/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.1184173]

ITT: Your face when you learned that people have a problem with abortion.

[Anonymous No.1184178]

My face when I learned that.

[Anonymous No.1184184]

[Anonymous No.1184207]

DERP A BEATING HEART OBVIOUSLY MEANS THAT IT'S SENTIENT

[Anonymous No.1184211]

>ITT: Your face when you learned that people have a problem with killing babies

[Anonymous No.1184221]

>>1184211


>Implying abortion kills living humans

[The ThunderBird !!ywzdHL9EJZq No.1184256]

>>1184207
I'm going to sound a complete monster again, but personally, I don't consider a human sentient until I can carry a meaningful conversation with it which usually occurs around the age of four-five. In some people, later, possibly never. Such as those people who run this site: http://conservapedia.com

[Anonymous No.1184259]

[Anonymous No.1184274]

>>1184256
Or this site.
http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/

[Anonymous No.1184442]

>>1184259

>my face when browsing /sci/

[Anonymous No.1184465]

Babies don't have self conscience before they are like a half year old. Might as well kill em when they are 3 months old.

[Anonymous No.1184471]

>>1184465
Well, there we start running into a slippery slope.

[Anonymous No.1184487]

>>1184221
Are you serious or is this a joke?

[Anonymous No.1184493]

>>1184471

Which we're technically already on.

[Anonymous No.1184508]

>>1184173
>My face when you have no morals.

[Anonymous No.1184514]

ITT: People think that unborn babies are sentient.

[Anonymous No.1184518]

>my face when I realized the basis for all morals is emotional bullshit

[Anonymous No.1184527]

>>1184508
>implying that aborting a 13 year old rape victim's baby is immoral

[Anonymous No.1184532]

[Anonymous No.1184535]

>>1184518
>Implying emotions are useless.

Sure, lets be aimals and stay like that forever DERPY DERP.

[Anonymous No.1184544]

>>1184527
>implying that killing a child because of the conditions of his/her conception is justifiable

[Anonymous No.1184547]

>>1184514
You don't think an unborn baby is able to feel sensations? You think this idea has some kind of scientific basis?

[Anonymous No.1184560]

>>1184544


>implying making a 13 year old rape victim go though pregnancy is ok, just as long as that baby gets to live.

[Anonymous No.1184570]

ITT: People who don't realize abortion is only legal until 24 weeks and that for the first half of that timeframe a baby is nothing but a blob of cells with no shape

[Anonymous No.1184577]

>>1184535

Most animals act solely on emotion. Most of our morals are actually based on our animal instincts and often are not the best decisions.

[Anonymous No.1184604]

>>1184527
>Implying aborting someone's life out of existance is not evil.

Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't gives you the ability to decide for others.

Don't give me that bullshit of "lololo they never knew they existed lololo", because who wouldn't take the chance of living.

[Anonymous No.1184637]

People support abortion because they know they're "out of the woods" and will never be at risk of it happening to themselves.

[Anonymous No.1184638]

>ITT: Your face when you learned that people have a problem with abortion.
>My face.

[No.1184639]

>>1184604
>>1184604
>Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't gives you the ability to decide for others.
you sir are pro choice, not sure if you are aware of that

[Anonymous No.1184641]

>>1184637
Yep, this is why I also support killing five year olds.

[Anonymous No.1184644]

[Anonymous No.1184645]

>>1184604

>Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't gives you the ability to decide for others.

and what exactly is it you're doing then?
I'm all for abortions because I value the womans rights over the parasite growing inside her

[Anonymous No.1184651]

>>1184604
>because who wouldn't take the chance of living
>implying a fetus is capable of making a conscious choice

[Anonymous No.1184657]

>>1184604
>implying that an undeveloped fetus has the cognitive capacity for thought on the level of "I might not live, but I sure want to try"

[Anonymous No.1184659]

>>1184641
It's not the only reason. I'm saying that if your views about abortion could have a direct effect on you you might change your mind.

