/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11895291]

How do I convince my parents the Moon Landings weren't faked?

[Anonymous No.11895297]

>>11895291
Tell them the moon doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.11895433]

>>11895291
The dust kicked up in the lunar landing footage doesn't fall at the same rate as the dust kicked up on Earth.

[Anonymous No.11895444]

>>11895291
Suck your dad's dick
Eat your mom's pussy

[Anonymous No.11895461]

>>11895291
if they don't believe the science, put it into political terms: if moon landings were faked, the ussr would have made damn sure that we were being frauds to the world.

[Anonymous No.11895492]

>>11895291
Tell them that NASA left mirrors on the Moon that anyone with a laser powerful enough can ping from Earth and use to calculate the Moon's current distance to us.

Astronomers do this regularly. Every single astronomer in the world would have to be in on the conspiracy.

[Anonymous No.11895518]

>>11895492
your full of shit. the angle has to be just perfect to allow for it to bounce back and even come close to your current position that you used the laser

that means that any mirrors left would only work for a specific observatory at a specific time each day and even being a minute to early or late would mean you cant ping shit with a laser and it would come back miles away

[Anonymous No.11895570]

>>11895518
They've been there for decades.
Astronomers all over the world have used them.

[Anonymous No.11895575]

>>11895518
If you schedule a visit to an observatory you can literally see this shit happen.

>>11895291
Tell them that the Russians have sent probes to the moon too and ask why the Russians would cover for the Americans it’s the height of the Cold War?

[Anonymous No.11895584]

>>11895518
You've got to be kidding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroreflector

They're so cheap and easy to make we put them on bicycles. Here's the ones on the moon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_retroreflectors_on_the_Moon

[Anonymous No.11895587]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6MOnehCOUw

[Anonymous No.11895617]

>>11895492
>>11895575
I tried telling my mom that. She said that the Russians didn't call our bluff because they too have also lied about their space exploits and that we would have exposed their fake space shit if they tried to expose ours.

[Anonymous No.11895682]

>>11895461
imagine thinking people who watched it happen on live television in 1969 would believe Communists telling them it was fake. it's about as likely as you believing someone on /x/ today

[Anonymous No.11895683]

>>11895291
Take them to the moon?

[Anonymous No.11895756]

>>11895682
/x/ is legit, but it's on 4chan so it's wrong and retarded for the buy-in

[Anonymous No.11895764]

>>11895291
But moon hasn't landed anywhere.... :X

[Anonymous No.11895770]

One thing that can't be denied is that the rocket did actually launch in front of people. These rockets have physical blueprints that can be accessed too. At that point, why the fuck would the US just launch a whole ass rocket into space in front of a crowd just to circle around and fake the landing? Designing and building a rocket that can send people to the moon is a lot of work and expensive. This wasn't like building a lego death star or some shit, there was actual effort that when into this proven by these blueprints. After all that work, it's -more- worth it to go to the moon then fake it.

[Anonymous No.11895793]

>>11895770
I think that launch wasn't faked at all maybe even that they where close to moon but that footage from landing look suspicious as fuck. Anyways it doesn't matter they got there beat the Russians in space flight and its over.

[Anonymous No.11895864]

>>11895518
Lasers diverge anon.

[Anonymous No.11895885]

311 Townsend St
San Francisco, CA 94107
United States

[Anonymous No.11895896]

>>11895518
retroreflectors, son

[Anonymous No.11896006]

Why does it matter to you that they think it was faked? Do they bring it up around other people and embarrass you? If not, let them have their goofy fantasy. Even if you debunk all of their reasons for thinking it is fake, a few weeks later they will forget everything you've told them.
Every hoaxer I've met goes on and on about the Van Allen Belt but can't explain any of the math. If you show them the math, they'll say the math is fake ("I know it's more radiation than that!") or something equally stupid. Even if they agree the math is correct, next time the subject comes up, they'll revert back to their old arguments.
Most hoaxers I've met have something in their past that makes them feel intellectually inferior and this is a way for them to feel smarter than everyone else. A large percentage of the ones I've met are of above average intelligence but have a GED because they were lazy and unmotivated in school. This expands out to the rest of their lives.
Then there are the mouth breathers who believe all kinds of crap. If they annoy you too much, you can always join a MLM scheme and get them as part of your downstream. They're the type that loves MLM scams because they truly believe it will make them rich.
The best you can expect from your parents is for them to agree to not bring up the subject when you're around. You should do the same for them.

