/sfg/ Spaceflight General - Gridfins Edition

[Anonymous No.11891353]

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[Anonymous No.11891362]

first for china btfo'd

[Anonymous No.11891369]

>old thread on page 10
>yotsuba pic

[Anonymous No.11891375]

ULA pride worldwide
spacex can eat my shorts

[Anonymous No.11891385]

>>11891365
China turning against its government would be a hell of a thing to see. Civil war in the mainland would be a treat.

[Anonymous No.11891388]

RESULTS over RHETORIC

[Anonymous No.11891390]

>>11891385
tens of millions of chinese fleeing their country for the united states and europe would not be a treat, though.

[Anonymous No.11891391]

>>11891385
Considering how much of an iron grip their government has, I doubt a civil war would happen unless the country fell on some hard economic times.

[Anonymous No.11891394]

Let's be very honest again. We don't have a commercially available heavy lift vehicle. Falcon 9 Heavy may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. SLS is real. You've seen it down at Michoud. We're building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at Stennis... I don't see any hardware for a Falcon 9 Heavy, except that he's going to take three Falcon 9s and put them together and that becomes the Heavy. It's not that easy in rocketry.

[Anonymous No.11891398]

>>11891385
once again, china falls, billions dead. A cycle as old as history.

[Anonymous No.11891399]

>>11891385
give it another decade or two and you'll probably see it, killing off half the population in a civil war every century is an ancient and honored chinese tradition

[Anonymous No.11891408]

>>11891394
>don't see any hardware for a Falcon 9 Heavy, except that he's going to take three Falcon 9s and put them together and that becomes the Heavy. It's not that easy in rocketry.

[Anonymous No.11891412]

>>11891394
>'ready to be put on the test stand at Stennis'
>took over 6 years to get to the test stand
>has been sitting on the test stand for almost half a year
>'d-don't worry guys, it's almost ready n-newspace btfo...'

[Anonymous No.11891417]

>>11891394
Let's be very honest again. We do have a commercially available heavy lift vehicle. SLS may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. Falcon Heavy is real. You've seen it down at Hawthorne. We're building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the launch at Kennedy... I don't see any hardware for an SLS, except that he's going to take old Shuttle parts and put them together and that becomes the SLS. It's not that easy in rocketry.

[Anonymous No.11891418]

>>11891408
That quote is from 2014.

[Anonymous No.11891427]

>>11891417
kek

[Anonymous No.11891431]

>>11891353
OH NO WHAT NOW CHINABROS

[Anonymous No.11891433]

coming to a future near you

[Anonymous No.11891437]

>>11891433
Those solar panel arrays need to be 20x bigger.

[Anonymous No.11891438]

>>11891417
absolutely based

[Anonymous No.11891457]

Could you stick crew dragon on a falcon heavy and send it on a flyby of the moon?
I assume dragon doesn't have the delta-v to actually orbit (appolo service module was massive).

[Anonymous No.11891461]

>>11891457
You could launch the service module on a second Falcon Heavy.

[Anonymous No.11891480]

>>11891353
Say it with me: FUCK SLS! Why might you ask? Well the europa clipper is now having trouble with some instruments, which is expected because making sensitive scientific instruments that can operate while being bathed in deathly radiation is hard. The issue is that Congress STILL wants Europa Clipper to launch to SLS. So there are a bunch of costs associated with making Europa Clipper able to launch on SLS or a much more affordable rocket. The SLS mandate might end eating some of the instruments on Europa Clipper. FUCK SLS!
https://spacenews.com/cost-growth-prompts-changes-to-europa-clipper-instruments/

[Anonymous No.11891482]

>>11891457
Yeah that was the original plan for the two lunar tourists who wanted to go around the Moon. They changed it cause starship will be way better

[Anonymous No.11891483]

>>11891480
>when your disgustingly wasteful pork barrel spending ends up destroying the only thing your agency is actually good at
based

[Anonymous No.11891500]

>>11891480
Not only is it a money pit, but it’s actually cannibalizing other missions. Is this Boeing’s final form?

[Anonymous No.11891517]

>>11891385
Meanwhile the mongrelized shithole of thenUSA is super solid and stable
Ignore the annual rioting in every city and highest prison population in the world

[Anonymous No.11891521]

>>11891517
Is this some sort of pathetic cope?

[Anonymous No.11891523]

>>11891412
>test stand is literally just testing 60 year old rocket engine designs

[Anonymous No.11891526]

>>11891517
How did your launch today go, Chang?

[Anonymous No.11891528]

>>11891517
Xi, as a world leader you should stop posting on 4chan

[Anonymous No.11891529]

>>11891521
>muh gdp per capita

[Anonymous No.11891530]

>>11891517
Rioting is pretty status quo as far as it goes here, especially for an election year

Mass riots and pushing the frontier of space, I can’t think of a more American setup

[Anonymous No.11891551]

>>11891529
lol @ this seething chink
Since you brought up GDP per capita yourself I was curious and looked it up... lmao, China is painted the same color as Mexico... kys chink

[Anonymous No.11891558]

>>11891433
based and checked for Moonbase Aeiou

[Anonymous No.11891565]

>>11891457
>>11891482
They could literally do it tomorrow and I don't understand why they haven't

The world would be a better place if we had another Apollo 8 (provided the crew was white or Nippon)

[Anonymous No.11891569]

>>11891565
SpaceX has no incentive to do so other than to show off. Plus, it would step on the toes of alot of people in the government who think that SpaceX should stick to LEO only. Better to wait until Starship is operational before looking too forward in BEO.

[Anonymous No.11891574]

>>11891433
Shouldn't this be deeper underground?

[Anonymous No.11891576]

>>11891558
soon, brother
>>11891574
idk probably

[Anonymous No.11891581]

>>11891576
I have a dream...

[Anonymous No.11891584]

>>11891581
I too have a dream

[Anonymous No.11891585]

>>11891581
Someone post it please

[Anonymous No.11891610]

>>11891565
I think it was a smart move to just abandon the idea. Yes they COULD do it, but think about all the resources it would take to prepare a Dragon for deep space, set up the logistics for a mission control (without NASA), get FAA clearance for a very specific launch, etc., when they’re already splitting focus between starship and falcon 9. It would pull resources away from Starship development (which SpaceX is preparing to go all-in for).

[Anonymous No.11891617]

>>11891517
>highest prison population in the world
N

[Anonymous No.11891619]

>>11891517
>highest prison population
We actually keep our prisoners alive, chang.

[Anonymous No.11891623]

>>11891394
i just don't understand this reusable copypasta meme

[Anonymous No.11891652]

>>11891617
I

[Anonymous No.11891655]

CHYNA

[Anonymous No.11891719]

>>11891655
Makes no secret of its intentions to be the dominant military and economic power of the 21st century, with aspirations of conquest and territorial expansion.

[Anonymous No.11891720]

What is the fastest we can accelerate something to using today's tech?

[Anonymous No.11891724]

>>11891719
they'll have to try a bit fucking harder then

[Anonymous No.11891735]

>>11891720
probably .2c as long as that "something" is a postage stamp

[Anonymous No.11891737]

>>11891720
I can use my flashlight to get photons to the speed of light, and particle accelerators get matter like 99% of the way there. I assume you’re talking about spacecrafts though. Something like a tiny tiny cubesat with laser propulsion system could reach 0.15 - 0.2 c and make it to the nearest star in twenty to thirty years. As for larger human spacecrafts we won’t be getting that kind of speed anytime soon unless someone comes up with a new propulsion system

[Anonymous No.11891739]

>>11891724
>they'll have to try a bit fucking harder then
Who do you think is sponsoring all of these people who want to undermine and overthrow the existing American power structures and its institutions?

[Anonymous No.11891743]

>>11891720
depends how much you wanna spend

[Anonymous No.11891744]

>>11891739
hopefully it's just a phase and some other cultural talking point will overtake the id politics of the last decade. although it does seem self fulfilling at this point. millions of graduates in humanities need work so invent grievance to keep their activist payroll going, ironically engaging in their own dirty form of capitalism.

[Anonymous No.11891749]

>>11891744
If we literally launched humans to Mars tonight to start a colony, of ALL skin colors... white black native american etc., would liberals still demand that colored Mars colonists are at a “disadvantage?”. I say we should turn it around on them. Liberals don’t like human spaceflight so a lot of normal people should go to Mars and build all the infrastructure. Once liberals decide they want to go we should tell them they are invading our land

[Anonymous No.11891754]

>>11891749
Are you fucking serious? There's an entire damn rest of the planet full of its own indiginous peoples that have either booted, bred out, or genocided all of the other ethnicities already, and they have no problem at all entertaining the cognitive notion that Increasing Diversity is something that only the White Man must do.

[Anonymous No.11891761]

Anyone else thinking of going into Space policy? Seems like a great way to do something with space that isn't engineering.

[Anonymous No.11891763]

>>11891761
hold up while i mention the apex of badass space jobs
SPACE
GEOLOGIST
>yea i look at rocks on new planets, what of it?

[Anonymous No.11891808]

>>11891749
“Liberals” would burn down the White House before they let any white man colonize anything. The only thing that would be acceptable would be a wholly non-white crew.

[Anonymous No.11891812]

>>11891353
When is Elon going to pay Russia royalties for his STOLEN grid fin technology?

[Anonymous No.11891819]

>>11891763
Geologists are going to be boozing it up all over the solar system by the end of this century. I really really fucking hope Elon starts hiring geologists soon, I would love to train people to study rocks on Mars and one day get there myself

[Anonymous No.11891820]

>>11891610
What exactly needs to be done to Dragon to prep it for deep space?

[Anonymous No.11891822]

>>11891820
install anime storage

[Anonymous No.11891826]

>>11891820
Probably more shielding, which will increase weight. But it’s a mute point. Elon cancelled the Dragon mission to the Moon and doesn’t want them to go to Mars anymore (at this point Dragon solely exists to fulfill the human crew contract with NASA) after Dragon comes Starship, which will replace everything else spacex makes

[Anonymous No.11891827]

>>11891819
i'd be shocked if geos weren't some of the first specialist groups on mars beyond the first "look we've got here" flag planting landings.

[Anonymous No.11891833]

>>11891739
Domestically? Russia, it's straight out of their playbook (Crimea, Montenegro, Latvia, etc)
But I agree that Russia is, militarily, a sideshow. China will be our contender for the foreseeable future.

[Anonymous No.11891840]

>>11891826
For Spacex-run missions, sure. If the government went to them though and said "hey we'll give you guys four billion dollars to rehash Apollo 8 so Artemis doesn't get canceled by the next administration," Elon would probably say jump on it.

[Anonymous No.11891860]

>>11891569
why do people think spacex should stay in LEO only?

[Anonymous No.11891861]

>>11891833
Its not Russian. The structure of the agitation is Maoist Cultural Revolution to a T, but the Russian corruption of institutions in the United States goes all the way back to the Marxist roots of the 1920s and 1930s, and its long overdue that they be scoured from academia, permanently.

[Anonymous No.11891864]

>>11891860
Because if Spacex proves that deep-space operations can be done with the same degree of affordability and speed as the rest of their operations, it becomes impossible for Congress to justify shoveling money at oldspace.

[Anonymous No.11891869]

>>11891860
power. if random private corps can go off and start colonising the solar system and nations are left at least a decade behind they view it as a massive threat.