[Anonymous No.1184669]

>>1184604
you know who would like a chance at life? the clonable cells on my ass that I just scratched off

[Anonymous No.1184678]

>>1184651
>>1184657

Then can we abort 2 month old babies too? They can't make reasoned decisions and express them either.

[Anonymous No.1184698]

>>1184678
there's a difference between not being able to express a choice and being so simple that you aren't even conscious of anything

[Anonymous No.1184715]

[Anonymous No.1184718]

>>1184698
But foetuses can respond to external stimuli like babies. Where's the difference in the level of consciousness?

[Anonymous No.1184722]

>>1184173

[Anonymous No.1184725]

>>1184718
Plants can respond to external stimuli as well. We need a better qualifier than this.

[Anonymous No.1184741]

>>1184725
Very well then. Tell me: what make a foetus less conscious than a baby? Because it makes less noise? Because the brain miraculously switches on at birth?

[Anonymous No.1184760]

Why not just make the time limit for abortions shorter?..

[Anonymous No.1184761]

>>1184741

Brain development.

[Anonymous No.1184763]

>>1184718
single celled organisms can respond to external stimuli

[Anonymous No.1184766]

>>1184741
At what point did I claim consciousness starts at birth? I do not support abortion as late as the third trimester except in medical circumstances. Consciousness requires a functioning brain. Until the fetus develops this, it is not conscious.

[Anonymous No.1184774]

>>1184741
if having a nervous system at all = consciousness, then shrimp are conscious and worthy of moral consideration

[Anonymous No.1184776]

>>1184761
You'll need to do better than that. What's the difference between the brain of a 5.5 month foetus that's legal to abort and a 6 month foetus that's illegal to abort?

[Anonymous No.1184783]

>>1184766
well that isn't a ridiculous position

[Anonymous No.1184785]

>>1184776
there needs to be SOME line

[Anonymous No.1184787]

>>1184256
I agree, but my reasoning is even though baby's are worthless in usefulness, their essential to our race. So their in. Fetuses and embryos on the other hand are useful in their destruction, but destroying to many will damage the mental state of humanity, ei; forced abortions. So, pro-choice is the way to go, sense it evens everything out.

[Anonymous No.1184790]

>>1184776
uhh 15 days of brain development?

[Anonymous No.1184796]

against abortion, for killing babies

[Anonymous No.1184806]

>>1184766
I was offering possible explanations for your point of view. Don't pretend this was strawmanning.

How do you decide what constitutes a "functioning brain"? Does someone with Alzheimer's or Down Syndrome have a "functioning brain" in your opinion?

[Anonymous No.1184814]

>>1184785
Of course but you have to recognise how arbitrary it is.

[Anonymous No.1184822]

>>1184814

You need to recognize how arbitrary every moral decision is.

[Anonymous No.1184832]

"i like you"

[Anonymous No.1184839]

non issue only whores and closet dykes get abortions and we don't want them fucking up the gene pool anyway.

Also when we learn to identify homosexuality during fetal development then we can stamp that out to.

[Anonymous No.1184840]

>>1184790
And it's that 15 days worth of extra development that gives a foetus the right to life? What particular structural changes in the brain at this stage do you think warrants this distinction?

[Anonymous No.1184841]

From as soon as the sperm and egg meet it is a human life and is murder.

[Anonymous No.1184848]

>>1184822
I can't argue with that.

[Anonymous No.1184851]

>>1184822
then I think abortion should be illegal.

[Anonymous No.1184862]

>>1184604
Ok, so it's wrong to kill people because that takes away their life.

It's wrong to abort someone because it prevents them from living at all. I'm with you so far.

Is it wrong to wear a condom for the same reason? Well... I guess. Ok, no more condoms or birth control.

Wait, hang on. Say I'm about to have sex with someone, but then something happens and kills the mood. Is it immoral to not keep going and have sex?

WAIT WAIT, what about before that? What if at any point during my life I choose to do something other than have unprotected sex? My god... think of all the lives I'm not creating?

