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[Anonymous No.11821912]

space operations center edition

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[Anonymous No.11821919]

>>11821912
another view

[Anonymous No.11821925]

my dumb ugly ancestor :)

[Anonymous No.11821942]

>>11821919
what the fuck is that cringey thing on the table

[Anonymous No.11821944]

>>11821942
onahole
mission control gets stressful sometimes

[Anonymous No.11821971]

>>11821919
Is that KSP on the mission monitor?

[Anonymous No.11821974]

>>11821942
unicorn plush? maybe he's a furry. they're sick people.

[Anonymous No.11821975]

>>11821942
Hopefully his daughter’s toy or something

[Anonymous No.11821999]

>>11821971
Fact: Every KSP launch every user has ever made results in an actual launch of test pilots, in an Ender's Game type bid by NASA to accelerate development of manned spaceflight

[Anonymous No.11822007]

>>11821974
furries are fucking everywhere, try being a software developer

[Anonymous No.11822020]

>back into digging through modlist instead of actually playing ksp
its over for me bros

[Anonymous No.11822043]

>>11821919
what are all these fucks actually doing on their computers
how many of them are just playing minesweeper

[Anonymous No.11822056]

ISRU is very simplified in KSP. How exactly would you go about producing propellant

[Anonymous No.11822061]

>>11822043
It's AGI. They are monitoring space traffic and debris and selling the info and services to the military and other groups which have assets in space. Usually they are looking out for possible future conjunction events, aka objects colliding in space.

[Anonymous No.11822093]

Just reminder: SpaceX has won an emmy award.

[Anonymous No.11822096]

>>11822056
In real life?

Load water-bearing material (anything from crushed hydrated minerals to chunks of water ice) into a vacuum oven.
Use vacuum oven to recover water and temporarily store.
Split water in electrolyser to make hydrogen and oxygen; liquefy and store oxygen, temporarily store hydrogen.
Collect liquid CO2 from the atmosphere using a compressor, temporarily store.
Flow hydrogen and CO2 into a heated nickel catalyst reaction chamber, causing the hydrogen to reduce the CO2 to methane and water.
Compress and cool resulting gas mixture to separate the water (sent back to water storage) and methane (liquefied and stored) from the unreacted CO2 and hydrogen, which flows back around through the reaction chamber again.

Lion's share of energy draw comes from water electrolysis; reduction of CO2 using hydrogen is actually exothermic, so other than the initial heating of the catalyst that chemistry runs itself. The next biggest power draw comes from the various pumps and compressors necessary to do fluid handling. Again, a small amount of power compared to electrolysis.

The only required input resources are water and CO2, both readily available across the surface of Mars. Don't bother drilling for water, just dig trenches and quarries for permafrost and buried glacier ice. CO2 is obviously everywhere, in the atmosphere. Just need some filters to catch and remove airborne dust particles so they don't gunk up machinery.

[Anonymous No.11822098]

>>11822093

[Anonymous No.11822106]

>>11822056
Well what KSP oversimplifies is that there are multiple types of propellant, and you can’t just mine all of them out the ground with a big drill.

If KSP asked me to redesign ISRU, I’d add Liquid Methane and Liquid Hydrogen to the stock game. I would also give the ISRU an option to convert liquid Hydrogen to Liquid Methane. Lastly I’d make it so that the ISRU can, when given intake air on certain planets (Duna/Eve), the ISRU would fix the Liquid Hydrogen into Liquid methane.

Bam, mostly-realistic ISRU. Doesn’t even require super fancy parts. The tanks for Liquid Hydrogen and Liquid Methane can just be current parts, but you are now given options on what you want inside the tank. New engines would have to be added that work with Liquid Methane, but that wouldn’t actually be pretty hard to do. I mean plenty of mods have dozens of engines that use “alternate” fuels. And the ISRU can still be the same part too, it just has extra options on it. And the air intakes can just be set so that if they 1) Have Air and 2) Are on either Duna or Laythe, then they make propellant.

[Anonymous No.11822113]

>>11822096
I wonder how productive it would be to use some of the waste heat from methane production to supplement the hydrolysis

[Anonymous No.11822121]

>>11821942
>>11821974
It's even hiding behind the phone in shame.

[Anonymous No.11822165]

>>11822113
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-temperature_electrolysis

[Anonymous No.11822222]

Does anyone have that an-cap “no take sky” meme?

[Anonymous No.11822240]

frick russia
frick china
frick old space
but most importantly, frick SLS

[Anonymous No.11822242]

says who?

[Anonymous No.11822264]

>>11822240
hu toast!

[Anonymous No.11822272]

>>11822242
Drop a rock on KSC and see if they still give you a hard time about it.

[Anonymous No.11822316]

>>11822264
HULLO

[Anonymous No.11822333]

>>11822222
Holy quints demands it

[Anonymous No.11822340]

>>11821919
now those can't be spy satellites can they? Cause those look like telescopes.

[Anonymous No.11822392]

>>11821942
His GF

[Anonymous No.11822397]

>>11822242
>You must be a member of the Red China faction to release radioactive exhaust into your homeworld atmosphere.
That's better.

[Anonymous No.11822399]

>>11822264
>>11822316
Stop posting this cuck

[Anonymous No.11822418]

>>11822399

[Anonymous No.11822438]

>>11822418
Everyday astronaut is only good for his camerawork, have to admit he is really good at that.
And scott manley is a passive agressive cuck.
They probably will scare off normies who want to take a intrest in the current spacerace.

[Anonymous No.11822458]

>>11822438
Find some gigachad with muscles the size of cinderblocks to talk about it

[Anonymous No.11822482]

>>11822438
>hating on the creator of the full flow estrolox engine

[Anonymous No.11822533]

>>11822418
I fucking hate this guy. he's the autistic orbiter that you put up with because your girlfriend sees him as a charity case

[Anonymous No.11822552]

Can this man get any more based and redpilled?

[Anonymous No.11822557]

>>11822552
there's no filter. we're the only ones

[Anonymous No.11822563]

>>11822557
Societal degeneracy is the great filter

[Anonymous No.11822569]

>>11822557
>we're the only ones
That means there is a filter preventing life from arising elsewhere...

[Anonymous No.11822570]

>>11822557
There’s no evidence we’re the only ones.

[Anonymous No.11822575]

>>11822106
Nice lineup, but we need to think bigger.

[Anonymous No.11822604]

>>11822563
The jews are our great filter.

[Anonymous No.11822606]

hydrolox sea dragon when?
you can refuel it straight from the ocean now

[Anonymous No.11822607]

>>11822482

[Anonymous No.11822609]

>>11822570
no evidence that suggests we aren't

[Anonymous No.11822618]

when does elon get up in the morning
how much sleep does he get
what does he eat for breakfast?

[Anonymous No.11822623]

>>11822609
every bit of evidence that suggests that habitable conditions are not unique to Earth is evidence that supports the idea that we're not alone.

[Anonymous No.11822630]

>>11822623
statistically unlikely for a habitable planet to arise again within our observable universe. you're the one who believes in aliens with no evidence

[Anonymous No.11822632]

>>11822630
lmao

[Anonymous No.11822635]

>>11822630
based on statistics that don't exist that contradict the statistics that do exist that say otherwise?
alright

[Anonymous No.11822637]

>>11822630
I don't think you have the necessary data to make that statement.

[Anonymous No.11822639]

>>11822623
Yeah I’m inclined to believe life is just an evolution of chemistry. I believe with the right conditions, and the right chemistry, chemical evolution will lead to proto-life... something like self replicating RNA, which in turn can become more and more complex with each generation until you basically get life as we know it. It’s definitely not restricted to Earth. What’s puzzling though is that we don’t see spaceships zipping around the universe when we try to look. Either life is very rare i.e. a few civilizations per galaxy, or there just isn’t really a real way to make warp drives and stuff because physics will cuck us and we’re doomed to stay in our stellar neighborhood.
That or there really is some great filter but that’s just a meme really

[Anonymous No.11822652]

>>11822639
there's nothing prohibiting interstellar or even intergalactic travel. on a timescale of tens of billions of years a single advanced civilization would be everywhere by now. the impossibility of FTL does not account for the apparent lack of advanced civilizations

[Anonymous No.11822654]

>>11822639
>intelligent life is as common as weeds across the cosmos but C is unbreakable and nobody will ever know about anyone else
How tragic it would be

[Anonymous No.11822660]

>>11822652
Yeah yeah I know but you’d be restricted to generation ships. Even then you could really only colonize the nearest hundred stars or so, and you’d have shitty colonies everywhere that would be pretty much impossible to detect with a telescope unless they were emitting some large energies. The distance between stars are HUGE, almost unfairly so

[Anonymous No.11822674]

>>11822654
>What if C is breakable but it leads to horror stories like described in "Pioneers over C"?
Now that's tragedy.

[Anonymous No.11822681]

>>11822660
>Even then you could really only colonize the nearest hundred stars or so
travel times are pretty irrelevant as long as you can make it to the nearest stars and colonize them, if those colonies sound out another colony ship within a few hundred or thousand years the whole galaxy is gonna be colonized very quickly on astronomical timescales

[Anonymous No.11822687]

>>11822652
they would have had the same timescale to get to this point. the age of the universe is the same for everything within it. they wouldn't have had tens of billions of years to evolve into complex organisms, not get wiped out by something, perfect spaceflight, and spread.

