandated mask use, or only did so recently. Opening up without masks is asking for a disaster.

[Anonymous No.11898426]

>>11898418
Except the spike is causing hospitals to become full and encumbered. Please do more research.

[Anonymous No.11898432]

>>11898421
The vacation capital in america would experience a spike even with masks.

>>11898426
not something I was arguing, please do more research.

[Anonymous No.11898437]

>>11898432
You'd think it would be a no brainer to not open the state so early but Republicans are too stupid to live

[Anonymous No.11898441]

>>11898401
IT could also be that we measured everything wrong and COVID might not even be anywhere remotely as deadly as we first thought. Right now cases are going up but the fatalities aren't.

[Anonymous No.11898442]

>>11898432
>The vacation capital in america would experience a spike even with masks.
But it may not be outpacing all of Europe.

[Anonymous No.11898443]

>>11898441
hmm

[Anonymous No.11898445]

>>11898432
>not something I was arguing
Arizona doesnt typically become full of sickpeople in the summertime so I dont really understand why you arent surprised. Wearing masks would statistically reduce the infection rate.

[Anonymous No.11898447]

>>11898441

[Anonymous No.11898449]

>>11898418
Vacationers visiting Florida wouldn't be adding to their numbers.

[Anonymous No.11898451]

>>11898441
Now let's see New York

[Anonymous No.11898453]

>>11898437
Florida is a swing state and you're only look at the issue one dimensionally. Unemployment also causes deaths but no one realizes it.

>>11898445
My point was about florida being the vacation capital of america, I don't know what's going on in arizona.

>>11898449
It spreads the disease to people in florida.

[Anonymous No.11898456]

>>11898453
>It spreads the disease to people in florida.
Seems like an excuse when it's rising elsewhere as well, so it's safe to assume Florida would be in bad shape regardless of vacationers.

[Anonymous No.11898458]

>>11898453
DeSantis is a total retard in how he has handled this. No question about it. Everyone flooded the bars and clubs when they reopened and these are the consequences

[Anonymous No.11898463]

>>11898357
This is missing the part where he told him not to wear a mask for 3 months previously

[Anonymous No.11898465]

>>11898443
>>11898447
>>11898451
What website is that, if you don't mind sharing?

[Anonymous No.11898466]

>>11898465
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/state-timeline

[Anonymous No.11898471]

>>11898458
If you want to talk about retarded governors here, I'd point you to new york, but you can't keep people locked up for 3 months.

[Anonymous No.11898476]

>>11898471
Why has the NE managed to contain the virus?

[Anonymous No.11898479]

>>11898476
North East?

[Anonymous No.11898486]

>>11898479

[Anonymous No.11898491]

>>11898471
>but you can't keep people locked up for 3 months.
That's why mask mandates and social distancing are important when reopening

[Anonymous No.11898493]

>>11898486
You mean how that shows the north east was hit earlier?

[Anonymous No.11898500]

>>11898493
You can see the original wave in Florida when the lockdowns were in place and how it has ballooned when they rushed the reopening. Same in places like GA, SC and Texas

[Anonymous No.11898512]

>>11898493
the northeast does not have the so-called herd immunity. the vast majority of us didn't get infected.

[Anonymous No.11898513]

>>11898262
>So we all agree masks work right?
No, quite the opposite even. 4chan is supermajority against masks. No need to inject a false steering statement like that.

[Anonymous No.11898538]

>>11898500
Once again the vacation capital of america is in vacation time.

>>11898512
Look at sweden. Basically no covid restrictions and now almost no deaths and everything is reopening.

[Anonymous No.11898543]

>>11898378
Weren't those northeastern states already hit hard by the virus?
This would cause some herd immunity buffer, if so.
iirc, 30% of New Yorkers tested like a few weeks back already had antibodies for the virus.

[Anonymous No.11898547]

>>11898538
>Once again the vacation capital of america is in vacation time
I don't know why you keep dancing around the subject when the data is pretty self explanatory

[Anonymous No.11898548]

>>11898290
Only a tiny amount of us wore masks or took it seriously. I went to the supermarket during lockdown with an N95 and people were looking at me like I was a freak.
We were lucky because we always get a lag from the rest of the world so we could see it coming and we are an isolated country of 5 million.

[Anonymous No.11898552]

>>11898547
Because it's an important part that you don't seem to consider

[Anonymous No.11898559]

>>11898548
We posses the hardest flex o te year

[Anonymous No.11898561]

>>11898538
Sweden is a terrible example. It has the 6th highest coronavirus death rate in the world
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?tab=table

[Anonymous No.11898567]

>>11898559
Well it was pretty easy when you have the Pacific Ocean for a border. Just shut down airports and give everyone 4 weeks off work. The virus never really got a chance.

[Anonymous No.11898568]

>>11898561
That's because elderly people in retirement homes were exposed to the virus, same as italy, uk, and new york, and Sweden is doing better than those countries/state with almost no precautionary measures.

[Anonymous No.11898576]

>>11898568
Sweden had one of the worst responses and worst results in the world. Are you retarded?
>the only people who died were the most vulnerable people that they didn't protect because they didn't shut down
>so clearly those don't count
I guess the answer is: Yes, you are retarded.

[Anonymous No.11898577]

>>11898547
>data is pretty self explanatory

[Anonymous No.11898593]

>>11898576
>>the only people who died were the most vulnerable people that they didn't protect because they didn't shut down
No they just failed to protect the elderly, pretty much the same as every other place with high death rates. Interesting how the infection rates are not going down but the deaths are down the almost zero isn't it.

[Anonymous No.11898599]

>>11898593
>No they just failed to protect the elderly
Nobody knows how to protect the elderly, specifically. Communism "just" failed to eliminate all class distinction.

[Anonymous No.11898607]

>>11898593
>every other place with high death rates had a lot of vulnerable people die
>coincidentally, these places didn't lock down
>the places with low death rates generally went into lockdown early, had good testing programs etc
I'm shocked.

[Anonymous No.11898614]

>>11898599
Yes we do. Halve of the deaths in sweden came from nursing homes, and 90% of them came from people over 70 (which means that most of the deaths are people near the age of life expectancy). What you do for nursing homes is you put strict restrictions on visitors and make the workers comply with very high hygiene standards and not the whole country. If sweden had better measures for nursing homes, their numbers would be substantially reduced, and they're already down to almost zero deaths a day without lowering the infection rate.