[Anonymous No.11891870]

>>11891860
There was a belief that LEO was "given" to commercial space flight so that the government can focus on BEO in the same way you might give your toilet brushing chore to someone you're not fond of so you can do other things that you like more. Also there's the fact that commercialized BEO would be a threat to SLS.

[Anonymous No.11891872]

>>11891869
>>11891870
>>11891864
so these faggots in charge of deep space travel actually dont care about space colonization, who would of thought

[Anonymous No.11891874]

>>11891861
Whatever you say, Ivan.

[Anonymous No.11891878]

>>11891869
bear in mind the still ongoing national dickwaving claims over the antarctic, now imagine that throughout the solar system, and then some autist and his toy rockets beating you to it all by decades and you lacking any political will to catch up.

[Anonymous No.11891879]

>>11891874
he's right you know, russia is agitating for right wing separatist groups (like independent texas) while china is pushing leftist social values

[Anonymous No.11891881]

>>11891872
Of course not. The function of Congress is to allocate public funds to companies that give them bribes.

[Anonymous No.11891883]

>>11891872
it's easier to cockblock the likes of spacex and china than actually get out there and win.

[Anonymous No.11891884]

I’m thinking of watching a “Space Race Expanded Universe”. So far in order, I’ll watch

1) October Sky
2) The Right Stuff
3)From the Earth to the Moon until Apollo 12
4)Apollo 13
5)The Rest of From the Earth to the Moon

[Anonymous No.11891887]

>>11891879
You're being narrow minded. The Russians purposefully back both sides of domestic conflicts like these for the sole purpose of accelerating division. They aren't necessarily trying to start a civil war and topple the US, but they are certainly trying to keep our decision-makers from being able to do anything useful.
The strength of democracy is the fact that the collective will of the people drives the government. The Achilles' Heel of democracy is the very same. By backing both sides they can force leaders on the right and left to take extremist positions they wouldn't normally push for simply because they think it's what they need to do to stay in office. Like I said, do some research on Crimea, Montenegro, and the ongoing situations in Latvia and the Baltics.

[Anonymous No.11891889]

SPIRAL WELDED FLYIN GRAIN SILOS

[Anonymous No.11891891]

>>11891883
This. It is cheaper and easier to regulate space on Earth rather than in space. In fact, it is difficult to regulate space without significant investment in space-born infrastructure. This is why it was acceptable to have the bar of entry into space to be quite high as it filtered newcomers so that the ones that "make it" can be trusted. Having private spaceflight is quite the nightmare for this set up as it would drop the bar of entry to the point where Earth based regulation of space would be ineffective.

>>11891884
Add Apollo 11 to that list.

[Anonymous No.11891900]

>>11891887
Russia is hardly alone in this, and at the same time, their resources for taking action are relatively minimal. The much vaunted facebook ads were literally less than $100,000 worth of effort, while the Chinese have physical presence with hundreds of millions of dollars tied up in corporate investments with media companies, while providing huge amounts of enrollment to universities. Both of these institutions have been collectively pushing the Communist angle much harder than the Russians have resources to endorse, which is why they lean on Internet Trolling for their influence. Not to wholly discount Russia's negative intentions, but the Chinese have way more money, power, and influence working against the United States than the Russians do, and the solution is the same regardless; the Communist influence needs to be removed.

[Anonymous No.11891904]

>>11891900
Overall I disagree, but you've convinced me to do some more research into Chinese corporate influence. Good talk, fellow anon.

[Anonymous No.11891908]

>>11891900
>the Communist influence needs to be removed
ultimately what it boils down to, regardless where it comes from.

[Anonymous No.11891919]

Nasa? More like Assa.

[Anonymous No.11891926]

No anon. Your nation's recent struggles are not due to the fact that it's filled with low iq third worlders and rentseeking shysters. Your nation's struggles are caused by RUSSIANS and CHICOMS. Pay no attention to the abject refuse that occupies your largest cities.
Ignore the fact that at the time of the first moon landing that almost 90% of the US population was of European descent. It is the Russians and Chicoms who are befuddling you.

[Anonymous No.11891934]

>>11891926
All my nation's problems originate from weak, uneducated populace.

[Anonymous No.11891937]

>>11891934
You can attend higher education and come out entirely uneducated.

[Anonymous No.11891942]

>>11891937
Of course. I'm not a genius myself.
The issue is that these people have no concept of civics.

[Anonymous No.11891943]

>>11891926
>Yes, herro prease, American. Your probrems ahr not from Chinerse peopre or Russian Borshevik. You must pay no artenshun to arr the indicators of foreign meddring in your domestic affairs.
>Yes, goy! The niggers and spics are doing this of their own accord! There's no need to look elsewhere!

[Anonymous No.11891946]

>>11891926
it's both. with the former being partially to do with the latter.

[Anonymous No.11891950]

How long do you think it will be until we start seeing Falcon Super Heavy stacking?

[Anonymous No.11891968]

Could you strap two super heavies on the side of Starship and land all three stages? Or is this a retarded idea

[Anonymous No.11892051]

here's your landed booster bro

[Anonymous No.11892062]

>>11892051
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbtulv0mnlU&feature=emb_title
heres ur reusable boosters bro, just give it a quick refurb

[Anonymous No.11892071]

>>11892062
Not included: scraping out all the propellant remnants, cleaning and refurbishing everything that had saltwater exposure, and out-of-round propellant casings

[Anonymous No.11892077]

>>11892062
>>11892071
Holy shit how did they certify these things to fly again? Literally nothing is reused except the metal tube I mean even the nose cone and the engine part is thrown away.

[Anonymous No.11892082]

>>11891968
yes

[Anonymous No.11892086]

>>11891739
Israel. We don't have Senators with Chinese passports.

[Anonymous No.11892088]

>>11892077
i guess you can remelt the metal

[Anonymous No.11892097]

>>11891950
The Falcon nomenclature dies with the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy, there is no Falcon Super Heavy, only Starship (which is composed of the booster aka Super Heavy and the second stage which is also called Starship)
As far as the question goes, I’d wager it’ll happen once they start getting a couple prototypes of the second stage to reach high altitudes

[Anonymous No.11892101]

she cute

[Anonymous No.11892108]

>>11892101
Nothing against orion personally. I would have preferred if it were flying like, 10 years ago (only because it’s about to be rendered useless by starship). But let’s all keep in mind that Orion/Service Module is made by Lockheed and Airbus (two companies I still respect). It has nothing to do with Boeing. I like orion, I just hate SLS

[Anonymous No.11892109]

>>11892101
I wanna lick those tiles

[Anonymous No.11892110]

>>11892101
Orion is a great ship too bad she last fucking flew six years ago, and won’t fly people until at least 2022

[Anonymous No.11892115]

>>11892101
orion would of been great had starship not come along

[Anonymous No.11892117]

>:...
_________
-304.75Hz-
::::::::::::::::::
sLMO-/001
========
This Is Hermes Flight Control coming online, we are experiencing reactor surges down here and had to reboot our systems,
Ordering all vessels in Low Mercury Orbit to punch in and identify themselves with
>callsign
>hullnumber
>classification
as well as stating
>business and/or intend
HFC001 over.
>:....

[Anonymous No.11892155]

Add moar hydrologs :DDDDDDD

[Anonymous No.11892166]

>>11892155
More hydrolox :d

[Anonymous No.11892170]

Propalox?

[Anonymous No.11892186]

>>11892117
>foo-fighter
>#1489-SS
>Cargo Vessel
just shipping, ah, 500 tones of... fumigant, Flight Control. for the recent infestations.

[Anonymous No.11892190]

>>11892170
there was a startup using propalox but the company went bankrupt

[Anonymous No.11892192]

Here's your rocket, bro

[Anonymous No.11892201]

>>11892117
Uuuuh, this is NF-104B hull number: 1337, callsign: Calista, coming back from regular, unscheduled anti heresy patrol, returning back to Neo-Mir. Want my vector, copy?

[Anonymous No.11892202]

>>11892192
is this the Australian space agency's latest project?

[Anonymous No.11892204]

>>11892202
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r9gmLfpFTg

They doubled the altitude now

[Anonymous No.11892205]

>>11892204
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaZ2lmrFbSo

Here's a better one. First is a two stage that reached 11km lol

[Anonymous No.11892209]

>>11892201
This is Long March Off A Short Pier of the People's Liberation Army Space Force requesting immediate evacuation. We have a hypergolic leak in the ma-
>[signal lost]

>>11892202
Of course not, it would be upside down.

[Anonymous No.11892211]

>>11892205
>>11892205
Blessed aussies

[Anonymous No.11892215]

>>11892205
>flour rocket
whut

[Anonymous No.11892220]

>>11892209
Long March Off A Short Pier,
This is Calista picking up your distress call and relaying to com-beacon, we have enough deltaV left to reach you, altering course now arrival in t-12 minutes.

[Anonymous No.11892225]

>>11892192
How many grams to orbit?

[Anonymous No.11892226]

Long March Off A Short Pier?
Long March Off A Short Piiier!

Godspeed you squinting little bastards...

[Anonymous No.11892229]

>>11892209
>Of course not, it would be upside down.
>>11892192
>soda bottles
so do you shake it up before launch?
>>11892225
milliliters to orbit

[Anonymous No.11892232]

>>11892205
Why are half those rockets way more impressive than anything this guy's done? I don't see what the big deal about his company is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTQ1Kb1Fvj8

[Anonymous No.11892312]

so what are we going to learn from the solar probe?

[Anonymous No.11892313]

>>11892312
sun is hot

[Anonymous No.11892315]

>>11892077
By paying as much for refurbishment as you‘d need for building a new one.

[Anonymous No.11892322]

>>11892312
>>11892313
What happened to Icarus I

[Anonymous No.11892330]

Imagine the smell.

[Anonymous No.11892394]

>>11892170
propanos
4ass cannot into cryogenics

[Anonymous No.11892399]

>>11892192
>>11892202

[Anonymous No.11892403]

>>11892330
farewell, villagers.

[Anonymous No.11892407]

If you unironically think that some paid for Facebook posts and ads are actually enough to subvert your entire political system then you should find a different system because yours is clearly a joke.

[Anonymous No.11892423]

What are the approximate completion dates for Starship and Super Heavy?

[Anonymous No.11892425]

>>11891457
Technicly yes, that is reasonably possible.
FH does have sufficient performance to send it onto a free return trajectory around the moon.
Practicly there are issues like FH not beeing human-rated and SpaceX probably not going to try to make that happen.

[Anonymous No.11892426]

>>11892423
4 years after SLS sends Americans to the moon

[Anonymous No.11892429]

>>11892399
>mine here
kek

[Anonymous No.11892432]

>>11892426
The 2050th then?

[Anonymous No.11892434]

Since Australian space agency launched in 2018, and then the philippine space agency in 2019, they should work together to launch more rockets from the west pacific with japan

[Anonymous No.11892436]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aJh_2BFQeo

GO AUSTRALIA

[Anonymous No.11892444]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_AhTvYcSYM

What do you guys think of Australian space agency's animated Ad?

[Anonymous No.11892448]

>>11892444
I think that as a gesture of goodwill, they should hire only 100% Aboriginal engineers. Space superpower by 2040

[Anonymous No.11892449]

>>11892444
>Didgeridoo music
what did i expect

[Anonymous No.11892450]

>>11892448
>Aboriginal engineers
Rocket powered by petrol huffing and booze when?

[Anonymous No.11892458]

>>11892394
Conestoga style with propanos core stage when?