[Anonymous No.11822692]

>disable my unused network adapters
>KSP now loads in literally half the fucking time
>literally every time it goes to load a resource it's first checking all the network adapters before local files
holy shit I take back every positive thing I have ever said about unity jesus fucking christ

[Anonymous No.11822694]

>>11822660
Generation ships assume that intelligence is limited to biological life. which may end up being true but either way travel times don't matter than much because we're talking about a universe that has had billions of years to be colonized

[Anonymous No.11822699]

>>11822687
even if they were centuries or millennia more advanced than us, it doesn't follow that a. our planet is anything special that they'd want to visit or even know about it, b. that even if it was their ships or even their first electromagnetic signals would have spread out to here by now.

[Anonymous No.11822702]

>>11822604
Unnecessarily based. Elon is a lad among lads

[Anonymous No.11822706]

>>11822681
>>11822694
At the end of the day I’m pretty sure we will discover a way to travel FTL. And I’m sure other civilizations have and will. Are we just doomed by the immense size of the cosmos at that point? I mean even finding just one other species would be cool. Hope they’re friendly and we don’t have a reason to go to war like savages.

[Anonymous No.11822711]

>>11822639
>It’s definitely not restricted to Earth. What’s puzzling though is that we don’t see spaceships zipping around the universe when we try to look
That's not puzzling at all, probable that the laws of physics limit the ability for aliens to travel across the universe and that advanced civilizations are not resource limited so there is no good reason for them to venture much beyond their home planet. You may think tourism would be a reason but the idea that aliens would travel for tourism purposes is silly, it would be far more easier to simulate whatever they wanted to see like we'll probably do as VR technology progresses.

[Anonymous No.11822712]

>>11822694
the universe is 14 billion years old, for most of that it was gas. why assume anything has had billions of years to do anything let alone try to colonise the universe.

[Anonymous No.11822714]

>>11822699
Our galaxy is only 100,000 lightyears across. what are the chances life only arose in the past 100k years and not the billions before that?

[Anonymous No.11822721]

>>11822714
life could have arose millions of years before that. but it wouldn't have gone from single cell nothings to broadcasting germans any more quickly than we did.

[Anonymous No.11822723]

>>11822712
I’m pretty sure galaxies formed pretty quickly like in the first billion years. Galaxies aren’t a new thing, all things considered. Life has had billions of years to try and get itself off world and spread

[Anonymous No.11822724]

>>11822721
there were many, many Earth-like planets around for billions of years before Earth existed

[Anonymous No.11822732]

>>11822723
~4.5 billion years ago for the solar system to reach this form. then a lot of time with it being a lava ball. then for conditions for life to form. and then for that life to reach a point where it argue on the internet about how we aren't seeing ayys.

[Anonymous No.11822734]

>>11822724
were there? around suns like ours?

[Anonymous No.11822741]

>>11822732
with that argument maybe life only recently arose at all

[Anonymous No.11822745]

>>11822732
I mean yeah, but surely a ton of planets around the universe developed life in the very beginning. Let’s say their solar systems formed at year +1 billion years, then took +6 billion to cool down and actually evolve intelligent life... that’s still 6 or 7 billion years for these things to be spreading and colonizing

[Anonymous No.11822750]

>>11822741
that's what i'm getting at. we aren't seeing them because theyre at roughly the same place we are.
i'm totally happy to be corrected, its just my brain fart.

[Anonymous No.11822753]

Idea for a long range probe ship to scout and loiter around the gas giants and their moons
If the ideas pan out, it might be good for interstellar missions
Feel free to tear into it or add on
Scouting out Titan or Triton imo is a good use of a mission

[Anonymous No.11822759]

>>11822753
>no leg farm section

[Anonymous No.11822761]

>>11822745
how many galaxies did this and how far away are they? we view at the edge of our observable universe galaxies as they're still forming so the light is only just reaching us, there's no chance of a signal or anything even if it was possible to receive one, and then it would be too weak.

[Anonymous No.11822769]

>>11822753
Where do the people go

[Anonymous No.11822771]

>>11822750
No no, what your suggesting has been brought up by scientists before. We very well could be an early civilization. I'm the same anon that replied with >>11822745 but I want to add something. Early civilizations would be hard because the first generation stars were huge hydrogen fireballs. The only elements in the universe were hydrogen and helium, with a little bit of lithium. It would take a long time for stars to form, forge heavier elements, and go supernova to spread them around. You would want to form after tons of supernova have spread lots of periodic elements around so that you could get a planet with stuff like iron, uranium, titanium... everything like that. We might be an early civilization?

[Anonymous No.11822780]

>>11822771
Sol is only a second-gen star, right? We might be early to the party.

[Anonymous No.11822781]

>>11822771
>We might be an early civilization?
and if that were true and there maybe was only us in our galaxy (lets forget intergalactic levels for a sec) then working on the idea we'll natural spread out to colonise it over say the next million years, we'd effectively wipe out any chance of intelligent life forming as we'd be there treating whatever it is like animals in a zoo.

[Anonymous No.11822790]

>>11822781
Deus vult my friend

[Anonymous No.11822795]

>>11822790
humans are the boomers of the milky way

[Anonymous No.11822798]

>>11822630
>statistically unlikely for a habitable planet to arise again within our observable universe.
There are two near-misses on earthlike conditions right here in our solar system. They're our neighbors, Mars and Venus. Mars was just a little too small and too far away. Venus had almost everything right, except for a ridiculously dense atmosphere.
Given that exoplanet surveys suggest that stars are likely to have quite a few planets each on average, I would say you're statistically retarded.

[Anonymous No.11822834]

>>11822714
I don't think its unlikely at all. More like, they evolved 50 million years ago, already visited our solar system, and simply never came back. Or, they visited and seeded life from their planet here, but didn't bother living here themselves.
I think the biggest issue with the fermi paradox is that it assumes life would be constantly moving to every solar system. They might send probes out every 10 million years, and we simply haven't been around long enough to see their ships when they were here.

[Anonymous No.11822846]

>>11822834
>I think the biggest issue with the fermi paradox is that it assumes life would be constantly moving to every solar system
Wot? The fermi paradox is nothing more than the fact that intelligent life SHOULD be everywhere according to calculations, but we see 0 signs of life. Where’s this assumption that it should be constantly moving lmao

[Anonymous No.11822862]

>>11822846
tbf we can't even look at planets in our own galaxy we just use the shadow they cast as they move over their sun to gather data. we aren't really seeing anything. someone could look at us and probably gather nothing on whether there was life here or not.

[Anonymous No.11822873]

>>11822606
Never ever ever.
Even kerolox sea dragon wouldn't work because you'd have the oxygen tank immersed in water. Too much ice formation, too much boiloff.
Also, any Sea Dragon style rocket is DOA at this point because Starship will get better launch economics.

[Anonymous No.11822879]

>>11822846
Intelligent life is already here. What if they came already and uplifted native life rather than settling themselves. You assume that a population of alien entities would infefinitely expand itself, colonizing every available star system. Earth is in the outer rim, aka we are tattooin. Why would they come here more than a dozen times every billion years? Humans have roughly 6k years of recorded history. Most mythologies depict non human entities. I think they already came and left.

[Anonymous No.11822883]

>>11822879
again, no evidence. why do not alooners always resort to schizo tier theorizing

[Anonymous No.11822889]

>>11822834
Advanced civilizations may not need to send probes across the universe in order to study other lifeforms, but if they did, I doubt they would come with giant lights on them and all the other typical UFO bullshit. It wouldn't be that hard to make a probe that is undetectable to us.
>>11822781
I hate this 'colonizing the universe' argument that assumes that's just what aliens would do. Maybe they don't feel like colonizing the universe just like I don't feel the need to smear every surface of the planet with my own shit.

[Anonymous No.11822894]

>>11822889
it's that malthusian argument that pretty much defines our lives in the 21st century. we breed and grow, we run out of resources, we fuck off elsewhere. rinse and repeat.
we're currently at a bottleneck of where we can fuck off to, hence a lot of the tension currently.
can't imagine any other apex predators evolving anywhere else to be much different.

[Anonymous No.11822895]

>>11822889
>I hate this 'colonizing the universe' argument that assumes that's just what aliens would do.
Life's drive to expand is one of its core characteristics.

[Anonymous No.11822898]

>>11822889
>I hate this 'colonizing the universe' argument that assumes that's just what aliens would do
procreating and expanding into their environment is the one thing all living creatures do. "Maybe they don't feel like it" is dumb for many reasons, like assuming any civilization is homogeneous in thought across all individuals and time.

[Anonymous No.11822900]

>>11822895
It’s not so much about “expanding” as it is filling niches that lead to more energy. Yeah organisms typically seem like all they do is expand, that’s not always the case. Some organisms evolve to get smaller and smaller and occupy more and more specific environments

[Anonymous No.11822901]

>>11822552
Their is no filter, only a dark forest.

[Anonymous No.11822902]

>>11822894
Civilization digitizes and turns inward. there are plenty of resources in a single solar system

[Anonymous No.11822906]

>>11822902
Thank you. All the expoooonders talk about how “colonization of the galaxy is inevitable” but don’t consider this option. A civilization might very well upload themselves into the matrix

[Anonymous No.11822907]

>>11822902
why would a digital being not be interested in doing things in the outside universe? If I was a robot I would explore the shit out of the galaxy—it's not like digitizing magically reveals all the answers or relieves us of the curiosity of wanted to answer them.

[Anonymous No.11822910]

>>11822900
>>11822902
>10 billion people on a planet
>9.5 billion of them decide to just chill
>500 million (lets say the Mormons) decide to colonize other planets
>???????????
>after a while, basically all life in that area of the galaxy is descended from those guys
>pressed khaki shorts and dorky looking dress shirts rule the stars

There's a selection pressure for cultures that prefer to expand.

