/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11842867]

How true is this image? I personally think that biology, economics, and philosophy should be moved up.

[Anonymous No.11842892]

Geology low tier?

[Anonymous No.11842895]

>>11842867
Computer science should be moved down into it's own category.
I find that feminist studies has far broader applications.

[Anonymous No.11842898]

>>11842867
It could be summed up as math/physics god tier and everything else shit tier

[Anonymous No.11842931]

Math and Philosophy together are god tier. Everything else follows those two. Those two subjects are the foundation you need to excel at any subject.

https://youtu.be/s8fG_FghAvc

These students will be able to go on to do whatever they want in life.

[Anonymous No.11842962]

>>11842931
Unironically agree but I wanted to do electrical engineering so I majored in EE and minored in philosophy

[Anonymous No.11842992]

>>11842867
this chart has nothing to it. You won't fit in. You won't be happy. A life of desire and illusion is not for you. You grind through or kill yourself, neither money, nor accomplishes will make benefit you:)

[Anonymous No.11843000]

>>11842992
>make
-make lol

[Anonymous No.11843001]

>>11842992
shitskin

[Anonymous No.11843007]

>>11842867
I'd put economics in god tier and move business up to mid tier.

[Anonymous No.11843020]

>>11842962
I would throw your resume in the trash just for having a minor in philosophy

[Anonymous No.11843025]

>>11842867
>Except civil
Civil engineering is the root of all other engineering branches

[Anonymous No.11843026]

>>11842867
Biology should be moved down. Philosophy moved up. Econ stays where it is.

[Anonymous No.11843028]

>>11843025
I can get a fucking PhD in EE without stepping foot in a civil engineering lecture

[Anonymous No.11843033]

>>11842867
You retard, you made a juxtaposition. Why is engineering in god tier and CS at the bottom? Make your mind. Or next time explain....
>except software engineering

[Anonymous No.11843035]

>>11842867
>geology low tier
its shit

[Anonymous No.11843052]

>>11842867
>theology
>mid tier
yeah wasting your life reading jewish fairy tales is on par with studying economics, astronomy and biology lol

[Anonymous No.11843057]

>>11843020
Why? :(

[Anonymous No.11843063]

>>11842867
Tier lists in 2020. Grow up dude.
Let people do whatever they want. Some will see that the decisions that theyve made were not the best later on.

[Anonymous No.11843068]

>>11842867
you niggers have been doing these same shitty threads since 2018 and no science whatsoever
this board is a joke
unironically pol is more informative than this midwit /x/-crossposting cesspool

[Anonymous No.11843175]

>>11843068
>unironically pol is more informative than this midwit /x/-crossposting cesspool
hahaha no, I prefer the lack of science to incorrectly used science

[Anonymous No.11843181]

>>11842867

> six digits
> waste of life

[Anonymous No.11843187]

>>11843026
Explain
>explain what
All of it

[Anonymous No.11843192]

>>11843057
Because I am mean and judgemental.

[Anonymous No.11843210]

>>11842867
Nothing else besides Math and Physics should be on God tier. Shit chart.

[Anonymous No.11843317]

Why does /sci/ hate computer science?

[Anonymous No.11843318]

>>11843028
Then tell me about power generation and transmission without using any concept of civil engineering.

[Anonymous No.11843324]

>>11843317
"science"

[Anonymous No.11843326]

>>11843318
All engineering concepts are physics concepts, you brainlet.

[Anonymous No.11843344]

>>11843326
Trace back the flow of the discussion, please.

[Anonymous No.11843432]

>>11843326
Lol imagine being this dumb

[Anonymous No.11843436]

you took computer science from god tier and put it at shit tier, you didn't even change the color.

[Anonymous No.11843442]

It should be Mathematics Physics Philosophy Music comp sci

The ultimate academic chad

[Anonymous No.11843448]

>>11843436
Actually I just took the image of the internet

[Anonymous No.11843456]

>>11843448
yeah u rite

but don't let me EVER catch u being rite again!!!

[Anonymous No.11843457]

>>11842867
>political science
>shit tier
kys

[Anonymous No.11843463]

looks like someone didnt get it to their top CS school...

[Anonymous No.11843818]

>>11842867
Corrections:
>Engineering
Mid tier, besides EE which is god tier
>Physics
Top tier
>Medicine
Low tier
>Civil/mech
As above, mid tier
>Philosophy
God tier
>Biology
Top tier
>Theology
Waste of life tier
>Teacher
Waste of life tier
>Geology
Top tier
>Archaeology
Mid tier
>Music
Mid tier
>History
Mid tier
>Psychology
Low tier
>Foreign Language
Mid tier
>Art
Mid tier
>Design
Low tier
>English
Low tier
>Computer science
Mid tier

All else is the same. This is the only true, correct list, and anyone who says otherwise is mentally challenged and deserves to be put in front of a firing squad.

[Anonymous No.11843893]

>>11842867
where's accounting?

[Anonymous No.11843907]

>>11842867
Highest approved major?
https://www.strawpoll.me/20444403

[Anonymous No.11843914]

>>11843907
Is cognitive science different from neuroscience? If so -1 to that one lol

[Anonymous No.11843931]

>>11843893
Automated out of existence

[Anonymous No.11843937]

>>11842867
>political science, which is what most often the most successful white collar criminals study to become presidents, is low tier
>the one where people argue about how many devils can dance on a hairpin and other mythological stuff is mid tier
Pretty false.

[Anonymous No.11843940]

>>11842867
who tierfags science? holy fuck, get a life

[Anonymous No.11843941]

>>11843937
You really know nothing about theology, but congrats on showing off your ignorance here’s a (You) as a sign of appreciation for your stupidity

[Anonymous No.11843944]

>>11843068
>2018
Lol newfag. I already reposted this shitty image in 2009

[Anonymous No.11843946]

>>11842867
Engineers are fucking plug-n-chug grunts. All theoretical sciences besides the social ones are above any engineering disciplines.

[Anonymous No.11843951]

>>11842867
What about machine learning/artificial intelligence? It's applied math, so i guess god tier right?

[Anonymous No.11843961]

>>11843068
>>11843944
When Al Gore hooked up his monitor to the first computer network ever this tier listing was on the screen

[Anonymous No.11843964]

>>11842867
>Putting computer science with women's studies and communications
kys you contrarian faggot

[Anonymous No.11843968]

Untrue. Logic is the purview of philosophy making mathematics also within that domain. How do you place fields that use the fundamental structures below those using it? It’s pants-on-head retarded and the kind of thing someone on an ego quest and not a mind quest does.

[Anonymous No.11843971]

>>11843818
What metric are you even using? I assume difficulty, as opposed to job eligibility?

[Anonymous No.11843986]

>>11843971
>God Tier
My degree

>Mid Tier
I heard makes a lot of money

>Low Tier
I heard it sucks

>Waste of life Tier
I don’t respect the profession

[Anonymous No.11844009]

>>11843946
>t. doesn't know anything about engineering

[Anonymous No.11844014]

>>11843941
>oh no, they're saying true things about my non-science
>how dare you talk shit about this pseudoscience without being an expert on it
I don't need to read medieval bestiaries to know that unicorns are bullshit; the same goes for mythology. Even psychology is more scientific than theology, because you can at least apply statistics to it.

[Anonymous No.11844017]

>>11842867
Pretty poor

[Anonymous No.11844203]

>>11844009
>t. seething engineering student

[Anonymous No.11844213]

>>11844203
>thinks research in engineering is plug and chug
yes I am seething

[Anonymous No.11844219]

>>11844213
Is more like rub and tug

[Anonymous No.11844264]

>>11842867
Honestly CS should in its own tier above God Tier

I don't know why this board hates CS while on the other hand it jerks off to Math, Physics and Engineering, despite the fact those are very similar to CS.