[Anonymous No.11892464]

>>11892423
mid 2021

[Anonymous No.11892467]

>>11892464
Is this an optimistic data? What landmarks are yet to be achieved?

[Anonymous No.11892470]

>>11892467
150m hop expected tomorrow. Then high altitude hop, then it needs Super Heavy to reach orbit.

[Anonymous No.11892471]

>>11892444
Australia is a joke, we should have genocides the abos, enriched uranium, made our own fusion tipped ICBMs along with reusable methalox rockets and colonised the stars while everyone else was fucking around.

>t. Australian

[Anonymous No.11892477]

>>11892470
Isn't it in 3 days?

[Anonymous No.11892478]

>>11892467
Not exploding would be a good first milestone.

[Anonymous No.11892481]

>>11892436
Is there any hope in the Australian space industry? Rocket Lab has already cornered the small sat launch industry and Starship is going to fuck shit up in a couple of years. What else can they do? Did they do too little too late?

Pic related, the concept art for their mission control.

[Anonymous No.11892483]

>>11892481
are you sure this isn't the local clinic waiting room

[Anonymous No.11892484]

>>11892458
we have one of our top engineers working on the solid rocket boosters as we speak. he's bought some rubber, fertiliser and a case of beer so it should be ready next week.

[Anonymous No.11892485]

>>11892481
>nah cunt we can't afford proper chairs just take some out of the local school auditorium

[Anonymous No.11892487]

>>11892477
FAA clearance starts tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.11892491]

>>11892477
Possibly. The first static fire is what's tomorrow

[Anonymous No.11892496]

>>11892481
We just committed a quarter of a trillion dollars to defence and pretty much none of that is going into any kind of space technology whatsoever, just a fat paycheck for some dickhead contractors to rip us off for some parallel import Amerishart junk. Just fuck my country up senpai.

[Anonymous No.11892500]

>>11892467
this is somewhat optimistic but also somewhat restrained as well. most conservative estimate would be 2022, most optimistic estimate would be late december 2020

[Anonymous No.11892502]

>>11892458
Is that a 100% solid rocket?

[Anonymous No.11892511]

>>11892502
Liquid center booster.

[Anonymous No.11892514]

it's so shiny

[Anonymous No.11892558]

>>11892514
looks better than expected desu

[Anonymous No.11892577]

>>11892477
I thought it got delayed.
The pad is not finished yet.

[Anonymous No.11892579]

>>11892577
static fire tomorrow

[Anonymous No.11892609]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4lS2mdtpJ4

Oh wow this is a great video

[Anonymous No.11892615]

>>11892609
God damn, Chris sounds so stopped up lmao. I wonder if astronauts get a lot of headaches from sinus problems up there?

[Anonymous No.11892623]

>>11892615
some dude on reddit said they have to eat spicy food(or hot sauce) to clear their sinuses
they don't drain normally due to the microgravity
not sure how true it is, but it must be a pain in the ass regardless

[Anonymous No.11892627]

>>11892609
Woof, just look at all of those hot pixels.

[Anonymous No.11892628]

>>11892623
I think they eat spicy food cause they can’t really taste anything else. Everything is bland so at least spicy food gives the tongue something to taste. Also that video was actually so cozy, it’s so cool seeing Chris watch the livestream and eat food in the kitchen

[Anonymous No.11892630]

>>11892615
>>11892623
ship a pallet on every starship.

[Anonymous No.11892632]

>>11892609
kek he almost slipped up the F word

[Anonymous No.11892635]

Canadarm is the greatest space machine ever built.

[Anonymous No.11892638]

>>11892635
*By Canada

[Anonymous No.11892642]

>>11892635
>the current year
>calling it canadarm when limbunenabled people might be reading
bigot

[Anonymous No.11892672]

>>11892623
Why it spicy food.
Helps digestion
Helps turd elimination
Helps respiratory congestion

[Anonymous No.11892677]

>>11892672
>curry shits on the iss
imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.11892689]

>>11892677
yea haha

[Anonymous No.11892692]

>>11892399
Is that a 2000s Ford Falcon haced into a ute, gone space ship? That's pretty fucking elite mate!

[Anonymous No.11892701]

>>11892692
moon hooning is srs business m8. and it's got illegal airsoft cannons on its weapon mounts.

[Anonymous No.11892756]

>>11892692
what's with astronauts and corvettes

[Anonymous No.11892764]

SpaceX needs to do a lunar sample return mission. Using a Fheavy fully expendable(using 3 boosters with 5 mission each already), to get the most mass to the moon and back. Then auction off the moon samples off in 1 gram samples. To pay for it and flex on oldspace and Bezos.

[Anonymous No.11892782]

>>11892756
free cars for product placement. they were superstars back in the day.

[Anonymous No.11892825]

>>11892756
They were lent to them because from a marketing standpoint that's an incredibly intelligent thing to do, lent mind you because astronauts were part of the airforce or something and it would be illegal to bribe them with gifts. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Anonymous No.11892855]

A Texas water tower built in an open field in a few months officially has more flights under its belt than SLS.

[Anonymous No.11892856]

>>11892672
This is why the solar system will belong to India!

[Anonymous No.11892860]

>>11892855
i just threw a bottle cap at the wall and it now has more flights than sls and new glenn.

[Anonymous No.11892930]

[Anonymous No.11893221]

>unfulfilled government contract
Blue Origin doesn't have this problem

[Anonymous No.11893232]

>>11892502
Yes.

http://www.astronautix.com/c/conestoga1620.html

[Anonymous No.11893267]

>150m hop
What do they need 500m for

[Anonymous No.11893268]

Writing a speech on the Columbia Disaster. Anyone have some shuttle horror stories?

[Anonymous No.11893270]

>>11893267
bout threefiddy meters

[Anonymous No.11893290]

>>11891652
G

[Anonymous No.11893325]

>>11893268
was columbia the heat shield or the botched boosters? cause one anon a while ago posted the reentry chat for the heat shield one and implied the pilots knew everyone was going to die but shrugged threw it to not panic anyone.
fuck oldspace desu.

[Anonymous No.11893329]

>>11893325
columbia was the heatshield

[Anonymous No.11893330]

>>11893268
they were alive until impact on the water.

[Anonymous No.11893335]

>>11892577
The pad is for superheavy. SN5 can land on one of the starhopper pads

[Anonymous No.11893340]

>>11893329
huston knew though, right? or is that still up for debate?

[Anonymous No.11893346]

>>11893340
they didnt know the extent of the damage

but everyone knows how dangerous botched heatshields are with one shuttle mission where they barely came back alive

[Anonymous No.11893364]

>>11893346
>they didnt know the extent of the damage
bollocks. an organisation that is to it's core risk adverse would have expected the worse. they knew, the pilots knew, they just couldn't get their totally reusable launcher up to rescue them quick enough and politically couldn't beg the russians (even if that would have been logistically possible).

[Anonymous No.11893369]

>>11893364
it looked better for them to die in a fireball than suffocate in leo.

[Anonymous No.11893371]

>>11893364
they couldnt see it you turd. they even wanted to do an EVA to check but they didnt have the arm to reach it. I think all they manage is to send houston a blurry image which no one could make up anyways

[Anonymous No.11893379]

>>11893371
potemkin city shit. don't need an image or an eva to know your orange rocket foam has fubard your amazingly delicate tiles.

[Anonymous No.11893397]

>>11892097
Yea but if I just say Super Heavy it's not necessarily clear whether I'm referring to the booster or an entire class of rockets.
I guess we could settle on Starship Super Heavy but then it kinda sounds like you're referring to a larger diameter version of Starship.

[Anonymous No.11893399]

>>11893364
>they just couldn't get their totally reusable launcher up to rescue them quick enough and politically couldn't beg the russians (even if that would have been logistically possible).
There was also the fear that if another Shuttle could be sent up, then the damage to the heat-shield would happen again and NASA would end up with two orbiters stuck in space.

[Anonymous No.11893438]

Just spent 3 hours on a Duna/Ike mission and accidentally reenacted Discovery when I went to re-enter Kerbin. Never forgotten to add a head shield to my module before

[Anonymous No.11893443]

>>11893438

[Anonymous No.11893454]

>>11893399
just wish they'd be honest that they knew they were dead as soon as they reached orbit.

[Anonymous No.11893476]

>>11893399
>>11893346
It really was a shit program. Very kino when it worked but so much shit to go wrong.
>>11893438
It's Columbia

[Anonymous No.11893488]

>>11893438
we all been there
always quicksave before re-entry
(unless you hate yourself)

[Anonymous No.11893489]

>>11893268
STS-27

[Anonymous No.11893500]

>>11893489
Yup, thanks for reminding me. Such a shitshow.

[Anonymous No.11893502]

>>11893454
IIRC, NASA didn't know the extent of the damage (foam strikes were common, but never resulted in vehicle-loss damage before STS-107) until Columbia was mostly done with it's mission. After that point, it became clear that there was no rescue and NASA opted to pretend that everything is fine as to not panic the astronauts in their last moments.

Or at least that's what I've heard, that should probably be fact checked.

[Anonymous No.11893506]

>>11893502
wonder what evidence came to light that made them come to that last minute conclusion? because they would have known what a foam strike at that scale and at the velocity and to which part of the wing would have done to compromise the vehicle.

[Anonymous No.11893516]

>>11893502
Yup this is right. The flight two missions before had foam break off and it was even recorded by the brand new external cam. It hit something non mission critical.

Here's some stuff from STS-27
>One report describes the crew as "infuriated" that Mission Control seemed unconcerned.[10][11] When Commander Gibson saw the damage he thought to himself, "We are going to die",[2] and did not believe that the shuttle would survive reentry; if instruments indicated that the shuttle was disintegrating, he planned to "tell mission control what I thought of their analysis" in the remaining seconds before his death.[1] Upon landing, the magnitude of the damage to the shuttle astonished NASA; over 700 damaged tiles were noted, and one tile was missing altogether. The missing tile had been located over the steel mounting plate for the L-band antenna, perhaps preventing a burn-through of the sort that would ultimately doom Columbia in 2003.[8] There was almost no damage present on the orbiter's left side. STS-27 Atlantis was the most damaged launch-entry vehicle to return to Earth successfully.

Also sad doppler radar of columbia breaking up.

[Anonymous No.11893519]

>>11893489
Aluminum survives reentry

[Anonymous No.11893524]

>>11893519
that was a steel component.

[Anonymous No.11893526]

>>11893524
Partially melted alluminum protecting the steel component?

[Anonymous No.11893529]

>>11893506
>wonder what evidence came to light that made them come to that last minute conclusion?
I think it was a combination of astronauts showing concern and mission control reviewing the launch footage.

>because they would have known what a foam strike at that scale and at the velocity and to which part of the wing would have done to compromise the vehicle.
The strike happened fairly quickly and everyone else had hundreds of other things to keep track of, so it was missed if I'm recalling correctly. I also recall some resistance inside NASA somewhere which denied that a foam strike on the graphite leading edge would cause severe damage. Such resistance even fought against having a test performed after the fact.

Again, this is from talk among space flight enthusiast friends and some where from NASA so the details might be off.

[Anonymous No.11893545]

>>11893519
>>11893526
More like aluminum melts the fuck down lmao. That shuttle mission only survived because it happened to have steel there. They got really lucky

[Anonymous No.11893546]

>>11893529
i have no idea either beyond speculation. but you'd think after this >>11893526 many missions earlier you'd be all over that shit.
i maintain it was ultimately a political decision to have them die and to have them do it in a fireball rather than suffocate in a vehicle that was top secret and would need disposing of regardless.