[Anonymous No.11822921]

>>11822894
>>11822895
Why would you assume that advanced life wouldn't have advanced beyond their basic urges? Humans have already quelled some of their irrational behavior like senseless murder and there's nothing more irrational than endless procreation just so you can cover the universe with your species. Humans already barely want to procreate, most first world nations have a less than replacement fertility rate and it's clear that we selectively procreate depending on things like resource availability. I also think it's unlikely that intelligent aliens would always be resource limited which means there would be no real force driving their expansion.
>>11822898
You have to presume that the aliens are similar to us because we are likely average as far as aliens go. There's also the fact that aliens haven't colonized the universe yet so they are either unable or unwilling which would apply to us as well.

[Anonymous No.11822923]

>>11822902
some of civilisation does. all it takes is a few to decide off they fuck and what they discover and colonise may end up turning in on itself as you say, but again there will always be a few.

[Anonymous No.11822925]

>>11822921
Selection pressure bruv.

[Anonymous No.11822928]

>time to go back to KSP 1.4.5 and reinstall all my mods because GPP + rescale = terrain collision completely fucked on other planets in 1.8.1
why do these fucks keep releasing updates that change fuckall to the game except making mod compatibility a pain in the ass

[Anonymous No.11822932]

>>11822921
>there's nothing more irrational than endless procreation just so you can cover the universe with your species
that's not why humans procreate, and the birth rate is to do with resources. advanced countries can't afford to have kids because both partners are required to work to pay for their basics.

[Anonymous No.11822934]

>>11822910
It's pretty logical to want to spread your seed over the horizon. Going to Mars is no different from building a raft to cross some ocean back in the day.

[Anonymous No.11822940]

>>11822934
True but I wish what lied over the horizon, i.e. Mars, at LEAST had 1g of gravity. I’m sure my offspring wouldn’t mind living in a huge colony with lots of pressurized domes, and wearing a cool EVA suit to go outside. But anything less than 1g will fuck them up, especially when they are young

[Anonymous No.11822942]

>>11822925
There's no real selective pressure when you get to that stage. Just think about our technological capabilities if progress continues at this pace, we could have the ability to simulate nearly anything we wanted to, including inhabiting every planet without needing to spend the resources to do it in base reality. Are you going to be the one spending millions of years traveling across the universe just so you can inhabit some barren planet?
>>11822932
That is not true, people with fewer resources have shown more of an urge to procreate. More intelligent people have fewer kids because they realize that isn't that good of a deal for them, it's not that they're unable to do it because of financial reasons. Most first world countries effectively have socialized childcare and your offspring will be taken care of regardless of your income.

[Anonymous No.11822944]

>>11822940
>But anything less than 1g will fuck them up
Reminder, no evidence for this FUD

[Anonymous No.11822946]

>>11822944
Surely raising a child on the Moon without some sort of rotating cylinder for gravity would lead to a fucked up child. Take your FUD argument and fuck off

[Anonymous No.11822948]

>>11822942
>99% of society decides to have fun in a post scarcity VR simulation
>1% of society is filled with irredeemable coomers
>a few hundred years later, most of the planet's population is descended from coomers
>coomers spread to other stars because they're starting to run out of space

Evolution didn't stop just because we made fancy machines.

[Anonymous No.11822950]

>>11822946
>Surely
strong argument
>>11822940
I have never seen a soul so trapped by gravity

[Anonymous No.11822953]

>>11822942
It doesn't matter if 99% of your population is content to sit in VR Hedon Machine utopia. The reason genes for pro-creation spread is because that's what they do, so it only takes a tiny number going at it like rabbits to fill up the galaxy. I suppose the best argument against would be that the VR utopians actively fight against the breeders.

[Anonymous No.11822959]

>>11822946
In Planetes, very few children are born on the moon for this reason and the hospital facilities there are meant for hospice patients. One kid in the series is shown to be nearly 6ft at like 12 years old, her body undergoing all kinds of undue stress from trying to keep up with her stretching frame. Plus, obviously, she'll never set foot on Earth. I should watch that again it's been a while.

[Anonymous No.11822965]

>>11822950
I wonder when we will see the first off world birth. I mean worst case scenario, a child is born on the Moon and ends up being healthy. When he/she returns to Earth it would suck though hahah. Everything would feel so fucking heavy, like wearing a chainmail suit

[Anonymous No.11822970]

>>11822946
There's no reason to think this.
The biological 'switches' that are sensitive to gravity are on-off, they don't follow a gradual scale. A simple example is how plants can tell which way gravity is pulling on them; tiny grains of starches in their cells literally just sink in gravity, and the plant grows in the direction opposite of the grans. It's that simple. It also works in any amount of gravity down to very small fractions of a G. This is why plants in micro-gravity grow all over the place, but with even 0.05 g the plant would grow normally.

[Anonymous No.11822979]

>>11822959
based Planetes poster

[Anonymous No.11822980]

>>11822942
>More intelligent people have fewer kids because they realize that isn't that good of a deal for them, it's not that they're unable to do it because of financial reasons.
It's more likely that they simply prefer to consoom once their local civilization has reached the service industry level.

[Anonymous No.11822992]

>>11822902
Wrong. Any intelligent civilization would still want to hoard as much energy as possible to prepare for heat death. It wouldn't matter if they're fully digitized or not, they would still expand outwards to concentrate as much usable energy as possible, probably by flinging shit into our galaxy's central black hole.

[Anonymous No.11822998]

Will martian colonists ever have the chance to hitch a ride back to Earth? Surely some of the kids born on Mars would want to take a starship back, even if it were just for like 4 years. They could make a pilgrimage to Earth and study at a university or something. Or is it just too expensive to bring them back

[Anonymous No.11823009]

>>11822998
>Or is it just too expensive to bring them back
the return trip is much, much cheaper

[Anonymous No.11823013]

>>11822948
We are talking about two different things, moving to another star because you're running out of space isn't the same thing as colonizing the entire universe. Life appears so rare that every alien species has billions of stars to themselves, more resources than any civilization could conceivably use unless they were devoted to expanding as fast as possible before the death of the universe.
>>11822953
>99%
That seems extremely low to me. Who would want to live in base reality when they have near infinite amounts of better simulated realities to choose from? The animistic urge will always be to retreat into VR. If anyone remains in base reality, it's not clear that they would keep expanding until they took over the universe, it could be that they don't have enough time before the death of the universe or that the greater society prevented them from doing it. I'm fairly sure that most people alive today are against humans taking over the whole universe, we're self limiting and we would stop others from attempting it.

[Anonymous No.11823026]

>>11823013
>moving to another star because you're running out of space isn't the same thing as colonizing the entire universe

It is if you give it enough time.

Remember, it only takes one subculture within the wider whole to break off and start the process of exponential growth.

[Anonymous No.11823038]

>>11823013
There are plenty of people who would gladly kill anyone psychotic enough to try tocondemn them to a fake reality. You have an incredibly negative view of mankind if you think 99%+ of us are that mentally sick.

[Anonymous No.11823060]

I hope humanity eventually makes first contact with another race willing to share information and trade data. I don’t want to be a pessimist but I feel like they don’t want to touch our retarded society as of right now though

[Anonymous No.11823106]

[Anonymous No.11823107]

>>11823026
Exponential growth wouldn't be enough unless you can colonize the universe faster than light speed. Colonizing the universe as fast as possible is not a biological imperative and if all advanced lifeforms still want to procreate it doesn't follow that they will eventually cover every planet.
>>11823038
There are plenty of people that will try to kill other people for infringing on their rights, it doesn't mean that your right don't still get infringed upon and that society doesn't power over you. You have to understand that this world would be like a living hell to people who had the ability to go into VR and also alter every chemical their brain produces. You may think there will be holdouts but that's like thinking people will choose to continuously torture themselves for no reason.
>fake reality
This doesn't matter, we may not even be in the base reality ourselves. Truth be told, this reality has never felt that real to me and I would have no issue with leaving it. The realities that we could simulate would feel more real than base reality.

[Anonymous No.11823113]

>>11823060
Any advanced alien species we come in contact with will have their own societal bullshit to deal with. Very different from ours, but any evolved species will have that baggage from their pre-history.

[Anonymous No.11823114]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJH9GobEFUk

[Anonymous No.11823123]

>>11823107
It isn't a biological imperative, but there is still a selection effect.

The handful of guys who think interstellar colonization is cool will create essentially infinite numbers of people and societies like them.

The majority of people, who see it as a waste of money, will stay on their planets, and be essentially invisible.

[Anonymous No.11823128]

>>11823114
godamn rovers are fuckin slow

[Anonymous No.11823134]

>>11823013
i don't want to live in a simulation.

[Anonymous No.11823135]

>>11822563
Your lizard brain is the great filter.

[Anonymous No.11823158]

>>11823128
rovers go so slow yet the wheels still get totally fucked up.

[Anonymous No.11823162]

>>11823158
NASA engineers will literally take 10 years to design something that will inevitably break

[Anonymous No.11823172]

>>11823162
When you're stuck with anemic launchers you have to make do with the small mass budget.

[Anonymous No.11823175]

>>11823172
I can't wait for a bunch of SpaceX like startups to pop up to do stuff like rovers and habitats now that launch costs are cheap enough for private companies to get into the industry, and BTFO oldspace in those fields too.

[Anonymous No.11823205]

>>11822630
>statistically unlikely for a habitable planet to arise again within our observable universe

Prove it. Maybe habitable planets are very common. This seems to be the case since Mars itself is known to be habitable.

[Anonymous No.11823212]

>>11822639
> What’s puzzling though is that we don’t see spaceships zipping around the universe when we try to look.

No reason to suspect this even in a Star Wars galaxy.

