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Is the idea that 2 + 2 = 4 cultural?

>> No.11878015

>>11878011
Yes.
t. math PhD

>> No.11878018

Yes, it's western/arabic tradition that this collection of symbols constitutes a true logical phrase.

>> No.11878021

>>11878011
Yes. For many sub-saharan peoples 2+2=1, because they practice addition modulo 3 as their default.

>> No.11878026

>>11878011
Kind of, it is based on definitions, the same way that a screw driver is cultural or a hammer is cultural. But that diesnt mean that it is arbitrary or pointless, they still have applications in the real world.

>> No.11878054

>>11878011
>t. <1=1 believer

>> No.11878062

>>11878011
This is the essence of Jewry, anything goes, logic and reality does not exist. Anything is relative, everything and anything is real etc.

>> No.11878125

>>11878011
Dunno man, when I do 1 + 1 with my fingers I get two fingers
When I sum these two fingers with another two of the same hand I get 4 fingers but not everyone has at least 4 finger in each hand
For example in some parts of Africa it's really easy to loose some fingers so yes 2+2=4 seems a cultural thing

>> No.11878200

>>11878011
yes. in my culture we have that 2 + 2 = 3.999...

>> No.11878202

>>11878200
So 2+2 = 4 then

>> No.11878229

I mean that depends on what you mean. Obviously the symbolic representation is cultural, and perhaps less obviously a human's relationship to the object 2+2 = 4 is cultural (which might be what is meant by "the idea of 2+2 = 4." Moreover, the adoption of the axioms from which one proves 2+2 = 4 is a cultural choice. But the identity as an abstract mathematical object is independent of human existence.

>> No.11878230

>>11878200
based float arithmetic

>> No.11878264

Is this troll. Becouse this is exactly what happened in Orwell's 1984. But here is my math 1+1=3. Why, you ask. I tell you why: a woman and a man, then a father and a mother and a child. 1+1=3.

>> No.11878296

Why don't you ask her to elaborate instead of making your daily autistic screeching on your thailandese basket weaving forum?

>> No.11878305

>>11878264
Kek

>> No.11878309

>>11878011
I'm from an Asian country. How can this woman refute an objective truth like basic arithmetic and mix it up with social issues? What goes on in this woman's head when she makes a stupid statement like this? Are Americans really so dumb and shameless?

>> No.11878314

>>11878011
>a random nobody on twitter said something I don't agree with
>this means Western civilization is collapsing REEEEEEEEEE
>be outraged white man they took science away from you

>> No.11878315

>>11878309
Goodness, you're irredeemable. Have you no respect for philosophical epistemology?

>> No.11878328

>>11878309
Ok chink, here's your chance to prove you are not bugmen. Propose what her reasoning was.

>> No.11878364

>>11878328
>Propose what her reasoning was
I don't get it. It's complete nonsense. You can call me dumb or a bug for saying that.

>> No.11878370

>>11878011
Was the world always this dumb but we just now have a way for stupidity to be broadcasted so it seems more prevalent

>> No.11878409

>>11878370
Stupid people have likely always existed. I suspect that the prevalence of this particular brand of loud, outspoken idiot is a symptom of certain factors that weren’t present in previous eras. Poor education, indoctrination, and weak social structure empowers and emboldens these uninformed anti intellectuals to continue spewing their rhetoric. Social media for example gives any fool a platform and an audience, and there’s nothing in place to curb the spread of foolish ideas. I think the crux of the issue is that there is litte to no barrier to access to modern technologies. So while in the past, someone like the woman in OP picture would be limited to a small sphere of influence, now she (and those like her) can immediately transmit their poorly formed and unrefined ideas to a mass of other fools who act as vectors for the spread of idiocy. There’s an effectively limitless mass of poor thinkers out there and stupid ideas spread like disease through the herd.

>> No.11878416
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>>11878011
Yes. #DecolonizeSTEM #AbolishWhites

>> No.11878432

>>11878011
Technically yes but not for the reasons these retards think

>> No.11878997

>>11878296
>screeching
what?

>> No.11879001

>>11878432
>Technically yes
Explain.

>> No.11879006

>>11878018
>confusing use and mention
Embarrassing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use–mention_distinction

>> No.11879015

Yeah, pretty much. From my perspective II + II = IV

>> No.11879151

>>11878328
I am not asian and I have no idea what her reasoning was? Is she even capable of reasoning?

