/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11835065]

Haha prehistoric methane feedback loop go WHOOSH

https://twitter.com/defis_eu/status/1275337831704035328?s=19

[Anonymous No.11835267]

>>11835065
https://mobile.twitter.com/CarbonBrief/status/1275465757669949440

[Anonymous No.11835275]

and STILL UK weather is shit
had a good few warm days this week though

[Anonymous No.11835349]

WHOOSH you say?

[Anonymous No.11835360]

>>11835275
it takes a while to make oceans comfy.
You prob get even more rain and storms depending on the gradient

[Anonymous No.11835808]

>45°C
So what's the big deal? Proteins just unfold and everything dies, problem solved.

[Anonymous No.11836486]

>>11835349
anyone else huff methane while they study?

[Anonymous No.11836570]

>>11835808
Sometimes I really HATE living in the 21st century

[Anonymous No.11836582]

>>11836570
That was sarcasm. Just in case.

[Anonymous No.11836616]

>>11836582
Yeah I know
Dude I just want a normal-ass life farming or some shit. My family is all renewable electric, barely drive or fly, buy a bunch of shit used, and for all our trouble we're going to have massive climate migrations and food issues IN THE BEST CASE SCENARIO or fill the air with aerosols and kill a bunch of people with respiratory issues

[Anonymous No.11836629]

>>11836616
Well, maybe changs will release some kind of super Ebola next and 99.999% of humanity will die. At least the survivors will have pleasant living conditions. Eventually.

[Anonymous No.11836631]

>>11835065
We're so fucked

[Anonymous No.11836643]

>>11836629
Imo aerosols are a preferable solution to that:<

[Anonymous No.11836653]

>>11836643
Nah, just release even more dioxide into the air. Soon enough it will start making us more and more retarded and we'll just die happy.

[Anonymous No.11837252]

>>11836653
Not how it works. Air pollution is increasing rates of dementia significantly in the worst areas and it's far from "dying happy".

Btw in the UK alone about 40,000 excess deaths a year are caused by urban air pollution aggravating asthma and COPD. I know we don't want a runaway population boom due to life expectancy but that's crazy shit.

[Anonymous No.11837294]

>>11836616
>renewable electric
They used oil to make and transport the materials.

[Anonymous No.11837903]

>>11835275
warmer climate means more rain for coastal areas

[Anonymous No.11839153]

>>11836631
there isn’t enough silver on earth to rely on solar panels, wind would require too much fucking steel, but this is irrelevant because we are already running out of diodes for batteries, in the meantime population and energy demand per capita keeps increasing, cultures are clashing and wars for resources and preservation of economic stability are imminent. All the while humanity has forgotten or never experienced modern warfare (cf WWI). Yes, we are fucked.

[Anonymous No.11839826]

>>11839153
How does nuclear potentially factor in ?

>All the while humanity has forgotten or never experienced modern warfare (cf WWI)

Do you mean this as in we don't have the know-how to do it again or are more likely to engage in this kind of war again due to us having collectively forgotten how terrible it was ?

[Anonymous No.11840237]

>>11839826
we forgot how fucking destructible modern weapons are. Officers in WW I were standing on top of hills in red pants and machine gun fire and calling for bayonet charges into trenches and forts. I’d guess a modern war would be decided just by civilian casualties and economic damage, but noone know for sure.

[Anonymous No.11840250]

>>11839826
nuclear: let’s pray for fusion I guess? Considering current political standards the contribution from fission won’t go up, besides, even fission is only a short term solution on human time scales.

[Anonymous No.11840344]

>>11840250
If it becomes soon apparent that there's no way not only to make green energy plentifful enough but even to keep building wind/solar, maybe the green will actually consider the fact and begin advocating for nuclear fission ? I mean if they're faced with full on fission on full on coal they couldn't push to drop the only renewable and decarbonated energy source without renouncing to any legitimacy right ?

>even fission is only a short term solution on human time scales
I thought that it was actually really widespread, or at least enough to give us the time to lower our energy needs on the medium term while relying on a reliable source of energy.