[Anonymous No.11823215]

>>11822660
>The distance between stars are HUGE, almost unfairly so

Not even true. A red dwarf passes through the solar system ever 50,000 years, and stars are extremely densely packed in many areas. We could lob something towards Proxima if we tried

[Anonymous No.11823221]

>>11823215
>stars are extremely densely packed in many areas
those areas are almost certainly completely hostile to life, though

[Anonymous No.11823224]

>>11823215
>A red dwarf passes through the solar system ever 50,000 years
Excuse me? No way that’s true

[Anonymous No.11823229]

>>11822712
>the universe is 14 billion years old, for most of that it was gas

No; elements necessary for life formed within the first four billion years.

[Anonymous No.11823237]

>>11823224
Just looked into it, it’s true. What the fuck?!

[Anonymous No.11823241]

>>11823060
The rate of technological progression appears so fast that aliens may not have any information they need from us just like we may not need to study rats ten thousand years from now because we could have already learned everything there is to know about them. Would you travel the universe to interfere with the life of a rat and make sure nothing bad happens to them? We humans love the idea that some force is looking out for us but there is good reason to believe the universe is indifferent. We ourselves are indifferent to everything besides other humans and sometimes we're even indifferent to our own suffering.
>>11823123
At what point do you just think it's more likely that aliens won't go on colonize the entire universe? There's no evidence to suggest that it's possible and even if aliens attempt to do it, it hasn't happened yet so there's some limiting factor that is stopping them. This factor could be other aliens or the time that it takes but it doesn't look like it's an issue we're going to have to deal or that humans will do it.
>>11823134
You could already be in a simulation and if you're not, your brain is partially simulating your reality already and you would have to alter it to find out what the true reality is. What does it matter if your reality isn't the base reality?

[Anonymous No.11823245]

>>11823237
its called a hitchback ride through the galaxy my jogga

[Anonymous No.11823247]

>>11822998
Elon has said several times that the return trip is free; they want the Starships back on Earth anyway, and it doesn't cost them any extra to have some people on board.
The idea is that more people will be willing to go for a sinode and see how they like living on Mars if they have an easy ride back if they decide they don't like it. Would you rather jump into a deep pool of unknown temperature water if there were no way to quickly get back out again, or would you prefer there be a ladder installed?

[Anonymous No.11823252]

>>11823224
>Excuse me? No way that’s true

I exaggerated a bit, or used overly vague language. They move through the Oort Cloud and send comets into the inner solar system relatively often; and relatively close to us.
https://arxiv.org/abs/1805.07581

[Anonymous No.11823259]

>>11823106
fixed

[Anonymous No.11823262]

What if we encounter aliens but they’re stuck with sending expensive shuttle-tier vehicles into LEO and they’re all just consooomers

[Anonymous No.11823263]

>>11823262
Help them!

[Anonymous No.11823267]

>>11823241
Entire galaxy is definitely doable if you have enough time.

The entire point of the Fermi paradox is that it only takes one.

[Anonymous No.11823268]

>>11823262
teach them how to make hydrolox first stages

[Anonymous No.11823272]

>>11823262
Send Senator Shelby home to his people.

[Anonymous No.11823274]

>>11823267
There is no Fermi paradox, since thriving alien civilizations wouldn’t be detectable to us.

[Anonymous No.11823278]

>>11823274
Depends.

If they were taking all of the biospheres with available oxygen and water, we wouldn't need to search for them because they'd already be here.

[Anonymous No.11823302]

>>11823262
Take all of their shit.

[Anonymous No.11823303]

>>11823278
Oxygen and water are some of the most common things in the universe. They could have sailed through five million years ago, stole a Plutino for a gorillion tons of water, and fucked off.

[Anonymous No.11823307]

>>11823158
A L U M I N U M
W H E E L S
>"what the fuck do you mean, 'fatigue limit'? I don't know what that means" - some egghead

[Anonymous No.11823331]

>>11823268
He already said expensive shuttle tier vehicles

[Anonymous No.11823333]

>>11823267
>The entire point of the Fermi paradox is that it only takes one.
That's just one interpretation, the original Fermi paradox just states that if aliens exist, they would have visited Earth and given us some sign of their existence which is ridiculous. The distances involved may be too large and there may be no reason for aliens to leave their system once they reach post scarcity. I believe that as technology progresses it becomes increasingly easy/more efficient to simulate something rather than create it in real life so all advanced civilizations start turning inwards into their simulations rather than expand outward the universe. Simulations are much more efficient in resources, they could be part of the natural evolution of life.

[Anonymous No.11823337]

>>11823262
Obviously we'd fuck around near their most advanced military radar systems to confuse them then leave

[Anonymous No.11823343]

>>11822096
Heating hydrated minerals would cost you a lot of energy no?

[Anonymous No.11823352]

>>11823158
They didn't expect the hard, wind-shaped rocks curiosity encountered because they never saw them elsewhere

[Anonymous No.11823385]

>>11823352
I can't wait until there are people up there actually exploring large sections of the planet
rovers are so shitty

[Anonymous No.11823387]

>>11823337
Don't forget to probe the anuses of hick farmers too

[Anonymous No.11823400]

>>11823385
>spend months simulating every possible path the rover can take
>spend months putting earth-analog rover through recreations of rover's current position
>finally assemble instructions you are confident in, send
>rover takes an hour to move forward by six inches
>repeat process
It's maddening.

[Anonymous No.11823423]

>>11823385
>>11823400
>A single Starship lands on Mars
>Dozens of rovers crawl out of it, all much more useful than the current group of rovers since they didn't have to be as absurdly light and resilient to damage.
Problem?

[Anonymous No.11823441]

>>11823423
That will make them better, but the fastest way will just be boots on the ground. Long range remote control is just an efficient way to do in depth reconnaissance, it's going to be a long time before robots can approach the robustness of basic human reasoning and a set of handtools.

[Anonymous No.11823446]

>>11823441
inefficient*
durr

[Anonymous No.11823453]

>>11823343
It would, yes, but it's still an option if nothing else is available.

[Anonymous No.11823500]

>>11823400
How is that even exciting to do? Sure, once the rover breaks it's game over, but it seems to be much more cost and research effective to keep probes cheap and just send more when they break. Was that one time units got mixed up scared everyone from doing missions that way?

[Anonymous No.11823528]

>>11823441
The Planetary Society proposed to remote control rovers from Phobos, doubt it will happen tho

[Anonymous No.11823538]

>>11823528
>flying all the way to Mars' moon to remote-control a fucking rover
I didn't realize the Planetary Society were retarded.

[Anonymous No.11823547]

>>11823333
>I believe that as technology progresses it becomes increasingly easy/more efficient to simulate something rather than create it in real life so all advanced civilizations start turning inwards into their simulations rather than expand outward the universe.
those things aren’t mutually exclusive

[Anonymous No.11823552]

>>11823538
Well it’s run by Bill Nye the M.s. in engineering guy, so what do you expect?

[Anonymous No.11823554]

>>11823552
Oh Christ I forgot about that retard, yeah that makes sense now.

[Anonymous No.11823563]

Will Mars have a semi-self-suficent colony with more then a million members by 2100?

[Anonymous No.11823565]

>>11823352
>gorillion dollar rover
>can't go over pointy rocks

They should be gassed and so should you for defending this pathetic shit.

[Anonymous No.11823575]

>>11823563
Yes, and many people living in space too

The cats out of the bag when it comes to commercial space, there’s no stopping this train now

[Anonymous No.11823582]

>>11823575
The government could easily shit on this if they wanted to do so and there are many motivations for them to do exactly that.

[Anonymous No.11823588]

>>11823582
Fuck the government, call their bluff and make them send the army in to shut down your revolutionary spaceport while you try escaping their hell-prison.

[Anonymous No.11823589]

>>11823582
I mean I see what you’re saying, but even if all of oldspace lobbied together to bar NASA from using the monopoly that will be Starship, what’s stopping Elon from doing his own thing?

[Anonymous No.11823598]

>>11823588
Its a long way to go before you get to that stage and if they are going to shut you down it will be before then.

>>11823589
>what’s stopping Elon from doing his own thing?
>As per US congress, all off world missions involving humans or material transfer must be approved by the United States government.

[Anonymous No.11823602]

>>11823582
>and there are many motivations for them to do exactly that.
such as?

[Anonymous No.11823604]

>>11823582
No there isn't. American enterprise is going to be the near to intermediate term vehicle of space colonization. Having de facto control over an entirely new and exploding form of economy completely blows out any possible contramotivation.

[Anonymous No.11823607]

>>11823598
>>As per US congress, all off world missions involving humans or material transfer must be approved by the United States government.
Or what, gonna shoot me down?

[Anonymous No.11823610]

>>11823607
That's not too far-fetched seeing as rockets are considered ballistic missiles.
Your little free for all dream is just that, a fucking pipe dream.

[Anonymous No.11823612]

>>11823610
You're the one posting fantasies, cunt.

[Anonymous No.11823616]

>>11823598
>>11823607
Psssshh that would actually be a crazy timeline. Imagine Elon sitting on the capacity to launch an entire colony, but a bunch of old congressmen try to bar him from leaving the Earth. I would just leave and tell them they would need to send planetary bounty hunters after me if they want to do anything about it

[Anonymous No.11823619]

>>11823602
>muh jerbs
>save face for NASA
>stop people getting free of earthgov and setting up their own planet

>>11823604
I would agree, however do you seriously think your representatives can see the explosion of the space economy? Mate they are corrupt fucktards.

>>11823607
Yes if you launched an unapproved ballistic missile from US soil you will be intercepted. Go try it and see what happens.