[Anonymous No.11893554]

>>11893546
>In 2013, Hale recalled that Director of Mission Operations Jon C. Harpold shared with him before Columbia's destruction a mindset which Hale himself later agreed was widespread at the time, even among the astronauts themselves:
>You know, there is nothing we can do about damage to the [thermal protection system]. If it has been damaged it's probably better not to know. I think the crew would rather not know. Don't you think it would be better for them to have a happy successful flight and die unexpectedly during entry than to stay on orbit, knowing that there was nothing to be done, until the air ran out?

[Anonymous No.11893562]

>>11893554
>knowing that there was nothing to be done
what was the planned lauch cadence of the ss when it was first proposed?
gen2 atlas and a smaller service vehicle would have cost less and filled the roll.

[Anonymous No.11893566]

>>11893562
>atlas
*saturn. soz reading wiki while drinking.

[Anonymous No.11893568]

>>11893554
Literally FUUUUUUUCK the shuttle. Such a shame, growing up I thought it was the gold standard for spaceflight. Especially as a tiny kid, I thought it could go to the fucking Moon and stuff (I was like 6 okay). The older I get the more and more it hurts to learn about. My dad was part of the search and rescue for Columbia. That LEO deathtrap ruined my enthusiasm for so many months after that

[Anonymous No.11893578]

>>11893568
i thought the same. cause it was plane shaped i imagined it just took off, went to space and did cool shit then landed just like a plane.

[Anonymous No.11893593]

>>11891394

[Anonymous No.11893595]

>>11893562
>what was the planned lauch cadence of the ss when it was first proposed?
24 per year.

>gen2 atlas and a smaller service vehicle would have cost less and filled the roll.
But those were seen as relatively expensive compared to that the Shuttle was predicted to be. Plus, NASA was facing severe budget cuts at the time and maintaining a separate launch service that was less capable and more expensive than the main service seemed like a waste.

[Anonymous No.11893603]

>>11893554
Unironically this happened on Apollo 12. Dual lighting strikes freaked out the Saturn V computer but it made it to orbit. Right before the burn to bring the crew to the moon, NASA realized that there’s a chance the lighting strikes caused the pyrotechnics to fire the parachutes to deploy already. NASA realized that the crew would 100% die on return and this decided that aborting to Earth now or two weeks from now wouldn’t matter as the Apollo CSM was already fucked, so they continued the mission and crossed their fingers.

Of course it all went well and no one died. Funny to think that in another universe Columbia may have been one of those “Damn that was close” moments.

[Anonymous No.11893607]

>>11893595
>24 per year.
oh my days

[Anonymous No.11893613]

>could have saved columbia lads but our porkbarrel just can't fly that often
*saturn glares in the background*

[Anonymous No.11893629]

>>11893613
At that point, the Saturns were all but gone. Getting another one flying would've taken just as much time as preparing another Shuttle if not more. NASA really shot itself in the kneecaps when it had to adopt the Shuttle.

[Anonymous No.11893643]

>>11893629
i mean more if they'd iteratively developed on saturn and pushed reusability on that instead of gone to the time and expense of doing ss which is by all metrics an inferior vehicle.

[Anonymous No.11893663]

>>11893643
You should check out “Eyes Turned Skywards” it’s an alternate history blog about that exactly.

[Anonymous No.11893668]

>The Saturn V was launched 13 times from the Kennedy Space Center in Florida with no loss of crew or payload. As of 2020, the Saturn V remains the tallest, heaviest, and most powerful (highest total impulse) rocket ever brought to operational status, and holds records for the heaviest payload launched and largest payload capacity to low Earth orbit (LEO) of 140,000 kg (310,000 lb), which included the third stage and unburned propellant needed to send the Apollo command and service module and Lunar Module to the Moon.
>To date, the Saturn V remains the only launch vehicle to carry humans beyond low Earth orbit.
>1967
what have we done

[Anonymous No.11893692]

>>11893668
There were no market for super heavy rockets.
Soviets and Russian sat with Energia and desperately proposed to launch nuclear waste to space to foreigners.

[Anonymous No.11893697]

>>11893668
Stalled the destiny of mankind by half a century for no good reason whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.11893699]

>>11893692
they'll spend trillions staking claims on random ice fields or wasting desert tribes. but securing the solar system? nah fuck that.
god i fucking hate politicians.

[Anonymous No.11893700]

>>11893643
Hindsight is 20/20.

[Anonymous No.11893706]

>>11893700
but it's so obvious to reuse saturn instead of develop a space plane. unless i'm missing something massive here that isn't government contracts.

[Anonymous No.11893711]

>>11893699
Answer is simple, no Cold War - no Space Race.

[Anonymous No.11893719]

>>11893711
and as i said in the last thread, it's easier for powers to cockblock entry to leo or regulate any threat to colonisation of the solar system than it is to compete with it. fucking bureaucrats, again.

[Anonymous No.11893720]

Is this the high bay's final height or will it be taller? Since it's going up so quick, does it mean Super Heavy will appear soon?

[Anonymous No.11893722]

>>11893720
way way taller

[Anonymous No.11893730]

>>11893720
Tall enough for whole stack.

[Anonymous No.11893749]

>>11893706
The Saturn I was a stop-gap rocket made from spare parts, and the new parts for it weren't made with reuse in mind. The H-1 engines in the first stage were single use only and couldn't be relit without refurbishment. The Saturn V was a rocket that was too big for most payloads after Apollo and was incredibly expensive (I've heard some rumors that the commonly quoted prices were low estimates). There's also the case of the rockets not having the basic design elements for reuse. The early Falcon 9 had the early traits for reusability such as the first stage being able to be relit and throttle down to very low thrusts. Neither Saturns could had those traits and more.

Add that with the notion that expendable and reusable rockets are so different that iterating an expendable rocket to be reusable would not be feasible, and that results in neither Saturn not being a viable candidate for reuse.

[Anonymous No.11893751]

>>11893706
The shuttle design was built around USAF requirements to snatch big satellites out of the sky in one orbit and land on a runway... requirements that were dropped before Columbia's first flight.

[Anonymous No.11893756]

>>11893668
>>11893697
The US decided to placate rioting negroes in the 60s instead of exterminating them. All of our current problems trace back to this.

[Anonymous No.11893760]

>>11893749
I'm just gonna post the rest of these images, because they're cool.

[Anonymous No.11893765]

>>11893760

[Anonymous No.11893769]

>>11893765
Last one. Something about it seems really SMART.

[Anonymous No.11893779]

>>11893769
lol

[Anonymous No.11893799]

>>11893749
idk. in hindsight it looks like the shuttle was a backwards step.

[Anonymous No.11893810]

>>11893799
*for human spaceflight, not for shoving satellites in to leo. but then even the shuttle was shit at that.

[Anonymous No.11893822]

>>11893799
More likely it was the shuttle or nothing at all. The vehicle was designed towards the need. There was no impetus for beyond LEO manned presence. We got the flags and footprints.

[Anonymous No.11893828]

>>11893364
Could the russians have helped?
Soyuz only seats 3, they'd have needed to launch three of them within 2 weeks.

[Anonymous No.11893841]

>>11893828
They could have maybe launched a progress freighter that could have delivered oxygen and other emergency supplies to stretch the survival of the crew untill another shuttle would have been ready.

[Anonymous No.11893856]

When’s the next Starlink launch.

[Anonymous No.11893865]

>>11893720
It will be tall as the crane

[Anonymous No.11893976]

>>11893856
They haven't decided on a date yet. Probably still checking over the F9 that was scrubbed.

[Anonymous No.11894011]

>>11893799
Keep in mind that if there was no shuttle there’d be no SpaceX. Even if Apollo went to mars is unlikely colonization would’ve been within their budget especially considering the 90s to 2010s Of NASA budgets getting shrunk.

[Anonymous No.11894028]

Are Elon and Notch only people open against cancel culture?

[Anonymous No.11894091]

>>11893730
no, whole stack is 120 meters, highbay will be 81

[Anonymous No.11894226]

>>11893595
>24 per year.
Right now SpaceX can't even keep up to that schedule with its Starlink launches, and that's a lot less complicated than Shuttle. Thank you Kennedy Scrub Center weather.

[Anonymous No.11894238]

>>11893751
Hehehe if I remember correctly, the shuttle was actually way better and then the USAF came in swinging like
>Yoooo we have a shit load of money and will pay a ton if you design it to these specifications once shuttle is ready
So NASA spent a lot more in R&D to changed the shuttle design and satisfy them. Well the USAF got cold feet and pulled out but NASA had already paid too much to change the design back so they were stuck with it

[Anonymous No.11894297]

>>11894028
I am too

[Anonymous No.11894310]

>>11894238
would love to see the engineering on that.

[Anonymous No.11894352]

>>11894226
False reasoning. Starlink launches have to cater to launch requirements from Florida. SS launches from coast of Boca will have much less laxed requirement due to private ownership instead of gov/military ownership.

[Anonymous No.11894444]

>>11893364
>an organisation that is to it's core risk adverse would have expected the worse.
NASA administration is not risk-averse. That was a key contributing factor in both orbiter losses.
They knew the wing had been damaged, but did not believe it was anything serious.

[Anonymous No.11894445]

>expectations vs reality

[Anonymous No.11894456]

>>11893268
Onboard the space station, the Columbia crew participated in a memorial ceremony for the Challenger and Apollo 1 crews.

[Anonymous No.11894461]

>>11894445
God I hope Starship is more like the left, and less like the right. It seems like Elon is making it as modular as possible (i.e. all of the heat shield tiles are the same size and shape, thus modular; engine seems to be long-lasting and low-cost for upkeep, stainless steel body, etc.)
Don’t let us down Elon

[Anonymous No.11894469]

>>11894461
consider the Starship heat shield is not ablative and pretty much just fairly solid insulation, it very well could be. That uniform tile size is exactly what is needed imho

[Anonymous No.11894470]

>>11894445
>inspection platforms bad!
just stop

[Anonymous No.11894479]

>>11894470
just banter m8

[Anonymous No.11894482]

>>11894470
I think it's less about inspection platforms and more about having to strip detail a reusable vehicle after every use.

[Anonymous No.11894489]

>>11893706
Theoretically, if the space plane could achieve all it was designed to do in terms of reliability, reusability, and launch cadence, it would make everything else uneconomical. Setting aside the question of whether that was truly possible with 1970s technology, budgetary considerations forced a large number of compromises. Among those was the abandonment of a proposed F1 flyback booster.

[Anonymous No.11894490]

>>11894470
I don’t think you get the gist of that anon’s photo. The left pic was the intended inspection bay, but it got way more complicated because shuttle sucked. They had to tear apart the shuttle to inspect and replace a ton of shit and it drove costs through the roof.
It was SUPPOSED to be a low-maintenance reusable shuttle with minimal inspection bay

[Anonymous No.11894500]

>>11894469
Yeah agreed. If one of them needs replacing you don’t have to spend a ton of money to fabricate a complicated size/shape. Just park it in the shop and bolt on a hexagon. Also I thought it was ablative? If it’s not, that would be awesome

[Anonymous No.11894501]

>>11894238
USAF didn't provide any money.
However, they did provide support for the project in Congress.
>>11894470
It's about the months-long refurbishment process which required a standing army of labour against the original conception for maintenance akin to that of an airliner.
The various contractors actually brought airlines on board as part of their initial pitches to NASA, as shuttle operations were supposed to be like airline operations.