[Anonymous No.11896045]

>>11895793
>beat the Russians in space flight
pfft

[Anonymous No.11896049]

moon landing conspiracies have existed since the 70s
there are now adults alive who weren't born on 9/11
i wonder how long it will be before someone claims that never actually happened either

[Anonymous No.11896189]

>>11895291
>I believe the lunar landings were fake
>yet I believe that an internet network of computers communicate all the billions in the planet instantaneously is real
>also I believe everyone cares about my disfunctional family and retarded beliefs

[Anonymous No.11896200]

>>11895793
>but that footage from landing look suspicious as fuck.
Only because you've been conditioned to think that from hearing thousands of idiotic and/or insane conspiracy theorists try to point out "inconsistencies" or whatever. It looks completely normal, because it is normal and real.

I could take a real event and pose dozens of "questions" about it and make you think it looks "suspicious" just because I primed you to think it. It's all psychological.

[Anonymous No.11896209]

>>11895291
Get a job, loser. Caring about such irrelevant nonsense is a sign of immaturity and low intelligence. I don't give a fuck what the shape of earth is, whether or not we landed on the moon, how old the earth is, all that shit is completely irrelevant to my life. Focus on what matters.

[Anonymous No.11896213]

>>11895793
>but that footage from landing look suspicious as fuck
no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lau_j6mFBo

[Anonymous No.11896214]

>>11895291
the landings were real
but the moon was faked

[Anonymous No.11896220]

>that footage looks suspicious as fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTQ-SmeLTl8

[Anonymous No.11896222]

>suspicious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggrctQg4I_c

[Anonymous No.11896229]

>it looks so fake, anon!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WAWY-DktT0

[Anonymous No.11896230]

>>11895617
you mom is no dummy
that's a 5D chess move right there

[Anonymous No.11896240]

>>11896214
>deluded man that he
fuck people who use "man" to mean human and then proceed to refer to it in singular.

[Anonymous No.11896247]

>n-no it's fake!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV0XDnhLde8

[Anonymous No.11896256]

>well at least most of it is fake!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXjh7heyAmU

[Anonymous No.11896259]

[Anonymous No.11896263]

[Anonymous No.11896272]

[Anonymous No.11896295]

Of course is fake, stop deluding yourself with Nazi/Freemasonic/Walt Disney crap, are you past 18 or do you still live in Fantasyland?

Are you seriously so cucked by fake science? Your parents are right, get a life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1D65NMBfmo

[Anonymous No.11896303]

Document yourself on Jack Parsons and the Agape Lodge kid, are you also a transgender?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcOHiGonWwU

[Anonymous No.11896307]

>>11895291
Kill them. In heaven they will know the truth.

[Anonymous No.11896322]

>they will know the truth

[Anonymous No.11896325]

[Anonymous No.11896479]

>>11896213
god that footage is gorgeous. humans can do amazing things when we aren't busy fucking everything up.

[Anonymous No.11896499]

You people have to be really deluded to believe this.

It's a mannequin over a matte painting background you dummies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cKpzp358F4

[Anonymous No.11896504]

Bunch of tards

[Anonymous No.11896505]

You are seriously deluded

[Anonymous No.11896866]

Moon landing It's a hoax bro, your parents are right.

Grow up.

[Anonymous No.11897096]

>>11896213
i prefer the version that has the original audio
https://youtu.be/T2VXyfvZxSU

[El Arcón No.11897100]

>>11895291
>How do I convince my parents the Moon Landings weren't faked?
For that, for the first moon landing certainly, the key thing you'll need to do is get them to believe a lie.