[Anonymous No.11823623]

>>11823547
No, but it would greatly limit their reason for expansion and negate the zoo hypothesis that is implied by the Fermi argument. Why would aliens spend millions of years traveling to us when they could just simulate the conditions of the universe and play with the advanced version of the Spore video game? We are probably no more interesting to advanced aliens than animals are to us, our use to them would be limited and fleeting.

[Anonymous No.11823625]

>>11823616
>sanction badthought Mars like all the other badthought nations
>you die

[Anonymous No.11823629]

>>11823610
>>11823619
>Government kills private company for doing NASA better than NASA
Sure thing

[Anonymous No.11823633]

>>11823619
>I would agree, however do you seriously think your representatives can see the explosion of the space economy?
The space economy will be booming before this mythical anti-space cabal forms.

[Anonymous No.11823639]

>>11823633
The anti space cabal is already alive and well, they just need to get a bunch of Democrats on board which shouldn't be hard at all.

[Anonymous No.11823640]

>>11823623
>Why would aliens spend millions of years traveling to us when they could just simulate the conditions of the universe and play with the advanced version of the Spore video game?
Most wouldn’t, 99.9% wouldn’t, but some would, and you only need one.

[Anonymous No.11823643]

>>11823629
What’s going to be the future of Starship? They will have the capacity to launch so much shit for dirt cheap. NASA is inevitable going to be taken to court by oldspace for “holding a monopoly”, but what’s the fucking alternative? Is the govt going to FORCE them to buy $1bil launches when they could launch double the mass on a starship for $2 MILLION?!

[Anonymous No.11823645]

>>11823639
Even the worst case democrat boogeyman isn't going to enact the kind of sweeping measures you love to jack off to. They're going to fuck around with the NASA budget and pretend they did something meaningful, just like every president has done with every other president's legacy, and nothing more.

[Anonymous No.11823648]

>>11823643
>Is the govt going to FORCE them to buy $1bil launches when they could launch double the mass on a starship for $2 MILLION?!

The government is literally already doing that....

[Anonymous No.11823656]

>>11822901
Yes

[Anonymous No.11823657]

Lot of wishful thinking in here about a friendly government lmao....

[Anonymous No.11823659]

>>11823643
As soon as Starship flies, Elon should buy ad-space fucking everywhere and just compare the two launch systems in cost. "Call your representatives, because you bought this"
Imagine the anger.

[Anonymous No.11823661]

>>11823657
>spread FUD about unprecedented measures because you live in constant fear of your own shadow
>"no lol"
>FUCKING DREAMERS

[Anonymous No.11823665]

>>11823661
I'm not even that guy you retard, pay attention to the historical actions of our demonstrably tyrannical government.

[Anonymous No.11823672]

>>11823659
They really don't have to do anything, it will just be hitting down at that point. They'll take their 95% slice of the space industry pie and clap politely when SLS finally launches at the same time as the first Mars cargo missions

[Anonymous No.11823675]

>>11823619
>>muh jerbs
Starship does it for so cheap that NASA can afford to pay for launches with Starship along with SLS/NLS/ALS/whatevermemelauncher.

>>save face for NASA
Despite the company trying to be financially more independent from NASA, SpaceX is very much a NASA partner. Anything major SpaceX is doing will have NASA wanting a piece of it.

>>stop people getting free of earthgov and setting up their own planet
It's either risk having a space colony do American Revolution II: Electric Boogaloo, or give up space to other powers who might not be so friendly (ex: China).

Fuck off with this doomer shit.

[Anonymous No.11823677]

>>11823659
>Imagine the anger
>lol don't care about space
>t. 95% of the population

[Anonymous No.11823684]

>>11823612
>Hurr durr I'm just gonna launch without government approval, what are they gonna do, shoot me down?
Sorry, but yes. They are going to shoot down an unapproved launch from US soil.

[Anonymous No.11823691]

>>11823665
>I'm not that guy
You chose his hill to die on, why should I care?
I'm not even pro-government, I'm anti-doomer. This wild-eyed doomsday shit never materializes. A few months ago this guy was terrified that Pence was going to kill space, now the dude has a leading position in the Space Force and otherwise hasn't done much of anything.

[Anonymous No.11823694]

>>11823677
They don't care because they don't know. Ask any average person what SLS even is, let alone the cost. You make it a widely public issue if you want people to get an opinion on it, and people respond best to anger. Boil it down to "your taxes, orange rocket" and the rubes will get it.

[Anonymous No.11823699]

>>11823659
SpaceX wouldn't be so bold as to try to strike against the SLS beyond the stray complaint. That would quickly cause them to lose favor with NASA. Instead they would just let the market realize the price difference and let the economic results speak for themselves.

>>11823684
Except that the government has good reasons not to interfere with SpaceX launches beyond the occasional regulation. The most significant of which is that SpaceX, a company that succeded because of little direct oversight, is the key to maintaining US space superiority. Trying to stop or put substantial control over this company would undo the advantage that it gives.

[Anonymous No.11823704]

>>11823665
But the US isn't "demonstrably tyrannical" not even close. If it were tyrannical, then it would've smacked down Elon and SpaceX long ago.

[Anonymous No.11823706]

>>11823699
You don't know what the political situation looks like past November any more than I do. For all we know, November will usher in eternal "Need Mo Money Fo Dem Programs, Cracka".

[Anonymous No.11823711]

>>11823684
There's never going to be a need for unapproved launches. While you sit in the fetal position SpaceX has built up a good track record with the government. Even without NASA they would have military ties. They have a growing workforce which motivates political protectionism. For an indication of their relationship with the FAA, which you know, actually authorizes launches, they have significantly lowered the barrier for suborbital flight permissions out of Boca Chica despite every single thing built there blowing up so far. The onus is on you to actually materialize your overblown concerns.

[Anonymous No.11823716]

>>11823711
Jesus, man. I'm posting a fucking hypothetical. Get off that fucking cock before you post.

[Anonymous No.11823721]

>>11823706
First, even if the next administration defunds NASA then SpaceX would just continue on with a little less yearly profits. Second, there's no way a new budget will be passed that reduces American strength internationally and that includes space (ex: USAF). Thirdly, Trump stands a good chance of winning the reelection.

[Anonymous No.11823722]

>>11823716
Actual, genuine copeposting.

[Anonymous No.11823728]

>>11823704
>If it were tyrannical, then it would've smacked down Elon and SpaceX long ago.
Either that or used SpaceX to bulk deploy killsats instead of Starlink.

[Anonymous No.11823729]

>>11823721
I don't think you have a country left come November at the current rate.

[Anonymous No.11823733]

>>11823729
>you
Don't believe anything you see about the US in foreign media that isn't a raw primary source.

[Anonymous No.11823734]

>>11823729
Realax doomer we're not even shooting each other that much yet.

[Anonymous No.11823738]

>>11823733
Who said foreign media is the only source I have?
Protip: A lot of Europeans left for Murrica after WW2, a few came back while the rest of the families stayed there.

[Anonymous No.11823741]

>>11823716
Just stop doomer posting before you give yourself a heart condition.

>>11823729
This country has seen far worse and it made through just fine.

[Anonymous No.11823742]

>>11823729
>Watching the news

Went to Walmart and Chiles today. Just people doing things like normal.

[Anonymous No.11823744]

>>11823738
>Who said foreign media is the only source I have?
Well you're using "Murrica" so it's pretty obvious which way your sources tilt. KYS.

[Anonymous No.11823745]

>>11823744
>Oh know, he used a meme so he must be a leftist!
Jesus fuck, do you even get oxygen that far up your ass?

[Anonymous No.11823746]

>>11822694
Watch Odyssey 5

[Anonymous No.11823748]

>>11823745
Actual right wing opinions are illegal in Europe so you're either a leftist or a felon. :^)
>know

[Anonymous No.11823754]

>>11823748
Yeah, it's 2am and what would you know about what's legal or not in Europe?

[Anonymous No.11823774]

>>11823754
>it's 2am
What does the time have to do with it?

[Anonymous No.11823775]

>>11823754
Europe is gay, long live the US space colonies

[Anonymous No.11823777]

Imagine being OneWeb and seeing this after just three Starlink launches.

https://streamable.com/id92l8

[Anonymous No.11823785]

>>11823704
>But the US isn't "demonstrably tyrannical" not even close.

Yep just falsify evidence and invade and murder in sovereign countries because they're the good guy.

[Anonymous No.11823788]

Ariane 4 is the best looking rocket ever. This isn't even an opinion, it's a fact. People who say otherwise are brainlets

[Anonymous No.11823800]

>>11823788
can’t wait for it to launch JWST

[Anonymous No.11823801]

We need to build our own heavy lift rocket to get off the earth and away from rioting nigs and normalfags
Colonists get a gauss rifle, robot and first dibs on mirelurk meat in the aquarium farm

[Anonymous No.11823803]

>>11823785
I'm sorry your country is too small to get away with it.

[Anonymous No.11823819]

>>11823788
It does have a charm with its awkward shape. Like when you try to make a large rocket in career KSP but haven't unlocked the larger diameter tanks yet.

[Anonymous No.11823821]

>>11823785
Other countries don’t matter

[Anonymous No.11823825]

>>11823788
What the fuck is all that kibble around the middle?

[Anonymous No.11823833]

It's 8:46 current year and I hate every single one of you niggers. You're all a bunch of losers watching stainless steel water towers explode repeatedly but have you tried HAVING SEX? Sure it's cool I guess being some nerd on a American Canadian South African entrepreneur enthusiasts forum but have you seen a vagina? Felt the bag of sand like mammary glands of a woman?

