Why physics is separated from mathematics?

[Anonymous No.11820601]

The big question of the 21st century is that physics should be independent of mathematics?

When newtons had discovered and developed the mathematics it was a pave into the creation of physics.

Why math majors hate comp sci majors while physics majors not?

How was the relationship diplomatic relationship between math and physics?

Scientific sources: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_mathematics_and_physics

[Anonymous No.11820607]

Physics is for faggots
Math is for niggers

[Anonymous No.11820609]

>>11820601
I refuse to read that article on the grounds that it was edited by anyone other than /sci/ anons.

[Anonymous No.11820611]

>>11820601
Physics is expressed by math so I'd call them the same thing

[Anonymous No.11820612]

>>11820607
>math is for niggers
Liberals wish it were

[Anonymous No.11820620]

>>11820607
Math is the nigger of STEM fields

[Anonymous No.11820635]

>>11820620
Get out.

[Anonymous No.11820642]

>>11820607
I see. Liberal arts majors are fucking ignorant, racist, and backward.

>>11820609
Yes. That anon supported the anti-mathematics unification.

>>11820611
So it is like India and Pakistan--the same culture but divided by borders?

>>11820620
Retard

[Anonymous No.11820655]

>>11820601
Physics is trying to approximate a system whose rules you don't inherently know with a system whose rules you do.

[Anonymous No.11820673]

>>11820601
>Why math majors hate comp sci majors while physics majors not?
CSfags pretend to be mathematicians and to understand mathematics, math majors know they are not mathematicians and don't understand mathematics and resent them for posing as such. Physics majors don't interact with CSfags nearly as much and don't have to deal with them pretending to be physicists and they are slightly less autistic compared to math majors and so are less inclined to bitter ressentiment

[Anonymous No.11820681]

>>11820601
You know, your post raises attention to an interesting point, but you simply had to turn it into a massive shitpost.
Why are you doing that?
>Wikipedia
>Scientific sources
Choose one.
>newtons had discovered and developed the mathematics
Try Leibniz.
>Why math majors hate comp sci majors
That hasn't been my experience. Mathematicians have been great people to work with.
We are cut from the same cloth.

In the end, it probably comes down to the question, if the universe is computable.
At the moment it looks like that to me, but that may very well be a massive case of Dunning-Kruger.

[Anonymous No.11820685]

>>11820673
Sorry, but physicists are the most autistic breed. Pure maths is unspeakable brilliance. The mud you call physics is an abomination of unorganized complexity.

[Anonymous No.11820687]

>>11820685
This hasn't been my experience the mathfags I've befriended are all significantly mroe autistic than the physics students. They're both relatively autistic but the difference between the two is palpable. My point about the csfags stands either way and doesn't rely on the relative autism of either physicists or mathematicians.

[Anonymous No.11820688]

>>11820685
>are the more autistic
Not sure if this correction is valid.

[Anonymous No.11820694]

>>11820601
Physics attempts to describe this ephemeral "stuff" that no one really understands in simplified terms. Math is just those simplified terms.

[Anonymous No.11820707]

>>11820685
You seem to hate both side, so are you an anarchist between physics independence and math-unification. CS majors are desperately spamming the board to make the tension between math and physics. Nice move OP.

[Anonymous No.11820779]

>>11820601
You have it backwards, bro. Physics is mathematics' bitch currently. Theoretical physicists are stuck with the paths that maths opens up for them. Einstein developed general relativity without any math involved, just physical understanding. We need to get back there and separate mathematical rigor from physics. Then after another revolution mathematicians can tell the physicists what they did wrong again. That way, both will win.

[Anonymous No.11821152]

Doing physics in a mathematically rigorous way is extremely inefficient.
We need to have some freedom to accept certain things based on "physical intuition" or otherwise in order to get things done, because ultimately all that matters is if the theory matches with experiment.

[Anonymous No.11821571]

>>11820601
Pic on left is purely mathematical. Bad pic OP.

[Anonymous No.11822814]

>>11820601
Bump this,
When I learned Algebra, I was enlightened past counting
When I learned Vector Calculus, I was enlightened pasted Algebra
But it wasn't until I learned it through geometry that I felt I understood math
But it wasn't until I became a programmer that I realized how little our mathematics reflects nature.

I get repeatedly /x/'d for mentioning pic related. But he has modeled an omnidimensional vector field that is continuous with the first 9 natural numbers. Zero is a vector equilibrium, a balance of numbers, curl and divergence appear to be abstracted to 3,6,9 and 124875 number sets respectively. And I will further hypothesize that the polodial vector is the dirac string, which forms the eigenbasis of the omnidimensional spheriod.

[Anonymous No.11822819]

>>11820655
/thread

[Anonymous No.11823187]

If you know all about math how difficult would it be to pick up physics?
What is physics if you were to remove all math?

[Anonymous No.11823232]

>>11820601
If you are dumb enough you can create your own math for everything... even for big shit spinning right in front of your eyes but you can't just see that shit because it's in another dimension and guess what "It can be mathematically approved".

Peoples should really read books from Newton(metaphysics ones). Old philosophers where actually smart and as it is written in book Philosophy as a Rite of Rebirth peoples actually give up and modern philosophers are like piltos who give up on their own jet. Such a retarded time we live in peoples still live in despair because they don't understand basics they don't understand anything they keep chasing their own tails and everything was already answered in our history we knew laws of this universe old phyisicst new them too and they build up on them but now it's just such a pathetic excuse because peoples who should lead us are asking if there is something more then this.