>>11898607
New york, UK, italy, all put sick old people in nursing homes, resulting in high death rates, and they went under lock down. All of those places were worse off than sweden (by death rate)

[Anonymous No.11898623]

>>11898614
>New york, UK, italy, all put sick old people in nursing homes, resulting in high death rates, and they went under lock down.
The people were already in nursing homes. Jesus Christ, you are misinformed.

UK and Italy are barely worse than Sweden despite also not going into lockdown early AND being much larger travel destinations/intermediaries than Sweden.

[Anonymous No.11898626]

>>11898614
>Yes we do.
No country has done so to my knowledge. All you need is a caretaker bringing the virus to a nursing home to have a death party. You can't make caretakers into doctors overnight, they won't follow the necessary virus containment protocol, and pretending otherwise is just wishful thinking.

[Anonymous No.11898640]

>>11898623
>The people were already in nursing homes. Jesus Christ, you are misinformed.
no you are. Thousands of sick elder were sent to nursing homes in new york
https://apnews.com/b29d0a5eb51a5aed21d5efe132c33374

Sweden never went into lockdown

>>11898626
It' much easier to make people who work at nursing homes to comply with sanitation stands than the whole country, and it has the added benefit of not destroying the economy.

[Anonymous No.11898651]

>>11898640
>It' much easier to make people who work at nursing homes to comply with sanitation stands than the whole country
If the whole country has a lower risk of infection, the caretaker has a lower risk of being infected, less dead old people. If you want to leave the virus run unchecked and still not kill grandma you will have to provide training and ppe to caretakers, and no country has done this on the scale needed successfully.

[Anonymous No.11898664]

>>11898651
>If the whole country has a lower risk of infection,
you're looking at the problem one dimensionally. There are other factors to consider than infection and death rates. And sweden's infection rates have not really gone down but the deaths are almost at zero.

[Anonymous No.11898668]

>>11898262
Most think they work, some think they're better than nothing, some time they actually harm you more than help you.

The last 2 are correct. The concept of wearing masks assumes you're wearing and cleaning them properly, and changing them out frequently depending on type, and even then it's only supposed to maybe help trap your cough in case you're already infected, not protect your from outer particles. It's supposed to slow the spread, not stop it.

Like I said, better than nothing.

[Anonymous No.11898723]

>>11898664

The wishful thinking keeps on piling, we're hoping now that the virus is less lethal than we know it is.
Sure enough, I just checked, and daily deaths per million are still pretty high compared to neighboring countries.
By the way, Sweden's economy is tanking at about the same rate as neighboring countries. A whole bunch of death for nothing.

[Anonymous No.11898726]

>>11898262
i heard a weird analogy for how masks prevent transmission
>if everyone walked around with no clothes peeing everywhere, everyone would get pee on them
that was analogous to no masks
>if you put on pants, you wouldn't be able to pee on anyone because you would just pee your pants. however, if someone peed on you, the pee would still reach you, but less than if you had no pants
this is analogous to only you wearing a mask
>if everyone had pants on, they could only pee their pants and no pee would be transferred
this is if everyone wore a mask, so you see it's very effective

[Anonymous No.11898849]

>>11898552
Yes it's important in showing how disastrous the response is and showing how shouldn't have reopened without mask mandates so it's irrelevant to the conversation about whether masks and reopening were handled correctly.

[Anonymous No.11898859]

>>11898262
Thoughts about the following PNAS article concerning pre- or asymptomatic spread driving COVID-19 dynamics?

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/07/02/2008373117

[Anonymous No.11898862]

>>11898262
They make the cloud of bodily fluids you exhale around you smaller.

So keeping your distance is still required.

[Anonymous No.11898863]

>>11898859
Thoughts about this PNAS article concerning the efficacy of wearing masks?

https://www.pnas.org/content/117/26/14857

[Anonymous No.11898867]

>>11898577
The data hasn't been normalized for risk factors such as obesity, diabetes and old age.

[Truth No.11898872]

>>11898262
Have you ever considered that some individuals do not care if they might do harm to the people around them and know that if they do contract the 'rona they will come out unscathed?

[Anonymous No.11898888]

>>11898441
>Right now cases are going up but the fatalities aren't.
Your information is out of date, fatalities are rising all across america and have been for about a week

[Anonymous No.11898906]

>>11898888
Quads of inconvenient truth

[Anonymous No.11898968]

>>11898262
No. Fuck you.

[Truth No.11898969]

>>11898906
I don't know, i think it's convenient.
I mean, why expect me to give a flying fuck about anyone here?

[Anonymous No.11899015]

>>11898262
>Why are so many people against science
>Also sharing of pro-mask memes
Go back to /r/coronavirus.

>>11898379
Most of these don't matter much when the idea is that they stop you from spreading it, not necessarily stopping you from contracting it.

[Anonymous No.11899017]

>>11898305
>A mask can help you to breath in other peoples face with out them even knowing it cause it forces the air to leak out on your sides
It still won't go as far, if you're keeping your distance it's not a huge issue, and people at your side during all this probably spend enough time around you that it wouldn't help anyways.

[Anonymous No.11899031]

Yes we know masks we prevent the spread and anyone saying otherwise is a huge goddamn retard. The biggest issue is that these retards (correctly) state that the masks won't prevent you from getting the virus (unless you're wearing an N95), but some don't goddamn realize that it does largely prevent you from passing it to others. Even that it's droplet-borne when you talk everything stays within your own mask. When everyone's wearing a mask then you have an enormous decrease in transmission. Hell, it's the biggest reason why there were almost no major outbreaks as a result of all those protests in large cities across the country, everyone wore masks. I genuinely thought we were going to get enormous outbreaks because of those, but it just didn't happen

>>11898543
>This would cause some herd immunity buffer, if so.
The number of actual infections isn't even close to herd immunity status

[Anonymous No.11899032]

>>11899015
>Most of these don't matter much when the idea is that they stop you from spreading it, not necessarily stopping you from contracting it.
This. If everyone else is wearing masks, you won't probably won't end up with the virus on your mask in the first place.

[Anonymous No.11899037]

>>11899031
>Even that it's droplet-borne
Given that it's droplet-borne*

[Anonymous No.11899061]

>>11898441
>Right now cases are going up but the fatalities aren't.
It's almost as if there's a lag time between contraction and getting sick enough to die, which we already saw when shit hit the fan in the northeast

[Anonymous No.11899063]

>>11898339
>that picture
kek

[Anonymous No.11899066]

>>11898407
YEAH KILLEM!!!