[Anonymous No.11897101]

So many cucks ITT

Anyone with a functioning brain can see that they are lying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI_ZehPOMwI&t=2912s

[Anonymous No.11897108]

>>11895291
What are the implications of it being fake?
oh nothing? interesting

[Anonymous No.11897138]

Why are you trying to convince your smart parents of masonic crap?

[eedm No.11897174]

calculate the volume of liquid fuel , (which is what they had in those days) and the amount of fuel needed to escape the magnetic attraction (gravity) of the moon , then factor the size of the fuel tank and overall weight of fuel and tank, then compare it with the size of the lander,
best bit about it the masons actually believe it landed

[Anonymous No.11897197]

>>11895291
go to the moon and send them pictures

[Anonymous No.11897302]

True, low level masons all believe the moon landing narrative!

Buzzed Aldrin is their hero

[Anonymous No.11897311]

>>11895518
This is your brain on /x/.

[Anonymous No.11897331]

>>11897311
You're a cuck, believing in the moon landing is like believing in Thor or something

[Anonymous No.11897449]

>>11896247
>>11896256
>>11896259
>>11896263
>>11896272
>>11896322
>>11896325
Stunning pics anon.
At least there was something worthwhile on this otherwise shit thread.

[eedm No.11897598]

>>11897302
yes, every mason I have ever questioned believe it because buzz was one, different for the rosecrusion members, they are more free thinkers

[Anonymous No.11897711]

>>11895297
that got a chuckle out of me

[Anonymous No.11897723]

>>11895291
Why does it matter to you? Its okay for them to be wrong about something dumb like that if they are still self sufficient and arent being taken advantage of

[Anonymous No.11897742]

Are there any pictures of the night(?) sky of moon? Would it look like a perfectly clear night sky from earth without the light pollution we experience?

[Anonymous No.11897755]

>>11896230
This desu. Anon's mom presents a very solid argument, I'm starting to doubt myself.

[Anonymous No.11898501]

>>11895682
Why wouldn't they say it to their own people though?

[Anonymous No.11899096]

with how much human civilization has stagnated, believing it was fake is safer for a lot of people's mental health.

[Anonymous No.11899118]

>>11895433
>think the landing was faked
>but slow-mo footage of dust is impossible
I don't think there's any amount of "see, this thing is realistic" that would convince someone, since it just means the fake must just be more realistic. The burden of proof is really on them to show evidence it's actually fake, but you won't win any arguments pointing that out, even if they decide to give proof, they'll have more and more of it even if you keep debunking it.

>>11898501
Maybe they're smart enough to realize it'll just make them look like sore losers when they give up on their own project (legitimate or not) because everyone else "knows" they lost the race.

[Anonymous No.11899261]

>>11895617
If we "knew" before going to the moon, why not just expose the fake shit? That would have massively embarrassed the russians and there would be no need to fake anything.
>>11895764
What are you talking about, it lands just outside of my town once a day. I guess you must just be too far away from me to see it..

[Anonymous No.11899270]

Don't bother, just cut them out of your life. If the obvious implications of your question are true (taking it all at face value), then they aren't worth having a relationship with. Yes, this one implied opinion suffices to cut two of a person's most important relatives out of his life.

[Anonymous No.11899281]

>>11899261
>If we "knew" before going to the moon, why not just expose the fake shit?
It could have been a mutual bluff and neither side knew how truthful the other was being. We all know the rockets were real, so there had to be a lot of genuine R&D being done, but it would be a classic Cold War move to make half a space program and fake the hardest parts to trick the other side into spending way too much on theirs while not letting them win.

Although IMO in that scenario you might as well go all the way and actually do the landing for real (Saturn Vs aren't exactly cheap, even with significantly smaller payloads), there's still "realistic" situations where they wouldn't be able to accurately call each other out.

[Anonymous No.11899310]

>>11895444
fucking checked

[Anonymous No.11899323]

>>11895885
?

[Anonymous No.11899363]

>>11895518
Good lord you are fucking retarded. Are you even old enough to post here?

[Anonymous No.11899388]

>>11895518
>any mirrors left would only work for a specific observatory at a specific time each day and even being a minute to early or late would mean you cant ping shit with a laser and it would come back miles away
Even ignoring that they're retroreflectors, we'd still be able to use that to demonstrate there's some reflective surface there.