[Anonymous No.11894513]

>>11894500
nah, it just resists high heat without melting. Think of a ceramic baking dish, it just heats up and cools down, repeat for years until one day it might be damaged, then you use another

[Anonymous No.11894522]

>>11894445
>left
Selling to Senators on "cheap" $10m space plance
>reality
$1 billion space plane

[Anonymous No.11894639]

>>11893325
I think that was from a different shuttle that made it despite damage to the heatshield? Or maybe it was made up, idk.

[Anonymous No.11894644]

>>11894639
>I think that was from a different shuttle that made it despite damage to the heatshield?
Atlantis during STS-27.

[Anonymous No.11894653]

>>11894444
The problem wasn‘t even that they knew the wing was damaged and chose to not do anything about it.
The problem is that even during a design stage they already knew about this issue and they knew they‘d have jackshit for options available in this situation.
And even through some near misses they just refused to do anything about it.

[Anonymous No.11894699]

>>11894653
The whole orbiter on the side layout was just such a shit idea. But I think it's the only way they could've reused the main engines.

[Anonymous No.11894714]

>>11893799

The transition from Apollo level funding to post Apollo level funding overly flatters the Saturn 5.
The funding level that allowed the Saturn 5 to do what it did was a short term thing that wouldn't be repeated. It is not the vehicle it is the funding level behind the scenes.

This isn't to let the Shuttle off the hook.

[Anonymous No.11894723]

>>11893822

It was the Shuttle versus something else. There is more possible "something elses" than just Apollo as a reference base.

There is a tendency to overly grant the Shuttle as being a rational thing to do that must have been done because of some valid reason, than just something that was done.

[Anonymous No.11894728]

>>11894011

If there was no shuttle there would still be a space program and similar impulse to do various things from the space movement. The Shuttle is one manifestation of a space program but not the sole genesis for spaceflight sentiment.

[Anonymous No.11894747]

Assuming Elon Musk can get at least 250000 people to mars through travel by 2050, and assuming some organic growth, when will SpaceX start colonizing ceres?

[Anonymous No.11894772]

How far away from the atmosphere would you need to be to safely start a fusion drive? LEO? GEO? L2?

[Anonymous No.11894774]

>>11894747
Starman already touched Ceres orbit so probably as soon as Mars can start building at least the metal parts of Starships.

[Anonymous No.11894778]

>>11894747
After one of Musk's son take over the company when he's competent enough.

[Anonymous No.11894785]

>>11894772
100km and suborbital?

[Anonymous No.11894786]

>>11894714

*Except in so far a different vehicle can do better with the same money.

[Anonymous No.11894814]

>>11894772
A better question is "how far away would you need to be for nobody to bitch and moan about it".
And the question is, Mars or something equally far away.

[Anonymous No.11894828]

>>11894352
Shuttle wouldn't have launched from anywhere but KSC. Keep up with the thread.

[Anonymous No.11894835]

>>11894828
Irrelevant to the argument that SpaceX can't launch 24+ / y

[Anonymous No.11894840]

>>11894835
The argument was comparing to the original claim when it was new that Shuttle could launch 24/yr.
>>11894774
There will be a lot of Starships launched to Mars that won't be going back to Earth. Literally all they have to do is make fuel and launch pads.

[Anonymous No.11894853]

>>11894772
Fusion or fission? Fusion drives would be safe to use anywhere I assume, even on the surface. A fusion drive would make everyone mad cause it would make anything in its wake radioactive... so you’d want to pass mars or something first

[Anonymous No.11894858]

>>11894853
God dammit...
*a FISSION drive would make everyone mad

[Anonymous No.11894873]

>>11891872
>would of

[Anonymous No.11894885]

>>11894853
If you had a fusion torch that had the fusing plasma directly heating propellant to propel it in space, could you have high powered trubines pull in ambiant air and heat that as reaction mass?
Like a fusion jet that lifts it off and then switches to a normal fusion torch?

[Anonymous No.11894889]

>>11894747
Why colonize ceres. the Earth and Mars systems have all the liveable space you could need. Phobos and Deimos have enough ore to last us for a while I should think. Unless there is something about differentiated bodies. Next step is the Jovian system (Callisto) which acts as the rally point for Saturnian and Uranian moons for He-3 if that ever becomes a thing.

[Anonymous No.11894909]

>>11894853
Fusion. The ship design I'm thinking of is based on this stab at recreating the Rocinante's engine:

https://toughsf.blogspot.com/2019/10/the-expanses-epstein-drive.html

so the exhaust is pretty tame in everything but raw energy delivery: helium, protons, and x rays. You wouldn't want to stand directly in the exhaust, but that's true of any spacecraft.

[Anonymous No.11894923]

>>11894889
It could be a major port and refining center for asteroid belt , it's a massive structure you could build into a space station with plenty of radiation protection
It could be the Omega of the asteroid belt

[Anonymous No.11894985]

>>11894923
Shipping raw materials elsewhere to refine them is absurd, you refine whatever you mine in place. Ports in space do also not serve the same function as they do on earth, you don't make stop offs, if you want to go somewhere or send materials somewhere you send it directly.

[Anonymous No.11895008]

>>11894923
He(>>11894985) is right, the asteroid belt is gonna come in use when space is at near expanse levels of use, centuries away. The .18g of callisto can provide livable gravity while also being a great resource hub.

[Anonymous No.11895051]

>>11894985
>>11895008
You still would need a supply base, repair center and fuel depot for any expansive mining operation since most times out of the year Mars would be too far off in any emergency or fuel situation

[Anonymous No.11895081]

https://waynehale.wordpress.com/2012/04/18/how-we-nearly-lost-discovery/

Jesus christ. STS-27 and now this. Gift that keeps on giving.

[Anonymous No.11895092]

>>11894889
>why colonize ceres
Well, I doubt it'll ever be a full scale colony, but more of an outpost in the asteroid belt. Elon musk has stated multiple times though that ceres is next after mars, for reasons unknown. Again though it'll probably be very small compared to mars, only a few thousand permanent residents, maybe in the lower tens of thousands.
It could be for strategic reasons if Elon is positioning himself to take control of the solar system though.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1170983609492103168?lang=en

[Anonymous No.11895093]

>>11895051
>supply base, repair center and fuel depot

You carry all supplies and tools you need with you and get restocked by mass driver packages, fuel is created in situ.

>since most times out of the year Mars would be too far off in any emergency or fuel situation

I don't think you realise how delta v works or what the asteroid belt is.

[Anonymous No.11895112]

>>11895092
>It could be for strategic reasons
Yeah its called water.

[Anonymous No.11895189]

-----Original Message-----
From: STICH, J. S. (STEVE) (JSC-DA8) (NASA)
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 11:13 PM
To: CDR; PLT
Cc: BECK, KELLY B. (JSC-DA8) (NASA); ENGELAUF, PHILIP L. (JSC-DA8) (NASA); CAIN, LEROY E. (JSC-DA8) (NASA); HANLEY, JEFFREY M. (JEFF) (JSC-DA8) (NASA);
Subject: INFO: Possible PAO Event Question


Rick and Willie,

You guys are doing a fantastic job staying on the timeline and accomplishing great science. Keep up the good work and let us know if there is anything that we can do better from an MCC/POCC standpoint.

There is one item that I would like to make you aware of for the upcoming PAO event on Blue FD 10 and for future PAO events later in the mission. This item is not even worth mentioning other than wanting to make sure that you are not surprised by it in a question from a reporter.

During ascent at approximately 80 seconds, photo analysis shows that some debris from the area of the -Y ET Bipod Attach Point came loose and subsequently impacted the orbiter left wing, in the area of transition from Chine to Main Wing, creating a shower of smaller particles. The impact appears to be totally on the lower surface and no particles are seen to traverse over the upper surface of the wing. Experts have reviewed the high speed photography and there is no concern for RCC or tile damage. We have seen this same phenomenon on several other flights and there is absolutely no concern for entry.

That is all for now. It's a pleasure working with you every day.

-----Original Message-----
From: CDR
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 9:02 PM
To: STICH, J. S. (STEVE) (JSC-DA8) (NASA)
Cc: Shuttle Crew
Subject: RE: INFO: Possible PAO Event Question

Thanks a million Steve!

And thanks for the the great work on your part AND for the great poems! I saw the word Chine below and thought it was "China". I guess it's believable that you might meet someone from China by the name of Main Wing :).

Rick

Jesus christ... :(

[Anonymous No.11895203]

>>11895189
What the fuck, who cut onions in here? This is heartbreaking. These men and women were explorers though so they knew the risks. We're only here now because we stand on the shoulders of giants

[Anonymous No.11895205]

>>11895189
Classic Steve

[Anonymous No.11895216]

>>11895093
>I don't think you realise how delta v works
Manned missions will always value speed over conservation of delta v assuming any technological capacity to do so because Hohmanns are too fucking slow.

[Anonymous No.11895239]

>>11895189
>that Main Wing joke
Rick sounds like he was a cool guy

[Anonymous No.11895248]

>>11895216
Hohhmans are the foreseeable future without sci fi torch drives, even with things like NTR you will still be doing hohhmans.

[Anonymous No.11895251]

>>11893751
Well at least the military has its own space agency now

[Anonymous No.11895254]

>>11893720
Is this gonna be a permanent structure in boca chica? wtf it was only made in like a week

[Anonymous No.11895256]

>>11895254
its not even close to being done

[Anonymous No.11895258]

>>11895189
Ah shit, ah fuck.

[Anonymous No.11895265]

>>11895189
wut

[Anonymous No.11895269]

>>11894778
>After one of Musk's son
Companies get weak generationally. We need one of the young people in SpaceX that's as enthusiastic as Musk and approved by him to take over.

[Anonymous No.11895273]

>>11894853
I say we set up mining on the moon for He-3 then use that to fuel fusion drives

[Anonymous No.11895283]

>>11895273
Lunar he-3 is a meme how many times do we have to tell you retards.

[Anonymous No.11895295]

>>11895283
Is he-3 found anywhere in abundance? I mean doesn't it only account for like 0.00001% of all helium or something?

[Anonymous No.11895296]

>>11895081
>blame the foam installation technicians when you haven't recreated what really caused the foam issue
Fucking kek

[Anonymous No.11895303]

>>11895189
Face it, Rick was going to get cancelled one way or another for that joke.

[Anonymous No.11895304]

>>11895265
Email from flight director to Rick Husband, commander of the doomed Columbia about the incident that would kill him

[Anonymous No.11895306]

>>11895269
>/sfg/ infiltrates SpaceX and get into key leadership alpha legion style to steer it to the universe beyond LEO
All according to keikaku

[Anonymous No.11895307]

>>11895189
RIP rick

[Anonymous No.11895314]

"Roger.. uhhhh----"

[Anonymous No.11895318]

>>11895314
>tfw they die within a minute after that

[Anonymous No.11895320]

>>11895295
We do have a few balls of gas in the system.

[Anonymous No.11895325]

>The official NASA report omitted some of the more graphic details on the recovery of the remains; witnesses reported finds such as a skull, human heart, a portion of an upper torso, and parts of femur bones.

[Anonymous No.11895330]

>>11895325
Imagine chilling in your yard and a flaming human skull lands on your lawn lmao

[Anonymous No.11895338]

>>11895330
heh... I pick it up and put it in the poop sock... where mom can't find it...