I AM AN IMMORAL BASTARD.

Unless you can point out a clear line in the chain of causality leading up to a birth, before which it's ok to interupt and after which it's no longer ok, then I'm going to stick to "it's not murder if the victim isn't conscious".

[Anonymous No.1184865]

<3 this thread

[Anonymous No.1184881]

I don't think there can be an unbiased definition of humanity.

[Anonymous No.1184887]

>>1184806
Yes. Their brain functions. It may not function to standards that are considered medically correct, but it still functions. Neurons fire, thoughts are produced, memories are stored (less efficiently in Alzheimer's).

Now, if we were talking about someone that is in a state of brain-death with the body kept alive by a life support system, I would say there's no difference between ending that existence and ending the existence of an undeveloped fetus that has not yet developed a functioning brain. Of course, there is no specific time when we can say "the brain is now developed to a sufficient level to produce consciousness" so after a certain point in the pregnancy, things become murky and should be taken on a case-by-case basis.

[Anonymous No.1184889]

>>1184881

Outside of genetics of course.

[Anonymous No.1184896]

not me btw.

[Anonymous No.1184902]

>>1184841
Murder: The UNLAWFUL killing of a human being by another human being.

If abortion is not illegal, then it is not murder.

[Anonymous No.1184917]

[Anonymous No.1184951]

>>1184902
No.

[Anonymous No.1184952]

>>1184887
I think the point at which this is set is far too late.

[Anonymous No.1184974]

You are a pro-choice ?
abort
You aren't?
don't abort

problem solved, you can go home now.

[Anonymous No.1184981]

>>1184951

You want to argue the DEFINITION of a LEGAL term?

>>1184952

I think that, based on our current knowledge, it may be set too late for unrestricted abortions, and after whatever point is set, abortions should only be available for medical purposes. If you're getting into your second trimester, you should probably have already made a decision about whether you're going to go through with it or not.

[Anonymous No.1184983]

My face when people have problems with people's opinion.

[Anonymous No.1184988]

>>1184974
You are pro choice?
Abort, or don't, depending on what you choose.
You aren't?
Don't abort.

FTFY

[Anonymous No.1184990]

>>1184981
Yes, yes, exactly, 3 months was what I was going to say.

[Anonymous No.1184991]

/thread

[Anonymous No.1184997]

>>1184983
>my face when people's opinions matter because they affect national laws

[Anonymous No.1185006]

>>1184983
ok

I'm gonna go murder some people and then maybe rob a liquor store

well shit folks, it's just my opinion that murder and theft are moral.

[Anonymous No.1185008]

>>1184983
My face when people (not you) think that their opinion should dictate the behaviour of the rest of society.

[Anonymous No.1185014]

>>1184990
I'd agree with 3 months as the cut off point for a no questions asked abortion.

[Anonymous No.1185018]

>>1184981
> LEGAL term
this isn't a fucking courthouse, it's an argument about morals.

[Anonymous No.1185029]

>>1184974
You're a paedophile?
Rape Children

You aren't?
Don't

Yeah yeah I know but you see how that was a bad argument for being lessez faire about ethics

[Anonymous No.1185035]

>>1185029
You're religious; aren't you?

[Anonymous No.1185038]

>>1185008
It's opinion that murder is wrong, yes? And you expect society to uphold that opinion through laws and police, right? If so, you're a hypocrite.

[Anonymous No.1185040]

>>1185018
Then stop emotionally manipulating people by deliberately using inaccurate terms. Abortion ends life, yes. It is killing. It is not murder. Eating a cabbage ends life. It is also killing. It is not murder. Not all killing is murder, it has a very specific definition.

[Anonymous No.1185041]

>>1185035
Do you have to be religious to use a reductio ad absurdum?

[Anonymous No.1185043]

>>1185035
No. Do you always stereotype people with different viewpoints?