[Anonymous No.11823836]

[Anonymous No.11823838]

>>11823800
wrong rocket

[Anonymous No.11823840]

>>11823833
why not both

[Anonymous No.11823841]

>>11823836

[Anonymous No.11823842]

>>11823833
Yeah and I still love space. I’m raising my son to as well.

[Anonymous No.11823846]

>>11823833
>not becoming a space monk

[Anonymous No.11823866]

>>11823846
lol that's a bit more straightforward of a cover than my copy

[Anonymous No.11823881]

>>11823825
acoustic and thermal insulation

[Anonymous No.11823887]

Starship fanboys will keep believing that this is the future

[Anonymous No.11823890]

>>11823887
Still much faster than SLS.

[Anonymous No.11823893]

>>11823777
Surely OneWeb should just give up?

[Anonymous No.11823895]

>>11823887
Yes you fucking virgin, YES

[Anonymous No.11823900]

>>11823887
Yes.

[Anonymous No.11823901]

>>11823895
can't wait for the next explosion

[Anonymous No.11823902]

>>11823887
Mighty quiet about Starhopper I see.

[Anonymous No.11823903]

>>11823887
>fuckingdie.png
maybe seeing a therapist should be higher on your priority list than shitposting about spaceflight

[Anonymous No.11823905]

>>11823903
Didn't even notice that lmao this dude is the ULA sniper

[Anonymous No.11823908]

>>11823887
that’s how testing works, you blow shit up

[Anonymous No.11823910]

>>11823908
Makes me wish we saw more of SLS testing, seeing the orange tank split down the seams was pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.11823922]

>>11823910
SLS doesn’t have many destructive tests. Because it’s built by the government, with hundreds of different contractors, it’s designed from the ground up with known technology that won’t break. They only do a few destructive tests and build each one to fly right off the block. SpaceX is doing more of a “design and push it to explosion and then improve it” cause they’re a private company and they can change anything on the fly

[Anonymous No.11823934]

Imagine when our descendants, the Martians find our old probes and landers, and wonder about the people who made them were like

[Anonymous No.11823937]

>>11823922
>SpaceX is doing more of a “design and push it to explosion and then improve it
As long as they don't run out of money, this seems like a winning strategy. I know we all like to shit all over SLS but it's still kind of sad that all that time, effort and money will only return previously-held capability at best, or be completely obsolete a few flights in at worse.

[Anonymous No.11823953]

>>11823937
They won’t run out of money lmao. SpaceX has a lot of money from contracts with other agencies and companies around the globe, and revenue from starlink will be used to fund Starship. Not to mention NASA paid for Artemis landers, a japanese billionaire paid a shitlod to take a ride, and elon himself has billions to pour into it if he is really deadset on getting a colony to Mars before he dies

[Anonymous No.11823980]

>>11823953
I hope so, when Starlink subscriptions start rolling in I think they might be set. I'd like to shitpost via Starlink sats.

[Anonymous No.11824015]

>>11823980
>shitpost via Starlink sats

[Anonymous No.11824020]

>>11823980
>inb4 4channel is forced to block all Starlink IP addresses to stop the new wave of shitposting

[Anonymous No.11824021]

>>11824020
60,000 Nigerian shitposters

[Anonymous No.11824025]

>>11824015
>>11824020
>historic first 4chan post using new Starlink network
>*cracks knuckles*
"N-"

[Anonymous No.11824027]

>>11824025
ationalize

[Anonymous No.11824029]

>>11824025
OrbitalDepots

[Anonymous No.11824030]

>>11822753
kilopower needs to be on a stick. away from the ship to protect the electrons from neutrons.

[Anonymous No.11824036]

>they actually patched up SN7
the madmen

[Anonymous No.11824039]

>>11824036
mfw it’s just flexseal

[Anonymous No.11824042]

>>11824039
Phil Swift just flew over my house!

[Anonymous No.11824071]

How much do y’all expect the final design to change? Obviously Elon is quick to change the little things, but do you expect it to look almost exactly like image provided? I’m thinking the fins moving look a bit different in the end, and the big window will probably change shapes a few times before the final design. And obviously we’ll probably see spacex livery on it. I hope they keep it small though, I love the minimalist look without a huge “SpaceX” logo running down the side

[Anonymous No.11824073]

Proonted a lil Dreamchaser for my desk.
What is this thing for again? I recall trying the same "mini-Shuttle for crew only" idea in KSP and found it easier to just use a damn capsule in the end.

[Anonymous No.11824074]

>>11824071
>How much do y’all expect the final design to change?
I'm expecting the legs and fins to be changed after the SN-suborbitals start flying, but I'm not sure how they would change.

[Anonymous No.11824081]

>>11824071
I doubt it will carry livery. Cybertruck is bare too, and that's unlikely to change. The idea behind both is that both are so singular and striking that they are their own branding just by showing up.

Other than that, beyond maintaining the basic concept and shape it's hard to say how much will change going forward.

[Anonymous No.11824097]

>>11824071
The huge cockpit will probably be reduced, like the BFR design with the 2 rows of windows.
>>11824073
Supposedly, this thing's flight path is more controllable than a capsule's, and can just land on a runway.

[Anonymous No.11824103]

>>11824073
It will be used to transport cargo to the station

[Anonymous No.11824108]

>>11824097
I imagine the windows will be something more like what's on the lunar Starship renders; that is, not many for how big it is.

[Anonymous No.11824116]

>>11824097
>>11824103
Is landing on a runway that much more advantageous? If Dragon can be reused and still deliver cargo via the trunk, then what's the advantage to Dreamchaser, other than not solely relying on a single company to deliver?
Prootin' a Cygnus next, we still use those right?

[Anonymous No.11824118]

>cygnus
nobody tell him

[Anonymous No.11824123]

>>11824116
I mean you raise a good point. At the end of the day it’s just about which convenience you want. The original design for Dragon 2 was to land itself using rockets on a landing pad autonomously. Dreamchaser can land autonomously on a runway. Not much different, each has pros and cons. And yeah cignus is a thing I think they just got a contract for Artemis, although it’s now owned by Northrop Grumman

[Anonymous No.11824126]

>>11824116
Refurbishing shit out of a saltwater bath ala Dragon is not optimal. Hence why they kept/keep trying to catch fairings. Of course, capsules can land on land too depending on design factors, so a mini-shuttle isn't really necessary

[Anonymous No.11824131]

>>11824116
Runway landing has only cons, the fact they want to land horizontally is proof they are too scared to innovate

[Anonymous No.11824133]

>>11824126
If refurbishing/relaunch cost of Dreamchaser is similar to the price of launching a Dragon then yeah that'd make it viable I suppose, would at least be neat to see another winged craft in LEO again at the very least.
>>11824123
A quick lookup says we should be seeing another Cygnus launch in September, not really that exciting to watch toilet-paper and MREs get sent up I guess, which is probably why I've never watched a Cygnus launch.

[Anonymous No.11824136]

>>11824126
If salt water is an issue then just land in fresh water lakes
Problem solved
It’s not like hitting a thousand square kilometer lake is hard

But that’s how you know no one along there was serious about reuse, and he’ll the FAA would probably say no to you landing anywhere near land.

[Anonymous No.11824140]

>>11824136
What major lakes could be used? The Great Lakes seem too far north unless I completely misunderstand the orbit of ISS.

[Anonymous No.11824144]

What inaccuracies does KSP have, besides being on a much smaller scale?

[Anonymous No.11824146]

>>11822702
wew lad

[Anonymous No.11824149]

>>11824140
No n-body physics. (At least without mods)

[Anonymous No.11824150]

>>11822771
Earth formed 7 billion years into the history of the universe.
Life on Earth came about basically straight away with the correct conditions. Other planets have had a shitload more of a head start.
The early civilisation hypothesis really doesn't add up.

[Anonymous No.11824151]

>>11824144
>propellant tank dry mass is high for the amount of propellant they store
>engines and motors seem to be lower Isp than they should
>reaction wheels that are crazy strong and don't saturate
>no life support requirements
>patched conics
>engines can perfectly throttle from 0% to 100% and back
>infinite engine restarts
>no fuel sloshing
>abstract resources
>"ore" that can become any resource except electricity
>automatically deletes crafts that are flying through the air and are far away from the craft you are currently controlling
>simplistic supersonic modeling
And more that I'm probably missing.

[Anonymous No.11824154]

>>11823589
>>11823598
>2022
>doing refueling tests for Starship
>okay it's full, now what?
>hey guise I'm sending this one to Mars now

[Anonymous No.11824158]

>>11824149
Faaaaak. Replied to the wrong post.

[Anonymous No.11824160]

>>11824144
aero model blows. So does patched conics

[Anonymous No.11824164]

>>11824158
It's okay anon, I figured that didn't pertain to my post.

[Anonymous No.11824165]

>>11824140
The ISS is actually higher than the Great Lakes so they would be usable
But any sort of lake or large river would be suitable
Doesn’t even have to be in the USA

[Anonymous No.11824169]

>>11824154
>b-b-but Elon, we haven't even started on the software for Mars landing yet!
>well, the transit takes 6 months doesn't it? Tick tock.

[Anonymous No.11824173]

>>11824165
That's right, I forgot the inclination was high enough for ruskies to take part. They have a couple big lakes too, don't they? I'd love to watch a Dragon splashdown in my backyard though, I'm near a bay on Lake Michigan and it'd be neat to get that opportunity.

[Anonymous No.11824176]

>>11824039
>Thanks to Flex Tape, this fairing is as good as new!