>>11840237
>I’d guess a modern war would be decided just by civilian casualties and economic damage
I'd guess this kind of wat would end up in annihilation of the losers population while the winner grabs the resources and arable land (or even habitable land in case of quick climate change).

>>11839153
I didn't mean fucked in the middle term considering sustainability issues but fucked like absolutely completely totally irremediably fucked right now, MacPherson-level fucked since it's actually what it objectively looks like. I mean we're even right on his timeframe, almost spot on by the year. Which is quite fun since it seems that his audience was actually less wide since several years.

I guess the fact that even people on /sci/ are unwilling to talk about this shows how much we're screwed. I mean it's like lurkers scrolling saw this thread and don't even see anything worrying about high arctic temperatures, maybe thay don't even know about the methane mechanism ? It's strange since it's begun to get a bit mainstream since a few year, definitely not widely known fact but people who browse the Internet should have stumbled upon it by now.

[Anonymous No.11840368]

>>11835065
nice nothingburger

[Anonymous No.11840391]

>>11840368
Are you kidding? Methane is like 100x more potent a greenhouse gas than CO2.
>It's just 9-20 years of massive warming guysss, total nothingburger, it'll only be gone by 2030, well half of it anyway

Humans could go extinct by 2030 at this rate.

[Anonymous No.11840453]

The Siberian heatwave this year is insane. Some spots have has almost constant, unrelenting >+10C temperature anomalies for months. Wildfires have started earlier than ever, the Yenisei river melted out earlier than ever, the Laptev sea fast ice has shattered earlier than ever, highest temperature ever in the arctic circle etc. What a year, and it's not even July yet.

[Anonymous No.11840459]

>>11840391
>Humans could go extinct by 2030 at this rate.
Are we talking literal extinction or just the end of modern civilization? It’s hard to believe that there won’t be a few surviving groups of people.

By the way, what about spraying chemicals into the atmosphere to decrease temperature? As far as I know there are serious proposals that are feasible, especially when humanity’s in a pinch.

[Anonymous No.11840485]

>>11839153
>there isn’t enough silver on earth to rely on solar panels
Silver is not a requirement for solar panels, it can be switched for other materials if it becomes in short supply.
>wind would require too much fucking steel
Steel is extremely plentiful.
>but this is irrelevant because we are already running out of diodes for batteries
Wtf is that supposed to mean? Diodes aren't a part of batteries, and silicon for diodes are also extremely plentiful either wat. And even if there are some material that would bottleneck future battery production that cannot be circumvented by innovations in battery tech (unlikely), we still have massive potential for energy storage in many parts of the world using pump hydro reservoirs.

[Anonymous No.11840499]

Global changes in temperature tend to be exaggerated at the poles. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_amplification

[Anonymous No.11840545]

>>11840459
Literal extinction is very possible. Our food supply will begin to receive massive burden in the future, there's only so much water available, and the amount of farmable land is drastically decreasing every year.

Aerosols might provide a temporary solution, but does that really help us? People will just see it as another opportunity to spurt more carbon in the air while the good times roll.

[Anonymous No.11840556]

>>11835065
Built for BBC

[Anonymous No.11840564]

We are all going extinct unless you pay more taxes and buy more eco goods like solar wireless iphone chargers.

[Anonymous No.11840569]

>>11840545
>People will just see it as another opportunity to spurt more carbon in the air while the good times roll.
Good point. I guess it wouldn’t get us out of this Malthusian trap on its own.

[Anonymous No.11840570]

>>11840499
It wouldn't be such a big deal if it weren't for the fact that the North pole is the thing cooling the rest of the northern hemisphere off. If all the ice melts, prepare to lose 4 seasons, Europe would likely go to having a dry season and a wet season.

[Anonymous No.11840572]

Permafrost is a pain in the ass for drilling oil pipelines. Is this temperature a fluke or a tendency that will hold? Asking for a friend who has 310k ready for investment.

