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Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:14:03 2020 No.11859078 [Reply] [Original]

QM is pseudoscience. Fuck theoretic physics and fuck pseudoscientific make believe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:14:58 2020 No.11859082 >>11859078 >>>/x/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:18:42 2020 No.11859093 >virtual particles >ghost fields >collapse of the wave function >dark matter/energy >imaginary numbers That's a lot of words for "we don't know what's happening".

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:21:12 2020 No.11859101 >>11859093 retard

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:24:30 2020 No.11859113 Lasers work, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 00:25:33 2020 No.11859118 >>11859078 Is this real?!?

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:03:09 2020 No.11859965

>>11859093
Quantum mechanicists are the modern versions of occult Alchemists. Most of the claimed "knowledge" of so called "quantum mechanics" is simply statistics garnered from experiments. The """predictions""" we can make with QM are simply because we've done it before. Alchemists knew a great deal about the behavior of substances long before modern chemistry was a thing. A model/theory can be wrong yet still adequate for the development of practical applications and technology.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:04:50 2020 No.11859969 File: 3.48 MB, 3600x5040, 1563929826551.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11859113 >lasers don't use real physics guys, they use quantum physics! ?????????

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:05:50 2020 No.11859971 >>11859078 How did they teach the cat to do that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:09:37 2020 No.11859985 File: 21 KB, 499x615, chad16.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >QM is pseudoscience. Fuck theoretic physics and fuck pseudoscientific make believe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:10:14 2020 No.11859987 Name something that is wrong about QM

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:10:39 2020 No.11859988 File: 314 KB, 700x902, chad12.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>virtual particles >>ghost fields >>collapse of the wave function >>dark matter/energy >>imaginary numbers > >That's a lot of words for "we don't know what's happening".

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:11:42 2020 No.11859994 File: 203 KB, 680x315, soy141.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >retard

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:12:45 2020 No.11859997 >>11859987 Indeterminism

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:13:54 2020 No.11860000 >>11859997 That is not wrong. Try again

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:14:23 2020 No.11860004 File: 92 KB, 800x800, soy66.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >That is not wrong. >Try again

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:16:40 2020 No.11860008

>>11859987
The name is wrong which leads to the religious interpretations. Probability is not mechanical, it is statistical. I think some people really can't get over the fact that things might very well be deterministic, but there's just no way in hell for you to prove it without fucking up the system you're looking at

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:19:07 2020 No.11860015 File: 146 KB, 588x823, 1520561758651.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11860004

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:19:42 2020 No.11860016 >>11859969 >eu garbage into the trash it goes

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:20:05 2020 No.11860017 File: 36 KB, 500x500, soy045.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >1520561758651.jpg

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:20:18 2020 No.11860018 >>11860008 Yes, but that doesn't mean QM is wrong. Quite the opposite - it means that it's the closest we can ever actually get to, in which case it's the most scientific theory that can exist about the phenomena being studied.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:21:13 2020 No.11860023 >>11860018 >It's wrong but it doesn't matter, what matters is that it's "scientific"

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:21:19 2020 No.11860024 File: 83 KB, 550x543, 1593824750923.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11860017

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:22:15 2020 No.11860025 File: 104 KB, 640x590, soy67.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >1593824750923.jpg

Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:22:37 2020 No.11860027

>>11860023
It's assuming that it's actually "secretly deterministic" in the first place, which it most likely isnt.
Science is a positivist epistemology. If we can't measure to a greater degree than that, we aren't allowed to talk about what's happening beyond our measurement.

QM is truly, inherently, literally physically non-deterministic. That's reality.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:23:38 2020 No.11860030 File: 284 KB, 785x788, 1588435819872.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11860025

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:23:48 2020 No.11860031 >>11860027 If it's not deterministic it doesn't exist lmao

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:24:58 2020 No.11860034 File: 41 KB, 456x429, soy55.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >1588435819872.png

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:25:10 2020 No.11860036 >>11860031 The universe does not need to be deterministic. If the way the universe works is non deterministic, that's the way it is. You philosophically not liking that, doesn't matter. There is nothing about determinism that must be true a priori.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:26:12 2020 No.11860038 File: 3 KB, 225x225, 1581229866698.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11860034

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:26:35 2020 No.11860039 File: 101 KB, 785x731, k0IGUXx.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11860031 >If it's not deterministic it doesn't exist lmao

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:26:47 2020 No.11860040 >>11860036 Yes, the fact that stuff doesn't happen unless it's caused to

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:26:55 2020 No.11860041 >>11859078 >yeah doc hello? >my electrons seem to be teleporting! help! literal fucking fiction. interesting fiction though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:27:49 2020 No.11860047 File: 260 KB, 1242x1388, chad64.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>yeah doc hello? >>my electrons seem to be teleporting! help! >literal fucking fiction. interesting fiction though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:28:50 2020 No.11860052 File: 66 KB, 390x476, chad102.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >If it's not deterministic it doesn't exist lmao

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:29:02 2020 No.11860053 >>11860040 causation is not determinism.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:29:55 2020 No.11860055 >>11860053 If you prefer, the fact that stuff doesn't happen a certain way unless it's caused to happen in this specific way.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:30:58 2020 No.11860058 File: 225 KB, 680x680, soy84.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >1581229866698.png

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:32:00 2020 No.11860061 File: 119 KB, 608x597, chad115.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Yes, the fact that stuff doesn't happen unless it's caused to

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:37:13 2020 No.11860069 >>11860018 Science is a method, not a religion. Anyone who takes a model to be a part of objective reality is functionally retarded, with all due respect of course

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:39:03 2020 No.11860075 File: 161 KB, 1080x1331, chad85.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Science is a method, not a religion. Anyone who takes a model to be a part of objective reality is functionally retarded, with all due respect of course

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:40:09 2020 No.11860076 Oh it's summer again?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:40:39 2020 No.11860078 LOLOL xD ebin bread /b/ u guyz ROOL

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:41:46 2020 No.11860081 File: 34 KB, 298x224, chad15.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >LOLOL xD ebin bread /b/ u guyz ROOL

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:41:46 2020 No.11860082 >>11860075 god damn, thank you sir, hot chad

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 09:41:48 2020 No.11860083 >>11859078 quantum mechanics is the basis of literally the entire field of chemistry you massive twat

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 10:27:05 2020 No.11860193 >>11860083 >basis >method pick one you massive twat

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 11:01:23 2020 No.11860268 sure jan

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 11:05:35 2020 No.11860278 >>11859965 fuck me if ur not retarded

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 11:12:01 2020 No.11860294 File: 56 KB, 264x258, chad310.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why yes, of course I'm a causal determinist. Why would I even seriously consider indeterminism? That's nonsense.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 11:20:14 2020 No.11860312 >>11859093 QM and dark matter are the worst. Understanding either is as simple as accepting what doesn't make sense.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 2 12:43:11 2020 No.11860562 >>11860294 good shit free willy, hope you find proof that you're in control of what you do to satiate your spiritual cravings

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