Is this the true filter for differentiating meaningful skepticism?

[Anonymous No.11799584]

The Nimitz UFO shatters whoever improperly utilizes occams razor and makes them look like a fool. Pardon my pun, but I believe this is the great filter for genuine skeptics and “followers of scientism”

These things can go mach 50+ in less than a second, can make instantaneous 90 degree turns, and they have no discernible surface features: no ailerons, no exhaust, no windows, nothing.

This is the elephant in the room that no one is addressing

[Anonymous No.11799598]

It is a Navy craft.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en

[Anonymous No.11799623]

>>11799584
You trust the Navy when they show you what you want to see? What a good skeptic you are, anon.

[Anonymous No.11799624]

>>11799598
If this is true, then there is a whole new branch of physics that is unknown. Physics that would be labeled as “impossible” and “absurd” by the skeptics I’m referencing

[Anonymous No.11799629]

>>11799623
Oh, you hit it right on the nail. My main qualm with the skeptics that I have seen are their attempts to explain the phenomena, which usually entails them saying the ufos were glitches and that the radars, jet flir, and the headsets malfunctioned at the same time and did this several weeks, always having glitches that corresponded with the other equipment, which would be less likely than aliens.

[Anonymous No.11799643]

>>11799624
The only reason we don't have access to this tech is because we are on a farm, and we are the animals.
The highest levels of government have known for almost 100 years, maybe longer.

[Anonymous No.11799645]

>civilization advanced enough to master interstellar travel
>can't gather all the information it needs from orbit, has to enter the atmosphere in impractically designed, non-aerodynamic craft
>don't even have metamaterial cloaking and stealth technology to make craft undetectable
How can aliens be so advanced without understanding basic physics?

[Anonymous No.11799663]

>>11799645
we only have aerodynamic aircraft because we rely on the air to stay up and move plus our engine power is low enough to need to worry about efficiency.

[Anonymous No.11799683]

>>11799584
I've seen ufos so I don't have to argue and wonder like you guys have to

They're real. But idk who controls them or what they want.

[Anonymous No.11799721]

>>11799663
You always need to worry about efficiency, no matter how good your power supply is. Even if your movement modality ignores air and gravity, it still needs to be designed to operate within an atmosphere to achieve whatever goal your aliens are trying to achieve. If your UFO moves by teleporting, for instance, your craft would create massive sonic booms where ever it went, so you would at least need to design for that to decrease the odds of detection/damage to the craft. And there's still no explanation for why these ships aren't made of negative refractive index metamaterials and why they need to enter the Earth's atmosphere at all. The fact that these "ships" display no obvious engineering principles suggests that they aren't engineered at all.

[Anonymous No.11799759]

Prepare to have mind blown

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/30499/the-truth-is-the-military-has-been-researching-anti-gravity-for-nearly-70-years

[Anonymous No.11799765]

>>11799759
we research a lot of retarded things.its impossible with our current understanding. unless you want to cheat with free fall.

[Anonymous No.11799766]

>>11799584
>>>/x/
not science or math.

[Anonymous No.11799771]

>>11799766
It’s simultaneously a discussion on Occam’s razor and a mysterious phenomena. It’s more scientific than IQ threads

[Anonymous No.11799795]

>>11799721
Your entire argument is based on Human capability and perception. If there is an engine powerful enough that it just doesn't give a fuck about earth sea level atmosphere and even the hydroshpere it is operating on a level of efficiency well beyond our own. At Human levels we need to design things that work with the medium it will travel in/on. Our design and engineering principals are for all practical purposes only based on Earth and to work on earth. Even rovers on mars owe the basic design to earth based vehicles but you can see how those have changed based on the understanding of worlds with only 2 major differences, gravity and air pressure. What will our own vehicles look like with a vastly better understanding of physics? I doubt the earliest user of the horse drawn cart would understand a fraction of what a modern car is.

[Anonymous No.11799802]

>>11799721
Like what if they just use alcubier or what ever the fuck drives at a low gear and thus air gravity and water are nothing.

[Anonymous No.11799827]

>>11799771
Occam's razor says it's not mysterious, It's a jet and pilots like to tell stories for fun and profit.

[Anonymous No.11799835]

>>11799827
this based and truth tale
fighter pilots that tell tall tales in the bar aren't usually the most truth worthy source definitely if they can get attention. a lot of these videos either dont match the story that goes along with it and are cut out before you get a better look. intentional fabricating. one was just a bird. its insane that schizo eat this shit up.

[Anonymous No.11799844]

>>11799765
You clearly didnt read the entire article

[Anonymous No.11799848]

>>11799844
i dont need to its impossible. if its not make a prototype. you cant because its impossible. at least with our current knowledge

[Anonymous No.11799852]

>>11799848
Read the article idiot

[Anonymous No.11799861]

>>11799852
>schizo who believes money burning project to make anti gravity was fruitful
make a prototype.