[Anonymous No.11840597]

Everytime a temp record is broken i have to fucking learn new stuff about how weather works. Wasnt the weather always like that? the phenomena causing this were always there and im sure its not them to blame for the records

[Anonymous No.11840621]

>>11840572
You disgust me. But generally warmer temps means that the arctic is breaking up, making it's harder to sail in arctic waters. More icebergs in open seas usually means drilling has to be delayed for a while until it clears. Also permafrost melting usually results in instability around those areas, so any drilling activity would likely be wiped out by permafrost cave-ins.

[Anonymous No.11840626]

>>11840597

[Anonymous No.11840653]

>>11840626
exactly

[Anonymous No.11840662]

>>11840597
Boomer detected.

[Anonymous No.11840665]

>>11840626
BTFO

[Anonymous No.11840673]

>>11835065
Oh no, not the warm weather!

[Anonymous No.11840679]

>>11840545
>Our food supply will begin to receive massive burden in the future
Breadbaskets such as Poland or Belarus are increasing their food production thanks to global warming

[Anonymous No.11840682]

>>11840459
I don't think literal extinction is on the table but you can bet if millions (more likely billions) die in the next 50 years you'll probably be among them. More pandemics, extreme heat / cold-related illnesses, ridiculous numbers of air pollution deaths in western countries already that get ignored because they're diagnosed as COPD, lack of healthcare access, and that's without touching on increasing conflict and crime.

[Anonymous No.11840686]

>>11840679
Give it up, friend. These people are looking for any sign that civilization will collapse, giving them an out for their inability to succeed in current society.

Is global warming bad? Yeah. But people in this thread moping about human extinction are morons.

[Anonymous No.11840752]

>>11840679
Oh wow, remind me again why I'm supposed to care about small fry like Poland when the vast majority of our food comes from the US, China, Mexico, ect.?

>>11840686
>Is global warming bad? Yeah.
You seem to be desensitized as to how bad it really has become. I don't blame you.

[Anonymous No.11840768]

>>11840344

I think most people have just given up desu

[Anonymous No.11840779]

>>11840250
There is thousands of years of uranium and thorium.

[Anonymous No.11840791]

>>11840391
>Methane is like 100x more potent a greenhouse gas than CO2.
yeah but it’s significantly less common in the atmosphere then CO2

[Anonymous No.11840807]

>>11840791
Yeah because most of it has been frozen in the permafrost for millions of years until now. Methane has 28x the greenhouse effect CO2 has. If methane gets released in large quantities we're talking irrevocable worldwide biosphere change and temperatures that are deadly to a significant proportion of the population inside of a century.

[Anonymous No.11840809]

>>11840768
Nobody knows what to do about aquifer depletion and topsoil loss. the food supply simply won't last

[Anonymous No.11840822]

>>11840768
I think most people have yet to actually realize the scale of what's going on. Those who have followed the science and developments have most likely given up, but those are a real minority, I mean that those who are merely aware of global warming but are just informed from mass media are concerned but not on the actual scale of the phenomena, even some ecologists who attend protests and so on are probably not up to date on the level of the disaster.

[Anonymous No.11840841]

>>11840822
I remember fondly my soil science professor who told me he felt sorry for my generation. he had a farm in amish territory and was a total prepper

[Anonymous No.11840843]

>>11840822
Think of it this way: we'll have mole people both on Mars and on Earth eventually. Yeah, it sucks.

[Anonymous No.11840850]

>>11840843
We'll have a massive equatorial desert and a significantly reduced population. The world will have a major wet season and a dry season also

[Anonymous No.11840854]

>>11840809

Maybe this is why we are letting the virus go unchecked?

[Anonymous No.11840860]

>>11840822

If our Governments came out with the truth they wouldn’t be able to contain the panic and radicalization of political parties. It may be simply easier to lie until we can’t to keep people safe for as long as possible.

[Anonymous No.11840868]

>>11840850
Are you implying that this will stop the major industrial countries from burning fossils?

[Anonymous No.11840873]

>>11840868
no, there's no real alternative to them that provides the same energy return on investment

[Anonymous No.11840882]

>>11840873
And what does that tell us about annual surface habitability long-term?

[Anonymous No.11841014]

>>11840752
both Poland and Belarus are developed countries, their food production now can sustain 100-150 million people.
And there are other countries like Germany and France for example where global warming is positive.
Civilization will not perish.

