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11879243 No.11879243 [Reply] [Original]

If a Dyson Sphere was even possible, then how would be of any fucking use to a civilisation? You can't exactly run wires from it

>> No.11879255

>>11879243
based brainman

>> No.11879274

>>11879243

This is clearly a troll, but ok, i'll bite.

If you have a civilization that can harness the power of a star, wires would be considered ancient technology.

>> No.11879278

>>11879243
Just zoom the power from the sun to your iPhone XXXIV

>> No.11879282

>>11879243
Build on the surface.

>> No.11879348
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>>11879274
>a believer in the dyson sphere meme
Even if it was possible to build, a dyson sphere would be an absolutely pointless construction because stars /are stars/ due to the Birkeland currents flowing to them and powering them (they are not internally powered). Building a shell around a star, enclosing the star within the shell and sealing it off, would cut off the stars power supply and cause the star to cease to exist. It wouldn't shine any longer - /it would no longer be a star/. Hence the entire dyson sphere would be utterly pointless.

You would be much better off trying to build some huge (star size or even larger) structure which can harness energy directly from the cosmic Birkeland currents.

Pic related: https://www.plasma-universe.com/birkeland-current/
Archived: https://archive.is/QYakP

>> No.11879421

>>11879274
Cool story, I'm eager to hear your alternative. Some spaceships that go to and fro with rechargeable batteries perhaps?

>> No.11879440

>>11879348
Youre telling me the fusion in a star is not powered by its gravity and mass.

>> No.11879531

>>11879440
It's the EU retard who's been spamming the board for the past month

>> No.11879651 [DELETED] 
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>>11879440
Correct. It's powered by Birkeland currents. SAFIRE has over the last few years 100% confirmed the Electric Sun model experimentally in the laboratory. The experiment set out to test whether the Electric Sun model was correct or not, and it passed all (100%) of the tests and all (100%) of the predictions flawlessly, and matches up with the observed behavior of the Sun. This is in stark contrast to the Standard Model of the Sun which still hasn't been confirmed (and still leaves scientists today full of wonder and disagreements and surprises), and which nobody has been able to build a functioning model of in a lab.

Nuclear fusion does indeed occur in a star, but not in it's core. Fusion is an effect which occurs in plasma at the surface of the sun.

To learn more about the Electric Sun model (not just the Sun, all stars are powered the same way), see: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwOAYhBuU3UdAwCXUCvl23_5DOjGMPq7d

For information on SAFIRE:

They've already proven the electrical model of the Sun and it passed all (100%) of the tests and predictions flawlessly and matches up with observed behavior of the Sun. Fusion is generated on the Sun at its surface (and in that process; elements are created and transmutated), not in its core. The Sun is now 100% experimentally confirmed to not be powered internally.

https://www.safireproject.com/ (their old website)
https://www.safireproject.com/science/ewExternalFiles/SAFIRE-Phase-Three.pdf

https://aureon.ca/ (their new website)

https://aureon.ca/science-of-safire
https://aureon.ca/methodology
https://aureon.ca/experiment-results
https://aureon.ca/reactor
https://aureon.ca/theory
https://aureon.ca/movies

Some additional helpful info about SAFIRE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J6HDQLicWI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L69ttX3kviw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h49AbVfI7KU
https://www.youtube.com/user/ThunderboltsProject/search?query=safire

>> No.11879660
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11879660

>>11879440
Correct. It's powered by Birkeland currents. SAFIRE has over the last few years 100% confirmed the Electric Sun model experimentally in the laboratory. The experiment set out to test whether the Electric Sun model was correct or not, and it passed all (100%) of the tests and all (100%) of the predictions flawlessly, and matches up with the observed behavior of the Sun. This is in stark contrast to the Standard Model of the Sun which still hasn't been confirmed (and still leaves scientists today full of wonder and disagreements and surprises), and which nobody has been able to build a functioning model of in a lab.

Nuclear fusion does indeed occur in a star, but not in it's core. Fusion is an effect which occurs in plasma at the surface of the sun.

