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[Anonymous No.11852824]

How do you fight off mental illness with logic if you experience severe physical effects because of the mental illness? I.e. often can't sleep for days, heart pounds for 5+ hours at a time, lose energy and muscles wither, memory problems, problems with concentration, in fight/flight mode, feels like you're dying, extreme fear even though your conscious logical mind knows you aren't in any real danger

[Anonymous No.11852825]

use logic to take pills

[Anonymous No.11852831]

>>11852824
Take your meds.

[Anonymous No.11852929]

>>11852824
That sounds more like a metabolic disorder than a mental illness.

[Anonymous No.11853180]

>>11852824
Please, Dr. Berg, I am begging you, sell me whatever snake oil you can to get rid of high bloos pressure!

[Anonymous No.11853324]

>>11852824
Have you tried exercising?

[Anonymous No.11853346]

>he thinks he can control automatic functions via cope

[Anonymous No.11853743]

>>11852824

[Anonymous No.11854100]

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[Anonymous No.11855986]

>>11852824

[Anonymous No.11856002]

they've forced me on medication as well

>paliperidone
>olanzapine wafer

just look at what the fuck this shit does. it fucks your whole system

what's your plan OP?

[Anonymous No.11856004]

>>11852824
You don't. You address emotional problems emotionally.

[Anonymous No.11856011]

I have this negative feed back loop in my mind that makes no sense logically but I always "feel" that it is true and absolute.
It gets worse when my health deteriorates, and gets a bit better if I exercise regularly.
There are days when I achieve something good and I feel okay. Then the next day I would feel like shit again and hate myself, telling myself that what is did was pretty fucking trivial and I should jump off a building.
There is really no way around it using only logic.

[Anonymous No.11856038]

>>11852824
By going to a fucking doctor.

[Anonymous No.11856041]

>>11856011
same, so why is it its often recommended that you see everything as objectively and from as distanced/unbiased a perspective as possible in like DBT for example
>>11856004
but then you're just on a rollercoaster of highs and insane lows if you have actual problems with emotional regulation

[Anonymous No.11856080]

>>11856002
How many conspiracy theories do you believe in?

[Anonymous No.11856096]

>>11856041
Well, thinking objectively is not really possible, but when I feel mildly bad, I can meditate to ease the negative loop.
Ironically, you don't fix this problem by thinking about it more (even objective thinking doesn't work). It will only get your mind running the same thoughts over and over again.
You fix it by gradually forget about the negative feedback loop.
It only works when I'm healthy to be honest.

[Anonymous No.11856101]

>>11856096
>You fix it by gradually forget about the negative feedback loop.
How? Like overwhelming yourself in a new situation and constantly keeping busy without any real thinking?
Is this why there are so many "lazy" people and alcoholics stuck in dead end jobs?

[Anonymous No.11856412]

>>11852824
exact same thing happens to me plus i keep seeing flashes of light in my vision i think im dying

[Anonymous No.11856428]

>>11856080
what about conspiracy theories? blackwater, pedophiles now

[Anonymous No.11856554]

>>11852824
Stop consuming caffeine completely

[Anonymous No.11856568]

>>11856041
>objectively and from as distanced/unbiased a perspective as possible

DBT doesnt state that emotions are to be discarded. It advocates for use of the emotion mind and the logic based mind together, for a wiser approach.

[Anonymous No.11856599]

>>11856412
Go check your retina ASAP in an ophtalmologist, just say you are seeing flashes. It is a big indicator of potential retina detachment

[Anonymous No.11856662]

>>11852824
Isolate the problem, find the cause, isolate the cause, solve the problem. Don't be afraid of unconventional solutions. Often times you want to fit in with the "normalacy" and that can lead to the problem

[Anonymous No.11856691]

>>11852824
i lost about 7kg because of depression and (probably) psychosis :)

[Anonymous No.11857188]

Get out of your head and into your body. Regular exercise is vital to maintaining mental health.

Take a walk, go for a jog, bike around. Lift heavy things up and down.

Make sure your diet is good. Eat as many vegetables as possible, drink water, beans and rice are good staples.