[Anonymous No.11799924]

>>11799584
>Be US military intelligence
>Decide to test security of cyber systems
>Set up "advanced technology" UFO bullshit
>Sit back and back trace hacking attempts, plant some very nasty military grade viruses, compromise threats, identify potential weaknesses, beef up protocols.
Added bonus: Get to laugh at the UFO retards.

[Anonymous No.11799933]

>>11799795
You can draw a thread from the earliest human technology to modern tech. A caveman would have no idea how planes and cars work but would still be able to recognize the design similarities to spears and carts. Unless aliens invented literal magic, their designs should still bear some recognizable features even if their understanding of physics is a million years beyond our own.
>>11799802
An Alcubrierre drive would absolutely need to account for air, water, and especially gravity, and it is profoundly unlikely any mode of interstellar travel would also be ideal for short range travel within a planet's atmosphere. Even if you had a 100% efficient warp drive with infinite power, it would still be better across the board to use a simpler drive system within the Earth's atmosphere. But no matter what drive system they would use, even if it was so advanced and exotic that we would never understand it, it would still need to account for known physical principles

[Anonymous No.11799934]

Wouldn't Occam's razor suggest that it's fake or deliberately misrepresented?

[Anonymous No.11799958]

>>11799683
Same. I've seen one of those black triangles first hand. They're 100% real.

[Anonymous No.11800027]

>>11799584
It was a fucking plane.

[Anonymous No.11800049]

>>11799643
I dont understand what this picture is supposed to be encircling, i dont see anything unusual

[Anonymous No.11800160]

>>11799861
Read the article. They did. Even claimed Einstein fucked up one variable in relativity. You really look fucking stupid, when you wont take the time to read it. Theyve even released several patents.

[Anonymous No.11800249]

>>11799584
Hitchen's razor, I can't argue against something you have no proof of just as you can't argue for it

[Anonymous No.11800251]

>>11800049
>he doesn't see it
kek
>>11799643
HOLY SHIT HOW CAN THEY GET AWAY WITH IT?

[Anonymous No.11800453]

>>11800049
It's a book. Righties think women can't read so this is evidence Hillary is really a man in drag.

[Anonymous No.11801079]

>>11800049
Its a book about how to prepare public consciousness for alien contact. Its not the full img. The full img has the link to the book and the covers match.

[Anonymous No.11801249]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ning_Li_(physicist)

[Anonymous No.11801515]

>>11799584
>These things can go mach 50+ in less than a second, can make instantaneous 90 degree turns
Proof?

[Anonymous No.11801529]

>>11801079
What the image probably doesn't tell you is that the book was a gift from the man she's walking with, Laurance Rockefeller, a rich UFO nut.

[Anonymous No.11801540]

>>11800160
>They did.
How do you know?

>Even claimed Einstein fucked up one variable in relativity.
Crackpots can claim anything.

[Anonymous No.11801680]

>>11799629
>glitches and that the radars, jet flir, and the headsets malfunctioned
For over a decade on both coasts, across carrier battle groups. All those pilots are lying about their encounters, all those deck chiefs and radar operators don't know what they saw onscreen and with their own eyes.
>skeptics make the worst thinkers

[Anonymous No.11801686]

>>11799933
>would also be ideal for short range travel within a planet's atmosphere.
If your goal was to sterilize the planet with photons blue shifted to the highest energy gamma rays.

[Anonymous No.11802948]

>>11799645
There is no way far more advanced civilization would be detected by us unless they would want to be. And if they would, I'm sure it would be for a better reason than showing up as a random dot.

[Anonymous No.11802966]

>>11799645
It could be a magnetic plasma lifeform that rarely approaches planetary surface. Doesn't have to be very intelligent, maybe on the level of cats or dogs. Only recognized magnetic/energy sources as other beings.

[Anonymous No.11802976]

>>11799924
Military does test plasma shielding, holographic decoys and other tech that could give similar effects.

[Anonymous No.11802983]

>>11799958
Can you draw it in paint? The ones I saw looked "similar" to other ufos. For example the white one reminded me of Phoenix Lights. But that one was black, bigger, and had more lights. So mine was actually unique in appearance, though similar to others.

[Anonymous No.11803105]

>>11799598

Retarded, because that would imply the Navy, whose leadership on average doesn't even know high school math very well, has its own secret vaults of knowledge, secret scrolls and entire physics and sciences that are independent and unknown to the rest of the world.

I beg your pardon, but that's fucking retarded. The alien hypothesis is much more plausible than something as retarded as you're proposing.

[Anonymous No.11803121]

>>11799584
that's a pill you schizo, take it

[Anonymous No.11803132]

>>11801540
Crackpot? So the former director of Lockheed SkunkWorks is a crackpot? LOL They're literally responsible for the most sophisticated military tech we have.

“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do it.”
“We now have technology to take ET home. No it won’t take someone’s lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars.”