In fact, CS is more important in the real world than those other majors. With a CS you have a higher chance of getting into FAANNG as well as well work on really cool and interesting problems that you don't get with other disciplines.

[Anonymous No.11844291]

>>11844264
>Honestly CS should in its own tier above God Tier
No
>I don't know why this board hates CS while on the other hand it jerks off to Math, Physics and Engineering, despite the fact those are very similar to CS.
The very next sentence you say
>In fact, CS is more important in the real world than those other majors.
This is why lmao, no you are not more important then math physics and engineering stop claiming to be.

[Anonymous No.11844318]

What is this undergrad bullshit?
If you don't have a career in academia then you're working too hard for a shitty outcome.
The absolute Chad choice is to get a BS in Information Technology and then get an MBA and change employers every 2 years until you're an executive at a company making fat stacks.

[Anonymous No.11844366]

>>11843971
Composition of importance to positive contributions in past, present and future cultures, the type of people who study it, purity of the field, reliance on other fields, and current state of the subject. Maybe difficulty comes into it a little, but I don't think it does very much, since otherwise things such as art, English and history would probably gain higher status.
For example, engineering gets mid tier because it is not a pure field, and most of the people in engineering have a superiority complex. Chemistry gets god tier, while physics gets top tier because chemistry is entirely a science, and relates much more clearly to our real world, whereas physics is a weird mix in between science and math, where it as practical as chemistry, but it also lacks the rigor of math, leaving it in some kind of limbo. Honestly, experimental physics is probably what drags it down to top tier.
Most of the mid tier ones are fairly self-explanatory, since they are usually fairly important to human culture, but ultimately would be easy to live without.

[Anonymous No.11844384]

As an engineer I think engineering gets shit on way more than it should by snobby STEM people who only respect pure math and physics. I actually found my engineering math classes easier than the design classes, because the math is straight logic, although I realize this is not typical for engineers. I have seen physics and math students with absolutely zero common sense, and as an engineer, who is practical, grounded, and uses extensive common sense and rules of thumb everyday in designs it is disheartening to see. Engineers study nature, and then seek to design and optimize systems based on it's laws. Who has more prestige in real life (not in academia) - a structural engineer who designed the tallest building in the city and is well-respected in the construction industry, or a physics/math grad who has an obscure research job that no one has any idea what he is talking about because it is so mathematical. And if your researching new astronomy, string theory, physics type things - a lot of people think you guys are way off base. Getting lost in mathematical language that is not grounded in physical reality.

[Anonymous No.11844413]

>>11844384
>Who has more prestige in real life
>a physics/math grad who has an obscure research job that no one has any idea what he is talking about because it is so mathematical
That is basically what people regard as the most prestigious.
The thing is, engineering in uni is all bullshit - especially the design classes. They're always group projects, where the only way to do really well is to have someone in your group already be a god. You learn nothing from those design classes.
The biggest problem with engineering students is that 98% of them are there for a six figure salary. That's it. They just scrape through with the bare minimum, get a monotonous job, and then waste away doing whatever the engineering equivalent of microsoft excel is.

[Anonymous No.11844414]

>>11844413
>whatever the engineering equivalent of microsoft excel is.
Autocad and Microsoft excel

[Anonymous No.11844437]

>>11844384
This isn't even true though, I mean try get an electrical engineer to explain the work they're doing in quantum optics to a normal person. To a normal person this will be like the obscure research job.

[Anonymous No.11844460]

Well the tier list fits perfect for the board. It also mocks comp sci folks which is always a nice touch. To get a real picture, you'd probably need to poll everyone. I'd say medicine would be on top if that was the case. Most people think mathematicians and physicists don't do crap. lol.

[Anonymous No.11845976]

>>11843931
take that back

[Anonymous No.11845992]

>>11842867
>astronomy above geology
>english that low

[Anonymous No.11846046]

>>11842867
try books, moron

[Anonymous No.11846055]

>>11845992
Bro, I fixed it already.

[Anonymous No.11846380]

>>11843007
Economics is crap

[Anonymous No.11846396]

>>11842931

Unless they want to start a family, in that case, they are fucked....

[Anonymous No.11846496]

>>11843192
Well atleast your honest about it

[Anonymous No.11846532]

>>11843818
>>Philosophy
>God tier
>>Biology
>Top tier
>>Theology
>Waste of life tier

lel brainlet

[Anonymous No.11846578]

>>11842867
Unironically do what you like. The "best" depends heavily on your interests and sliding scale of "academic rigor vs. expected salary."
If you're going to do CS, either go to a top program or double major in math while focusing on theory and systems while ignoring any bullshit related to software.

[Anonymous No.11846684]

>>11843033
I don’t think you know what a juxtaposition is

[Anonymous No.11846731]

>>11844291
>math, physics, and engineering are more important than CS
This is true, but at least we have better job/salary prospects after only completing a bachelors than any of the other majors you’ve mentioned.

[Anonymous No.11846770]

>>11846532
You can't even argue against any of those. They are literally the most reasonable of the list.

[Anonymous No.11846796]

>>11846731
>>math, physics, and engineering are more important than CS
They're not, but CS isn't magically more important either. When you say "CS," if you mean software dev, then you're not talking about CS.
If by CS, you're talking about computational topology, geometric complexity theory, domain theory, or quantum information, then I see no reason why CS is any less important than math and physics.

[Anonymous No.11846806]

>>11846796
>quantum information
At my school the electrical engineers, physicists, and computer scientists worked together on this

[Anonymous No.11846837]

>>11846806
...yes, and? The field is huge to the point where you can't just have one field researching it.
>Optics groups from EE and experimental physics are interested in understanding implementation details.
>theoretical physics and CS researchers are interested in what resulting complexity classes and operation can say about existing theory. Both camps work to make advances in physics (quantum hamiltonian complexity) and CS (BQP characterization).
Oftentimes results in one field imply results in other fields. The huge MIP* = RE result in CS gave a negative answer to Tsirelson's problem in math-phys and a negative answer to Connes' embedding conjecture from operator algebras in the pure mathematics side.
CS has rapidly matured in the past 60 years - I don't think it's fair to say they're any less important if their work has had direct consequences in other fields of STEM

[Anonymous No.11846874]

>>11846837
I wasn't saying they were less important, I was just mentioning they work together with other fields in my school on quantum information. Dude are you crazy? Obviously all fields have direct consequences in other fields of STEM. You literally tried to defend CS against a statement that wasn't negative.

[Anonymous No.11846879]

>>11842867
Swap philosophy with chemistry and move music to top tier and it's perfect.

[Anonymous No.11846909]

Why are CS majors so dumb?

[Anonymous No.11846936]

>>11846874
>. Dude are you crazy? Obviously all fields have direct consequences in other fields of STEM. You literally tried to defend CS against a statement that wasn't negative.
Given all the statements ITT and on this board against CS, I took it as a negative without reading further. Sorry bout that anon.
I though the implication was "other researchers do what CS researchers claim their important role is"

[Anonymous No.11846943]

>>11846909
CS is a really popular major, so it'll attract dumbfucks. Just like in engineering, the first two years are occupied by really stupid people, and by the end, it's filled with a mix of very smart and moderately stupid people.

[Anonymous No.11846960]

>>11846943
Why are those majors, in particular, so popular? It seems to me that the spike in popularity will only lead to a flooded market in the future.