[Anonymous No.11899077]

>>11899061
And what is that time period?
>Whatever I need it to be to make the plot of my fantasy work.

[Anonymous No.11899093]

>>11899077
We've been studying the virus for months now. We know it doesn't fucking kill you within days of contraction

[Anonymous No.11899272]

>>11898262
Yes, they objectively work. The secret is though that they provide minimal protection for you, and primarily serve to stop your stupid ass from spreading it to everyone nearby when you inevitably get it. Their primary purpose is literally just to stop infected particulate from being spewn out.
>>11898379
Infections from contact with surfaces are of miniscule risk. The virus is primarily airborne.

[Anonymous No.11899329]

>>11898463
fuck you

[Anonymous No.11899333]

>>11898325
>They DO work. People should wear masks, especially in AZ, TX and FL. The science is settled.
no iti sn't.

[Anonymous No.11899341]

>>11898378
NYC has huge infection rates and high death rates among it's people (granted most are minorities so).

[Anonymous No.11899361]

-If you are sick stay indoors.
-you can still contract it if you are near a sick person since sick people in general emit and aura if illness so to speak. Wearing masks doesn't make you suddenly immune to catching or spreading it. The longer you are near a person the higher the chances either person can spread it
-Pre-covid if you are sick visiting a person the hospital is a horrid idea since there's people who have weaker immune systems and staff getting sick. There's a reason hospitals are cleaned so intensely
-crowded areas are no good. Denser cities suffer more because there's less room to move or space out. Like Tokyo or NYC.
-if you work a job in contact with people you will have higher chance of getting it which is what afflicted many minorities in places like NYC who still had to work or lived in denser areas.

[Anonymous No.11899371]

>>11898262
>>>Experts
>Duh don't wear a mask they don't work
>Except they work for doctors
>Ooops I guess they did work
>Now you *must* wear a mask

[Anonymous No.11899424]

>>11899333
"Masks reduce the spread" is settled even if they determine it's not mostly spreading through droplets.

[Anonymous No.11899444]

>>11898262
Masks do work great against viruses.

If there would be a proper plague with bacteria, paper masks would not work, as it is a breeding ground.

Best mask is a proper plague doctor mask.
1. You can disinfect nose/breathing peace by burning it. It's made of pipe clay, which can take lot of heat.
2. Pipe clay is non-irritating enough for skin.
3. You can put low release chemical aerosols inside breathing compartment. Which in turn will reduce the amount of bacteria and virus.
4. Beware some aerosols react with heat.Do not go near places like open fires. Do not remove mask, while in city. 30 hour-45 hour time period. then mask removal outside of city. Outside assistant can help with disinfection.
5. It's tested, proven to be excellent accessory with other protection gear. It work's in high stress situations like, out of power. No proper medical technology available.
6. Information about suits is based on knowledge safeguarded by catholic priests. There were copy and look a like suits in medieval time which gave the whole idea a bad name.

[Anonymous No.11899447]

>>11899444
>Best mask is a proper plague doctor mask
If you get a big enough beak, it handles distancing too.

[Anonymous No.11899448]

>>11899444
Disinfection while outside of city can be made by heating up a liquid disinfectant. Thus pouring resulting steam to suit.

[Anonymous No.11899460]

>>11899447
Best distancing equipment and most readily available are shopping carts. Cart can be filled with safety items, like disinfectants, or some form of purifying agents.

[Anonymous No.11899469]

>>11899460
Don't forget to motorize it (if you use steam power, it's a disinfectant), and put a cow catcher on the front to get rid of those pesky mobs.

[Anonymous No.11899500]

>>11899371
>>>Scientists
>We have no evidence indicating that masks will help for community spread (this is different to being in a room with a confirmed case hence why medical personnel still had a reason to use them)
>Politicians suggest average people don't use masks so they can be saved for healthcare workers and scientists (this was not a scientific suggestion)
>Studies come out showing they do help reduce community transmission
>Oooops I guess they do work
>Updating recommendations as information changes
The whole point of science is updating based on evidence. Would you rather people still go around saying that disease is caused by miasma?

[Anonymous No.11899509]

>>11899500
>Would you rather people still go around saying that disease is caused by miasma?
Yes, but only because that's what I've been saying the whole time and I want to be considered right instead of having to change anything.

[Anonymous No.11899523]

>>11899500
This. It's really sad that the scientific method is perceived as mystical to many Americans.

[Anonymous No.11899531]

>>11899523
I blame our election system more than our education system.

[Anonymous No.11899541]

>>11899523
>>11899531
Playing devil's advocate I think part of that is caused by institutions such as the WHO. They said there's no recommendation to wear masks but they don't really clarify that that means there's no evidence that they help, not that there is evidence that they don't help. It's a small distinction but when you're talking to people who aren't familiar with the scientific method and you say "there's no evidence of that" they tend to jump to the second option.
Working in industry I find I have to pick my words unbelievably carefully when talking to C-levels and marketing staff, otherwise they get confused easily. I can only imagine how much worse it'd be for the average person.

[Anonymous No.11899576]

>>11899541
The WHO definitely fucked up the whole way.

[Anonymous No.11899588]

>>11899500
the information didn't change though.

masks have been around for hundreds of years. you would think that if masks didn't work, someone would have pointed that out by now.

the point is that the average person is viewing this as a black or white thing. mqsks are either 100% preventing the spread of the disease or it 100% isn't.

the truth is simply that while masks aren't completely stoppping the spread of the vorus, they do significantly *slow down* the spread of the disease or make it significantly less likely for a transmission to occur. combine that with other measures (hand washing, etc.) and it becomes very complicated for the virus to spread.

[Anonymous No.11899596]

[Anonymous No.11899598]

>>11899588
>the point is that the average person is viewing this as a black or white thing. mqsks are either 100% preventing the spread of the disease or it 100% isn't.
The average person isn't that smart, so that's about the level they're on when they're not given any better information. Probabilities are not something easily understood by most people, especially when their outcomes are invisible.

[Anonymous No.11899614]

>>11899596
Well, I just said "better information" would help, but 70% will not sound good to most people even though it actually should be enough to keep it in check combined with carriers going so low.

[Anonymous No.11899624]

>>11899614
>will not sound good
pandemics are kinda stressful
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[Anonymous No.11899629]

>>11899329
Stellar response

[Anonymous No.11899636]

>>11899576
The CCP has taken over control of the WHO ever since the Avian Flu outbreak and SARS left them exposed. They've gone to great lenghts to bribe countries to get their puppets (Margaret Chan, and now Tedros) as head of the WHO to ensure it never happens again.