[Anonymous No.11841033]

>>11840752
yawn, maybe don’t live in third world shithole?

[Anonymous No.11841049]

>>11841033
>.9%
>2.5%
>Mexico and America gaining production
>Australia gaining production
Is this a joke?

>>11841014
I suppose Europe will be more fertile when it gets its tropical monsoon season, but I highly doubt any slavic shithole will ever amount to anything, much less feed a significant proportion of the world.

[Anonymous No.11841129]

>IT'S TOTALLY HAPPENING FOR REAL THIS TIME GUIZ WERE ALL GONNA DIE

[Anonymous No.11841130]

>>11841014
Don’t forget innovations in agricultural techniques that will allow for more food production

[Anonymous No.11841134]

>>11840807
>If methane gets released in large quantities we're talking irrevocable worldwide biosphere change and temperatures that are deadly to a significant proportion of the population inside of a century.
only if it is in the atmosphere long enough to do anything, which it won’t be

[Anonymous No.11841193]

>>11840250
>even fission is only a short term solution on human time scales.
On civilization time scales perhaps, but certainly not on human time scales, even accounting for exponential growth.

[Anonymous No.11841213]

This is a gg now right?

[Anonymous No.11841221]

>>11841213

Yeah

[Anonymous No.11841234]

>>11835065
I think we should put up an array of sunshades over the arctic.

[Anonymous No.11841270]

>>11839153
>Yes, we are fucked.
Stop with the optimistic, best case scenario, bullshit. Take the cotton gloves off. Its way worse than that. We are fuckingly fucking fucked, mate.

The question now is not how fucked we are, but how fucked the surviving species will be. Anyone run a simulation on the projected evolutionary radiation of Tardigrades? What's the time frame before one branch of those little fuckers gain sentience? 200 million years? We should devise time capsules full of sage advice for them.

[Anonymous No.11841280]

>>11840391
Don't waste your time on morons. If its not in their backyard, it doesn't exist. The physical reality of vast geographical areas like Siberia or the Arctic is utterly incomprehensible to them.

[Anonymous No.11841322]

Absolutely fucking fucked. No point discussing it any further. Ignore the idiots. Let their generation and the next few who follow their ignorant bliss until they perish under wet bulb temperature conditions. This thread is now about how to devise time capsule which will last 200 million years and what how best to communicate our messages to the very distant descendants of Tardigrades, who have hopefully re-established civilization at some point in the far future.

Amber may provide a cheap and effective solution. Perhaps pictorial representations could be embedded in it. Lets think of the advice...

Cull the stupids.
Let only smart ones to breed.
But then limit population.
Don't squander resources.
Devote a significant proportion of your GNP to space exploration and colonization.

I think that would do it.

[Anonymous No.11841359]

>>11841129
That's not what people are saying apart from science illiterate libs. What people are saying is that eventually it will result in loss of life. One, society will have more chaos because there will be millions of migrants. Two, this will cause economic dynamics where economic power houses will possibly be strained. Many wildlife will die.

Or you can ignore the science. However, reality doesn't care about your beliefs.

[Anonymous No.11841366]

How about giant reinforced concrete blocks with a small space inside for storing the advice? Encased in durable plastic, then placed inside another huge concrete block, covered with more plastic, coated with amber and then smothered in concrete. Inside you could place an assortment of pictographs. Make hundreds of these and place them all around the world. Some are bound to survive and be found after 200 million years.

[Anonymous No.11841374]

Witting a gigantic series of pictographs on the moon would last 200 million years wouldn't they? Its expensive but doable with current technology.

[Anonymous No.11841377]

>>11841366
why do you think a species that literally exterminated itself should be giving advice to anybody
that seems like the last place you should be taking advice about how to run your civilization

[Anonymous No.11841427]

>>11841377
Tell them what we did wrong, how we go to that point, perhaps they can avoid the same mistakes. You needed that spelled out for you, you mental midget.

Definitely cull the stupids.

[Anonymous No.11841434]

>>11841427
>Definitely cull the stupids.
what's the pictogram for "stupid"?