[Anonymous No.11895340]

>>11895330
Based. I would unironically take a bite out of the human heart if I found it, and gain the astronaut's pioneer spirit.

[Anonymous No.11895341]

>>11895330
Put that on your own spaceship so that the malevolent gods are placated and don't destroy it

[Anonymous No.11895344]

>>11895325
What would be worse, riding on challenger or columbia? I think the astronauts on columbia were blissfully unaware and just kinda disintegrated. Challenger would have been scary as fuck, riding a flaming cockpit all the way down to Earth’s surface. Worse still would be Apollo 1... you’re just running a simulation, when suddenly DOOR STUCK and the atmosphere becomes fire

[Anonymous No.11895348]

>>11895344
One of the early soyuz flights had a parachute failure. Dude completed his mission and then rode the thing at ballistic speeds down to Earth’s surface. THAT would be scary, realizing you’re parachutes are fucked and you’re basically a falling rock

[Anonymous No.11895353]

>>11895344
Fuck you for making me giggle like a retard imagining the heroes of Apollo 1 going through the whole DOOR STUCK CS:S routine as they cook to death.
Anyone here ever listen to the audio on liveleak? Genuinely haunting

[Anonymous No.11895358]

>>11895344
Columbia by far. Thrown out of a shuttle at mach 18 sounds pretty bad

[Anonymous No.11895366]

>>11895358
I'm pretty sure decompression incapacitated them instantly. They died on contact with the ground but lost consciousness when the shuttle disintegrated. Same with Challenger. Apollo 1 is hell.

[Anonymous No.11895374]

>>11895353
>>11895344
Fuck, on that note, has anyone ever seen the footage of the Challenger astronauts' families watching the launch? Incredibly fucked up, a lot of the people there to support Christa McAuliffe didn't realize anything had gone wrong, so they're cheering until the announcer states that there's been a malfunction, and everyone's faces gradually start to fall. They cut over to some of the other astronauts families and they're sobbing and gesturing at the fireball, the whole thing plays out like a surrealist black comedy sketch or something. It made me sick the first time I saw it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd7dxmBLg48

[Anonymous No.11895406]

>>11895374
My god. Poor guys, going to see your kid go to space and watch them die in front of you.

[Anonymous No.11895413]

>>11895189
I'm NOT crying this time!

[Anonymous No.11895418]

apollo 1 was the dumbest, they lost ed white to that

[Anonymous No.11895421]

>>11895374
Doesn’t that video have students watching their teacher launch? God damn I can watch shootouts and murders on liveleak but this is the line for me. These are modern day renaissance men (and women) with an awesome job, and their friends and family watch them eviscerate in a boeing death machine

[Anonymous No.11895434]

>>11892478
How else do you test the structural integrity of a rocket?

[Anonymous No.11895445]

>>11895434
just fix it if it fails on go live lol

[Anonymous No.11895449]

>>11892856
Can't wait till Indians start shitting all over the moon and mars

[Anonymous No.11895452]

>>11893268(me)
Thanks for all the help on the Columbia stuff. Really enjoyed the in-depth convo on the horror of the shuttle program, /sfg/ at it's comfiest. I can recommend looking through the wiki pages on all the astronauts, gives the accidents a human dimension.

[Anonymous No.11895468]

>>11895452
I even get sad reading about spacecraft retiring and being shut off or probes completing a final plunge into a planet. Holy shit the wiki pages are fucking dark especially when it goes into “Personal Life” and you realize they’re all just human beings who lived and loved and cried and bled like any of us.

Also when do you think the first mission will occur where one or a few crew members die but the others make it back home?

It’s hard to think of but in the colonization of Mars, we’re probably going to lose hundreds or even thousands of people. But that’s what it takes. And as sad as it is reading about these astronauts, they knew the risks. They’re deaths were tragic, but they knew it was always a possibility.

[Anonymous No.11895476]

>>11895468
Embrace death without regret, as I have embraced life without fear.

[Anonymous No.11895479]

Why can't they use an ablative spray-on heat shield that just gets re-applied after every flight?

[Anonymous No.11895485]

>>11895479
Too uneven, not rigid enough to create a nice aerodynamic surface.
If they could create some kind of spray-on insulation that goes on like truck bed liner that would be really useful.

[Anonymous No.11895489]

>>11895468
Lots of people will die in the quest to explore and every one of will be a tragedy to someone. But anything worth doing is dangerous and difficult, and people will persevere because exploration is humanity at its greatest.

[Anonymous No.11895496]

>>11895485
I wonder how good of a heat shield bedliner is.

[Anonymous No.11895504]

>>11895479
Variable internal structure causing potential weak spots
Adhesion issues, for both initial and subsequent application
Not actually more time-efficient than a shield that can withstand multiple reentries and be fairly easily swapped
Not actually more time OR weight efficient than durable bolt-on tiles

[Anonymous No.11895522]

>>11895452
Thanks for bringing it up. I had never heard any of that STS-27 stuff, it was really interesting. This thread benefits from those types of discussions

[Anonymous No.11895525]

>>11895374
That made me sad.

[Anonymous No.11895543]

>>11895522
Yeah, I hope others start long discussions on stuff like this. Better than the /pol/ posting that comes when people get bored. Hopefully I get into the NTP seminar tomorrow. If I do I'll post my notes.

>https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/whats-happening-in-space-policy-july-12-18-2020/
Great place for niche space meetings. There's a lunar development conference with the Masten CEO coming up, can't believe I haven't found the site earlier.

>http://www.moonsociety.org/ldc

[Anonymous No.11895544]

>>11895452
Yeah looking at the photos of the challenger and columbia crew gives me an eerie feeling. They were both full of such a diverse crew. Reading their bios makes them seem so much more real and it just hits me in the gut. But that’s the unfortunate price to pay: we will PROBABLY see Starship failures in then future that may claim the life of 100 explorers (not saying it’s LIKELY, just saying it should be on everyone’s mind). I hope if it happens we memorialize the fallen, learn from the mistakes, and continue launches. You’re going to have a few sinking sailboats when exploring for new land; shouldn’t be any different with space exploration. Just push forward.

[Anonymous No.11895553]

>>11895496
Nah, even the toughest stuff is only UHMWPE, which turns to liquid and melts above 270-ish degrees and also becomes extremely brittle when chilled to cryogenic temperatures. Some of it would melt just passing up through the thermosphere, extreme cold in space would turn it brittle, and thermal shock as it reenters would probably cause it to either slough off your vehicle or just flake apart. It's also aggressively attacked by solvents, oxidizing environments and UV radiation.

[Anonymous No.11895562]

>”We will never forget them, nor the last time we saw them, this morning, as they prepared for their journey and waved goodbye and slipped the surly bonds of earth to touch the face of God."

[Anonymous No.11895579]

dude why dont we just make the ehat shield out of ICE

[Anonymous No.11895597]

>>11895579
There’s conjecture about using ice as shields for interstellar craft

[Anonymous No.11895610]

>>11895579
You'd need a LOT of ice. Probably too much for an Earth-launched vehicle to ever lift. Plus ice is brittle and the vibration of liftoff would likely shatter an ice heatshield. Dunno, pykrete might survive liftoff but I doubt it would make a very good heat shield since it's basically just frozen cork.

[Anonymous No.11895642]

Audio Recording of the Apollo 1 Fire:

> https://youtu.be/274lQSbpkRg

Skip to 29:48 for the actual Fire. Watch the whole thing though it’s sad through and through.

[Anonymous No.11895653]

https://space.nss.org/settlement/nasa/Contest/Results/2009/ODISA.pdf

Pooja and Swastika. What the hell is this, two highschoolers designing a damn rocket.

[Anonymous No.11895657]

>>11895642
Sad to hear greats die like that.

[Anonymous No.11895660]

>>11895653
>Cum present

[Anonymous No.11895667]

>>11895660
Therefore we
intend to paint a Hindu Swastika on our Gajaraj as our symbolic signature cum message.
Extra terrestrials if any will know that we earthlings know how to worship and we posses and
pride in peace, prosperity cum progress, which we extend to them as because we care to share.
Our mission is not UFO.

[Anonymous No.11895674]

>>11895667
>>11895660
So weird, it won first place too.

[Anonymous No.11895676]

>>11895674
diversity outreach obviously

[Anonymous No.11895690]

>>11895676
Half the applicants to the competition are indian

>https://space.nss.org/settlement/nasa/Contest/Results/2020/SternHabitat.pdf
More recent and more importantly readable hab proposal. Wants to bring a station to the Kuiper belt, with ion engines lol.

[Anonymous No.11895722]

it thirsts for engines

[Anonymous No.11895723]

>you're going to be at my first launch, right anon?

[Anonymous No.11895736]

>>11895722
>That battle damage.
They're going to start putting hash marks into it to keep track of it's kills.

[Anonymous No.11895748]

>>11895736
the predecessor was destroyed when it impacted the ground

[Anonymous No.11895750]

>>11895723
Of course.

Starship is female right? As are all rockets? Except Soyuz maybe idk.

So like Starship is that 6’5 Amazon volleyball player while Saturn V is her MILF mother and shuttle is her evil cousin.

[Anonymous No.11895753]

>>11895748
That's just what it's servants want you to believe. Once it's consumed enough Starship prototypes it will assume it's true form.

[Anonymous No.11895775]

>>11895750
shuttle is that high maintenance emo grl who won't stop cutting herself and having breakdowns in public

[Anonymous No.11895776]

>>11895750
All machinery is female.

[Anonymous No.11895779]

>>11895723
Its OK starship chan, I have eyes only for you. That SLS whore won't fool me.

[Anonymous No.11895783]

>>11895775
>Electron is the cutie petite black girl with curly hair and is bookish but is clumsy
>Ariane 5 is the popular girl who is now hated by everyone but tried to cling to her fame
>Falcon 9 is the girl who takes a bajollion extracuricculars and is student body president

[Anonymous No.11895788]

>>11895776
I remember reading a post on a wheel of time forum a while back, in the book series they referred to boats as "he" and there was this very wholesome explanation behind it. This retarded tumblerite asked why ships are called she and when some random posted the generally accepted reason given by sailors, that they are whoring shitposters.

>A ship is called ‘She’ because there is always a great deal of bustle around her, it takes a lot of paint to keep her looking good. It is not the initial expense that breaks you, it’s the upkeep, it takes an experienced skipper to handle her correctly without which she is absolutely uncontrollable. When coming into port, always heads for the buoys.

And there was an absolute meltdown for the rest of the thread, hilarious stuff.

[Anonymous No.11895797]

what's the next unmanned mission to launch after the perseverance rover?

[Anonymous No.11895807]

IM GUNNA DISOOOOOOOONTEGRATE

[Anonymous No.11895811]

>>11895807
Based, I would hate the shuttle more but since its responsible for nuking those jew astronauts I can't complain too much.

[Anonymous No.11895813]

>>11895783
>Atlas V is the smart girl who ends up doing all the work in the group projects but is still considered weird because she's more interested in getting good grades than she is extracurriculars
>Delta IV Heavy is Atlas' younger sister who's a little dumber but with bigger tits

[Anonymous No.11895817]

>>11895783
>starship the qt thicc girl who has filled out waay ahead of the rest of her class

[Anonymous No.11895820]

>>11895797
do you mean general launch or do you mean NASA mission?
because I haven't checked but I bet it's a Starlink launch for the first

[Anonymous No.11895823]

[Anonymous No.11895824]

>>11895820
I mean a NASA probe, rover, or orbiter

[Anonymous No.11895826]

>>11895813
>>Delta IV Heavy is Atlas' younger sister who's a little dumber but with bigger tits
hot

[Anonymous No.11895833]

>>11895823
FUCK BOING

AND

FUCK URF

[Anonymous No.11895842]

>>11895779
aww, thanks anon

[Anonymous No.11895852]

>>11895842
HOP, DAMMIT

[Anonymous No.11895868]

>>11895807
Fucking hahahah. Bros I have a faulty O-Ring I think I’m gonna.......