>> No.11879176

>>11878011
In Scotland 2+2=half eight

>> No.11879222

>>11878309
>Are Americans really so dumb
no
>shameless?
yes

>> No.11879241

>>11878011
No, its not cultural. But it is based upon the system in use.

In general we use a base ten system and arabic numerals to represent quantities from 0-9.

So 2+2=4 in a base 10 system or it could be 2+2=10 in a base 4 systems. Than depending on the work you are doing you could factor in uncertainty and error.

>> No.11879257

>>11879006
>The distinction is disputed by Jacques Derrida.

Of course that fucking hack would...

>> No.11879299

>>11878011
not really. the cultural concepts derived from it might be, but in the same way that language can be seperated from culture - so mathematics can and is thus in some sense a universal language.

>> No.11879705

>>11878409
I'm not sure if this makes me feel better or worse lol

>> No.11879716

>>11878011
No, but women having right to vote is
To be precise it's relatively recent product of western culture and as such it's clearly result of white male privilige.
Abolish womens right to vote.

>> No.11879737

>>11878011
I don't care what you call it, but there are 3 planets between the sun and Mars, which makes Mars the 4th planet. You can say that in any language with any symbols and the essence of the truth is still the same. If you came up with a different answer than you're culture is shit.

>> No.11879809

>>11879257
kek I was literally thinking the same thing

>> No.11879813

>>11879241
see >>11879006
The twattertard clearly wasn't thinking of different base systems

>> No.11879846

>>11878011
Peano axioms and ZFC are a western invention. But then again so is twitter.

>> No.11880153

>>11879716
this guy knows whats up

>> No.11880158

>>11878011
WE WUZ MATHEMATICIANS 'N SHIIIIIET

>> No.11880433

>>11878011
>way of knowing
Unironically what did she mean by this? Is there a different "way of knowing" that yields a different answer?

>> No.11880451

>>11878264
That's actually factually incorrect, since, starting with your presumption ( there being a family implies there's a process involved), the equation would end up being something like:

1[2b+1p]*1[1v](0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 0.4, 0.5, 0.6, 0.7, 0.8, 0.9, 1) / 1m, 2m, 3m, 4m, .....9m= 3

>> No.11880463

>>11878011
This reminds me a lot of the type of stuff that got spouted by the young communists in the cultural revolution in China. Where they would target professors who taught anything vaguely related to western ideas. Since a lot of relativity was pioneered by westerners, they actively destroyed their own scientific progress to forward their communist ideology. Ironic now, considering China is run almost exactly like a corporation now.
>Laws and regulations don't really matter and are subject to change at Xi's whim
>Country literally controlled by Xi and like 6 other dudes who are like a board of directors.
Bet those commies are rolling their graves.

>> No.11880877

>>11878264
Nice

>> No.11880881

>>11878011
She should read Bertrand Russel.

>> No.11880882

>>11878011
2+2 = 22. every one knows that

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>>11880463

Then there's Lysenkoism, postmodernism, and if you want to start with the fucking greeks, the original sophists. Nothing fucking new in +2.5k years, doomed to fight the same brain cancer again and again.

GODDAMMIT I fucking hate nominalists and their ilk so much.

>> No.11880954

>>11878200
What a happy coincidence, we must share the same culture.

>> No.11880955

>>11878011
Indian numbers are racist against Blacks. They keeping the Blacks down.

>> No.11880969

>>11878011
How you react to 2+2 = 4, Pi = 3.14 etc is up to you. However if you want to successfully build computers, aircraft and machines etc you are probably going to have to go with the way nature defines things, as opposed to making up your own.
>No one said life was fair

>> No.11880989

>>11878011
what makes you say that?

>> No.11881009

>>11878125
the ammount of fingers you have is cultural, not the fact that a finger and another finger is still 2 fingers, if i only had 1 finger and only 1 hand then that has 0 baring on the fact that if i went and found another finger, put it next to my 1 finger then thats 2 fingers.

>> No.11881556

>>11878021
You're oppressing computers by not counting it mod 2, where it's 0.

>> No.11881643

in western math there are some assumed axioms that are unprovable and exist solely as definitions to build other frameworks on
for instance 1+1=2 is not provable and simply exists as a definition.

>> No.11881673

>>11881643
S0+S0=SS0 is provable, but SS0=2 is a definition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_axioms

>> No.11881678

>>11878011
ahhh so we are doing this again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14

>> No.11881713

>>11878011
Yes, and QFT is the incarnation of white supremacy and the patriarchy.