[Anonymous No.1185049]

>>1185040
Ok fine, but if you're argument was that "murder" is an emotionally burdened term, then that's the argument you should have used. It was stupid to just drag out the legal definition.

[Anonymous No.1185052]

We do science and R&D for the future of humanity.

We keep babies living so they can enjoy sentience when they have

its not that they can think now its that they will later.

[Anonymous No.1185056]

>>1185043
Not at all, just checking. The majority of people that oppose abortion do so for religious reasons, and it would be convenient to point out that the Bible does not consider abortion murder.

[Anonymous No.1185070]

>>1185056
Very well.

[Anonymous No.1185073]

>>1185038
>It's opinion that murder is wrong, yes? And you expect society to uphold that opinion through laws and police, right? If so, you're a hypocrite.

Yes, but I don't expect this solely on the basis that murder is wrong in my opinion, but on the idea that I don't want someone to kill me, and understand that the overwhelming majority of other people also have the same desire to not be killed.

>I don't want to be killed.
>I'm okay with society taking steps to reduce the risk of this happening.
>X doesn't agree with abortions.
>X doesn't need society to take steps to ensure they don't accidentally get an abortion because people don't go around performing forceful abortions on people.

[Anonymous No.1185087]

>>1185049
If we're discussing an issue that inevitably leads to discussion of legislation, then using legal terms correctly is important.

[Anonymous No.1185089]

>>1185070
Is your name René?

[Anonymous No.1185119]

>>1185052
So will the sperm and egg cells. So will the sex hormones prompting the sexual act. So will the photons composing the TV-movie sex scene that prompted those hormones. Point out a clean line or get out.

[Anonymous No.1185149]

if abortion is murder,

then miscarriages would be... involuntary manslaughter? right?

[Anonymous No.1185154]

>>1185040


taking away chance at life =/= killing

[Anonymous No.1185328]

>>1185154
A fetus is alive. That's not the issue here.

[Anonymous No.1185343]

>>1185328


A fetus during the legal period of abortion is not alive. Troll harder.

[Anonymous No.1185427]

[Anonymous No.1185444]

>>1185343
Not trolling. What qualifiers for life does a fetus not meet?

[Anonymous No.1185475]

>>1185444
Being more than a fluid sac in which a few chemical reactions take place.

Early-stage feotuses aren't conscious. They're no more living than a vial full of of organic chemicals.

[Anonymous No.1185513]

>>1185475
>Being more than a fluid sac in which a few chemical reactions take place.

So single celled organisms aren't alive, then?

>Early-stage feotuses aren't conscious. They're no more living than a vial full of of organic chemicals.

Consciousness is not a qualifier for life, unless you're going to suggest that plants aren't alive?

[Anonymous No.1185518]

>>1185513

conscience is not a qualifier for life, but its kind of is for sympathy.
America doesnt fucking lose it when you mow your lawn, does it?

[Anonymous No.1185530]

>>1185518
We weren't talking about feeling sympathy for a fetus, we were talking about whether or not a fetus is alive.

[Anonymous No.1185535]

Depriving anything of future that it was likely to have is wrong. Fetuses are very likely to grow up into adult humans. Abortion prevents that from happening. Therefore, abortion is wrong because it deprives fetuses of their potential future.

[Anonymous No.1185555]

ITT: /sci/ proves how philosophically illiterate it is in the afternoons.

Fucking summerfags

[Anonymous No.1185558]

>>1185513
>>1185530
No we're not you fucking idiot. Whether a foetus is biologically alive has absolutely, and I mean ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with to the ethics of abortion. I shouldn't even have to explain that.

[Anonymous No.1185568]

>>1185535
Do you eat meat?

[Anonymous No.1185588]

>>1185568
The argument there would be that animals don't "have a future", since they're not intelligent and therefore don't have an appreciation for life as humans do.

[Lord Edin of the Stoner age !09ENY0w322 No.1185590]

... abortion should only be used for rape and incest cases. oh yeah and bad parents

[Anonymous No.1185595]

>>1185568
Yes, but factory raised chicken that are bred to be used as food.