[Anonymous No.11846979]

>>11846960
Companies keep pushing them to drive wages down

[Anonymous No.11846997]

>>11846960
I can't speak for engineering, but believe it or not, America is not producing enough CS grads to meet the current demand hence the excessive advertising. But remember, it doesn't matter how many people declare themselves as a CS or engineering major, what matters is if they can graduate with a degree.

[Anonymous No.11847001]

>>11846960
>Why are those majors, in particular, so popular?
The ubiquity of technology has given prestige to working in technology related fields. In particular, software integration into traditional hardware systems and the explosion of novel software technology (emulators, OS backends, user applications like snapchat with their computer vision applications like filters, etc) has made the field attractive.
Many people go into CS to get an engineering-lite degree (ie, "just teach me how to code man") to try get the prestige without any of the rigor.

The reason why the undergrad programs are so dumbed down is because the money rolls in teaching people to codemonkey than to actually do CS. There are exceptions, and usually if you want to de-bullshit your CS program and go to a top 40-50 school, you can safely ignore the bad classes and/or double major in math. But the issue is that you have to make conscious effort to do this, which really shouldn't be the case.

[Anonymous No.11847037]

>>11847001
Shouldn't a CS degree be more about teaching theory and the mathematical intuitions behind CS concepts such as logic rather than just focusing on coding? Obviously coding is an important aspect of CS, but I can't imagine a degree where that is the sole focus to have much merit.

[Anonymous No.11847232]

>>11847037
>Shouldn't a CS degree be more about teaching theory and the mathematical intuitions behind CS concepts such as logic rather than just focusing on coding?
yes, but departments realized there are more than enough undergrads qualified from both math and CS to do research, while the majority of undergrads from CS in the US are interested in using it as an in for software jobs. That in and of itself isn't a bad thing, but they aggressively ask for only classwork and material relevant to entry level software development without realizing
1) first principles are more important
2) good foundations make you way more competitive
3) school is too sanitized an environment to get practical software engineering experience
4) the degree has no obligation to teach you what you need for interviews, and yet the questions people fail are simple but important theory questions.

I don't ask every CS major to be interested in research like I am, but it's a travesty how far down CS has gone if it allows so many mouthbreathers to get a degree. Good field, lackluster undergrad.
>Obviously coding is an important aspect of CS, but I can't imagine a degree where that is the sole focus to have much merit.

[Anonymous No.11848613]

>>11842867
Nah teacher should be at the bottom of "waste of life" tier

[Anonymous No.11848619]

>>11848613
Based retard.

[Anonymous No.11848651]

>>11847037
Computer Science has various areas. Practical branches gives a holistic understanding of hardware and software design of computer systems. Theoretical fields are abstract, but they are beautiful when understood.

[Anonymous No.11848681]

>geology
>anything other than god tier
trash chart

[Anonymous No.11848685]

>>11848681
>t. geologist

[Anonymous No.11848698]

>>11848619
Not him but teacher is the ultimate cuckold job. You are literally raising other people's kids like the victim of a cuckoo.

[Anonymous No.11848705]

>>11848698
You literally aren't.

[Anonymous No.11848727]

>>11848705
>he thinks of school as anything other than child-care enabling smart people to hack it in the real world and get rich full time while teachers only get a meager compensation (which they deserve) like the cucks they are

[Anonymous No.11848859]

>>11843442
this

[Anonymous No.11849201]

>>11843317
Cause normalfags are making more money then them.

[Anonymous No.11849216]

>>11842867
That is a good graphic showing autism levels by majors. Except computer science should be at the top as well.

[Anonymous No.11849245]

>>11843317
combination of really bad undergrad students and misconceptions about the field itself. Undergrad is sort of lackluster at places that aren't top 30, but PhD CS, especially in theory concetration, is fine. But it's easy to meme on it and treat it like it's codemonkying for (You) upboats.
>hehe computer """""""""""science""""""""""" amirite fellas?
>"AHHH BASED BASED BASED"

[Anonymous No.11849249]

>>11843951
those aren't full degrees.

[Anonymous No.11849250]

>>11849245
Have you ever heard of the idea of a top-heavy competitive field? That's CS and why CStards are relentlessly bullied on this board.

[Anonymous No.11849257]

>>11844384
> Who has more prestige in real life (not in academia) - a structural engineer who designed the tallest building in the city and is well-respected in the construction industry
> a physics/math grad who has an obscure research job that no one has any idea what he is talking about because it is so mathematical
I mean, the sciences have plenty of prestige when you start talking about the heavy hitters in science. If you're going to equip yourself with the prestige of having a large building on your resume, then you should at least compare this to a scientist who invented / revolutionized some results in their field. Research isn't nearly as obscure as you think, much less impractical even.
This post comes off as incredibly insecure - do what you do because you like it, not because other people will suck your dick for being """"smart"""""

[Anonymous No.11849271]

>>11849250
>top-heavy competitive field
engineering is in the same boat with a huge amount of shitters graduating with a degree.
the reason CS gets hate here is pretty simple
1) it's young so engineering majors feel like they can take potshots and move up the totem pole
2) it's flooded with idiots in undergrad
3) barely anybody at the undergrad level, much less the early grad level in other fields, knows what CS is - to most people it's "durr computer code studies"
4) /sci/ has this unquenchable thirst for validation through studying traditionally prestigious material, which drives the majority of the circlejerk on this board

CS deserves a lot of the hate, especially undergrad, but it definitely doesn't deserve all of the hate, or the misconceptions on what it actually is

[Anonymous No.11849274]

>>11842867
archaeology / geology to top-tier
civil and med to mid-tier

[Anonymous No.11849299]

>>11849271
>3) barely anybody at the undergrad level, much less the early grad level in other fields, knows what CS is - to most people it's "durr computer code studies"
This is a meme forced by cs retards.

[Anonymous No.11849357]

>>11849299
Computer code studies or that nobody knows what CS is?
Almost everyone here is convinced that theoretical CS is “muh theory if programming”

[Anonymous No.11849362]

>>11846380
It's literally the stuff that guides the world's progress, once socialism moved on and all your math and electrical engineering shit almost collapsed.

[Anonymous No.11849601]

>>11842867
What's the difference between Information Technology and Computer Science?

[Anonymous No.11850342]

>>11848619
>Based retard
Is your mommy a sheep teacher retard who raised a good little sheep like you?

[Anonymous No.11850347]

>>11849601
The former is a communication degree everywhere while the latter is in bad schools a codemonkey degree and in good schools a proper stem degree

[Anonymous No.11850387]

>>11846532
> Keks at Theology being listed as 'Waste of life tier'
Hi, I'm Chris Hansen and you're on dateline NBC.

[Anonymous No.11850394]

>>11849362
It literally isn't.

[Anonymous No.11850398]

>>11843946
t. CS cope
Did an engineer bvll steal your gf anon?

[Anonymous No.11850413]

>>11850398
>Did an engineer bvll steal your gf anon?

[Anonymous No.11850422]

What about CE?

[Anonymous No.11850773]

>>11842867
>Top tier: Medicine
...

[Anonymous No.11850788]

>>11850773
Medicine is the reason why we live longer than we did hundreds of years ago.

[Anonymous No.11851089]

>>11850788
English (or another foreign language) is the reason we can communicate ideas. Doesn't make it top tier, dipshit.

[Anonymous No.11851125]

>>11851089
Cope.