[Anonymous No.11899638]

>>11899624
That's not the issue. Telling someone a mask reduces their odds to 70% will make them lump it in with 100% instead of 0%. The big problem right now is people acting like masks either make you immune or do nothing, because the middle, despite still being useful, doesn't make sense to them.

[Anonymous No.11899713]

>>11899638
>will make them lump it in with
stupid people believe stupid things
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[Anonymous No.11899727]

>>11899576
The WHO made a series of cockups. Some of these were more about communications but some were inexcusable. Let's wind the clock back:
>Not human transmissable
This was a pretty catastrophic fuck up to maintain that there was no evidence of human transmissability while China was locking down Wuhan, already had several 100 doctors in quarantine, and Taiwan had released evidence of transmission. Countries should have acted and ignored the WHO at this point, but I think that in a situation where the 'science' appears to be telling you one thing and it's spooks telling you something different, it's not surprising so many followed the WHO line.
>No need for flight bans
The WHO insisted early on that flights out of China shouldn't be stopped. Taiwan, SK, and Japan promptly ignored this, with the US following a little later. Other countries, particularly in Europe, recieved a large number of arrivals in this time focussed in Madrid, Rome, and Heathrow airport. The WHO has an aversion to suggesting countries be isolated and while this only caused local issues during the ebola crisis, with a highly infectious disease like
> No need for masks
The subject of the thread. The WHO advice was initially that there was 'no need to wear a mask. There is no evidence that a mask can prevent the spread of the novel coronavirus (COVID-19)'. This changed to 'there is no need to wear a mask except in cases where you expect to be in an enclosed space in close proximity to others for a prolonged period of time' and finally in June they finally said 'wear a mask'. The point here is that you cannot make this kind of radical change in recommendation and expect the majority of people to readily accept it. No significant new research has been done, there has been no change in the disease. I think the reason the WHO got hung up on this is related to the next point.
1/2

[Anonymous No.11899731]

>>11899727
>Mode of transmission
The WHO has gone on the following journey wrt transmission: close contact, tidal breathing, aerosol, potentially airborne. Again this lead them to denigrate measures they are now recommending, and to endorse measures which at the time people criticised them for because they made no sense. This kind of slow unwilling transition to something which most people would have happily assumed. There would have been no downside to telling everyone to act as if it were airborne or aerosol spread from day 1. Delaying this only seemed to serve as a justification for their range of other confused positions.
>WHO is cursed by its name
The WHO is a name like the IFS or UN which for people unfamiliar with the subjects involved appears to carry authority and weight. The problem is that until Chan and the Ebola response (itself partly a response to the SARS situation) the WHOs role was primarily to allocate the massive UN health charity funding, and sometimes circulate banal and uncontroversial public health information. They have attempted to become something else, a 'leader in the fight against disease' and some governments seem to be so dazzled by their name and claimed role that they presume a level of competency the WHO just doesn't have (to a degree which I think has surprised people at the WHO themselves).

[Anonymous No.11899738]

>>11899727
>This changed to
1)who said what to do
2)you don't believe it & get assraped
3)you are the idiot, not who

good riddance

[Anonymous No.11899742]

>>11899727
>This changed to
1)who said what to do
2)you don't believe it & get assraped
3)you are the idiot, not who

good riddance

[Anonymous No.11899750]

>>11899731
>some governments seem to be so dazzled by their name and claimed role that they presume a level of competency the WHO just doesn't have (to a degree which I think has surprised people at the WHO themselves).
That's a good point the WHO itself is actually a relatively small organisation and has a wide area of coverage so even compared to large private healthcare businesses they're not that well staffed.

[Anonymous No.11899753]

wearing a mask seems to be more about controlling and idea than it does controlling a virus, which makes it even more important imo.

[Anonymous No.11899765]

>>11899742
I'm not saying people shouldn't wear masks, stop being so autistic.

[Anonymous No.11899820]

>>11898325
Sorry bud, but CDC and Fauci said no.

[Anonymous No.11899822]

>>11898339
Brotha, you seriously get your news from hot take tweets and memes xD

[Anonymous No.11899824]

>>11898357
I don't get it...

[Anonymous No.11899825]

>>11898377
>Cases
Nigga

[Anonymous No.11899826]

>>11898325
>The science is settled
prove it

[Anonymous No.11899843]

>>11899826
It's cruelly being proved daily

[Anonymous No.11899899]

>>11898451
Cases in New York are going up but deaths aren't and the two week peropd has passed. Not every old person in New York died to this thing. Due to the protests a lot more people than we probably assume have had to have gotten this thing as well so if it was that deadly why aren't people in New York dying right now?

[Anonymous No.11899907]

>>11899899

[Anonymous No.11899968]

>>11899899
>Due to the protests a lot more people than we probably assume have had to have gotten this thing

Actually we know that there weren't too many outbreaks as a result of the protests (the common factor between all of them is pretty much everyone wore their damn masks). Hell, New York provided testing for anyone who wanted it who attended one of the protests

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408

[Anonymous No.11899996]

Masks do work, but there are people who overestimate its filtering capabilities, thinking they would be invincible to the virus just by wearing them. Some brands of surgical masks suck, especially the ones that leave larger open spaces on the side. N95 and N99 are the only respirators that make you almost "invincible" if worn correctly.

[Anonymous No.11900012]

>>11898262
>So we all agree masks work right?
Pretty much.
>What is the science on mask wearing for preventing outbreaks?
The virus mainly spreads via infectious droplets.
A mask catches a lot of these droplets.
Less droplets make it less likely to infect other people.
If each infected person infects less than one person on average, the total number of cases drops.
>Why are so many people against science for one of the most obvious and simpliest concepts?
Some people think that the mask is supposed to protect you from others, wich anything lower than N95 or FFP2 don't realy do much.
Some people think its some tinfoil conspiracy.
Some people are egoistic and just don't like wearing one.

After all, wearing a mask in public places is the least intrusive and most effective measure.
People can still go to work, buy what they need in stores and you may not need a total lockdown every month.
Social distancing and masks are not only effective but also efficient.

[Anonymous No.11900016]

>>11899996
>N95 and N99
they protect you, but not the ones next to you.
N95 and N99 use a valve, closes during inhales but opens during exhales

[Anonymous No.11900017]

Medical Mask Wearers = Cuckolds & Simps

No Maskers = Bulls & Pimps!