[Anonymous No.11895873]

>>11895833
Fuck urf is one of the funniest things to come out of /sfg/ recently. I really like Earth (to an extent) but the only sapient species happens to also be fucking retarded techno apes who only care about skin color. I can’t wait to get to Mars

[Anonymous No.11895882]

>>11895203
We stand where we are today because NASA flew a terrible vehicle for 30 years and killed 14 astronauts with its incompetence.

[Anonymous No.11895889]

>>11895797
UAE Amal probe launching on Wednesday

[Anonymous No.11895895]

>>11895813
>>11895826
>Delta II is the blue-haired weird girl who wears extra layers all the time like a sperg but has done a lot or volunteering and outreach
>Soyuz is the qt trad Russian exchange student who has a thick accent
>Angara is Soyuz’s best friend who is younger than her and is also a psycho. She’s only been to school twice.
>The Long March Sisters are Chinese exchange students who always get in trouble because they run over pedestrians and cheat on tests, but they’re parents are Chinese nationals so they get away with it.
>H-2A is the Japanese girl who acts all Kawaii and likes De Geso videos
>H-2B is H-2A’s sister who is taller and is way bustier than her. All the boys like her because she’s THICC.
> New Glenn is the new girl who’s father is a rich lawyer who always posts on social media that she’s coming to school, but never had any pictures of herself. She’s apparently very tall and is enemies with everyone else.
>Falcon Heavy is Falcon 9’s cousin. She’s the same height but is rather chubby, but luckily it’s in all the right places. While Falcon 9 is a STICC with B cups, Falcon heavy is the same height and has DD’s.

[Anonymous No.11895910]

>>11895807
>The birds are singing, the flowers are blooming, my o-ring is throbbing
>What a beautiful day for explooding
>Good morning, NASA management!
>I've been on the launch pad for twenty whole seconds and I haven't explooded yet!
>It's time to light up my hydromeme engines and ignite my foam-strike aluminum spewing side-mounted flying brick deathtrap with my go-fevered doomfist once again!
>I-Is t-that s..some cold air ..?.. aUGH.. I..I must launch.. LAUNCH nnGH.. aAH.. OOH.. O..OH GOD.. aGH.. UUG..AUUG.. OH FUCK.. AAUNnNGH.. NNGH.. WAOUUGHH.. *flames impinging on tank* .. AUUGHH.. I'M ...EXPLOOOOOOOODING! *EXPLOOD*

[Anonymous No.11895911]

>>11895882
Yes, I’m not arguing against that. Shuttle was ass. But it probably (at least partly) inspired people like Elon to make more competent vehicles with modern technology. It’s the butterfly effect; shitty vehicle from the past leads to good vehicle in modern time. Had shuttle been amazing and SLS been cheap Elon might not even be in the game and we’d have to wait till like 2070 to get a NASA Mars colony

[Anonymous No.11895914]

>>11895895
drawfags need to get on this. we can use rocket-tans to lure elon to sfg for space-based banter and boeing hating.

[Anonymous No.11895919]

>>11895910
lmfao

[Anonymous No.11895925]

>>11895914

I unironically imagine New Shepard being pic related. Feisty, short, bad anger issues, kinda cute though.

[Anonymous No.11895928]

updated without retard capslock

[Anonymous No.11895951]

>>11895914
>>11895895

[Anonymous No.11895953]

>>11895081
> It turns out that the thermal cycles associated with filling the tank could crack the foam, especially in areas where there were two or more layers of foam. This never showed up in the partial panel tests; it only showed up when we “tested” a complete tank.
They crunched numbers and experimented in labs for two years and fixed everything except the proper issue, almost killing another seven people.
Then they put 1(one) actual test tank on a test stand once, fuel it once and inspect that and find obvious issues immediately.
Jesus Christ.
It‘s even worse because you‘d think they would‘ve done something similar at any point during 40 years of development and operation. But nope. Never once fueled a tank on a stand and inspected the foam before. QA at its worst.

[Anonymous No.11895964]

>>11895873
>retarded techno apes who only care about skin color
>Implying the colour of their skin is the issue and not their behaviour

Wew lad

[Anonymous No.11895968]

>>11895953
and they're building another multi billion dollar shitfest with these same parts.

[Anonymous No.11895977]

>>11895723
I‘ll try. We won‘t need ears where we‘re going anyway.

[Anonymous No.11895981]

>>11895964
evolution stops at the epidermis

[Anonymous No.11895986]

>>11895873
>Evolution doesn’t exist haha

[Anonymous No.11895995]

>>11895964
I guess I meant both. I deleted my twitter account because I only follow space people, but all the posts & replies have started becoming “#BLM... human spaceflight bad... musk man bad.... this money would be better spent on welfare for poor black kids”
Like what the fuck, leave America if you don’t like it? (for reference I’m from Iceland and I don’t really follow American politics too closely, but Trump definitely doesn’t seem like the “bad guy”. It’s retards like AOC)

[Anonymous No.11896002]

>>11895995
Don’t worry Elon is PopSci now. BasedFags hate him but are programmed to like his stuff because of Reddit.

[Anonymous No.11896013]

>>11895889
*anal probe

[Anonymous No.11896068]

>>11895911
>nasa mars colony
>mars colony
more like 7 man research outpost

[Anonymous No.11896101]

>And one last bittersweet thought: When I came to work at NASA shortly before STS-1, space cadet that I was, I thought we would do this ‘shuttle’ thing for a couple of years, then assemble the space station as an embarkation point, and then head out for permanent outposts on the moon and to Mars and other places in the solar system.
heheheheheheh

[Anonymous No.11896114]

>>11896101
Now I have to go to bed sad again

[Anonymous No.11896121]

>talking with spacefag friend about Mars and Spacex
>we are both super hype
>bro you gotta read the Mars series by Kim Stanley Robinson, its basically like a how to guide for settling Mars
>had heard about it, was kinda hype
>50% verbal diarrhoea, 20% social commentary, 20% robots doing everything, 10% humans actually building things and interactions with each other

Read for mild entertainment, don't read for serious. 6/10, was kind of funny watching the reds blow up greennigger terraforming projects and making globohomo earthniggers seethe.

[Anonymous No.11896124]

>>11896101
This is what people unironically thought would happen. We’d do the shuttle for a decade or so then build a station with it then use it to put together our mars and lunar vehicles.

>>11896121
Everyone tells me to read the Mars trilogy but I always got bored on the first book. I ended up reading the LA Confidential books instead and just pretended it took place on Mars.

[Anonymous No.11896130]

>>11896121
>>11896124
Edgar Rice Burroughs' Barsoom books > any other mars sci-fi
don't @ me

[Anonymous No.11896134]

>>11896121
It's more a commentary on how fucked up people are and the human condition than about colonizing Mars really.

[Anonymous No.11896141]

>>11895562
Fuck you Reagan

[Anonymous No.11896149]

>>11896141
>”Fuck you reagan”

[Anonymous No.11896157]

>>11896149
>defending Reagan
Back to Facebook boomer

[Anonymous No.11896160]

>>11896157
Reagan was a chad who BTFO leftoids

[Anonymous No.11896165]

>watch the Mars series on netflix
>white captain dies first after trying to save the rest of the crew
>the remaining rag tag [ETHNIC SLUR REDACTED] filled crew is constantly grating against each other in an unsurprisingly undisciplined manner
based netflix telling it how it is

[Anonymous No.11896173]

>>11896160
>turning California into Mexico to own the libs

[Anonymous No.11896174]

>>11896157
Yeah I’m sure Obama and Clinton and Biden are much better for the space program unlike evil Trump who supports SpaceX.

>>11896165
Most “realistic” space movies are shit because they overplay drama. Most space missions are “boring” by normal person standards.

[Anonymous No.11896178]

>>11896174
>Trump who supports SpaceX
More like coasting on their success. Commercial crew wasn't made by him and newsflash not a single president gives a fuck about NASA or space

[Anonymous No.11896180]

>>11895722
>>11895753
The murder/k/ube!

[Anonymous No.11896191]

>>11896174
Sounds terribly exciting to ascend to the heavens and explore alien worlds. Hopefully in the far future, there will be wars amongst the stars to ensure adventure, fun, and excitement

[Anonymous No.11896195]

>>11896191
yeah, fuck the faggots who want peace.

[Anonymous No.11896197]

>>11896178
Prove that no president gives a fuck.

[Anonymous No.11896198]

This lil guy is going to be amazing

[Anonymous No.11896203]

>>11896178
>not a single president gives a fuck about NASA or space

Thank Christ we have capitalism and private industry.

>>11896191
I mean it’s exciting to people like us but your average CONSOOMER expects space to be like Star Wars.

I’d love to watch a movie about a random mission to the ISS where nothing goes wrong and everyone goes home but I’d guarantee people would call it boring.

[Anonymous No.11896208]

>>11896160
>gives amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants
>lmao libs btfo

[Anonymous No.11896216]

>>11896203
>Thank Christ we have capitalism and private industry

Taking billions and billions of dollars in government contracts is not private industry just because you also service the commercial market. I like Spacex too but pretending they are some glorious freehold enterprise is kind of laughable, they wouldn't even exist without the government, same with every single space program back to the 60s.

[Anonymous No.11896233]

>>11896216
Sorry your launch failed Chang

[Anonymous No.11896252]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD2LPYcKrsQ
why worry bros

[Anonymous No.11896267]

>>11896252
Jesus why was the shuttle so JUSTED.

Aside from its two failures there’s been like what a dozen or so “Oh shit we almost died’s”. Jesus.

Also what about Starship? Sure she lacks SRBs but not she sits on top of a massive first stage and has a giant tank of its own.

[Anonymous No.11896317]

>>11896233
Calling me chang is not an argument, schlomo.

[Anonymous No.11896326]

>>11896267
The shittle failure modes are pretty much all removed due to the way starship is constructed and stacked, heat shield remains somewhat of a problem but I'm pretty sure they will get it right since they have shitloads of starlink flights before they try to fly humans.

[Anonymous No.11896343]

>>11896216
>they wouldn't even exist without the government
by this logic small businesses aren't capitalist because without the strict enforcement of law and regulation, local business would quickly devolve into cartels and rackets.

>inb4 the govt is a cartel

[Anonymous No.11896377]

>>11896343
The government is literally a cartel in every sense of the word you absolute retard.

[Anonymous No.11896386]

>>11896377
There's more than one way to operate a government in a nation. All depend on an underlying threat of force, but a stable government also upholds ideas that its people accede to or identify with and operate under the consent of the people they govern. Extracting control and wealth from people to get what they want is not state craft, and its a farce to compare the two on an equal footing.

[Anonymous No.11896398]

>>11896121
I loved the Mars trilogy. Read it in like 5th grade though so can't really comment on the quality. I just remember sam the botany guy and nadia working on hydrology. The phobos shit was cool too. And the glass canal. It's a good series.