[Anonymous No.11851144]

>>11851125
>I have no ability to reason

[Anonymous No.11851162]

>>11842867
With biology it really depends. If you are delusional enough to study something like marine biology it easily belongs into the lowest tier, but stuff like genetics or MolBio are easily Top Tier considering future prospects.

[Anonymous No.11851172]

>>11851162
What's wrong with marine biology?

[Anonymous No.11851183]

>>11851172
you won't get a job not even a slave wage job in academia. its financial suicide as is zoology and many other fields of the life sciences at this point.

[Anonymous No.11851184]

>>11851172

[Anonymous No.11851185]

>>11851162
Marine biology is easily better than most of the top and god tiers listed there.
>>11851172
That anon is probably an autistic retard.

[Anonymous No.11851195]

>>11851185
>That anon is probably an autistic retard.
Look at this dood

[Anonymous No.11851196]

>>11851183
>>11851184
>Judging the value of a degree solely on its job prospect
>>>/r/eddit is that way.

[Anonymous No.11851201]

>>11851195
You realize the tier list isn't the same as the median salary list.

[Anonymous No.11851205]

>>11851196
I wasn't judging anyone for choosing to study something they enjoy retard. I was explaining the logic of why people shit on many biology degrees. These tier rankings are always based on employability and salary. Otherwise maths and physics would always be god tier.

[Anonymous No.11851211]

>>11851205
>Law in low tier
>These tier rankings are always based on employability and salary
>Otherwise maths and physics would always be god tier
Oh, I see, you're mentally challenged.

[Anonymous No.11851214]

>>11851205
Math and physics are god tier, regardless.

[Anonymous No.11851255]

Why do people here have such a hard-on for EE specifically?

[Anonymous No.11851259]

>>11842931
I'm a complete brainlet with more background in phil. What are the best books to read for interfacing math with philosophy?

[Anonymous No.11851277]

>>11851259
Introduction to Mathematical Philosophy by Russell

[Anonymous No.11851292]

>>11851255
Electricity more like Epictricity

[Anonymous No.11851308]

>>11851255
If you think about it, electricity is basically magic.
Also, EE is the most rigorous engineering, and is required to understand the modern world. It also uses more advanced math concepts at a more basic level than any other engineering.

[Anonymous No.11851320]

>>11851255
It's fun

[Anonymous No.11851329]

>>11851308
>EE is the most rigorous engineering, and is required to understand the modern world. It also uses more advanced math concepts at a more basic level than any other engineering.
You're thinking of chemical engineering.

[Anonymous No.11851337]

>>11843914
Quite so, cognitive science is more about the mental processes (software), while neuro science is more about the biological processes (hardware).

Fortunately, you can have your cake and eat it too, if you go for cognitive neuroscience.

[Anonymous No.11851339]

>>11851329
>You're thinking of chemical engineering.
You're thinking of petroleum engineering.

[Anonymous No.11851342]

>>11851255
>>11851308
I'm an EE, married to a math major. All her books used EE examples for the "how is this applied in the real world?" sections. Especially the complex analysis books. EM fields, signal and systems, and controls were no joke on the math either. Digital signal processing was rough.

[Anonymous No.11851349]

>>11851329
Chemical engineering draws directly from chemistry (indirectly from physics), whereas electrical draws directly from physics, meaning chemical uses a lot more assumptions / requires much more experimentation than electrical.

[Anonymous No.11851403]

>>11851342
> All her books used EE examples for the "how is this applied in the real world?" sections.
This is legitimately what EEfags believe.
There are plenty of high impact real world applications of math that aren't EE lmao.
I can believe that complex analysis did have many examples used in EE.
> EM fields, signal and systems, and controls were no joke on the math either.
lmao he thinks his watered down results from math for EE was hard
>Digital signal processing was rough.
HE THOUGHT DSP WAS HARD
now you know you can safely discard this opinion. EE's constantly overrate the difficulty of their material

[Anonymous No.11851408]

>>11851342
>applied in the real world
Not a math book.

[Anonymous No.11851425]

>>11851408
For real lol, literally any serious complex analysis book is written in the style of definition-proposition-proof-lemma style. I could see taking problems inspired from EE, but they'd be presented in their pure form.
Anon's probably referring to some babyish early undergrad complex variable text published by pearson, with full color and "lol here are applications" blurbs plastered all over the book just like the calculus books engineering majors use. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if anon was larping because he's clearly never seen a serious math book.

For real, if you pick up Stein and Sharkarchi's complex analysis, not a word is uttered about EE lmao.

[Anonymous No.11851452]

>>11851425
Not the person you're replying to or the EE guy but why are you being so rude? I mean sure it might be undergrad stuff but to call it babyish seems to be pretty mean? It's seems like kind of an overreaction just because some EE guy said his girlfriend math major had math books with EE applications as examples.

[Anonymous No.11851459]

>>11851425
>with full color and "lol here are applications" blurbs plastered all over the book
Why the fuck do physics and engineering books do this? It makes them so much harder to follow, and almost unreadable. Math books are so much easier.

[Anonymous No.11851463]

>>11842867
Remove everything on that list except 'mathematics'. Honestly the rest of science SERVE math. Everything is math.

[Anonymous No.11851468]

>>11851452
>I mean sure it might be undergrad stuff but to call it babyish seems to be pretty mean?
Because the books that do this aren't complex analysis books. They're complex variables and basically extending basic calculus but onto the complex plane. Engineering students have a sense of unwarranted self importance for having completed material here that they think complex analysis exists because of their applications to EE, but it really doesn't. The field exists on its own merit, but even its applications extend beyond electrostatics into combinatorics, probability, algorithms, and other parts of math and physics.
Either way the point stands that no serious books, even in undergrad, in complex analysis mentions EE in "applications."
>It's seems like kind of an overreaction just because some EE guy
not really? Engineering majors on this board, and especially EE guys like to spout on what they don't know, and they love especially to aggressively imply they're the reason fields are important. This was clearly the case above

[Anonymous No.11851470]

>>11842867
The question is not defined enough, are you judging the fields, the people in them, or the job opportunities available for them?

[Anonymous No.11851473]

>>11851459
what irks me about these books is that they're MASSIVE for *no reason* whatsoever. You want to know why? Because every canonical engineering textbook contains all the material they've learned from their first semester of undergrad - it's all useless bullshit telling you how to do basic calculations. Only about 40% of an engineering or engineering math textbook is useful if you have half a brain, and it all starts from like chapter 8

[Anonymous No.11851475]

>>11851459
It’s to appeal to the low iq brainlets that read them, focusing on a whole page of text at a time is too boring for them so they need lots of colors and pictures to keep them entertained, like how children’s books are illustrated

[Anonymous No.11851484]

>>11851459
>>11851475
it wouldn't be so bad if it were a sober color palette - there are a lot of really good theory textbooks that have black, dark blue, and occasionally red text - but engineering books literally look like middle school and high school science books with a smaller font

[Anonymous No.11851485]

>>11851475
The thing is, I struggle so much to read these supposed low IQ books, but give me something like Rudin or Jacobson, and I can follow pretty much everything quite easily.

[Anonymous No.11851492]

>>11851468
I don't know man, it just seems like you're getting really mad about EE

[Anonymous No.11851501]

>>11851492
Nah EE is fine. EE is filled with lots of lackluster people though.

[Anonymous No.11851507]

>>11851485
>When you read a good text on Lie theory or elliptic curves
Math and philosophy texts are the only things that hold my interest anymore.