[Anonymous No.11900031]

>>11900016
Not all N95 masks have a valve though

[Anonymous No.11900058]

>>11898458
Then the only real solution is nipping the bud by ending America's partying culture. Even before this pandemic started, partying already caused swathes of problems to the society: e.g. drunk driving, homicides, assaults, rapes, etc.

[Anonymous No.11900070]

>>11900058
>only real solution
new voting culture

[Anonymous No.11900091]

>>11900070
>new voting culture
Robert A. Heinlein was right about that...

[Anonymous No.11900228]

>>11900091
I'd join the Mobile Infantry

[Anonymous No.11900242]

>>11900228
They are the elite, I'm not sure if you'd even qualify or survive the training, much less make it through it.
You are more likely to end up in the navy or testing experimental survival equipment on Pluto.
But the terran federation can't deny your right to earn souvereign fanchise unless a board of psychiatrists states that you are unable to understand the oath....

[Anonymous No.11900253]

>>11900242
Perhaps. I do have a PhD after all, so maybe the MI isn't for me.

[Anonymous No.11900270]

>>11900253
Having or not having a PhD says little about your qualification for the MI, low intelligence however would disqualify you from the beginning.
The MI is an elite group, the cost of training one MI alone requires the federation to select out the very best before even making it to the first practice drop.
In the end it isn't up to you where you get placed, you can make a suggestion at best and they chose to ignore it.

[Anonymous No.11900315]

>>11899843
>Those tiny numbers.

Bruh that growth rate is exaggerated as fuck. It's going to tail off real fucking soon. A slight amount of people died who most likely were going to die soon from any other cause of death. Who the fuck cares. Get a real job.

[Anonymous No.11900342]

>>11900270
You take Heinlein pretty seriously, don't you?

[Anonymous No.11900463]

>>11899968
>the common factor between all of them is pretty much everyone wore their damn masks
Mask around your neck or with your nose exposed don't work. Same for homemade cloth masks. Look at the riot photos. Lots of people without masks, lots of masks on wrong, very few N95 or better masks, it's all dress up with no actual value.

[Anonymous No.11900492]

>>11900315
You wouldn't think it was tiny if it was your parents.

[Anonymous No.11900498]

>>11899825
132,979 deaths

[Anonymous No.11900516]

>>11900315
ok mr death panel

[Anonymous No.11900524]

>>11900463
>or with your nose exposed don't work
>implying these aren't mouthbreathers

>Same for homemade cloth masks.
They can work about as well as surgical masks. They weren't a big thing before because throwing masks away immediately was feasible until everyone in every country wanted to do it.

[Anonymous No.11900608]

>>11900492
Yes, yes I would.

It would be tragic, and there would be grief, but that's life, and it would be foolish to let those emotions blind an overall perspective.

It's not my fault people can't process normal aspects of life.

Hell, it's possible that this virus was a laboratory creation for research purposes which would be ironic considering all these bullshit emotion-driven preventive measures are causing a number of problems. But that's speculation.

[Anonymous No.11900618]

>>11900608
motherfucker

[Anonymous No.11900634]

>>11900618
Say what you will, but I contribute little to the spread of viruses or diseases in general.

[Anonymous No.11900636]

>>11900463
>Look at the riot photos.

I don't give a shit about some retards stealing shit, I'm talking about the day protests which had significantly greater numbers of people in close proximity to each other over a long period of time. Data shows there were not any large outbreaks as a result of them happening

[Anonymous No.11900648]

>>11900636
>Data shows there were not any large outbreaks as a result of them happening

How is this even measured? There are instances of protestors not reporting that they were protesting when being tested.

[Anonymous No.11900649]

>>11900315
>>Those tiny numbers.
>He says as multiple hospitals in these flare-up states are actually running out of ICU room (again)
Oh boy you don't want to see how bad shit hits the fan when our laughable health system is stretched to its limits. Also, given the high positivity rates and constant new cases in these states I don't have a feeling that this is going to let up in the next couple weeks. Remember it takes time for people to get sick enough to require medical intervention

[Anonymous No.11900656]

>>11900649
Only time will tell.

And it's already been months.

[Anonymous No.11900660]

>>11900315
We haven't even begun to see the end of it yet.

[Anonymous No.11900662]

>>11900649
This. ICU's are running at close to 100% capacity in several cities, to the point that medical personnel is being flown in to assist with potential overflow. Hopefully hospitals are able to keep up with the rise in cases, but it has the potential to get very bad, very fast if hospitals exceed their limits and patients are unable to get appropriate health care.

[Anonymous No.11900666]

>>11900662
>in several cities

There's your problem. Urban shit holes.

[Anonymous No.11900675]

>>11900656
>Only time will tell.
We already are having military medical personnel being sent to overworked areas in Texas

>>11900666
>There's your problem. Urban shit holes.
Community hospitals out in the boonies are even less well prepared for this kind of shit. They've been getting screwed for years and shutting down all over the country and this will not be helping that

[Anonymous No.11900692]

>>11900315
>It's going to tail off real fucking soon
lol no
https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/?scale=linear&location=Brazil&location=Chile&location=India&location=Mexico&location=Peru&location=Russia&location=Spain&location=US

[Anonymous No.11900705]

>>11900692
https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/?scale=linear&data=deaths&location=Brazil&location=Chile&location=India&location=Mexico&location=Peru&location=Russia&location=Spain&location=US

Wow it's fucking nothing.

Also it's been a month since the cases started rising again and yet death rate STILL has not increased.

[Anonymous No.11900714]

>>11900705
>Also it's been a month since the cases started rising again and yet death rate STILL has not increased.
They increased in the last week, and hospitalizations are still rising. Capacity hasn't been exceeded, yet (and hopefully it doesn't reach that point).

[Anonymous No.11900716]

>>11900692
https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/?scale=linear&region=US

The overwhelming majority of cases are in two states.

[Anonymous No.11900728]

>>11900648
It depends on the protest. If the protest is for something conservative, the infection and death windows can be narrowed or expanded until they show an increase. If it is for something leftist, then it's the number of infections and deaths the next day. It's a tricky virus but understanding its political ideology is required before you try to set the windows for infections and deaths. Remember: the virus doesn't infect crowded protests of leftists wearing tissue paper around their necks. It understands the plight of the black man and wants a marxist revolution so the virus won't infect those people. It's the world's first woke virus!