[Anonymous No.11823253]

physics is much more complex than math.

[Anonymous No.11823261]

>>11820601

math is theoretical
physics is applied

[Anonymous No.11823317]

>>11822814
uhhuh
are you sure about that?

>omnidimensional vector field
what do you mean by this?

>that is continuous with the first 9 natural numbers

and this?

> Zero is a vector equilibrium
what about this?

[Anonymous No.11823475]

>>11823187
>if you know all about math
You'd have to accept that we write [math]df[/math] to mean "a little bit of [math]f[/math]", that no, we don't mean an element of the cotangent space of a manifold, and yes, we're going to multiply both sides by [math]dx[/math]. Also, no one gives a fuck about well-tempered distributions. Dirac called it a function and it works in our models and I honestly don't give a shit that you don't like it when I write [math]\delta(x)[/math] outside an integral.
>What is physics without math
Pseudoscience for schizophrenics.

[Anonymous No.11823605]

>>11823475
>Einstein was schizophrenic

[Anonymous No.11823924]

Because math majors are thick headed dweebs and nothing they do matters.
Physics majors learn real math, math that WORKS

[Anonymous No.11824092]

>>11823317

Am I sure? rarely, I've learned two unknowns for every known for too

>what do you mean by this?
http://www.rexresearch.com/rodin/13-rodinopeningblckhole.pdf (11-12)

I mean to describe that the rules his math system lays out can be generalized to higher dimensionality, and still provide perfect vector compression at the center of the circle, sphere, hypersphere etc.
2D ->3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unqKSfZfzho

>and this?
continuity or smoothness if you will, generally requires infinity divisible numbers, stretching to infinite domains. Which of course forms an original sin of the modern maths becoming divorced from engineering, for there is no infinite divisibility in nature.

Marko Rodins number system generates a differentiable and integratible vector field composed of just whole numbers.

>what about this?
The cuboctahedron, the balance of all forces.
In a 1984, BNW fashion, does one think it odd we use something to represent nothing? 0, zero, text, information, entropy, all to explain the lack of it. Doublethink if you ask me. No zeroness, in any meaningful quantity, could only be used to describe the canceling out of forces.

https://fullerfuture.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/buckminsterfuller-synergetics.pdf (96)

[Anonymous No.11824515]

>>11820681
It isn’t, shit’s too broken on subatomic, all we have is approximations with faulty math
Hey, as long as it works

[Anonymous No.11824540]

>>11820601
physics is just applied math

[Anonymous No.11824554]

>>11824540
you probably think highly of yourself, but what you say is alike to
> surgery is just applied lancet.

[Anonymous No.11824562]

>>11822814
Fucking nerd

[Anonymous No.11824571]

>>11820601
There's this field called applied/experimental physics.

[Anonymous No.11824645]

>>11824515
>shit’s too broken on subatomic
Do you have an example?
Haven't encountered anything like that, and would be genuinely interested.

[Anonymous No.11824649]

>>11820601
Reminder top mathematicians are also physicists but not the other way around.

[Anonymous No.11824664]

>>11824649
>Reminder top mathematicians are also physicists but not the other way around.
anon, I...

[Anonymous No.11824684]

>>11820601
They are basically the same thing.

[Anonymous No.11824709]

>>11824649
Based. As a pure mathematician I could very easily learn high level physics, but as soon as you impose the slightest bit of rigour onto a physishit they sperg out and claim they 'never liked maths anyway'.

[Anonymous No.11824791]

>>11824709
>I could very easily learn high level physics
Doubt it. I've seen many math professors fail at this.

>impose the slightest bit of rigour onto a physishit they sperg out and claim they 'never liked maths anyway'.
Bullshit. That statement makes me think you're a high school student and never actually worked with a physicist.

Actual mathematics PhD student here btw.

[Anonymous No.11824805]

>>11820673
Take this retard and figure out that mathtards studied a fuckton just to have autistic knowledge about one flawed system that only works within itself and it's own rules separated from reality, in other words they can't apply all of that to anything tangible and thus hate people who can actually create useful stuff both on a day to day bases and advanced specialist tools.

[Anonymous No.11824807]

>>11824709
the roleplay is real

[Anonymous No.11826472]

>>11822814

based schizo poster

[Anonymous No.11827790]

>>11820607
finally...a refined opinion

[Anonymous No.11827823]

>>11820601
Different notation?
Look at problems in a different way?
I supposed physics is applied?
It doesn't matter really. They each devote their time in different ways.

[Anonymous No.11827859]

>>11820601
because math is abstract, just ideas
physics is real phenomena only

[Anonymous No.11827860]

>>11820685
>>11820655
the most retarded posts ITT

[Anonymous No.11827880]

Maths is brim-full of singularities and lives with them.
Physics has relatively few of them and tries to explain them away, since they indicate a lack of understanding.

[Anonymous No.11827887]

>>11820601
im just gonna say that it is superb when a physicists wants to get into mathematics but when a mathematician wants to get into physics its a clusterfuck of pseud shit and they are huge retards that never prove anything they theorize ever and I hope they kill themselves

[Anonymous No.11828568]

>>11827860
Physics literally is trying to approximate a system who's rules you don't know.
You're a retard

[Anonymous No.11828572]

Physics is the study of the program and math is the language the program is programmed in

[Anonymous No.11828578]

>>11820601
"Why physics is separated from mathematics?"
Because daddy never loved us.
:(

[Anonymous No.11828711]

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