[Anonymous No.11851531]

>>11843818
Someone should edit the image and make these changes

[Anonymous No.11851546]

>>11851531
it wasn't a good edit.
the anon's reasoning is pretty flimsy since a lot of things he mentioned could fit his criteria of top tier or even best. Also there was a clear bias towards EE while other engineering professions fill the "top tier" position by very similar reason yet they get shafted down.

[Anonymous No.11851716]

Lol I majored in business and I make 6 figures to do fucking nothing. It's a top tier major

[Anonymous No.11851725]

>Lol I majored in business

[Anonymous No.11851731]

>>11851716
>Lol I majored in business and I do fucking nothing
>It's a top tier major
Just proof that business is in waste-of-life tier.

[Anonymous No.11851914]

Why is psychology so hated?
I get the job market part its just the other accusations I don't get.

[Anonymous No.11851922]

>>11851211
You're a massive faggot.

[Anonymous No.11851928]

>>11851914
Freud and Jung BTFO the field decades ago.

[Anonymous No.11852196]

>>11842867
If you haven't figured out the joke, its that every major within God Tier is over saturated in academia and with almost no job opportunities in industry
They're suicide tier.

If you care about innovation and research then God tier is computer science and medicine
If you care about money and employment then God tier is computer science, computer engineering, mechanical engineering, civil engineering, and medicine
If you want to be a poorfag with no career or academic prospects you follow the OP's chart

[Anonymous No.11852211]

Does an ABET accredited Computer Engineering degree go in God Tier or Waste of Life Tier?
>>11842895
>I find that feminist studies has far broader applications.
You called feminists broads. You have been reported to the university tribunal against sexism, racism, and ismism. You will be expelled regardless of your defense so go pack up your bags now.

[Anonymous No.11852225]

>>11852196
>If you care about innovation and research then God tier is computer science and medicine
(Mostly) Med is for becoming a doctor, CS is for becoming a codemonkey
>If you care about money and employment then God tier is computer science, computer engineering, mechanical engineering, civil engineering, and medicine
No, only law and med, otherwise no degree at all.
>If you want to be a poorfag with no career or academic prospects you follow the OP's chart
Only an applicable statement to mediocre people who weren't going to achieve anything anyway.

[Anonymous No.11852248]

>>11852196
Here's your (You).

[Anonymous No.11852266]

>>11852196
Tbh god tier is mathematics and computer science double major at a high ranked school for both. I got a lot of opportunities for national lab internships working on an engineering and physics job since my background was both rigorous and I had practical skill. I ultimately chose to do research, so at the time of my PhD I found I had a lot of freedom on which subject to chose because math and CS are two fields that show up everywhere, and with that background, most mathematical stem subjects want to take you.
Having a rigorous base and being able to implement my solution in software or hardware (my school has hardware focused embedded and OS classes at least) means you cover your tracks.

[Anonymous No.11852277]

>>11843318
How about you name one concept in civil engineering that is related to power generation? We don't need anything from civil in EE, if anything, you're the one who needs us to tell you how to build your damn transmission towers for civil use. EE and ME are literally the closest you can get to pure physics in engineering. There are quite a few concepts from ME that EE need to know, and some concept ME need from EE, but I cannot recall even one thing that civil engineers do that I've ever needed to know. civil engineering is literally the gender studies of the engineering field, since it attracts the dumbest people in our league. Ever wonder why there are so many women in civil and not in EE? Because it's ezpz and a fucking joke.

[Anonymous No.11852278]

>>11852196

>>>/biz/

[Anonymous No.11852285]

>>11852266
A math degree lets you write your own ticket.

[Anonymous No.11852834]

>>11849362
>guides
It observes and models. Badly.

[Anonymous No.11852861]

>>11842867
Fixed. Thank me later.

[Anonymous No.11853345]

I know it's technically falls under art, but where would architecture fall under this list?

[Anonymous No.11853347]

>>11853345
*it

[Anonymous No.11853349]

>>11842867
why don't scientists today value philosophy? are they blind to where their field originated from? are they aware of their own narrow mindedness? or is it just a lack of curiosity caused by the only job being to either improve on a very specific field of science or doing repetitive tasks through a private company?

[Anonymous No.11853361]

>>11853349
modern philosophy is not valuable, you can read Kant, Plato etc. on you own

[Anonymous No.11853415]

>>11853361
Philosophy has many flaws that Islam has already refuted.

[Anonymous No.11853419]

is optics god tier like physics? it is a branch of physics technically, but a separate degree at my university with science and engineering paths available

[Anonymous No.11853426]

>>11853415
how is being a worthless bugmen a solution?

[Anonymous No.11853437]

>>11853345
Mid tier. Could see a case for low tier though.

[Anonymous No.11853442]

>>11853426
A who? Bugmen are city millenials drinking s o y lent. Not sure how thats relevant.

[Anonymous No.11853446]

>>11853442
muslims are by definition useless bugmen

[Anonymous No.11853450]

>>11853446
You lack critical information.

[Anonymous No.11853457]

>>11853415
>My fairytale is capable of refuting anything
Also
>Philosophy is something to be refuted.
Wouldn't expect anything less from a retard.

[Anonymous No.11853468]

>>11853457
you will regret these words on judgement day

[Anonymous No.11853491]

>>11852861
Absolutely reddit.

[Anonymous No.11854612]

>>11844264
reddit spacing doesnt help your shitposts

[Anonymous No.11854620]

>>11854612

[Anonymous No.11854623]

>>11842867
Annoys me that people shit on creatives. I wouldn't want to live without artists, everything would look and sound like shit

[Anonymous No.11854630]

>>11854623
>Annoys me that people shit on creatives.
Besides reddit 'I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE' STEMlords, who actually does this?

[Anonymous No.11854644]

>>11842867
>Theology
>Mid tier

That shit is women studies for white men

[Anonymous No.11854648]

>>11854644
what about

non white men

[Anonymous No.11854652]

>>11854648
Math

[Anonymous No.11854655]

>>11854623
you dont need degrees to have "creatives" though

[Anonymous No.11854663]

>>11854655
You don't need a degree for anything, your point?

[Anonymous No.11854672]

>>11854648
Rest of the ones listed as waste of life.

It's also like women studies for sand[REDACTED]

[Anonymous No.11854685]

as a psychology graduate, i agree

[Anonymous No.11854689]

>>11854663
it is hard to become a scientist without a degree these days

[Anonymous No.11854741]

>>11854620
>14 replies
>legendary
talk about low standards

[Anonymous No.11854748]

>>11854630
/sci/
Oh wait, you already mentioned it.

[Anonymous No.11854750]

>>11842867
The original pic was based on pay and employment prospects. What's this based on?

[Anonymous No.11854755]

>>11854748
Based.

[Anonymous No.11854760]

>>11842931
>Those two subjects are the foundation you need to excel at any subject
Math...yeah. Philosophy? Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.11854769]

>>11854760
Back to plebbit.

[Anonymous No.11854775]

I dont care if they get a degree, but fuck the ones that complain about muh student debt and their low paying jobs after choosing that path

[Anonymous No.11854784]

>>11854769
>if I call it reddit I'll look less of a retard
Ask me how I know you're an election tourist from reddit tryharding to fit in cos your friends told you 4channers hate reddit. But I suppose this much should be expected of a brainlet studying philosophy

[Anonymous No.11854789]

>>11854784
You have to go back.

[Anonymous No.11854803]

>>11854769
Philosophy is basically the reddit of majors.

[Anonymous No.11854805]

>>11854803
That's engineering and CS.