[Anonymous No.11900734]

>>11900728
Fuck off back to the shit boards with your political garbage

[Anonymous No.11900745]

>>11900728
>If it is for something leftist, then it's the number of infections and deaths the next day.
>https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408
>Furthermore, we find no evidence that urban protests reignited COVID-19 case growth during the more than three weeks following protest onset.
>more than three weeks following protest onset.

ayy

[Anonymous No.11900815]

>>11900716
>65K
>2 largest states 21K
nope

[Anonymous No.11901014]

This is a legally compliant mask in every single jurisdiction with an order to wear masks.

[øp No.11901032]

>>11898262
immune systems work. continually vaccinating and preventing disease to run its course will weaken everyones immune system and lead to extinction. not to mention the steady decrease of immune systems while scientists panic near the end when they run out of vaccines.

this is what happens when you dont live naturally. i disinfect cuts and drink vitamin c if i get a bug but fucking covid? come on. its the flu. and even if its not its still not great enough to need a vaccine, therefore weakening the immune systems of the global population.

[Anonymous No.11901041]

>>11901032
>continually vaccinating and preventing disease to run its course will weaken everyones immune system
Evidence? The point of vaccination is to prime the immune system

[Anonymous No.11901044]

>>11901014
It makes people stay >6 feet away from her, so it's effective.

[Anonymous No.11901052]

>>11901014
There's been threads where people talked about intentionally punching holes in their masks in protest of mask policies. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this person is anti-mask and thinks she's making a statement.

[øp No.11901053]

>>11901041
what are you going to do when the viruses rise above all vaccinations? they mutate and you already knew that.

[Anonymous No.11901058]

>>11901052
>intentionally punching holes in their masks in protest of mask policies
The irony being it's still better than no mask at all.

[Anonymous No.11901071]

>>11901032
>continually vaccinating and preventing disease to run its course will weaken everyones immune system and lead to extinction.
This is what you get when a retard attempts to sound smart

[Anonymous No.11901079]

>>11901053
>what are you going to do when the viruses rise above all vaccinations?
Maybe that will happen, but where is your evidence that people will have weaker immune systems due to vaccinations when/if that time comes?

[øp No.11901084]

>>11901071
glow harder you fucking tranny pushing socially automated computer

[øp No.11901089]

>>11901079
since i have none you win the argument and youre right. immune systems get stronger the more you vaccinate them and the more hand sanitizer you use the healthier and better equipped against disease you are. your children will definately benifit from this alpha genetic code.

[Anonymous No.11901091]

>>11901084
>socially automated computer
How can I get one of these? Mine is anti-social.

[øp No.11901100]

>>11901091
i dont know either way youre a simple minded fuck. your wife is getting fucked in the ass every day you go to work.

[Anonymous No.11901102]

>>11898262
Wear the mask goy

[Anonymous No.11901114]

>>11901100
But I work from home and don't have a wife.

[øp No.11901115]

>>11901114
nice

[Anonymous No.11901120]

>>11901089
My argument is against your contention that vaccines weaken the immune system. You actually need a functioning immune system for vaccines to even work. I don't disagree with your point about hand sanitizer and cleanliness. Exposure to germs is good for our immune systems (and vaccines are not intended to prevent exposure to germs), but it's a balancing act.

[øp No.11901137]

>>11901120
how would this affect 10 generwtions right now against hiv? as it stands immune systems survive about 10 to 20 years with full blown aids and no medication. some genes are actually immune to hiv completely or so much it makes the virus undetected.

say we vaccinate every generation. what impact would this have 10 generations from now? 100? 700 generations from now?

[øp No.11901140]

>>11901137
and what would those future generations act with hiv unmedicated under the circumstances that every generation before them was vaccinated

[Anonymous No.11901154]

The masks are good for keeping out farts

[Anonymous No.11901163]

>>11901154
You want to keep in farts. Those are for you alone to enjoy!

[Anonymous No.11901172]

>>11900608
You'd really be fine with your parents dying soon to keep the economy going?

Christ not even fucks in cults hold their cultleaders on the same pedestal you hold the economy.

Which truth be told was already pretty weak and doing a predicted downturn before the coronavirus.

[øp No.11901201]

>>11901172
deqth is natural and implies life.

[Anonymous No.11901280]

>>11900662
>ICU's are running at close to 100% capacity in several cities

You can't even prove that because hospitals refuse to release bed counts.

[Anonymous No.11901319]

>>11898272
>What works is social distancing,
spray from sneezing and/or coughing goes almost 20 feet iirc. "social distancing" is part of the manipulation this pandemic is being used for.

[Anonymous No.11901328]

>>11901319
This.
They are trying to stop young white people from meeting each other and having kids.

[Anonymous No.11901336]

>>11901280
>hospitals refuse to release bed counts
...as you do when things are running smoothly
yeah right

[Anonymous No.11901396]

>>11898262
if you wear this fucking muzzle, youre a dog.
they will force your sorry ass to take their retard-shot
fuck this absolute stupid fucking shit show
fuck elon musk and fuck bill gates

[Anonymous No.11901416]

>>11901396
stop pissing in your cereal

[Anonymous No.11901422]

>>11901416
stand up for yourself peasant

[Anonymous No.11901495]

>>11901052
She is making a statement. It's funny that it eludes you.

[øp No.11901657]

>>11901137
>>11901140
so is this thread? none of you geniuses can counter this argument? do not ask me to provide evidence, that isnt an argument.

all im asking for is a reasonable counter argument if you have one.

[Anonymous No.11901661]

>>11901657
Nobody is answering you because you are a rambling brainlet. Half of your posts make no sense.

[Anonymous No.11901715]

Oooops!

[øp No.11901768]

>>11901661
how? viruses evolve against vaccines, and over time generations developed immature immune system.

if all you can do is ask for evidence and provide no argument is like a christian telling you to prove god doesnt exist and therefore god exists.

[Anonymous No.11901771]

>>11901396
>the mighty conservatives can't wear a $0.50 mask when doing groceries

[Anonymous No.11901797]

>>11901771
Wash your hands and respect people's personal space you filthy lefty.

[Anonymous No.11902017]

>>11898262
> Why are so many people against science for one of the most obvious and simpliest concepts?
The blue masks pictured are soaked in a chemical sterilant. The compound is inhaled through the nose and enters the bloodstream through nasal capillaries.

Over time, your testicles cease production of testosterone. Your testes shrink away, completely useless and devoid of sperm.

Enjoy.

[Anonymous No.11902029]

Doesn't this shit only have a significant effect if everyone wears one? I heard you're 30% safer by wearing it alone, but that's pretty meaningless to me.