To learn more about the Electric Sun model (not just the Sun, all stars are powered the same way), see: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwOAYhBuU3UdAwCXUCvl23_5DOjGMPq7d

For information on SAFIRE:

https://www.safireproject.com/ (their old website)
https://www.safireproject.com/science/ewExternalFiles/SAFIRE-Phase-Three.pdf

https://aureon.ca/ (their new website)

https://aureon.ca/science-of-safire
https://aureon.ca/methodology
https://aureon.ca/experiment-results
https://aureon.ca/reactor
https://aureon.ca/theory
https://aureon.ca/movies

Some additional helpful info about SAFIRE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J6HDQLicWI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L69ttX3kviw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h49AbVfI7KU
https://www.youtube.com/user/ThunderboltsProject/search?query=safire

>> No.11879667

>>11879348
>>11879651
Then you just build a Dyson electric antenna. Don't you plz ruin cool things.

>> No.11879669

>>11879348
>>11879651

But you don’t _have_ to build a literal closed off sphere around the star. Rings, interconnected rings, mesh networks, etc

>> No.11879689

>>11879660
Part of what SAFIRE has accomplished in their reactor is the isotopic transmutation of elements using free protons and the energy available in the plasma double layers. SAFIRE adds trace amounts of heavier elements which become ionized rapidly when exposed to all those free protons. As they make their way into the plasma double layers, those heavier elements are caught in the turbulence between layers. Turbulent plasma amplifies the magnetic fields and in those crushing fields transmutation takes place. SAFIRE isn't creating fusion by fusing Deuterium and Tritium into Helium. They are instead using the free protons and the plasma double layers to induce transmutation which liberates a massive amounts of heat in the process.

>> No.11879708

>>11879348

The idea behind dyson sphere is to harness its power, meaning the candle that is the star will go off, so it doesn't matter about the condition of said star.

Also, there are many concepts of a dyson sphere that don't fully enclose a star

>>11879421

The thing would be one big battery, yes.

Good for supplying a fleet for long interstellar journeys, or a big colony, or whatever, anything

>> No.11879774

>>11879243
If you can manage to entirely cover a star in metal you sure as shit can manage to run a large wire from it as well

>> No.11879789

>>11879348
based /x/ poster.
If there was a genre we can call /xci/, this is in the 1st edition

>> No.11879791

>>11879774
fucking kek

>> No.11879807
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>>11879660
>>11879348

This dyson chain, connecting the outer solar system with the inner solar system harvesting the current flow.

>> No.11879811

>>11879348
/x/ is that way bitch

>> No.11879824

>>11879807
i made you the dyson chain so you dont need to ruin the very cool concept of harvesting the sun.

>> No.11879834

>>11879689
safire is bullshit and will never amount to anything.

>> No.11879840

>>11879348
Tell me EUtard, have you actually managed to convince anyone here to take your pseudointellectual posturing seriously yet?

>> No.11879858

>>11879840
>Pseudo
Funny way of spelling Non

>> No.11879917

>>11879840
Yeah they are not so cool as Cern and the god particle and the inventions the created with there billions of dollars listed here:


Also projects like ITER assured me just recently, that fusion isnt all the time always 30 years away anymore. Like people always joke. Its 25 now.

Also i have a very significant questions, which can be answered by EU retards. Do you believe useless bloodlines vanish, biological speaking cause they are evolutionary useless?

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11879941

>>11879282
Would the gravity of such a structure be conducive to building?

>> No.11879968

>>11879243
Dyson Swarms are far more effective.

>> No.11879977
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11879977

>>11879348
Dude we already have Dyson hairdryers
The technology is there *right now*
It’s just a matter of time

>> No.11879983

>>11879941
Is being an obnoxious cumbrain conducive to posting?

>> No.11880581

>>11879243
>>11879274
The thing is what do you get from building a dyson sphere that you won't get from pointing collectors at the star directly? Stars radiate in electromagnetic radiation, which isn't particularly inconvenient and makes the sphere look like an unnecessary middle step.

>> No.11880586

>>11880581
>that you won't get from pointing collectors at the star directly
thats what it is tho

>> No.11880591

>>11880586
I mean from where you need the energy. Dyson sphere doesn't do anything useful except gathering energy and converting it to - energy?

>> No.11880632

>>11879348
is there any truth to this electric sun model?
seems to me like this is the same deranged /x/ migrant that has been spamming every single physics thread lately

>> No.11880656

>>11879243
Laser beams

>> No.11880713

>>11879243
Galactic zoo with biospheres copied from all over galaxy in one location

>> No.11880715

>>11879348
>ven if it was possible to build, a dyson sphere would be an absolutely pointless construction
Vanity projects are a thing too anon.
And don't forget that we detected dozens of Dyson Sphere candidates

>> No.11880743

>>11879243
You are able to cook your body with the Sun being at 150 millions km. Now imagine what we were closest.