[Anonymous No.11854806]

>>11842867
made by a seething monolingual anglo

[Anonymous No.11854813]

>>11854630
There's nothing wrong with "I fucking love science" crowd. They're cultured and realise science is objectively superior. Hipster faggots like you who justify bullshit by muh reddit are the issue. Science relies on facts, not subjective criteria. That doesn't mean I don't like books or music. That means I don't view those as fields where knowledge gained within a university somehow makes you better than your compatriots who haven't. At the end of the day, that stuff is completely subjective and down to the individual to interpret. The only standard criteria for what is good in those fields is whether """critics""" liked it or not lmao

[Anonymous No.11854815]

>>11854789
>he lurks on reddit all day and brings his obsession on 4chan to fit in
You have to kill yourself

[Anonymous No.11854823]

>>11854805
Engineering and CS are for people with brains who apply maths and algorithm to do something practical, not some brainfart loving faggot ph*losopher. Fuck ofg

[Anonymous No.11854824]

>>11854805
Objectively wrong.

[Anonymous No.11854832]

>>11854823
Reddit is materialistic and naive; 4chan is introspective and philisophical. In short, you have to go back.

[Anonymous No.11854838]

>>11854832
4chan literally is reddit. Maybe it wasn't 4+ years ago, but it is now.

[Anonymous No.11854846]

>>11854823
>>11854805
>>11854803
I'm an engineer with a philosophy minor so no matter what I'm reddit.

[Anonymous No.11854854]

>>11854846
What the fuck is the point of minoring in a meme field like philosophy? If it interests you, just get some books and read.

[Anonymous No.11854856]

>>11854832
>>11854838
>muh reddit
Literally kill yourselves. You retards can't make a point without bringing your childish website console wars in the middle when you run out of arguments. It's hilarious how you don't even realise the irony of claiming to be introspective while screaming muhhh reddit as a way to discredit your opponent. But again, this is to be expected of a philosophy loving brainlet

[Anonymous No.11854866]

>>11854854
By this logic, why major or minor in anything? Everything taught to you in undergrad is well studied and established, so it can be found in books.

[Anonymous No.11854868]

>>11854856
What the fuck are you on about, retard? I never claimed to be introspective, nor attempted to discredit anyone.

[Anonymous No.11854872]

>>11854854
Not him but liberal art faggotry has invaded most science programs and you spend more time on pointless courses than on science.Philosophy is at least better than minoring in islamic studies

[Anonymous No.11854882]

>>11854866
The difference is that anyone can open a philosophy book and get what is being said. The same is not true for quantum mechanics.

[Anonymous No.11854885]

>>11854868
I am tired of this "us vs them" tween mentality that you faggots keep bringing up when that's why reddit was looked down in the first place. Reminder this muh reddit obsession began in 2016 when redditors vehemently called everything they disagreed to reddit to fit in

[Anonymous No.11854891]

>>11854866
Have fun majoring in any engineering degree by reading a book when 90% of it is practical

[Anonymous No.11854893]

Chemistry should be moved down to Top
Civil/Mech should be moved down to Mid
Economics should be in Shit
Theology should be in waste of life
History should be mid
Music should be mid
Foreign language should be shit

[Anonymous No.11854895]

>>11854882
>anyone can open a philosophy book and get what is being said.
This is not even remotely close to being true.

[Anonymous No.11854899]

>>11854895
Yes it is.

[Anonymous No.11854904]

>>11854882
>The difference is that anyone can open a philosophy book and get what is being said.
you don't even have to like philosophy to know this isn't true.
>The same is not true for quantum mechanics.
quantum mechanics at the undergrad level is largely shut up and calculate, and if you're lucky, your teacher will spend a lot of time on stern-gerlach.
I get your point but it's not really true or applicable, and to think otherwise is very underaged reddit of you

[Anonymous No.11854908]

>>11854899
It's not and it's immensely obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.11854912]

>>11854885
Literally where is the "us vs them" in my statement, you dense motherfucker? I literally said they are the same. How mentally retarded are you? Learn to fucking read, you mong.

[Anonymous No.11854914]

Your degree only goes as far as how you want to apply it. If you go into Maths and are absolutely insistent on getting a non-academic, non-teaching job that is math focused instead of just heavily using math (like data, finance, actuary, analysis, government) then you will face some problems finding it or if you do it being uber competitive.

If you go into African-American studies and want to go into NGO/gov work or you get a Women's Studies degree to help get into Law then that will help. Your degree will only go as far as how much you want to widen your horizons

[Anonymous No.11854917]

>I haaaaate math class. I like engineering classes, I love using math to solve the engineering problems(looking at u matrices), but Im fed up of unnecessarily, artificially challenging math classes, where I will literally use only a few concepts from the entire class. This is just a rant, I have a statistics class left and then Im done.

>Edit: Done with math, not uni :)

[Anonymous No.11854925]

>>11854904
>>11854908
Philosophy is just brain farts at the end of the day so half of the stuff is open to interpretation. Most people get versed in philosophy by reading books and by choosing to major in it, you are just eating up the professor's interpretation lmao. Now go back to muhh reddit since you're so obsessed with it

[Anonymous No.11854928]

>>11854914
>non-academic, non-teaching job that is math focused
Do these even exist?

[Anonymous No.11854935]

>>11854925
Philosophers can engage in conversation in any discipline and intellectually mog even people who spend their life working on that discipline. That is why it's so highly regarded.

[Anonymous No.11854944]

>>11854928
literally any industrial or national research lab

[Anonymous No.11854962]

>>11854925
>Philosophy is just brain farts at the end of the day so half of the stuff is open to interpretation.
someone hasn't read analytic philosophy. Continental is alright but it's pushed into peoples' heads that philosophy is "whoaaoao dude what if.." as a field when it's just a field of structured essays with their own guidelines for rigor.
>Most people get versed in philosophy by reading books
[source needed]
>you are just eating up the professor's interpretation lmao. Now go back to muhh reddit since you're so obsessed with it
I'm not really even into philosophy that much but like, why do stem students, especially those in engineering and in physics, feel the need to aggressively justify their choices by misrepresenting them? Do you know how misinformed this sounds?\
yeah yeah i get you're shitposting but people actually believe as you're saying

[Anonymous No.11854970]

>>11854962
>why do stem students, especially those in engineering and in physics, feel the need to aggressively justify their choices by misrepresenting them?
Mixture of low self-esteem, lack of a father figure growing up, and majoring in something they have no interest in and are simply in it for perceived monetary gains.

[Anonymous No.11854982]

>>11854917
>posts soijaks
Good that you admit that is true. Engineers seek actual innovation, not some mystery recipe that will become relevant 100 years later when some engineer saves your legacy by finding use for it
>>11854935
It's a fact most engineers and scientists are versed in philosophy but philosophers don't know jack shit about science and just play mental gymnastics to sound smart while saying nothing of substance, which brainlets buy as "mogging" lmao

[Anonymous No.11854987]

>>11854982
I can assure you that Leibniz was better versed in science than you ever will be.

[Anonymous No.11854992]

>>11854970
>monetary gains.
That would be Economics or Medicine though.

[Anonymous No.11854995]

>>11851255
I'm a mechanical engineer and my entire graduating class either became
>mechanical salesmen
>mechanical janitors/maintenance
>mechanical CAD monkeys
or
>electrical engineers

the only ones who actually made it to engineering ended up having to learn electrical anyways because that's what they designed in practicality. computer engineers have more relevant experience for mechanical engineer jobs than mechanical engineering students do.

[Anonymous No.11854999]

>>11854995
>>mechanical salesmen
>>mechanical janitors/maintenance
>>mechanical CAD monkeys
The absolute state.