[Anonymous No.11902081]

>>11898262
The N95s that hospitals begged us to donate our supplies while charging $10 for an ibuprofin do work. The cloth masks just blow your breath back into your face and make it a little harder to spread

[Anonymous No.11902086]

>>11902017
>Over time, your testicles cease production of testosterone. Your testes shrink away, completely useless and devoid of sperm.

Today I learned that all surgeons and surgical staff are sterile. Makes sense

[Anonymous No.11902088]

>>11902081
>a little harder to spread
It's a lot harder to spread given they're droplet-borne

>>11902029
Basically it provides a little bit of protection for you, but mostly it's to prevent you from potentially spreading it to other people, aka anyone that doesn't wear a mask when around other people is a huge cunt

[Anonymous No.11902117]

>>11902017
Ah, look at the antimasker when given a little bit of sunlight.

Look at how it writhes in pain, struggling to keep its breathing pace.

Watch as it emits a small cloud of lies as a last-ditch act of desperation to save itself from it's only natural predator: the truth.

[Anonymous No.11902287]

>>11901280
>You can't even prove that because hospitals refuse to release bed counts.
I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Houston even has a tool that tracks ICU bed availability. They're damn near maxed out which is why they're creating "surge" beds.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/06/16/this-dashboard-tracks-the-daily-hospital-capacity-for-general-icu-beds-in-the-houston-area/

[Anonymous No.11902293]

>>11901495
Yes, putting lives at risk for a silly statement is a worthwhile endeavor.

[Anonymous No.11902295]

>>11901768
>and over time generations developed immature immune system.
There's no evidence of vaccines causing immature immune systems, though. Unless you provide some proof that they do, there's no point in debating it.

[Anonymous No.11902371]

>>11898463

[Anonymous No.11902426]

>>11898272
Any barrier you put in front of your mouth will be at least somewhat effective at stopping droplets or aerosols. Exactly how effective it is essentially depends on the droplet or particulate size relative to the average size of the gaps in the fabric however even if the gap is too large and lets too much infected air through it still impedes some which effectively reduces your radius of transmission. It's essentially a probability density with greater probably of transmission the closer you are. Wearing a mask will obviously cut down on your radius of transmission although how much will vary between masks and whether or not you wear it properly which a lot of people don't.

A mask likely won't offer much protection if you're within the radius of transmission of someone else although since everyone's radius of transmission is smaller the odds of that happening are much less likely. While this may seem counter-intuitive (how can a mask prevent you infecting others but not have a significant effect on others infecting you) it's because a mask will greatly slow down a high velocity stream of droplets or aerosol like what would occur after a sneeze causing the infected air to settle out in a smaller area around you. However if you are standing in slow moving or stagnant infected air the when you breath the pressure differential will pull infected matter through the gaps in the mask with relative ease.

[Anonymous No.11902439]

>>11902426
I do want to add though, that assuming COVID-19 spreads more by droplet than aerosol which is what was initially reported, although there is some active debate on the matter still, then the droplets will settle out of the air and on to surfaces fairly quickly and therefore masks will be very effective in stopping the spread. So long as people also practice good hand washing and hand sanitizing as well that can really curve the spread hard. If COVID is transmitted more by aerosol (finer droplets) it can hang in stagnant air and infect those who breath it in. That would make masks somewhat less effective but still better than using nothing.

[Anonymous No.11902448]

>>11902439
>So long as people also practice good hand washing and hand sanitizing as well that can really curve the spread hard.
Hand washing is no longer being pushed. It's all about masks now, regardless of construction. If this was really about public health, hand washing would still be a big part of the message. Problem is, you can't show off to the world that you washed your hands so it's fallen out of fashion quickly.

[Anonymous No.11902456]

>>11902439
They story is already changing from droplets to aerosol. This likely is a prelude to using it as justification for another severe at home lockdown. If it's an aerosol, then masks aren't as effective and all indoor common spaces are compromised. That's the excuse they'll use to lock everyone up under house arrest again.

[Anonymous No.11902502]

>>11902456
Literally nobody in the US was ever locked up under house arrest at any point during the pandemic. Even at it's peak in states were stricter lockdowns were imposed and all non-essential businesses were closed people were quite free to leave their home at any time.

If you're worried about voting, don't. Most states are putting in place mail voting systems and even if you don't do that public polling places will probably be open anyway with some significant precautions taken.

Outside of that there's literally no motive to locking everyone up. Nobody benefits from it. It's just a baseless conspiracy theory.

[Anonymous No.11902514]

>>11902448
Why does handwashing and hand sanitizing need to be "pushed?" It's common knowledge that it is effective at killing viruses and bacteria. People fundamentally understand this and there is zero pushback against the idea. Also too it's still in virtually all public health guidelines issued by any organization that you should wash your hands and hand sanitize frequently. It hasn't gone away.
The reason for so much focus on masks is because there's so much pushback against masks for plainly stupid reasons. It should also be intuitive that they work, but apparently it's not. Hand washing would almost certainly get the same treatment if people protested in the streets that being told to wash their hands was a violation of their rights or other equally stupid bullshit.

[Anonymous No.11902522]

>>11902448
Hand washing has fallen out of the news because the lack of masks is an obvious problem. It is still absolutely and frequently recommended but is not as hyped because of the more obvious problem.

If people were pissing in the streets, the fact that we were calling them out on it doesnt mean we don't think they should also wipe their asses after a shit, it just means that we see them pissing in the street and want them to stop.

[Anonymous No.11902617]

It's really amazing how Americans are wiping themselves off with the worst results in the world fighting off COVID-19 and you still get people here who are against wearing masks and defending the lack of action. Baffling. Then again it's not my country, do what you will burgers.

[Anonymous No.11902620]

>>11898339
>picrel
kek

[Anonymous No.11902796]

>>11898463
And the part where he was called racist for not letting the bees in.

[Anonymous No.11902798]

>>11898272
If anything they do the opposite. People think they can do whatever as long as they've got a mask on

[Anonymous No.11902804]

>>11899500
Disingenuous cunt.

Politicians and experts said masks are "useless".
Now they say you must wear one.

Fuck off

[Anonymous No.11902818]

>>11902088
It really is not enough anon.

[Anonymous No.11902835]

>>11899636
Anon the Who doesn't ahve any power. It ltierlaly has to work wit the good will of th nations to be able to do actual work. If super Ebola was in say Albania and the Albania government was like

>No Who no!