[Anonymous No.11896410]

>>11896198
Isn‘t it just a proof-of-concept? Come back in 25 years when the follow-up is an actual, full-on helicopter probe.
By the way, what‘s the status on that Titancopter? Is that actually moving forward?

[Anonymous No.11896413]

>>11895723
Yeah, why not, South Padre is a day trip for me, and they should have more viewing areas by then. Especially if it's off-season for the beaches.
>>11895953
The real issue was using that CFC-free foam crap, because it was so important to reduce CFCs by another .0001%, just ignore the foam breaking up, bro, it always does that now.
>>11895953
>Never once fueled a tank on a stand and inspected the foam before.
That's how we got Hubble. Nah, we don't need to test it, we know it'll work!
>>11896267
>but no[w] she sits on top of a massive first stage
Exactly like Shuttle didn't. Goodbye o-ring problems. Also fuck solids. And those giant tanks don't have fucking foam on them either. None of those fragile snowflake tiles for the foam to break anyhow.

[Anonymous No.11896429]

>>11896413
>None of those fragile snowflake tiles for the foam to break anyhow.
The existing tile mounts need to be tested in experimental flights. Like the Shuttle, they need to make sure they don't shed them in flight.

[Anonymous No.11896443]

>>11896429
The tiles SpaceX wants to use
- are not individual snowflakes, they're all the same
- are not made out of fairy dust and glue
- don't give a fuck if there are a few gaps, it's steel under there, not ez-melt cheese alloy

[Anonymous No.11896454]

>>11896443
>ez-melt cheese alloy
So that's why the tanks are orange and all those projects run over time and budget. They're trying to get rid of all that surplus government "cheese".

[Anonymous No.11896465]

>>11896454

[Anonymous No.11896466]

>>11896413
Didn‘t know they changed the foam in the 90s. Although I guess it would‘ve been hard to keep sourcing CFC foam with the entire world seizing production at the time.

[Anonymous No.11896474]

>>11896443
To be fair, Shuttle tiles weren‘t mounted on a cryogenic tank. We‘ll see if it‘s going to be easy.

[Anonymous No.11896488]

chinese newspace company tiSpace
took them 2 months to build their mobile launcher

[Anonymous No.11896491]

>>11896474
They weren't mounted with bolts either. They were mounted with freaking super glue.

[Anonymous No.11896493]

UAE Hope Mars orbiter on it's way to STACC
launch is tomorrow, a few minutes before Falcon 9

[Anonymous No.11896508]

>>11896493
how many minutes apart

[Anonymous No.11896511]

>>11896466
Ceasing. Seizing would imply everyone stole from one another.

[Anonymous No.11896513]

>>11896508
8 minutes 33 seconds

[Anonymous No.11896514]

>>11896513
KSC is currently gay, so probably getting scrubbed.

[Anonymous No.11896518]

is it any good lads?

[Anonymous No.11896520]

>>11896514
i wish the US had more than one launch site that gets regular use. China has 4. yeah the US has wallops, vandenberg, etc., but launches from those sites don't happen often.

[Anonymous No.11896525]

>>11896520
Downsides of giving a fuck about your population and countryside.

[Anonymous No.11896528]

>>11896520
39A has a legacy.

[Anonymous No.11896529]

>>11896443
>- are not individual snowflakes, they're all the same
No less than three tiles are needed for the regular sections of the hull. One for the cylindrical portion of the body, two for the nose. The flight surfaces will require additional tiles for their shapes as well.
>- are not made out of fairy dust and glue
They also need to withstand a much wider thermal range (deep cryo, and much higher reentry velocities than the spaces shuttle).
>- don't give a fuck if there are a few gaps, it's steel under there, not ez-melt cheese alloy
Good thing too, because there's no way for SpaceX to eliminate all of the gaps from the wide thermal expansion range of stainless steel.

[Anonymous No.11896531]

in case of an incoming solar flare, what procedures does the ISS do?

[Anonymous No.11896533]

>>11896511
I didn‘t sleep enough. I keep messing up homonyms when I‘m sleepy.

[Anonymous No.11896538]

TSLA at 1,623.
Wtf, we're going to mars.

[Anonymous No.11896539]

>>11896533
*homophones

[Anonymous No.11896543]

>>11896538
Which one gets us more money for Mars, Tesla or Starlink?

[Anonymous No.11896544]

>>11896538
that money is only for tesla corporation right?

[Anonymous No.11896545]

>>11896533
>>11896539
cease and sieze neither mean the same thing nor sound the same
siezing producting could technically imply a freeze in production, but there are no homo words that fit this pairing

[Anonymous No.11896579]

>>11896544
That money is only when you sell your stock at that price.

[Anonymous No.11896587]

https://twitter.com/roscosmos/status/1282629967688486912

Spaceport in construction...

[Anonymous No.11896593]

>>11896543
Starlink, Tesla is way too concerned with expanding production, legal BS like dealership laws, trying to up production, build new gigafactories, and constantly trying to improve batteries, software etc. With Starlink, once the sats are good enough you just throw them up and start charging for services. Any new improvements, just throw them up on the next batch

[Anonymous No.11896596]

>>11896587
But Ivan, where is hole?

[Anonymous No.11896599]

You can't launch rocket without launchhole

[Anonymous No.11896606]

>>11896531
i don't know but the iss doesn't have a storm shelter. if they're not protected by the magnetosphere to some extent plus the substantial shielding on the station, then they always have a crew capsule ready for emergency evac i guess

[Anonymous No.11896608]

>>11896606
Damn. Are the crew capsules even shielded for those? Isn't it that any electrical components are vulerable?

[Anonymous No.11896621]

>>11896596
imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.11896629]

>>11896531
Sit inside the magnetosphere of planet earth and enjoy the lightshow.

[Anonymous No.11896630]

>combined American industry, sparked by Elon Musk, could put a rocket on the moon within a year

[Anonymous No.11896632]

>>11896629
I'm concerned about ISS electronics

[Anonymous No.11896637]

>>11896587
Horry sheeit, is that flame trench?

[Anonymous No.11896639]

>>11896637
https://www.roscosmos.ru/26799/

Here you go, /sfg/

[Anonymous No.11896644]

>>11896160
>Bans machine guns

[Anonymous No.11896679]

>>11896398
>The phobos shit was cool too
>Nadia, activate ze phobos

[Anonymous No.11896691]

>>11896679
Based Arkadynoff poster, fuck the UN and fuck urf.

[Anonymous No.11896711]

>>11896488
They are Taiwanese, actually.

[Anonymous No.11896720]

>>11896711
Chinese shills will always claim WAN CHINA.

[Anonymous No.11896739]

>>11896326
even if they get it right that doesn't mean that there will be never a failure
also without an abort system it could always do a challanger

[Anonymous No.11896791]

>>11896608
There is a special grading for electrical components, like industrial, automotive, ect... The part has to survive and function within certain tolerances. There is a space-grade standard, and so long as the parts are approved for space use, they can withstand x amount of radiation.

[Anonymous No.11896794]

>>11896791
Maybe then can under normal space circumstances but can they withstand a carrington-class event

[Anonymous No.11896797]

>>11896791
For example:
https://www.microchip.com/design-centers/aerospace-and-defense/radiation-tolerant

[Anonymous No.11896808]

>>11896794
It depends on the levels of radiation and the hardiness of the electronics. There are a ton of factors including the grade of parts, extra shielding in the electronic modules, wether it has power applied to it, and so on.
Realistically, something can be built to survive such an event.

[Anonymous No.11896850]

>>11896518
It’s literally all math. Too much for me to handle, but if you enjoy calculating stuff by hand for your KSP missions it should be enjoyable
>>11896739
I think if Starship fails it will be more like Soyuz 1 (the parachute didn’t deploy and Komarov was slammed into the Earth and was killed). If starship fucks up its landing burn it’s going to crash into the ground and kill everyone. I think the heat shield and stainless steel body will make it super safe for reentry heating unlike shuttle which had so many possibilities for compromises

[Anonymous No.11896853]

>>11896850
Hmmm yeah I expect at LEAST one of the early Starship launches to blow up on the pad. Of course it will most likely be a Starlink launch, but it will be really bad for optics. Especially because Starship is flying Artemis landers and human Starships. I just pray Elon can get the thing to be as safe as possible

[Anonymous No.11896875]

>>11896637
Is both flame trench and skateboard park. Fun, da?
>>11896632
LEO is not that much worse than being on the surface. You're still inside the Van Allen belts, where the fucking magnetism goes.

[Anonymous No.11896883]

Holyshit
Musk is worth nearly $100B right now

[Anonymous No.11896892]

>>11896883
I assume he's going to cash out all his stocks right before he gets ready to go to Mars. If SJW culture is still thick in a few years they are going to hate him when he becomes a trillionaire

[Anonymous No.11896905]

>>11896883
Imagine if he bought Disney and Amazon down the line and destroyed Soros foundation, ending SJW menace. Fighting capitalism with its own means.

[Anonymous No.11896973]

So when are the static fires? They want to hop this week, right?

[Anonymous No.11896979]

>I sold at 800

[Anonymous No.11896990]

>>11895722
Why don’t they use concrete? Its hevaier and probably cheaper than steel.

[Anonymous No.11896996]

>>11895750
Starship is male.
>THE BIG ELON STAR ENABLED ME TO CHEAT DEATH, HOW CAN THIS BE?

[Anonymous No.11897016]

>>11896596
In the country's budget

[Anonymous No.11897038]

>>11896990
Concrete is not denser than steel. Concrete specific gravity is around 3, steel specific gravity is around 8.
Concrete STRUCTURES are heavier than steel structures because concrete is significantly weaker and you need to use a lot more to get the same strength as steel.

[Anonymous No.11897039]

>>11896410
It's built and heading to mars in 17 days.
Too bad its gonna land on a rock and tip over in the first 30 seconds

[Anonymous No.11897050]

>>11896973
Wednesday at the earliest now

[Anonymous No.11897069]

>>11896520
We could have as many as we want out in the gulf, but only Elon seems to be serious about that.

[Anonymous No.11897087]

>>11897039
>thinking its gonna get off the launchpad
very optimistic there

[Anonymous No.11897094]

>>11897038
>specific gravity
Had never heard that term. I looked it up and it is relative density, that makes a lot more sense.
What a cursed term.

[Anonymous No.11897095]

>>11897087
Still would be flying higher than SLS

[Anonymous No.11897106]

>>11895344
Columbians got to go to space, their dream came true and they got to live out the highest honor in their life

Challengers got everything taken from them in the final moments of reciprocation

[Anonymous No.11897111]

>>11894470
>Get home from the grocery store
>Park in the inspection platforms

[Anonymous No.11897125]

Based, hit this lady up if you're interested in NTP

Meeting today:
https://www.nationalacademies.org/event/07-13-2020/space-nuclear-propulsion-technologies-committee-meeting-7-industry-perspectives-on-nep-ntp

[Anonymous No.11897128]

>>11897016
Wohoooooo!

"tzzzz"

[Anonymous No.11897132]

***NEW THREAD***

>>11897129

>>11897129

>>11897129

>>11897129

>>11897129

[Anonymous No.11897142]

>>11897087
>Atlas V
>zero launch failures
they should be good

[Anonymous No.11897255]

>Israel launches rockets retrograde to avoid overflying arabs
Huh, the more you know.

[Anonymous No.11897301]

>>11896410
>By the way, what‘s the status on that Titancopter? Is that actually moving forward?
as of now, yes