[Anonymous No.11841457]

>>11841374
A thousand years from now privative humans in the ruins of civilization looking up in the sky would wonder what those funny markings on the giant sky night ball mean.

[Anonymous No.11841822]

>>11841359
Honestly, it now sounds like an argument to moderation fallacy now. Even if you want to be analytical and level headed it sounds like these >>11841322
>>11841270
>>11840841
are right.

[Anonymous No.11842462]

Just bottle it

[Anonymous No.11842607]

>>11841134
>this is methane emissions' effect
>only if methane behaves exactly as it does behave!

[Anonymous No.11842655]

To all the alarmists in this thread, how do you picture this going? In what order will things go awry?

[Anonymous No.11842659]

>>11842655

[Anonymous No.11842762]

>>11840545
Humans are cockroaches, they will survive easily.

[Anonymous No.11842765]

>>11841033
>Climate change was white supremacist all along

[Anonymous No.11843504]

>>11842655
>alarmists

I prefer the term realist
There are only two sides to tgis argument : the realists and the derniers that are still coping with the existential dread from this knowledge. But they'll come around.

[Anonymous No.11843591]

>>11836631
Due to what?

Turns out nothing happens, because the doomsday prophecies are made by people interested in making nice headlines and a career in academia, not people interested in representing the world.

Everything falls under weather variations, nothing happens, media keeps predicting the end of the world once a month. Business as usual.

[Anonymous No.11843603]

>>11843504
>Deniers
yeah, the guys denying reality who claimed UK would cease to exist in the 1990s and that billions would die due to famine in the 80s and so and so on...

Read a fantasy novel to get your fix of the apocalypse, don't LARP it onto reality.

[Anonymous No.11843615]

>>11843603
I'm sure you can find scientific sources for those claims. Surely you didn't just pull them out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.11843617]

>>11842659
I’m not seeing any big problems for rich Western nations apart from flooding. We can keep happily burning coal and oil, keep the refugees out and tell the rest of the world to go fuck themselves. So why should we care?

[Anonymous No.11843676]

>>11842655
>by the 2070's agricultural failures will be the norm globally due to shift in weather patterns and temperature, although near future GMO's could potentially offset this loss of crop productivity
>topsoil loss will massively reduce usable farmland in most places
>some place like russia will have areas in which crop productivity is increased due to rising temperatures and rainfall
>siberia won't become arable land but rather a stretch of post-permafrost swamps
>aquifer depletion will make agriculture impossible in places like california's central valley, much of the world will face severe water shortages
>refugees annually will number in the tens of millions

>easily accessible crude becomes scarce sometime around the 2050's, EROI plummets as a result
>global economy contracts as the shift to "green" energy is no longer negotiable
>first world nations can not maintain their lifestyles without the global supply chains and easy petroleum
>warfare and terrorism become more common

>22nd century equatorial regions annually reach temperatures directly harmful to humans, mass migration events are inevitable
>wildfires become constant year round threat in most low latitudes
>extreme weather events are far more common, flooding occurs in coastal areas year round, displacing millions

Something along these lines

[Anonymous No.11843746]

>>11843591
see
>>11843504

[Anonymous No.11843757]

>>11843676
that's not alarmist, that's an edulcorated version of what will really happen.

destruction of habitats and biomes will cause total ecological collapse leading to the earth becoming unsuitable to humanity.

[Anonymous No.11843758]

It's too late now anyway to stop it, if we ever could stop it.
Because this world is doomed to die even if humans never came into existence.

[Anonymous No.11843822]

>>11843757
what i described would mean the end of modern civilization, not really extinction

[Anonymous No.11843831]

>>11841049
>but I highly doubt any slavic shithole will ever amount to anything, much less feed a significant proportion of the world.
a single slavic country contributed more to human civilization than whole Subsaharan Africa. Fact.
Also LMAO at seething Jamal who realised he won't be getting Polish apples

[Anonymous No.11843925]

>>11840679
>>11841014
Wtf why are you spreading misinformation.
I fucking live in one these countries and our food supply is much smaller.
Half of Poland literally has problems with drought.
Our food literally costs a few times as much as it was few years ago.