WHO can't do shit. Especially since it's funding is based upon the aid and charity of the nations who fund it which is getting lower by the year

[Anonymous No.11902837]

>>11899424
Because doctors still get infected while wearing PPE. Mask can reduce the spread but when every other factor pretty much nullifies it then it's like what do you do? I got it and I was basically near masked people for most of my time barring being at home and the only reason why my family didn't get it was because I was holed up in my room.

[Anonymous No.11902838]

>they don't work!
They keep your germs to yourself and so far we have seen evidence that it is spread via water droplets. You are significantly less likely to spread the disease if that's the case, provided you are infected or asymptomatic.

[Anonymous No.11902867]

>>11899066
Yes.

[Anonymous No.11902885]

>>11902804
>said masks are "useless"
since the cheap mask only work on the sick, it can help a population if 100% use them.
During the initial statements there wasn't even enough masks for the ICU personnel

[Anonymous No.11903008]

>>11902885
Not the point. They literally said masks were "useless and pointless".

How can you trust a liar? Why would you want to? Are you dumb?

[Anonymous No.11903016]

>>11903008
to give 3 masks to 1 million people is useless and pointless

[Anonymous No.11903082]

>>11903016
Stop being a simp and defending them.

[Anonymous No.11903121]

Dying in COVID is such an american thing.

[Anonymous No.11903127]

who gives a le fuq, either you die or you don't why worry

[Anonymous No.11903162]

>>11903082
start using your brain

[Anonymous No.11903163]

>>11903121
At least I have muh freedom and tasty burgers amirite?

[Anonymous No.11903196]

>>11902502
If you're going to gaslight, try waiting a few more months for people's memories to fade. This is just embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.11903212]

>>11898325
>That's because they were on lockdown longer
No, it's because they managed to track down the few people who brought in the virus.

Why don't they do a "lockdown" for HIV if it works so much?

[Anonymous No.11903313]

>>11903212
>Why don't they do a "lockdown" for HIV if it works so much?
There is a significant difference in how long a person with COVID-19 is infectious and how long a person with HIV is infectious.
We're talking weeks vs. lifetime.
In addition to that HIV isn't all that infectious, you need to have blood contact or sex to transmit it.
And you don't need a lockdown to controll that, just don't have unprotected sex with changing partners and get your partner tested.
You won't get HIV if a person with it cought next to you.
Meanwhile COVID-19 is far more infectious, it spreads via droplets and smeared secretes.
You don't need to have sex with an infected person, a coworker coughing next to you might be enough to infect you.
So a lockdown isn't realy effective against HIV because the people will still be infected after a lockdown and the spread can be reduced to near zero by practicing safer sex.
But it is effective against highly infectious respiratory viruses that infect people only for a few weeks but spread quickly.

HIV could be almost entirely eliminates in civilized countries if mass-tests where a thing.
Maybe tattoo a symbol near the genitals of infected people to make sure their potential partnerd know.

[Anonymous No.11903449]

>>11903212
>Why don't they do a "lockdown" for HIV if it works so much?

This might be the dumbest post in the thread

[Anonymous No.11903679]

>>11903212
>Why don't they do a "lockdown" for HIV if it works so much?
High IQ post

[Anonymous No.11904309]

>>11898410
You heard him right.

[Anonymous No.11904317]

>>11898486
Lucky goddamn Hawaiians

[Anonymous No.11904329]

>>11902617
herd immunity

[Anonymous No.11904336]

>>11898486
>North east with earliest spike

Is it unfair to assume it came to the US from Europe and is now spreading to the West? Similarly, it appears the virus is spreading from Western to Eastern Europe.

[Anonymous No.11904498]

>>11899596
I love how they made up the numbers.

[Anonymous No.11904521]

>>11904336
NYC served as a huge production factory for the virus, which they then spread around as urbanites started fleeing the city, brining their contagion to rural areas that previously didn't have a problem with it.

[Anonymous No.11904574]

>>11904336
>Is it unfair to assume it came to the US from Europe and is now spreading to the West?

We know most of the major outbreaks in the Northeast came from European countries

[Anonymous No.11904825]

>>11904329
why doesnt europe have the most cases if the solution is to wear masks and stay inside?

[Anonymous No.11904838]

How'd that mask mandate work out for you, California?

[Anonymous No.11905329]

>>11904838

Nobody listened to it anyways going by the shit I've been of videos out there

[Anonymous No.11906077]

>>11898262
>Why are so many people against science
I am against this vocabulary.
It makes more sense to just have a scientific METHOD & different philosophy DISCIPLINES.
Otherwise it gets beyond retarded sometimes.
>Science this
>Science that
>Doing science
>Believing in science
>so on and so forth
Fuck all that.

[Anonymous No.11906086]

>>11898351
>not overwhelm hospitals
If they told people with mild symptoms to fuck off home instead of clogging hospitals it wouldn't be that bad. Imagine if every single person with a fucking seasonal flue got admitted.
What a shitty year.

[Anonymous No.11906166]

>>11898262
So we all agree masks theater only works in the summer since everyone can plainly see how many water droplets penetrate masks with winter breath, right?

[Anonymous No.11906174]

>>11903212
>Why don't they do a "lockdown" for HIV if it works so much?
If you think about it, condoms are like lockdowns for penises.

[Anonymous No.11906179]

>>11903196
Post arrest rates for lockdown violations.

[Anonymous No.11907025]

>>11902439
There's the example of the hair salon where several of the workers were infected. The also infected several people close to them, but didn't infect any of their customers (who also wore masks). Whatever the means of transmission, masks seem to be very effective.

[Anonymous No.11907030]

>>11902837
Masks are absolutely not a 100% guarantee, I don't think anyone is claiming that, but they seem to reduce odds of infection by a substantial amount.

[Anonymous No.11907525]

>>11898262
Repeat with me, anon:
Reduced Spread Radius

[Anonymous No.11907539]

>>11898262
>What is the science on mask
They work as membrane, particles bigger than O2 , CO2 etc molecules (organisms) cant pass it .

[Anonymous No.11908286]

>>11899031
>protests in large cities across the country, everyone wore masks
That is objectively false

[Anonymous No.11908437]

Why is this mask legal? Does this stop the virus?

[Anonymous No.11908514]

>>11900342
You don't?

[Anonymous No.11908517]

>>11906174
But you can't go to jail for not wearing one

[Anonymous No.11908522]

>>11907539
bull fucking shit