And remember it's all about incremental progress. Building these habits take time, and each step you take gives you more energy and wherewithal to continue your improvement.

[Anonymous No.11857213]

>>11856038
How high is the bar for getting put on meds?
I feel like I'm pretty depressed with a sprinkle of schizo. Tbh I just want a diagnosis so I can say I'm mentally ill when people look at me funny.

[Anonymous No.11857496]

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[Anonymous No.11857735]

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[Anonymous No.11858098]

>>11852824
Physical cause for mental symptoms.

[Anonymous No.11858171]

>>11852824
Unironically get tested for borreliosis. I had the same symptoms in the beginning of this year, although less severe. It sounds like you're in a later stage with Lyme carditis. Get tested and take the antibiotics (doxycyclin or ceftriaxon) for at least three weeks.
I'm not saying it's definitely that, but the symptoms could fit and it's rarely detected.

[Anonymous No.11858702]

>>11856428
Because I know there are tons of psychotic people here, like yourself (as you explained based on your prescribed medications), based on all the conspiracy theories that get spouted here. Psychosis and belief in large numbers of extravagant conspiracy theories are highly correlated, for obvious reasons.

[Anonymous No.11859198]

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[Anonymous No.11859237]

>>11858702
i'm not even slightly psychotic

im just in an unfortunate situation being treated by quacks you inconsiderate turd

[Anonymous No.11859841]

>>11857213
If you go in saying you're depressed, they'll give you some shit meds that do nothing if you're lucky and cause near-irreversible impotency if you're not. And saying you're depressed and answering "yes" to being asked if you have suicidal thoughts goes over about as well as threatening to shoot-up the place.

Ask for a full hormone panel blood test. And if they ask why, give only vague mood-related symptoms and possibly sexual dysfunctions.

>Tbh I just want a diagnosis so I can say I'm mentally ill when people look at me funny.
The more common go-to these days is Autism, unless you're a woman. If you are a woman, most guys would rather hear "autism" than "depressed-schizo", "bipolar" or a vague "mentally ill" anyway.

[Anonymous No.11860111]

>>11852824
Sounds like an anxiety disorder. If the symptoms are setting off the anxiety and you don't worry about anything else other than the anxiety itself it's a kind of panic disorder or health anxiety. You can't reason your way out of it. You just have to let the feelings repeatedly come on and over time they lessen as your brain habituates to them and it no longer cares about them. Becoming normal again is being able to experience these physical effects without any anxiety. It takes a while to recover unfortunately - like, a few months, (and for 90% of that recovery you won't feel like you're recovering,) but you can get over it. Get some CBT and look up ACT and exposure therapy. Google Claire Weekes too and read her stuff. Think of it this way - if someone had panic attacks everytime they went outside you wouldn't say to them never go outside again. You would say keep going outside and keep having the panic attacks because it's ridiculous to live you life without going outside. Eventually they subside as you retrain your mind that there is no danger. It's a kind of pavlovian conditioning. You can do it yourself but it helps to have someone guiding you. Stay off anxiety forums because they're depressing and full of quacks. I have a lot of sympathy because I've been there and recovered like this, so don't give up. For me it was about 5 months of pointless suffering trying to hide from these feelings and 3 months of recovery (the first 90% of which I didn't believe it was working). Happy to answer questions because I know what it's like.

[Anonymous No.11860323]

>>11852824
you can't. you can't use logic and reason to alter the perception and opinions of people who don't use logic and reason to come to their conclusions in the first place.

Imagine watching a movie and missing 20 frames at a time then filling in the blanks that you missed with assumptions and thinking those assumptions are factual not best guesses. This is what magical thinking is and what NPC minds often do

http://esotericawakening.com/clown-world

[Anonymous No.11860336]

>severe physical effects because of the mental illness?

Are you diagnosed?

>often can't sleep for days, heart pounds for 5+ hours at a time, lose energy and muscles wither, memory problems, problems with concentration, in fight/flight mode, feels like you're dying, extreme fear

M8 go to a doc if you haven't already, check your thyroid/adrenals.