[Anonymous No.11843967]

>>11842762
Humans? Sure. Civilization? That's a bit more unlikely.

[Anonymous No.11843980]

>>11843967
civilization will simply contract. only the rich will survive

[Anonymous No.11844041]

>>11840368
>completely unaware of GWP or CO2e

[Anonymous No.11844070]

>>11835065
Are we fucked as a middle class first world citizens?

[Anonymous No.11844079]

>>11844070
Not really. Things will be tough but not apocalyptic for us

[Anonymous No.11844148]

>>11840391
That soon? Fuck I hoped we'd at least make it through to 2050-ish. I had also flirted with the idea of starting a sustainable eco community, but it looks like there will be nothing for my generations children

[Anonymous No.11844152]

>>11843980
>only the rich will survive
How? In the short term, anyone they hire for security is much more likely to turn on them and take the wealth for themselves. In the long run, most modern wealth depends on being in the context of a modern industrial society.

[Anonymous No.11844156]

>>11841033
>he thinks people will stay there and die and not mass migrate in their billions to countries they think can save them (hint :yours)

[Anonymous No.11844159]

>>11844152
>automation reduces need for lower classes
>wealthy are the only ones able to escape the chaos in hard hit parts of the world
>resources can only support a small human population in the long run, it's obvious who survives

[Anonymous No.11844168]

>>11843676
Some say the collapse will begin in full force by 2030, others push it back, which is more likely? I need to know if my retirement plan should be a homestead or a bullet

[Anonymous No.11844176]

>>11844168
nobody knows the answer to that. probably towards the end of the century rather than soon

[Anonymous No.11844220]

>>11843617
Well that seems to be working so far doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.11844256]

>>11844070
Yes. The middle class are essentially peasants who raised their standard of living from the exploitation of 3rd world people and the energy stored in fossil fuels. The middle class added a tier between peasants and rulers which would never have existed otherwise. Economically its highly inefficient.

You can see the demise the middle class over the past 5 decades as the true cost of energy use rises and the 3rd world nations move towards economic independence. This applies to the western middle class. On the other hand the emerging Asian middle class, specifically China, is attempting to sustain its existence through the exploitation of Africa.

Not quite as simple as that. But I am sure you dont want to read a text about it. The general principles hold true.

[Anonymous No.11844278]

>>11844156
refugees aren’t magical beings, they can’t dodge bullets

[Anonymous No.11844283]

>>11844156
>implying any refugee thinks Eastern Europe will welcome or save them
kek

[Anonymous No.11844293]

>>11844278
>>11844283
They could rush you easily if they all came at once. 1.2 billion Africans alone, never mind the middle east, India etc. etc.

[Anonymous No.11844305]

>>11841234
would this work? what if we use a shitton of mylar to deflect solar radiation?
also, shouldn't we be using shitloads of solar PV panels already?

>>11841322
>Let only smart ones to breed.
lol, "smart people" are only worried about making more and more money. do you even capitalism?

[Anonymous No.11844324]

>>11844278
modern humans have never seen a migration event on that scale. you have no clue what you're talking about

for more reading into the disastrous effects of mass migrations:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

[Anonymous No.11844337]

>>11844041
who cares about short term GWP when methane can’t be in the atmosphere long enough to trigger feedback loops

[Anonymous No.11844405]

>>11844337
>who cares about short term GWP when methane can’t be in the atmosphere long enough to trigger feedback loops
All warming triggers feedback loops. Feedback loops are blind to the source of warming. Nice LARP, retard.

[Anonymous No.11844419]

>>11844293
Just nuke ‘em. Why not? It’s not like they’ll nuke us back.

[Anonymous No.11844443]

>>11844152
Through fascism. Ruling class will close ranks, and use inevitable refugee crisis to convince plebs to submit to fascism while the world slouches back into barbarism. Uironically like the movie Children of Men.

[Anonymous No.11844453]

>>11844443
sad but true

[Anonymous No.11844458]

>>11835065
This is a return to normal temperatures though.
We're still in an ice age and people forget that the poles aren't meant to be iced wastelands like they are today.