[Anonymous No.1185596]

>>1185558
>>1185343
>A fetus during the legal period of abortion is not alive.

So we're not talking about the point that was brought up here?

How is whether or not a fetus is alive irrelevant to the ethics of abortion? Isn't the idea that it is alive one of the main points in the pro-life/pro-choice argument?

[Anonymous No.1185597]

I have serious problems with people not having abortions.

[Anonymous No.1185601]

>>1185535Depriving anything of future that it was likely to have is wrong. Sperm are very likely to grow up into adult humans. Abstinence prevents that from happening. Therefore, abstinence is wrong because it deprives sperm of their potential future.

[Anonymous No.1185608]

>>1185596
No, the main argument is over whether or not a fetus is a person.

[Anonymous No.1185613]

>>1185343A fetus during the legal period of abortion is not alive.

Sperm are alive at the period of ejaculation. Killing sperm is not murder (despite what the Catholic Church said for a few centuries)

[Anonymous No.1185619]

>>1185595
So it's okay to kill something that has been born, then lived it's entire life in captivity (being conscious the entire time), but not okay to end the existence of a POTENTIAL person that hasn't achieved consciousness, yet?

[Anonymous No.1185633]

>>1185608
Then why didn't you bring this up in the first place, instead of throwing a hissy fit when I started discussing the point that you originally brought up?

[Anonymous No.1185635]

>>1185596
No, because you're talking about whether or not it's biologically alive. There's a difference.

[Anonymous No.1185639]

My problem with anti-choicers is that their entire argument rests on the assumption that killing humans is bad.

[Anonymous No.1185643]

>>1185601
In a single ejaculate there are something like 300 million sperm per millimeter. The average ejaculate is 3.5 ml I am not statistician but a 1/(3.5*300 million) chance of fertilizing an egg does not seem like a very big probability to me.

[Anonymous No.1185645]

>>1185635
>>1185343
>A fetus during the legal period of abortion is not alive.

So when you said "alive" you didn't actually mean "alive"?

[Anonymous No.1185652]

>>1185639
Their starting premise is that killing INNOCENT humans is bad and it is a pretty good starting point.

[Anonymous No.1185660]

>>1185643sperm per millimeter

So what they travel in single file now?

>>1185643a 1/(3.5*300 million) chance of fertilizing an egg does not seem like a very big probability to me.

Over 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriages. If you start talking about how something deserves rights just because it's more likely to survive you're splitting hairs.

[Anonymous No.1185668]

I have a license to kill within the first 3 months

[Anonymous No.1185672]

>>1185652Their starting premise is that killing INNOCENT humans is bad and it is a pretty good starting point.

I don't follow. For humans to be innocent they would have to have some sort of carte blanch which has been shown to be not the case. Then there's the little issue that a great many of the anti-choicers believe in original sin...

Calling fetuses innocent is a pretty big assumption.

[Anonymous No.1185673]

>>1185660
>Over 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriages

I am going to need a source for that. I think you may be fucking with the numbers a bit.

[Anonymous No.1185676]

>>1185672
>For humans to be innocent they would have to have some sort of carte blanch which has been shown to be not the case.

What? How?

[Anonymous No.1185695]

>>1184997
>my face when I don't care about national laws because I laugh at seriousfags

[Anonymous No.1185700]

[Anonymous No.1185705]

>>1185673
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/27/us/study-finds-31-rate-of-miscarriage.html

Not quite 50% but the precise numbers are a bit difficult to get given that most miscarriages occur before a woman even knows she's pregnant.

[Anonymous No.1185710]

>>1185645
Do you mean "alive" as in, fitting the biological definition of life? If that's the case, then getting a simple cut on your arm is genocide.

Do you mean "alive" as in, sentient, sapient, conscious, and with a functional brain? Consciousness doesn't even BEGIN to happen until 3 months in, and a baby is still essentially brainless until a few months to a year or two out of the womb (depending on your definition).