[Anonymous No.11824200]

>>11824118
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.11824205]

>>11824173
They don't have the infrastructure to recover them in the lakes, nonetheless saltwater shouldn't be a problem in my opinions since all the ports automatically seal to prevent water from entering the capsules interior

[Anonymous No.11824206]

>>11824205
>infrastructure to recover them in the lakes
You mean, boats? Depending on how precise you wanna be, couldn't you just drag a capsule onto the deck of a decent sized boat with a winch and some rope? How much more complex should recovery really have to be?

[Anonymous No.11824207]

>>11824200
>a fucking can

[Anonymous No.11824209]

>>11824200
isn't that the thing girls stick up their uterus to prevent pregnancies

[Anonymous No.11824210]

>>11824207
>trashcan+solar panels
I mean I don't know what else I was expecting

[Anonymous No.11824216]

>>11824209
I mean it probably would discourage impregnation having that up there, but the thing you're thinking of is more 'Y' shaped innit?

[Anonymous No.11824227]

guys
what if we take a trashcan with solar panels but launch it with hydrolox

[Anonymous No.11824230]

>>11824205
Any boat ramp would do, these capsules are 10 tons at the heaviest.

Staying water from salt water and needing ocean going ships would be ideal

[Anonymous No.11824231]

>>11824227
It would be extremely costly.

[Anonymous No.11824244]

>>11824231
For you.

[Anonymous No.11824255]

>>11823980
>implying starlink ISP wont get blocked from posting in every board

[Anonymous No.11824259]

>>11822745
It's possible that you'd need several generations of stars to live and die to build up enough heavy elements to planets for life to live on that aren't just balls of gas.
>>11822780
Sol is like a 3rd or 4th gen star at least.

[Anonymous No.11824273]

>>11824259
>Sol is like a 3rd or 4th gen star at least.
I didn't know that, I thought it was relatively young.
Maybe complex life isn't possible unless you throw hydrogen through 2-4 generations of stars?

[Anonymous No.11824277]

Any news on SN5? I haven't been following for a few days

[Anonymous No.11824285]

>>11824277
SN5/SN6 waiting until SN7 is done with testing.

[Anonymous No.11824287]

>>11824285
I thought SN7 was dead but now it's being fixed, so I have no idea what's to come.

[Anonymous No.11824293]

>>11824073
dude what is wrong with your printer? I dont want to be mean but that looks like trash.

[Anonymous No.11824310]

>>11824081
For manned launches it definitely will have NASA and SpaceX livery.

Maybe just on the aerofoils but it’ll be there.

[Anonymous No.11824313]

>>11824285
Pretty sure sn5 will be tested on Wednesday

[Anonymous No.11824315]

>>11824293
Beats me, I got it for free and my only investment has been buying some filament and a set of calipers to judge scale. I expect nothing so any print that gives me a little desktop toy is a win to me. Some sanding and painting isn't a pain, though I've been wondering if spraying a print down with polyurethane might smooth things out before painting.

[Anonymous No.11824346]

>>11821974
Furries are based

[Anonymous No.11824365]

>>11824346
You’ve been expelled too the Eres colony motherfucker

[Anonymous No.11824386]

>>11824346
All furries get the gas.

[Anonymous No.11824418]

>>11822606
Anon. You can refuel a methalox engine from seawater+air+energy as well.

[Anonymous No.11824479]

>>11824176
This is quality stuff anon hahahah

[Anonymous No.11824530]

>>11823833
I took my bfs big fat cock a few hours ago

[Anonymous No.11824535]

>>11824530
Sounds pretty gay anon

[Anonymous No.11824536]

>>11824144
Asteroids are perfectly rigid

[Anonymous No.11824547]

>>11824144
My tiny bit of thrust while landing on yhe mun is not enough to throw me into a suborbital arch.

[Anonymous No.11824560]

>>11824071
Elon did say that the aero surfaces did change a bit. That was like 2-3 months ago, no clue how they look now.

[Anonymous No.11824570]

>>11824097
>>11824108
Nah they're going for passenger experience which means windows that most get to see out of.

[Anonymous No.11824575]

>>11824560
Thanks fren
>>11824570
Yeah I agree. We’ve all seen the mockup of the lady playing the violin in front of the huge ass window, I feel like that’s what Elon is really going for

[Anonymous No.11824590]

>>11824209
The shape looks like more the thing girls take up their vaginas to get pregnant

[Anonymous No.11824609]

>>11824200
Nice PROOONT.

>>11824210
Cygnus looks like it was originally designed to launch in a spaceplane's cargo bay or out of a mass driver, but they built a shitty half Ukrainian half SRB booster for it when the Shuttle died and Kistler imploded. I imagine a bigger Cygnus as the basis of the 4ASS Yeet Train 50t Standard Module.

[Anonymous No.11824658]

>>11822557
If that's truly the case then we should sow the seeds of life on as many planets as we can.

[Anonymous No.11824668]

>>11822569
Pace of evolution maybe. Out of 3+ billion years of liquid water on Earth's surface we evolved less than 50 million years from the end. Add in the fact that only second generation stars can support life and you have a narrow window of less than a billion years for the whole observable universe thus far. We are the first ones.

[Anonymous No.11824681]

>>11823158
Please tell me the new mars rover has better wheels

[Anonymous No.11824757]

>>11823262
Teach them that interracial porn and social justice is more important than space exploration.

[Anonymous No.11824876]

NASA saving Virgin Galactic's ass?
>private astronauts intending to fly to the ISS will get training by Virgin Galactic at Spaceport America
Not sure if this includes rides on SpaceShipTwo.

https://twitter.com/virgingalactic/status/1275023567831404545
https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/22/21298347/virgin-galactic-nasa-private-human-orbital-spaceflight-international-space-station

[Anonymous No.11824901]

>>11824876
https://twitter.com/JimBridenstine/status/1274024182297374721

[Anonymous No.11824902]

>>11824757
What if we redpill the aliens?

[Anonymous No.11824903]

>>11824154
Could starship do faster transfers if needed? They aren't going to need a payload for initial tests

[Anonymous No.11824907]

>inb4 starship carries a cybertruck to jupiter

[Anonymous No.11824928]

>>11824907
> Grimes album on repeat

[Anonymous No.11824982]

>>11824901
Does this imply that there will be more announcements like Virgin's?

[Anonymous No.11825039]

>>11824901
>Whether it’s suborbital, orbital, or deep space, NASA will utilize our nation’s innovative commercial capabilities.
Are they going to pretend suborbital is about anything other than handing money to companies? Maybe claim it's beta-testing space tourism?

[Anonymous No.11825063]

>>11825039
Well, NASA isn't only a space organization...people often forget about the "Aeronautics" part.

[Anonymous No.11825088]

>>11824876
>Signed other useless partnership
>Hope to keep stock stay afloat for an other week
The absolute state of this shitty company

[Anonymous No.11825090]

>>11825063
Good point. still, virgin galactic is an annoying scam that's probably going to get a few tourists killed sooner rather than later when their model airplane disintegrates again

[Anonymous No.11825101]

>>11825088
Another few dollars to scrape out of the barrel and pour back onto the main business.

[Anonymous No.11825108]

>>11825088
Serious question, what the fuck is their game plan? They can barely make suborbital for a few minutes before having to come back down, the vehicle is known to be dangerous, and there's no scientific purpose to the whole thing. Nobody in their right mind would fly on that thing

[Anonymous No.11825120]

>>11824902
If the aliens are truly advanced and successful, then they've already eradicated their great filter, aka their own space jews

[Anonymous No.11825130]

>>11825120
the great filter is the formation of life in the first place

[Anonymous No.11825135]

>>11825088
This is why newspace companies should NEVER go public. Virgin Galactic thrives off gullible stockholders who believe that they're riding the same wave as SpaceX. They only need to do the bare minimum to keep up that illusion.

[Anonymous No.11825138]

>>11825130
>life
Probably less than a hundred million years to develop
>complex animals
Billions of years
The great filter, if anything, is the fact that the conditions for life that has the energy budget and complexity to develop intelligence are much rarer than life as a basic scum, and even in the right conditions it takes so long to develop that in most cases the window either closed first, or it just hasn't happened yet.

[Anonymous No.11825142]

>>11825135
It was a calculated move. They knew they would catch the goodwill of useful idiots who see "space" and just think of SpaceX-like growth, but instead their intentions are to run Virgin Galactic on basic life support while funneling the cash.

[Anonymous No.11825268]

>>11822706
>Hope they’re friendly and we don’t have a reason to go to war like savages.
Xenophilia will win in the end.

[Anonymous No.11825271]

>>11825268
Fanatic xenophile federation when?

[Anonymous No.11825277]

>>11825108
>Serious question, what the fuck is their game plan?
My guess is that they want to become a passenger spaceliner company like they are for air. They don't want to build the spacecraft, just operate them.

[Anonymous No.11825292]

Semi-related, but what makes a super Earth interesting if they're a trap to land on?

[Anonymous No.11825301]

>SpaceX bought a Spot
damn... I'm going to send a link to my boss

[Anonymous No.11825302]

>>11825292
Trap to land on? As in much higher gravity, thus can't get off the rock?

[Anonymous No.11825307]

>>11825302
Yeah. Like Eve from KSP. So whatever resources from the planet would be incredibly difficult to extract.

[Anonymous No.11825309]

>>11825292
They may have life; but we’re not launching off them once we land without fusion engines or Orion drives.

[Anonymous No.11825313]

>>11825307
Eve actually requires the same delta/v as Earth to launch off of. It only seems difficult in comparison to Kerbin.