I welcome this new warm period. Though the Netherlands really aren't going to have too much fun here.
That said, expect a glacial outburst from antartica and greenland soon.

[Anonymous No.11844471]

Our sun is being extremely weird this decade. I think we need to pay it more attention than we currently do, especially in schools. It's 100% causing all temperature anomalies in the last few decades, which surprises me as a person who believed it was merely human caused. Turns out it was the sun the whole time and it does it regularly.

[Anonymous No.11844478]

>>11844443
Politics is the weather's bitch though. No political system will prevent climate catastrophes. Only God can stop this and frankly he's letting it happen.
I am ok with this.

[Anonymous No.11844480]

>>11844471
>It's 100% causing all temperature anomalies in the last few decades
Source? How do you know?

[Anonymous No.11844483]

>>11844458
>>11844471
this is false. you've been watching too many pseud youtube vids

[Anonymous No.11844487]

>>11844293
Increased sea and air temps could increase african rainfall potentially. We could be rushing Africa, not the other way around, if it gets wet.

[Anonymous No.11844499]

>>11844480
It literally fluctuates daily.
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/real-time-solar-wind

And over the past 5 years it's been extremely chaotic with it's winds.

[Anonymous No.11844508]

>>11844499
the delusion of some people

[Anonymous No.11844517]

>>11844508
Your solar system is an enclosed environment. It has a climate and it tends to correlate with the Earth's because the Earth is within that climatic enclosure.

[Anonymous No.11844532]

The biggest concern for me is the changing consistency of the ocean. That changes our oceans currents and frankly our air temperature tends to be driven by them the most. Those currents are driven largely by the sun, but the consistency of the ocean modifies the ocean's convection and therefore it's currents and ability to drive air temperatures.

[Anonymous No.11844541]

Oh and oil corps really don't want you to realise they're fucking your oceans up to a point where it's fucking the climate up.

[Anonymous No.11844548]

>>11844517
>our solar system is an enclosed environment. It has a climate and it tends to correlate with the Earth's
none of this is true

[Anonymous No.11844561]

>>11844548
he's trolling don't respond

>>11844532
ocean acidification is probably the biggest single ecological problem

[Anonymous No.11844580]

>>11844548
>>11844561
I'm not trolling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliosphere

In fact the heliosphere is impacted by the climate of the galaxy.

[Anonymous No.11844647]

>>11836616
What's renewable about "renewables" exactly? I mean sure, the energy is renewed, but the materials used to make solar panels and wind turbines sure as hell aren't.

[Anonymous No.11844678]

>>11844647
It isn't renewable. Renewable is a marketable description for the products.
They are arguably as bad for the environment as "non renewable" sources due to the way they are manufactured.


We're just fucked to be honest. We're fucking the planet and unless we get off it there's nothing we can do about it.
People that think space travel is a waste of money need to wake the fuck up and see that it's humanity's desperate attempt to survive this environment death trap we're in.

[Anonymous No.11844720]

>>11841033
>differences of less than 3% warrant scary red colors

[Anonymous No.11844878]

>>11844405
>muh feedback loops
>ignoring negative feedback loops
okay tard

[Anonymous No.11845214]

>>11844647
Well there are a lot of legit concerns about renewables because PVs do require a lot of precious metals share are costly to mine but my mom is the closest thing to a professional climate activist (published a book and did her thesis on limiting carbon impacts of dwellings across lifecycle from BOM to ongoing costs) and she thinks it's a good idea to I trust her. More specifically we buy from sonoma clean power which generates a lot from the geysers which don't have as high initial carbon costs as PVs afaik.

[Anonymous No.11845378]

>>11844878
>>muh feedback loops
You're the one who brought them up.

>>ignoring negative feedback loops
Where did I ignore them?

And you failed to explain how methane doesn't trigger feedback loops. Nice LARP, retard.

[Anonymous No.11845383]

>>11844499
This doesn't explain why you think it's caused 100% of temperature anomalies. Plenty of things fluctuate, including greenhouse gas emissions.