[Anonymous No.1185713]

>>1185676
A lot of babies are evil little bastards. They don't learn this after they emerge into the world, it's innate.

[Anonymous No.1185717]

[Anonymous No.1185723]

>>1185710a baby is still essentially brainless until a few months to a year or two out of the womb (depending on your definition).

Quite a large percentage of people are essentially brainless their entire lives...

[Anonymous No.1185730]

>>1185713
Truth. They don't learn human concepts like "sympathy" and "empathy" until they're at least 2, or longer. They only care about themselves. Selfish pricks.

[Anonymous No.1185732]

My face when people argue that fetuses are not alive even though they clearly look human

[Anonymous No.1185741]

>>1185732My face when people argue that dolls are not alive even though they clearly look human

[Anonymous No.1185747]

>>1185741
my face when you've just compared a fetus with a doll

[Anonymous No.1185748]

>>1185732
>>My face because of this post

a fetus is a parasite to the mother, it cannot survive without it during those 9 months

[Anonymous No.1185754]

>>1185732


my face when people think that photos of humans are not alive, evan though they clearly look human

[Anonymous No.1185756]

>>1185732
>>1185741

my face when women who get rid of these things that feel nothing and are not human encounter years of guilt and emotional distress over killing a son or a daughter because it is legally permissable

[Anonymous No.1185759]

Shit, its too late.

[Anonymous No.1185763]

>>1185748
Well, it's only acting as a parasite if the mother doesn't want it.

And, before anyone flips the fuck out, I said ACTING as a parasite, since most definitions require that a parasite be of a different species from the host.

[Anonymous No.1185770]

>>1185710
Do you think you might have stated what YOU meant by "alive" in your first post to avoid all this confusion? To clear things up from my side, I see a fetus as:

Alive in the biological sense, not conscious until a certain point ~3months+ into the pregnancy.

[Anonymous No.1185776]

I don't look at it from the perspective of 'is a human being killed?'. I look at it from the perspective of 'how easy is it to replace the resource you're removing?'.

That is to say: it's really easy to just make more babby if oops this one ded (for any reason).

[Anonymous No.1185783]

>>1185705
Per the article:
>But once an egg is fertilized, according to the study, the pregnancy has a 31 percent chance of ending in a miscarriage.

31% is a far cry from the 50% you mentioned. Also a fertilized egg is not a fetus. The argument you taking issue with mentions only the fetus as having a fairly good chance of growing into a human being.

[Anonymous No.1185784]

>>1185759
Fucking lol

[Anonymous No.1185794]

IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER ROUND OF SPOT THE HUMAN FETUS

IS THIS A HUMAN?!?

>>1185732
YOU, YOU SEEM TO THINK THAT FETUSES LOOK HUMAN. IS THIS A HUMAN?

Pic 1/4

[Anonymous No.1185800]

>>1185756my face when women who get rid of these things that feel nothing and are not human encounter years of guilt and emotional distress over killing a son or a daughter because it is legally permissable

Well that's the woman's fault for being emotional and irrational isn't it? Plenty of animals eat their young they can't take care of because it's the most efficient way for them to go about reproduction.

[Anonymous No.1185801]

>>1185770
Psh, I'm not the OP, and that was my first post in this thread.

SPOT THE HUMAN 2/4

[Anonymous No.1185808]

>>1185794
>implying that appearance has anything to do with whether or not abortion is wrong

FROM NOW ON UGLY PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER HUMAN.

[Anonymous No.1185813]

oh my, are you serious with this carte blanche tabla rasa stuff? not again..I am not going there.

anyway, abortions. fetuses are not conscious, therefore they are just a parasite inside the womb. memories, how most people think of them anyway, don't begin forming until around age 3. i'm all for the woman's right to have an abortion. population control = we need that shit. too many people, too little resources, have an abortion today.

some of you will say "oh but I remember when...." I'm sure you do, sweetheart. what happens is that your parents or whatever tell you the same baby stories until you ultimately incorporate it into your own memory. try it with a little kid. after telling them so many times that they did go to disney world when they were 3 they'll eventually beleive it. saves a lot of money. photoshop.