[Anonymous No.11900120]

>>11895291

make them see this

https://apolloinrealtime.org/

if they believe it's fake after this, they're hopeless

[Anonymous No.11900265]

I have tried reasoning with conspiritards enough to know it never works, now I just claim a bigger conspiricy makes their impossible
>the moon landings were fake
You believe in the moon?
>the earth is flat
You believe in planets?
ect.

[Anonymous No.11900269]

>>11895291
become a billionaire
shoot them into space

[Anonymous No.11900274]

>>11900269
>implying it takes billions to get ~80kg to ~12kms
A large shaped charge would get the job done for a few thousand in materials.

[Anonymous No.11900370]

>>11895291

Why you don't stop being a deluded onions boy and start listening to your parents?

Masonic scientism fucked up so many people...

[Anonymous No.11900518]

OP, you can't do it. Those who think it is a hoax develop their entire personality around that belief. Even if you worked for a company that started sending tourists to the Moon and got them a seat on that rocket, when they came back they'd say they'd been on similar rides at Disney World. You can't convince them. At best you can try to make sure they don't mess up the brains of your children and other children in your extended family. Very few are ever able to kick their belief in it being a hoax once they go that way. Having built so much of their ego around it, proving them wrong could be psychologically damaging to them.

[Anonymous No.11900593]

>>11895461
I've said this before. If Russia knew NASA faked anything, RT news would tell the world about it every single solitary day. Russia can't shut up about the fact that the US purchases RD180 engines for the Atlas V.
Also you can see the landing sites through a telescope.

[Anonymous No.11900638]

>>11900518

We reproduce and have healthy families. You do not.

Because you are a bunch of cucks that believe in abortion, trannies and other degeneracy.

The pedo elite on TV brainwashed you to submission, making you perfect slaves living in big cities.

[Anonymous No.11900642]

>>11900593
>Also you can see the landing sites through a telescope
No you can't, there's no telescope on Earth big enough for that kind of resolution. Even the Very Large Telescope wasn't enough, and it's very large.

[OP No.11900926]

>>11900642
iirc they left retrorelectors at the site which you can detect with a laser telescope

[Anonymous No.11901026]

>>11900926

have you ever used one of these laser telescopes? or you just believe what jesuit / freemason ran universities are telling you?

[Anonymous No.11901054]

>>11900926
They did, but it's not exactly the same as "you can see the landing sites through a telescope". The Lunokhod probes show that a retroreflector is not evidence of a manned landing. Being able to see the lander bases, flags, experiments set up, moon buggies, footprints, etc, would be a case where it'd be much harder for anyone to deny there were people on the moon.

[Anonymous No.11901134]

>>11900638
>idiocracy but it's a good thing

[Anonymous No.11901197]

>>11895682
Yeah, that's why. The USSR figured nobody would believe them so they gave up on it.

[Anonymous No.11901212]

You can't prove this with facts. You have to persuade them that sometimes the government is trustworthy. It's a hard fucking sell for someone that against official statements. I suppose you should start with asking them if there's any conspiracy theories that they don't believe. It would determine if you can try or not even bother.

[Anonymous No.11901213]

>>11895518
>the angle has to be just perfect
You're talking out of your ass
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroreflector

[Anonymous No.11901286]

>>11900593

RT is mainstream media, are you stupid?

[Anonymous No.11901297]

Convince me the moon landing was fake.

[Anonymous No.11901304]

>>11901212
>You have to persuade them that sometimes the government is trustworthy.
Even then, all any of us know is "sometimes they aren't lying". Proving that doesn't prove any individual thing to be factual.

[Anonymous No.11901309]

>>11901297
The moon is made of cheese, the rocket engine would melt it, and we'd smell that from Earth.