>> No.11881305

>>11879243
Hey! Spoilers!

>> No.11882614

>>11879348
lol wat

>> No.11882667

>>11880591
you just build whatever you're doing that needs energy right along with the collectors in orbit around the star

>> No.11882919
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11882919

>>11880581
>>11880591
new to the thread, I dedicated 1000 hours of my life to making this diagram in MS paint in order to help you understand

if anyone sees this post on the main page and is thinking about checking the thread out, don't. it's just a poorly-executed bait by some /x/-tier pseud shilling his "electric sun hypothesis" (i wish i were joking)

>> No.11882991

>>11882667
Exactly.
>>11882919
You can't do that, the Earth would evaporate.

>> No.11883365

>>11879834
except making gold and any other element they want, yeah, nothing

>> No.11883465 [DELETED] 

>>11879660
>>11879834
>>11883365
The EU crap most likely is, but so is standard hot fusion. The stars might burn hydrogen indirectly through cycling heavier elements and beta decay, rather than directly. (Such as lead - bismuth - polinium - astatine = lead + He)

>> No.11883483

>>11879660
>>11879834
>>11883365
The EU crap most likely is, but so is standard hot fusion. The stars might burn hydrogen indirectly through cycling heavier elements, rather than directly. Such as cycling back and forth around lead, bismuth, thalium, with the helium coming from alpha decay of the heavier elements, rather than being fused directly.

>> No.11883515

>>11883365
except they wont ever be able to do this because EU is false

>> No.11883547

>>11883483
mostly C, N and O. This is called the CNO-cycle and happens at temperatures higher than in the sun. If it was warmer, the CNO cycle contribution of the fusion of hydrogen would quickly overtake the pp-chain with increasing temperature.
Both fusion process contributions are neatly measurable by neutrino flux and temperature.

>> No.11883552

>>11879278
More like iPhone MMMLIV

>> No.11883648

>>11879243
It's one of those "sci-fi authors/thinkers assume that the tech will exist in the future" kind of things. Basically if your civilization is capable of building a dyson sphere, then they would have the capability to store and distribute it. Dyson spheres are kind of dumb anyways, because the gravitational forces involved would tear the superstructure apart.

Dyson swarms are where it's really at, and hypothetically a dyson swarm would be able to direct the harvested energy to a large collector in GEO where it could be stored in massive battery banks and further distributed by directed energy collectors and battery banks to the end user.

All of this is moot if humans can ever find a way to make sustainable net positive fusion reactions though, because then it would be more efficient to just build fusion reactors in human settlements rather than some convoluted scheme to direct energy from the sun to Earth.

>> No.11883780

>>11879243
A 'dyson sphere' is not a thing. What Freeman Dyson was envisioning was more or less a swarm of solar satellites and space habitats enclosing a star

>> No.11885642

>>11879421
Obviously the most sophisticated mode of transmitting energy across planetary distances is by firing it as a city-sized laser.

>> No.11885885

>>11883365
Nope. They could do it for 30 years and the amount generated wouldn't be enough to be even visible. Let me know when they can turn ingots of led into gold.

>> No.11886321

>>11883648
>direct energy from the sun to Earth
You're thinking way too small. You don't build it just for fun or because it's cool. By the time you're anywhere close to a practical need for a dyson sphere/swarm/whatever most of your industry is already long in space, and population probably as well, and most of other energy sources in the solar system are already utilized for the decent part (that's why you need a dyson sphere in the first place duh) and Earth is notable, but not really that important flyover place in the great scheme of things to require any noticeable part of the harvested energy.

>> No.11886664

>>11879348
Congratulations. This is the most schizophrenic thing I have ever read on both /sci/ and /x/. This level of insanity would make El Arcon take a step back or two and revel in the inconsistency. Motherfucking W H A T ? !

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>>11879348
>>11879660
Fucking hell, take your meds you absolute schizo

>> No.11887556

>>11879789
>If there was a genre we can call /xci/,
I'd love such a board.
I want to have a serious discussion about the UFO phenomenon, but every time i go to /x/ i only get to talk to schizos, flat-earth tards, religious nuts, etc.

>> No.11887849

>>11879531
>yank cope
\_/ <- use this to collect your tears, i'll buy your fave mcdonalds menu for it

>> No.11887874

>>11879243
We can already charge phones without a wire directly connected to it.

>> No.11887887

>>11887849
Other EU, genius