[Anonymous No.1185823]

>>1185808
I'm not implying that at all you fucking imbecile.

He said:
>My face when people argue that fetuses are not alive even though they clearly look human
So, I'm posting some human-looking fetuses (one of which is human, I don't even know which one), to see if said know-it-all can pick out the human of the bunch.

[Anonymous No.1185826]

>>1185808

LIKE WE WERE HUMAN TO BEGIN WITH

[Anonymous No.1185827]

>>1185813
Pro-choicers: Killing 3 year olds is A-OK!

[Anonymous No.1185829]

My face when women rather have a doctor crawl up their vaginas with a knife rather than use birth control

[Anonymous No.1185830]

>>1185783 31% is a far cry from the 50% you mentioned.

It's within an order of magnitude, close enough.

>>1185808FROM NOW ON UGLY PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER HUMAN.

imokwiththis.jpg

[Anonymous No.1185832]

>my face when people think they know better what to do with a woman's body better than she does (and i guess the father has some opinion too, unless her life depends on it, in that case ABORT ABORT ABORT)

[Anonymous No.1185837]

>>1185823
Holy fucking shit I saw this movie. KILL IT WITH FIRE!

>>1185829My face when women rather have a doctor crawl up their vaginas with a knife rather than use birth control

My face when people think that abortion is an alternative to birth control rather than a last resort when birth control fails.

[Anonymous No.1185844]

I'm fine with abortion as long as the 'organism' doesn't suffer(feel pain) during the process.

[Anonymous No.1185847]

>>1185832my face when people think they know better what to do with a woman's body better than she does

WOAH WOAH WOAH. Hold on there. We're talking about abortion. If you want to talk about a woman having control over her own body that's an entirely different topic.

[Anonymous No.1185848]

>>1185813
I wish your mother aborted a stupid fucker like you.

gtfo my /sci/

[Anonymous No.1185849]

>>1185830
>It's within an order of magnitude, close enough.

That's not how statistics/reality works.

[Anonymous No.1185853]

>>1185827
This is what we call a "strawman" fallacy.

This poster completely ignored everything except for the statement that memories don't begin to form until age 3, and then ONLY attacked that part, trying to say that other poster thinks that abortion of up to age 3 is okay.

While that may be the case for some pro-choicers, that was not the crux of the argument at all. It wasn't even specifically about abortion.

Oh, shit, I forgot to post embryo 4 of SPOT THE HUMAN.

And, I am neither of those two posters, just so you know.

[Anonymous No.1185856]

>>1185844I'm fine with abortion as long as the 'organism' doesn't suffer(feel pain) during the process.

How exactly do you measure that?

[Anonymous No.1185859]

>>1185853
That's not a human embryo is it?

[Anonymous No.1185861]

>>1185853
you're not conbincing anyone
You can clearly tell it has eyes legs,arms and ears

[Anonymous No.1185864]

>>1185853
Cow?

[Anonymous No.1185879]

>>1185853
>guy who thinks that humanity is based upon looks calling others out on perceived fallacies

[Anonymous No.1185886]

>>1185856
Well they don't have ANY consciousness until 3-5 months in, and the nervous system isn't attached until over 5 months in, so prior to that, there is no possible way for a fetus to feel pain.

Also, here's a picture of a lion and a housecat in the womb. D'aw.

[Anonymous No.1185896]

>>1185879
What are you even trying to say?

I can't even begin to refute you since you aren't making a bit of sense.

[Anonymous No.1185899]

lol

[Anonymous No.1185907]

A woman has no right to control her own body. The choice should be left to the male that impregnated her and no one else. It is his seed after all.

[Anonymous No.1185911]

>>1185853
Oh, just found out, this linked post is a dog embryo. That is a dog.