[Anonymous No.11901337]

>>11901309
I meant it seriously though, I want to test my opinion because of how many contemporaries simply didn't believe it. Is there anything genuinely suspicious? Other than perhaps the timetables

[Anonymous No.11901405]

>>11901337
obviously you have no clue about freemasonry, Walt Disney and operation paperclip

Obviously you are a baseless tardi that never watched the actual moon videos

[Anonymous No.11901434]

>>11901337
It's hard to tell what arguments are legitimate. The most common I see are things like "NASA said we don't have the technology anymore" and "Buzz Aldrin said something that sounds like he denied it happened", although occasionally there's "it's impossible to go through the radiation belts".

[Anonymous No.11901449]

>>11901434
lol watch the actual footage, deluded tard

[Anonymous No.11901515]

>>11895291
take advantage of their gullibility, keep feeding them more and more outlandish lies until they realize they're idiots

[Anonymous No.11902242]

>>11895291
They were faked. Otherwise, why wasn't Our Lady standing on it?

[Anonymous No.11902337]

I never understood the Moon conspiracy illiterates...

Do they ACTUALLY believe that only the Apollo 11 landing was faked, or do they believe that the other FIVE manned Moon landings were also somehow faked?

I'm betting most of them are not even aware of the remaining Moon landings beyond Apollo 11....

[Anonymous No.11902344]

>>11895793
>beat the Russians in space flight

[Anonymous No.11902384]

>>11902337
The answer is yes to both. They'll believe anything their Facebook pages show them, regardless of truth or context.

[Anonymous No.11902549]

>>11897100
>>11897138
>>11897101
Why wouldn't we land on the moon? It's really not that hard in the grand scheme of things.
If anything, they probably have gone to the moon a lot more that they let on to create the ultimate nuclear deterrent that can't be countered. The Commies will think they got Uncle Sam before 15 Megatons of freedom wipe every stinking bugman city off the face of the earth.

[Anonymous No.11902673]

Your parents are smarter than you who fell for a Masonic kike lie. Kubrick filmed the whole thing in a studio. Educate yourself with alternative sources other than the MSM lugenpresse

[Anonymous No.11902756]

>>11895492
These could've been left there by an unmanned mission years later. How many were the telemetry tapes that went missing? 30000? 300000? Hard to believe that a complete warehouse of important data was just misplaced and nobody knows what's up. It's very likely that nobody has been to the moon.

[Anonymous No.11902766]

>>11895770
> rockets have physical blueprints that can be accessed too
Actually, the official narrative is that the Saturn V was designed in such a hurry that no blueprints were ever made for it. That's why they were trying to reverse engineer it last decade from museum parts. Let that sink in and realize how suspicious it sounds.

[Anonymous No.11902816]

>>11895297
seriously could've mistaken this as reddit with this shitty first comment trying to be funny

[Anonymous No.11902819]

>>11902816
You are probably having trouble making this distinction because youre mentally retarded

[Anonymous No.11902931]

"Tell a lie 1.000 times and it will become truth" J.Goebbels

It's insane how many kiddos here are deceived by masonic/jesuit lies.

[Anonymous No.11902935]

>>11902337

Space is fake, but you've been brainwashed by freemason Walt Disney and it's a hard pill to swallow.

And now go suck a trannies dick on the Von Braun Station

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZImSTxbglI&t=759s

[Anonymous No.11902944]

>>11895291
Easy:
"You guys know that the US was in a cold war with the USSR, right?"
"Yes, and?"
"You also know that the USSR recorded every funk message they could catch up with dozens of spies sitting in the US. Don't you think the USSR would make sure that every single person knows about it being fake if it was a fake?"

I never once heard a counter argument to that. It's literally impossible to refute without doing some serious brain gymnastics.

[Anonymous No.11903001]

>>11902944

unless you realise that the USSR is a freemason plot, and even the tzars were masons.

But it's too difficult to understand for brainwashed minds

[Anonymous No.11903148]

>>11895291
Look up all the popular "proofs" and memorize the reasons they're wrong. Deliver them instantly with a bored or mildly contemptuous tone.

[Anonymous No.11903161]

>>11895291
Tell them that the government admitted that we never landed on the moon and there are DEFINITELY not secret military bases under the moons surface. Hell, the moon might not even exists, scientists say.