[Anonymous No.11855013]

>>11854982
> Engineers seek actual innovation, not some mystery recipe that will become relevant 100 years later when some engineer saves your legacy by finding use for it
engineers constantly use mystery recipes though
>It's a fact most engineers and scientists are versed in philosophy
they're not. your mandatory engineering ethics class where the loudest, stupidest subset of students "proposed an objective solution to the trolley problem" is not "knowing philosophy"

[Anonymous No.11855015]

>>11854962
>it's just a field of structured essays with their own guidelines for rigor.
So literally brainfarts with no substance?
>[source needed]
The fact most people know philosophy just fine without a shitty degree
>why do stem students, especially those in engineering and in physics, feel the need to aggressively justify their choices by misrepresenting them?
"N-no dude! You're wrong! It's much deeper than that cos philosophy is deep!". That's your argument. And the reason why STEMchads don't like philosophy is because it goes against the very basic structure of a scientific discourse. You don't need facts, you need better mental gymnastics to be considered good at philosophy because it's a subjective criteria. This is evenmore evident why philosophers try to hijack achievements of science by claiming this *random process involved* was actually based on philosophy
>Do you know how misinformed this sounds?
How can I be misinformed when I'm right?
>>11854970
This is the biggest projection I have ever seen on 4chan. COPE
And there is unironically nothing wrong with majoring in something you have no interest in. You shouldn't dedicate years worth of your time in something just because you like it. That's a bloody lie. I'm sure that 99% of the people who major in anything probably have stuff they like doing more like reading books, watching sports, gardening etc but you don't see them getting a degree in those. At the end, what matters is money. If there is money, you'll live off well plus it's a good indicator of how relevant your field is.

[Anonymous No.11855021]

>>11855015
Science came from philosophy. You're either a troll or unironically underage.

[Anonymous No.11855023]

>>11855013
>engineers constantly use mystery recipes though
False. Engineers only use maths because they work in the real world and the slightest of calculation errors is enough to result in loss of thousands of dollars and many lives.
>where the loudest, stupidest subset of students "
Cope. It's stupid when we do it but intellectual when you fags do?
>proposed an objective solution to the trolley problem
There is no objectivity in philosophy

[Anonymous No.11855026]

>>11855021
>acktwelly logic is philosophical because philosophy is literally everything so all science is philosophy and you guys have us to thank!

[Anonymous No.11855029]

>>11855023
>Engineers
>Use math
Pick one.

[Anonymous No.11855031]

>>11855021
Just because the wiki page said physics was called 'natural philosophy' in its early stages doesn't mean science came from philosophy kiddo.

[Anonymous No.11855037]

>>11842892
Obviously made by someone that doesn't know the true power of a geologist armed with a rock hammet and a beer.
No matter what anyone says, always remember that geology rocks.

[Anonymous No.11855040]

>>11855029
You're right. We don't use maths, we just have lengthy intellectual discussions discussing all criteria that should be needed to build a bridge, then expose logical fallacies and hope the bridge works out fine.

[Anonymous No.11855060]

>>11855040
>We don't use maths
Correct.

[Anonymous No.11855068]

>>11855060
>you aren't using maths unless you make use of this complex maths we learned in 135637631th semester with no real world application
>you are using philosophy tho because everything is philosophy
I assume this is what your bunch calls "shifting goalposts as you deem fit"

[Anonymous No.11855071]

>>11855068
>>11855068
>you aren't using maths unless you make use of this complex maths we learned in 135637631th semester with no real world application
This but unironically.
>you are using philosophy tho because everything is philosophy
Where did I say or imply this? I never once mentioned philosophy.

[Anonymous No.11855076]

>>11855071
>Where did I say or imply this? I never once mentioned philosophy.
See >>11855021
>inb4 not me
Doesn't matter, this is still what vast majority of philosophers believe

[Anonymous No.11855084]

>>11855076
That has nothing to do with the fact that engineers don't do math.

[Anonymous No.11855086]

>>11854917
>>I haaaaate math class. I like engineering classes, I love using math to solve the engineering problems(looking at u matrices), but Im fed up of unnecessarily, artificially challenging math classes, where I will literally use only a few concepts from the entire class
Unironically true. This is why I assume so many people choose engineering over maths regardless of how much mathematicians project "i-it's just for the money!". What's the point of your post?

[Anonymous No.11855088]

>>11855084
We do justice to maths :)
Be grateful

[Anonymous No.11855091]

>>11854854
Because I like it and it's easier to learn in an academic setting, and I don't think philosophy is a meme field.

[Anonymous No.11855092]

>>11855088
I am.

[Anonymous No.11855097]

>>11855088
>>11855092
Honestly? It would be better if you two went back to doing the stuff you say you do than shitposting on this low IQ meta-/pol/ board

[Anonymous No.11855099]

>>11855097
Every board is meta-/pol/, at this point.

[Anonymous No.11855106]

>>11855099
The hobby boards and media boards (besides /v/) are doing just fine. The problem with /sci/ is that something being "scientific" has a positive stigma attached to it so /pol/tards instantly rush here to seek validation for their bullshit. This can be easily solved with better moderation and banning frogposters and wojakspammers but the mods literally don't seem to care. It's really sad. /sci/ used to be the only place where you could have in depth scientific discussions in such a casual manner.

[Anonymous No.11855110]

>>11855106
>The hobby boards and media boards (besides /v/) are doing just fine
/lit/ and /tv/ are two of the worst, though. Which is a shame because /lit/ used to be one of the better boards here.

[Anonymous No.11855114]

>>11855106
>The problem with /sci/ is that something being "scientific" has a positive stigma attached to it so /pol/tards instantly rush here to seek validation for their bullshit.
lol

[Anonymous No.11855157]

>>11855106
part of the problem is also that /sci/ is full of insecure faggots whose only meaningful way to get over their insecurity on what they're studying is to put down other majors. You saw this with both the engineering and the CS arguments here.

[Anonymous No.11855163]

>>11855157
>insecure faggots whose only meaningful way to get over their insecurity on what they're studying is to put down other majors.
This sentiment is really only prevalent in CS and engineering and disappears completely once you get to grad school (regardless of major).

[Anonymous No.11855172]

>>11842867
Theology should be in God-tier.

[Anonymous No.11855177]

>>11854893
t. seething commie atheist

[Anonymous No.11855182]

>>11855177
>t. newfag from reddit

[Anonymous No.11855183]

>>11854856
ok reddit

[Anonymous No.11855186]

>>11855182
Reddit is full of commie atheist brainlets like yourself.

[Anonymous No.11855196]

>>11854893
>>11854644
>>11843052
>>11844014
>>11843818
Euphoric posts, fellow redditors. Upboated!
*tips fedora*

[Anonymous No.11855202]

>>11855196
>Phoneposter
>Calling others reddit
You have to go back.

[Anonymous No.11855232]

>>11855163
it's this board that I'm talking about specifically

[Anonymous No.11855241]

>>11854760
t. reddit aspie that can only understand numbers.
>i fucking love science
you fuck off you tramp

[Anonymous No.11855256]

>>11855241
>i fucking love science

[Anonymous No.11855257]

>>11854823
Have some fucking self-awareness, you're coming across like a fucking childish rodent. Besides, engineering and CS are literally just 'rhote memorise what you can't copy paste' subjects. But you clearly study one of these so I'm looking forward to the reeeesponse.