[Anonymous No.11845910]

>>11845378
when the methane starts to decay temperatures would fall igniting a negative feedback loop

[Anonymous No.11845915]

>>11845910
It decays to CO2 and water, both are greenhouse gasses too

[Anonymous No.11845931]

>>11845915
CO2 and water are much weaker greenhouse gases then methane. CO2 is only a problem because a large quantity of it is being released, the amount of methane being released is orders of magnitude less than CO2.

[Anonymous No.11845938]

>>11845910
>when the methane starts to decay temperatures would fall
Incorrect and irrelevant, there is still warming from positive feedback loops "in the pipeline" and methane concentration is still increasing. You again failed to explain how methane doesn't trigger feedback loops.

Methane certainly contributes to global warming, about 1/5 of the warming. Even though it's a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2, it's much less prevalent in the atmosphere. Its residence time doesn't somehow change the numbers. Now fuck off, retard.

[Anonymous No.11846292]

>>11843676
>>siberia won't become arable land but rather a stretch of post-permafrost swamps
Tbqh I think all those wonderful ancient bacteria and viruses which were chilling in permafrost until now will become pertinent sooner. Think of all the science opportunities!

[Anonymous No.11846323]

>>11844293
USA wold be fairly safe. It's not that easy for millions, let alone billions, of people to quickly traverse such distances (diseases, food, shelter from the elements etc.), and then you remember the oceans on both sides.
Europe will be completely fucked eventually, though. Unless they do the nukes thing, of course.

[Anonymous No.11846754]

>>11846323
The United States lacks the will to defend its borders. By the time it realized there might be an existential threat, it would already be too invaded to be able to mount a defense.

[Anonymous No.11847524]

>>11844305
I think it could work. If you deployed tons of mylar sunshades with reaction controls (so they could change orientation and use the light sail effect to boost their own orbit) you could keep the arctic colder. This would hopefully prevent the methane from getting out and also increase polar ice. I think even large high altitude balloons would help, there just needs to be a budget for this kind of macroengineering. It will be cheaper than the alternative in the end.

[Anonymous No.11847897]

>>11835065
not true, ICPP, the experts, don't include feedback loops so they aren't an issue

[Anonymous No.11847930]

>>11847897
>ICPP, the experts, don't include feedback loops
Source?

[Anonymous No.11849619]

>>11840250
With breeder reactors we can make economically competitive energy supplies for hundreds of thousands of years using only known and already-extracted-but-used uranium and thorium.
With improvements in fuel systems (transitioning away from solid fuel towards liquid fuels, ie molten salt) we can generate super-cheap energy for millions of years.
Nuclear is the solution, it's politicians and populaces who hate muh spooky atom that are the problem.

[Anonymous No.11849629]

>>11842659
what is this, brainwashing for ants?

[Anonymous No.11849683]

>what causes temperature differences

>changes in the trillions of tonnes a second fusion reactor smashing our planet 24/7

OR

>a few more ppm in the skim coat of gas around our planet

[Anonymous No.11849709]

>>11847930
his ass

ICPP definitely discuss feedback loops in great detail

[Anonymous No.11849716]

>>11849619
>millions of years
source?

[Anonymous No.11849748]

>>11849709
Insane Clown Posse Party? What about the IPCC?

[Anonymous No.11849750]

>>11849748
Fuckin magnets, how do they work?

[Anonymous No.11849751]

>>11841033
>we ran some numbers and concluded that...
>nigger countries can't into agriculture and economy

You don't say.

[Anonymous No.11849752]

>>11849683
The latter.

>hurr big thing do thing durr

[Anonymous No.11849755]

>>11849619
>it's politicians and populaces who hate muh spooky atom that are the problem.
yeah, the problem is that everyone except you is all wrong about everything.

[Anonymous No.11849762]

>>11840485
>silver is not required, just switch materials
t. has no idea how solar panels work

>steel is plentiful
do you have any idea how energy intensive it is to make steel? Besides, you need coal for steel, lots of coal.

>diodes aren’t part of batteries
I mean electrodes. they are integral for a battery to work.
I am specifically talking about electrolyte and possible advancements that will most likely use even more sparse compounds to satisfy the required energy densities.
Available cobalt, which is used in lithium batteries is already running low.