This is a dolphin:

[Anonymous No.1185918]

>>1185813

>memories, how most people think of them anyway, don't begin forming until around age 3.
>some of you will say "oh but I remember when...." I'm sure you do, sweetheart.

How do you test that, then? If you arbitrarily ignore any response indicating the formation of memories before then, then sure you would conclude that they form around 3 years old.

Im not disagreeing that memories start to hold ground around that age, but the way you frame it doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous No.1185972]

[Anonymous No.1186006]

Sorry, when I try to express an opinion on a firey topic it often results in poor diction.

Anyway, memories. It is a very squishy thing to measure, obviously. If you know "event A" occured in the child's life, something that was big enough to warrant remembering, and ask the child they will say, at least the first time, that nothing happened. Alternatively, more squishy, you simply ask a person they're first memory...ever. The average age for such an experience is around 3 years. I know this retrospective style sucks methodologically, but there's not much you can ask little meatbags.

Also, this only applies to memories in the traditional sense. Motor memory, conditioning, etc are present in the early stages of life. But then again these types of learning/memory are present in the simplest of organisms.

[Anonymous No.1186032]

>>1186006
Interestingly, my first real memory, aside from one that I'm going to talk about in a minute, was my 3rd birthday. It was pretty awesome.

Although, something interesting happened during my life. Throughout my entire life, up until a few years ago, I occasionally had a dream or dream-like "memory" of something that happened when I was young. That's all I could remember was that I was young, and in the front seat of my dad's truck, when he almost hit another car during a blizzard, served off the road, and almost hit a tree.

It's not a memory that my parents would talk about with me, but it's something that I always "remembered" somewhat as a dream, until, a few years ago, I asked about it. My dad was incredibly surprised, and I found out that it happened when I was 18 months old, and the details were spot-on.

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[Anonymous No.1186061]

Ok we get it assholes
You're still not going to be able to farm embryos for the stem cells

[Anonymous No.1186072]

[Anonymous No.1186073]

>>1185861
I has 4 limbs, ears, eyes, and a head.
Just like nearly every other fucking mammal on the planet.

[Anonymous No.1186119]

concur

[Anonymous No.1186165]

>>1186119


wtf man

[Anonymous No.1186309]

>implying ITT: is not trolls trolling trolls

[Anonymous No.1186461]

>>1186119


wow

[Anonymous No.1186476]

Did you know that jews actually believe the opposite of christians? The orthodox ones, at least. They say that a baby is only a human after it exits the vagina. Anyway, my face.

[Anonymous No.1186484]

ABORTIONS FOR SOME

MINIATURE AMERICAN FLAGS FOR OTHERS

[Anonymous No.1186495]

Every human being was a single cell for about 30 minutes.

Abort as many as you like, this planet will be overcrowded forever.

[Anonymous No.1186505]

>>1186476
Always knew I liked those Jews...

[Anonymous No.1186534]

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[Anonymous No.1186540]

>>1184221
>implying that any scientist doubts that human fetuses are humans and a lifeform

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[Anonymous No.1186546]

>>1186540
you fuckwit, scientists don't call fetuses "little humans" for a reason. They're like fucking plant cells, hey why don't you tell me the next time someone has a funeral for their miscarriage?

[Anonymous No.1186548]

>>1184465
this

[Anonymous No.1186550]

>>1186546
u angry

[Anonymous No.1186552]

>>1184256
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[Anonymous No.1186578]

>>1186073
>butthurting about pro-lifers and a morally questionabe practice being obstacle to human progress
>creationists still exists
set some priorities ppl

[Anonymous No.1186597]

>>1184256
there is a difference between sentience and intelligence

[Anonymous No.1186631]

>>1186578
They are usually one in the same, in the US.

[Ky !KyPJax0h/Y No.1186662]

My face when I can't understand have the shit you niggers are saying

[Anonymous No.1186670]

Hey guise! If you keep responding to these threads, they will reproduce!!! Don't you see what you're doing!!!!!