[Anonymous No.11855279]

>>11854925
>brain farts
Imagine unironically using this phrase here. People from all subjects become well versed in their fields by reading books. Also no, you aren't expected to just take the professor's interpretation. You're speaking about something you know nothing about. If you knew anything you'd know what the subject of Philosophy actually is (you clearly don't) and you'd know that the influence of Philosophy is spread throughout the entirety of the STEM fields and seperating the two is fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.11855288]

>>11854982
>it's a fact most engineers and scientists are versed in philosophy
going to need a source for that fact. I suspect it was your own arsehole.

[Anonymous No.11855297]

>>11855279
Nah, some nobody on /sci/ has irreversibly dismantled the entire field of philosophy. Aristotle and Kant utterly BTFO.

[Anonymous No.11855298]

>>11855076
>hurr you said science came from philosophy so you're saying everything came from philosophy
If you studied philosophy you'd see the flaw in your own reasoning and wouldn't make such a mouthbreather post.

[Anonymous No.11855385]

>>11850422
CEs all go into software anyways so it's like CS with extra steps

[Anonymous No.11855398]

we're almost 300 posts in and there isn't a csfag isn't bragging about money yet
guess i'll do it...

[Anonymous No.11855430]

>>11855398
Reminder that Google is also known to lowball L3 offers on the basis that people will join purely for the brand name.

[Anonymous No.11855464]

>>11855430
180k seems about normal for bay area faang new grad tho. they probably don't offer you much more unless you downlevel or can negotiate
number is inflated they do end up only giving like 130-150 TC in other regions, but take home is higher there sometimes

[Anonymous No.11855546]

>>11855464
San Fran also has exorbitant living costs.

[Anonymous No.11855633]

>>11855546
180k
After tax 120k
3000/mo rent for 500sqft - 84k
1000/ utils - 72k
2000 food - 48k
Say 18k in other bs, 30k
30k into savings a year, not awful

[Anonymous No.11855742]

>>11855633
>1000/ utils - 72k
wut?

if those are the real numbers those are godawful
NY and seattle all of the living expenses you listed are about 3k total if you're reasonable plus less income tax

[Anonymous No.11855852]

>>11842867
Yes, yes well done non-CS well done non-CS HOWEVER. Do you have an entire category of visa designed specifically to slow your profession's wage growth?

[Anonymous No.11855877]

>>11855633
>2000 food
how fucking inept are people

[Anonymous No.11855881]

>>11855877
The incompetent is a glutton without remorse.

[Anonymous No.11855886]

>>11843442
Why consider history in shit-tier ?

[Anonymous No.11855955]

>>11855886
At the uni level history is a pretty shit major. Faculty is infested with feminists, faggots, and libcucks. Also a lot of it tends towards theory and away from hard facts. Speaking as someone with a MA in history. I finally got tired and dropped out of PhD program. Historiography is worthwhile but approach with caution.

[Anonymous No.11855965]

If OP is not a troll, I feel like he has a pretty insane obsession with CS.
I'm a CStard but I feel pretty good to receive so much attention to be honest.

[Anonymous No.11855970]

>>11842867
> tfw CS grad
> tfw only 195k TC starting

[Anonymous No.11855974]

>>11855965
>he has a pretty insane obsession with CS.

[Anonymous No.11855987]

>>11842867
>IT /> Comp Sci
Open bob /> logic

[Anonymous No.11856162]

just graduated in December with a CS major, started looking and found a job in 2 months, 70k+ starting at a fortune 500 company with no contacts or previous internships, and a 3.1 GPA. "CS is a meme" is a meme, good luck to all my bros, it's more than possible, fuck you / sci/ for the constant doubt you placed in my mind, I was foolish take anything on here seriously.

[Anonymous No.11856402]

>>11855157
>>11855163
Oh please, you fags act like puritans to put down engineering and CS all the time and pretend monetary gains don't matter at all.The problem is this console war thread this board regularly gets spammed with.
Besides that other anon is right, philosophy really is inferior to scientific disciplines as a field. Yet philosophers always have an air of superiority around them and use some mental gymnastic they learnt in uni and apply it to every fucking thing to seem smart and go "maybe you people should learn a thing about philosophy". How often do you see some STEMfag bring up his 'vast knowledge' in a discussion about literature? I used to buy it as well when I was a teenager but after spending 4 years learning engineering and grinding through all that knowledge to develop my skills, all that 'knowledge' philosophers flex on only appears like mombo-jumbo

[Anonymous No.11856404]

>>11855196
seething christcuck

[Anonymous No.11856450]

>>11855241
Only numbers give the most objective picture you fucking schizo, not your retarded thought experiments
>hating on people for being amazed by science on /sci/
go back to your containment board >>>/lit/
>>11855257
>rhote memorising CS or engineering
Nice job exposing yourself as a sub 60 iq brainlet who has no idea what he is talking about. Unlike you faggots who sit all day discussing your retarded THOT EXPERIMENTS, engineering and CS are practical fields and there is very little stuff you can actually just memorize. Engineering is concerned with practical applications of the knowledge, not the knowledge itself
>>11855279
>>11855297
Not in fields with practical applications where reading books is only 20% of the learning procedure.
>you aren't expected to just take the professor's interpretation
You are attending to earn the professor's interpretation, you can stick with them or go one step further with your own interpretation. This again only means subjective bullshit.
>Philosophy is spread throughout the entirety of the STEM fields and seperating the two is fucking retarded.
i-it's all philosophy duuude!
Lol retard. That is only because you faggots claim logic is philosophy so everything is! Besides, you are proving yourself wrong by saying that because that applies STEMfags need not learn philosophy to be good at philosophy since it's inherent to STEM.
>>11855288
Have you been living under a rock? Most stem courses nowadays have been invaded with bullshit and require you to spend as much time on liberal arts as on your primary discipline. The hate for liberal arts isn't just based on "lol professor liberal arts dumb"

[Anonymous No.11856452]

>>11856450
>You are attending to earn
learn*
>that applies STEMfags need not learn
implies*
>"lol professor liberal arts dumb"
"lol professor said liberal arts dumb"

[Anonymous No.11856619]

>>11856402
Shut up, reddit.

[Anonymous No.11856622]

>>11855186
>>11855196
>>11855241
You guys sure know a lot about reddit, why not go back?

[Anonymous No.11856624]

>>11856619
>everything is reddit
Nyaruhodo

[Anonymous No.11856625]

>>11856622
>why not go back?
Because this is my home.

[Anonymous No.11856628]

>>11856624
in his defense, there is probably a subreddit for everything

[Anonymous No.11856632]

>>11856625
>meta-/pol/ is his home board
That's just sad
>>11856628
>unironically discussing reddit
absolute state

[Anonymous No.11856634]

>>11856632
Someone has to redpill the normies.

[Anonymous No.11856635]

>>11856632
>discussing reddit
Idc about reddit mate, but I'm not gonna pretend I have no idea how that site works

[Anonymous No.11856639]

>>11856634
>trumpanzee
>frogposter
>unironically uses redpill
>normies
Fucking kill yourself election tourist

[Anonymous No.11856642]

>>11856639
We're here to stay, compadre.

[Anonymous No.11856651]

>>11856642
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.11856655]

>>11856651
Two scoops! Two terms!

[Anonymous No.11856656]

>>11856655
Don't care, didn't ask. Fuck off

[Anonymous No.11856810]

>>11855877
He’s also normally getting free meals every weekday at Google, so he must be going to Michelin star restaurants every weekend.

[Anonymous No.11856931]

>>11842867
Wow my thread has really degenerated lmao

[Anonymous No.11856941]

>>11855877
i've heard of some people me ubering into work every day, probably like $30-$40 one way every day
these are 21 year old kids being handed like 12k a month, they don't know wtf to do with money