[Anonymous No.11903168]

the only questions I really see is that some of the initial filming might be sceptical, there are much bigger issues at play than the distraction role of moon hoaxers.
What really motivated them to go to the moon and why did the regolith samples they brought back cause such panic.

[Anonymous No.11903216]

>>11902756
Most of those tapes didn't so much go missing as they were allowed to rot in poorly maintained warehouses. After the Moon landings, everyone asked "What's next?" and NASA had lots of sci-fi shit that Congress didn't want to fund. So they went in the direction of the Space Shuttle and everything was left to rot. Not much of it was all that valuable anyway. A cheap Moon probe would tell us more than was discovered from the Apollo missions. Telemetry data from the rockets would be nice for historical reasons but the scientific value is rather limited. Funny thing is that those warehouses of tape could now easily fit on a thumbdrive if they had been preserved properly.
The video from the Moon is probably the most overrated artifact of Apollo. It's such potato quality. Once again, a cheap Moon probe built today will return back much high quality images. The big thing is simply that the Moon is boring as hell. Find a way to drop off a Hilton on the Moon and maybe people will care. Until then, it's just not something worth spending much effort on.

[Anonymous No.11903231]

>>11901434
>"NASA said we don't have the technology anymore"
That one is true but a bit irrelevant. A year or two ago humanity lost the ability to make CRTs. The last winding machine used for them was sold to a company in China who scrapped it after they couldn't figure out how to make it work. The labor force that made CRTs have retired or moved on to other things. The existing stock of CRTs is all we have. Once they're gone, CRTs are gone, probably forever. None of that means CRTs were a hoax but by Moon landing hoaxer logic it does.

[Anonymous No.11903234]

Don't, just like flat earthers there's really no harm in them believing what they want. It's not a hill worth dying on anon.

[Anonymous No.11903238]

>>11897742
As I understand it the light from the earth and Sun essentially drowns out most of the stars so it's just black, but I could be wrong.

[Anonymous No.11903242]

>>11903231
surely the methods and training are preserved somewhere?

[Anonymous No.11903720]

>>11903234
>>11903234
Actually conspiracy theories such as Moon Landing Denial or Flat Earth are psyops meant to undermine trust in Western institutions and the democratic system. They are pretty harmful because they lead to a low trust society.

It's also a symptom of widespread lack of critical thinking skills among the population, anti-intellectualism, mistrust of science and lack of basic elementary school knowledge.

Many of their advocates are trolls or profiteers, but if my parents were actually Moon Landing denialists I would be worried about them like the OP is.

[Anonymous No.11903889]

>>11896295
>knowing OP still probably has a good relationship with his parents whilst you're the schizo your folks don't talk about

>Nazi/Freemasonic/Walt Disney
hahahahaha

[Anonymous No.11904132]

>>11903720
>Actually conspiracy theories such as Moon Landing Denial or Flat Earth are psyops meant to undermine trust in Western institutions and the democratic system
No, they're psyops to do literally the opposite. There are almost no legitimate flat earthers, but plenty of people who dismiss everything by associating it with flat earth.

[Anonymous No.11906033]

>>11903242
Probably not. In government, if there aren't funds specifically allocate to it, it doesn't get saved. Every agency has mandates on things it needs to do. Archiving old stuff isn't a priority.
In private industry it's more or less the same unless a case can be made for the future economic viability of a product.

[Anonymous No.11906040]

>>11895291
Tell them that the Russians, who were also in the space race, were getting signals from the moon. If the Americans were lying about having been there, they would have known it. And they would have made sure the world knew about it.

[Anonymous No.11906088]

>>11895291
Who cares it was so long ago it might as well never have happened. Talk to them about the moon landings coming this decade instead.

EVAs are very boring to watch in my opinion including the Apollo footage. I don’t blame normies for being skeptical when all they watch is the moon hopping. The launches on the otherhand you can’t not believe those.

[Anonymous No.11906100]

>>11895770
there are no blueprints for the Saturn V lmao

[Anonymous No.11906144]

>>11902816
Go back, cracker.

[Anonymous No.11906343]

>>11903720
>Many of their advocates are trolls or profiteers
they were literally propagated by the cia anon, there are documents and reports outlining as much