[Anonymous No.11825317]

>>11825307
well of course resource extraction from deep gravity wells is a meme. who cares though? practical resource scarcity is over before even leaving the system and there are better places to mine in other systems just like venus or earth are shit places to source raw resources within the solar system

[Anonymous No.11825329]

>>11823060
I hope aliens are humanoid and have two genders, if you catch my drift :^)

[Anonymous No.11825342]

>>11825329
Seven genders and fifty tentacles

[Anonymous No.11825344]

>>11825342
Imagine...

[Anonymous No.11825346]

>>11825309
>fusion engines or Orion drives
not our planet. nuke that fucker every launch.

[Anonymous No.11825366]

>>11825346
Wasn't something scheduled to be tested today?

[Anonymous No.11825369]

>>11825346
Sorry, didn't mean to quote here >>11825366

[Anonymous No.11825372]

>>11825342
Imagine if we meet a alien race like that and some human SJW tries to explain to them that humans have more then two genders too.

[Anonymous No.11825378]

>>11825108
>Nobody in their right mind would fly on that thing
So far, nobody still can. What is taking them so long anyhow? It's been almost six years since the crash, what are they actually doing now?

[Anonymous No.11825382]

>>11825329
>>11825342
>>11825372
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.11825393]

>>11825382
You're worse.

[Anonymous No.11825408]

>>11825382
>not wanting to bang all eleven genders and have all of your sensitive zones touched by their tentacles and claws

[Anonymous No.11825425]

>>11825292
Earth is really towards the upper limit on planet size before chemical rocket propulsion becomes ludicrous for getting off the the place.
You need a reasonably large rocket to get off earth, but as surface gravity increases the size of a rocket needed for a given payload grows exponentially. Even a super earth at 2g needs a Saturn V tier rocket to get a few kg into orbit.
A species on a super earth would be far more trapped than we are.

[Anonymous No.11825443]

>>11825425
Would a species born on a smaller world think this same thing about us? Maybe a super-Earth species just makes fuckhueg Seadragons to launch everything and think nothing of it since it's all they've known.

[Anonymous No.11825450]

>>11825443
Worlds much smaller than earth are probably unable to keep their atmospheres long enough (due to the core solidifying and losing their magnetic fields etc) for life to stick around 4 billion years. See Mars at 38% earth gravity.
We're really in the sweet spot.

[Anonymous No.11825464]

>>11825443
If they're anything like us I see it being very difficult to develop a functional space economy under those conditions within solvency. Imagine being stuck on some shuttle-tier boondoggle but ten times longer with ten times the expenditure.

I think to some degree super earths are kind of a meme anyway. Most probably lack useful surfaces at all.

[Anonymous No.11825510]

>>11825408
Keeper of Secrets, pls.

[Anonymous No.11825523]

>>11825108
Could go point to point journeys for business travelers.
Not much good if they can't prove safety though.

[Anonymous No.11825526]

>>11825130
Nah i think its morality

[Anonymous No.11825528]

>>11825464
>I think to some degree super earths are kind of a meme anyway. Most probably lack useful surfaces at all.
Would there still be anything useful to visit them for? Even just for scientific curiosity?

[Anonymous No.11825549]

>>11825528
World cracking.

[Anonymous No.11825555]

>>11825528
Penal colony? Planet Australia.

[Anonymous No.11825569]

Just imagine how many tons of gold you could harvest from an entire planet

[Anonymous No.11825579]

>>11825443
No such a spieces would spend fifty years designing a very light Lithium based rocket that is super efficient and is handmilled and is expendable and uses high ISP fuels that are supper expensive. Think oldspace but on steroids and their being no alternative.

[Anonymous No.11825630]

>>11825342

[Anonymous No.11825670]

>>11825549
I wonder what kind of superweapon you need to crack a planet like earth.
I remember reading somewhere that the not nerfed tsarbomb would probably be powerful enough to ignite the earth's atmosphere, but thats still a fart in a bathtub compared to cracking a planet.

[Anonymous No.11825677]

>>11825670
Just get any projectile to half c or so and smack it into the surface. Why would this not work?

[Anonymous No.11825739]

how can one state be so based?

[Anonymous No.11825747]

>>11825739
Picture related.

[Anonymous No.11825757]

Any boca chica testing today?

[Anonymous No.11825760]

>>11825739
Austin sucks, but I've liked every other part of Texas I've been through.
Fuck Austin, first time I'd ever seen locks on storefront's power outlets, homeless people cosplaying Santa in March, and been cussed out for not giving a black woman my cigarette. Never again.

[Anonymous No.11825774]

>>11825760
That describes literally every liberal city I've been to, anyway how is Dallas? Ill be moving to the area once covid is over

[Anonymous No.11825779]

>>11825774
Dunno, I didn't go through Dallas. I spent a month in Midland and felt pretty comfy though, felt like home but warmer. Nice people.

[Anonymous No.11825880]

It's been quiet lately.

[Anonymous No.11825890]

>>11825760
>the year is 2085
>you are taking your family on a day trip to the nearest Downtown Market
>a gated tourist attraction that models the appeals of the old downtown regions of major cities
>pubs, novelty stores, niche restaurants, and park areas for families to enjoy as if they were taking a weekend trip to a local city decades ago
>Have to pay for tickets ahead of time, so no homeless mobs or 'street merchants' (except for licensed food trucks and similar vendors)
>Some Downtown Markets are themed, using architectural styles from famous eras such as the 1960's and the 2010's
>Private security throws out anyone who hassles people on the street

>While waiting in line at the checkpoint you pull up GlobeTube on the dash and tune in to a national news station
>Watch the first manned landing on Ceres, after a while they cut to live views of protests against NASA in major cities. You see mobs of people holding signs that say "Pennies for immigrants, quadrillions for space"
>Several shootings amid the chaos, but this is normal and happens every month or two. Most major cities have riots every weekend for some reason or another
>Space is a multi quintilian dollar industry and is more heavily lobbied than fossil fuel was at its peak, so congress is never going to cut NASA's budget

[Anonymous No.11825914]

>>11825329
dumb normie vanillafag
>>11825342
Based.
I'm sick and tired of all these people who seem to pride themselves on wanting to fuck aliens when they actually just want to fuck green-skinned humans. I want to stimulate an alien's shloomygorp until it has an orgasm-equivalent, as any proper xenophile would.
Plastic-forehead-alien lovers can fuck off and live out their boring normie fantasies in VR, or with humans who've just had some cosmetic surgery done.

[Anonymous No.11825934]

>>11823902
>first flight of a FFSC engine
>largest prototype rocket powered vehicle to ever fly
>constructed from scratch far faster than industry standard

>in comparison to modern Raptor and Starship prototypes, the Hopper is already a total dinosaur, and it's only bee about 9 months
Uh, yeah, I'm thinking we're going to space.

[Anonymous No.11825935]

>>11825779
Thats good. I'm a Midwestern man myself so the urban spawl of Dallas seems rough but I'm sure i could find ways around it.

[Anonymous No.11825947]

>>11825943
>>11825943
>>11825943
New thread

[Anonymous No.11826090]

>>11824151
>>"ore" that can become any resource except electricity
If you use ore to generate LF and oxidizer, then use those a fuel cell array, you can actually generate enough electricity to power your drills and ore converters. It's a bit broken desu.

[Anonymous No.11826095]

>>11825774
Avoid south Dallas, there's... a shadow there.

[Anonymous No.11826097]

>>11824560
He said little outward (ie visible) changes, probably most changes are how they will mount to Starship and be actuated.

Just had a thought, would it make sense to put the battery packs and motors driving the flaps inside the flaps themselves? It's going to take a lot of force to push those flaps into the wind, so it actually makes sense for them to be very dense, no? It would have the added benefit of reducing a lot of beefyness requirements for the hinge mechanism, too; it would still need to take the same pushing force but not nearly as much torque.

[Anonymous No.11826109]

>>11825313
Uh yeah, so make that same ratio of difficulty apply to Earth vs super-earth.

[Anonymous No.11826136]

>>11825292
Interesting for science for a lot of reasons (although the scientific community has proven time and time again that there is no lower limit to the value and uniqueness an object or subject must have for a group of eggheads to autistically focus on it and ignore everything else).

Interesting to an interstellar-spaceflight-capable species because they'd probably treat every object as a pile of resources to be extracted, and would have the technological capability to mine any object imaginable other than white dwarf stars and neutron stars, perhaps. High thrust fusion engines would probably be a serious option for them (or for us, if we ever find ourselves in that position), but they'd also probably be able to build orbital ring launch systems if such a thing is even possible (ie if the problems with orbital ring structures are solvable, they'll probably have been solved by then). In case you aren't aware, an orbital ring is effectively a megastructure built around an object which is stationary relative to the surface of that object and is held up by the outward centripetal force of an interior mass moving at faster-than-orbital-velocity. This lets you launch into orbit around pretty much any sized planet with any amount of gravity or atmosphere by simply climbing one of the ground tethers to the ring structure, then accelerating using an electromagnetic track along the entire ring for as long as it takes to reach orbital velocity or beyond, then simply letting go. Problems include wave propagation instabilities among other things but if they can be solved it lets you ignore atmosphere and surface G and the rocket equation until you're already sitting in orbit.

[Anonymous No.11826189]

>>11825774
Dallas is sort of a meme to people outside of Dallas, but you have Fort Worth in close proximity. If you have a chance to visit Houston I highly recommend it. The traffic can be bad but people from Space City are cool

[Anonymous No.11826377]

>>11825443
>Maybe a super-Earth species just makes fuckhueg Seadragons to launch everything
The problem is it isn't a matter of delta V alone, it's a matter of needing a much larger delta V budget AND needing higher thrust to mass ratio per stage. It makes the engineering difficulty way way more than just 2x worse.