- Ben Rich, Fmr Director Lockheed Skunkworks

[Anonymous No.11803160]

>>11803132
>Crackpot? So the former director of Lockheed SkunkWorks is a crackpot?
If he said Einstein fucked up one variable in relativity then he is indeed a crackpot. I leave you to your proofs to show he said this.

>“We already have the means to travel among the stars...
Fake quote.

https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2014/10/ben-rich-area-51-taking-et-home.html

[Anonymous No.11803174]

>>11803160
Lmao at your source. It's been well documented from multiple people he said the second quote on his deathbed.

[Anonymous No.11803186]

>>11803174
LMAO you attack the source but fail to show how it's wrong, and fail to provide any source of your own. And then you double down on your stupidity by making the ridiculous claim that he said that on his deathbed when not even the UFO crackpots pushing this fake quote claim that.

It's really amazing how all cranks no matter how diverse their quackery is are so willing to make shit up. It really makes it easy to destroy them.

[Anonymous No.11803200]

>>11803186
Ah yes 4chan sci larper calling the fmr director of skunkworks a crackpot

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27666/what-the-hell-is-going-on-with-ufos-and-department-of-defense

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/30499/the-truth-is-the-military-has-been-researching-anti-gravity-for-nearly-70-years

[Anonymous No.11803207]

Navy Tailhook Pilot here.

Fighter bros do not make shit up. They would be ridiculed endlessly for making something like that up.

Also if you don't think the upper echelon of the Navy is full of scientists you are mistaken. Almost every Officer I know is an Engineer of some aspect.

[Anonymous No.11803208]

>>11803200
>Ah yes 4chan sci larper calling the fmr director of skunkworks a crackpot
The only one calling him a crackpot here is you, since the only one attributing these crackpot quotes to him is you.

[Anonymous No.11803210]

>>11803208
Google is your friend

[Anonymous No.11803217]

>>11803208

[Anonymous No.11803219]

>>11803200
Neither of those links even claim Ben Rich said any of the things you claim. Try again retard.

>>11803210
Google is indeed my friend, since it showed me your quotes are fake. Also, it's not my job to find sources for your claims. But do please continue to post nothing of substance and further cement your idiocy.

[Anonymous No.11803220]

>>11803208
Yeah it's all me, sure ok

[Anonymous No.11803229]

>>11803219

[Anonymous No.11803264]

>>11803217
Where does Keller "confirm" this quote? Keller includes this quote in an article he wrote but doesn't say he heard Ben Rich said this and doesn't give a source. Instead he claims to have heard Ben Rich say "we now have technology to take ET home" but this is clearly him misquoting Rich's joke "the Air Force has just given us a contract to take ET back home."

And you claimed this quote: "There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars.” was made on Rich's deathbed when your image attributes it to a UCLA speech. You UFOtards are hopelessly mired in your own mess of sloppy scholarship. It's hilarious that you don't see how pathetic you are.

[Anonymous No.11803265]

>>11803220
Yeah, it's just you here, not me. Learn how to read.

>>11803229
Doesn't matter how many shitty memes you have saved on the computer in your mother's basement, it's still a fake quote.

[Anonymous No.11803267]

>>11803264
I have provided the exact speeches they were given in, and also the name of a 3rd party who wrote in his own book he heard him say it.

You have provided a wordpress blog lol

[Anonymous No.11803275]

>>11803267
>I have provided the exact speeches they were given in
You have provided the exact speeches they were falsely quoted from, you mean. And just ignore that you first said one of those quotes came from his deathbed and then you attributed it to a UCLA speech. As I already pointed out, you crackpots always lack consistency and honesty, so no need to apologize, I expect such stupidity.

> also the name of a 3rd party who wrote in his own book he heard him say it.
Where in his book did he claim to have heard Ben Rich say "We already have the means to travel among the stars...?" He diodn't. Thanks for providing me with yet another easily falsifiable lie.

>You have provided a wordpress blog lol
And you have provided memes. Look at yourself in the mirror, hack.

[Anonymous No.11803276]

>>11803265
In May 2010, aerospace engineer Tom Keller wrote an article for the Mutual UFO Network's journal that said Ben Rich revealed that extraterrestrial UFO visitors are real and that the U.S. military has aircraft capable of travel to the stars. Keller, who worked as a computer systems analyst for NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, quoted Rich as saying the following:

"Inside the Skunk Works, we were a small, intensively cohesive group consisting of about fifty veteran engineers and designers, and a hundred or so expert machinists and shop workers. Our forte was building technologically advanced airplanes of small number and of high class for highly secret missions."
"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do it."
"We now have technology to take ET home. No it won't take someone's lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars. First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion. Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong."
"When Rich was asked how UFO propulsion worked, he said, 'Let me ask you. How does ESP work?' The questioner responded with 'All points in time and space are connected?' Rich then said, 'That's how it works!' "

https://www.columbiatribune.com/article/20140527/Opinion/305279887

Cope.

[Anonymous No.11803280]

>>11803275
How does my ass taste?
Read:
>>11803276

Those are Keller's direct quotes from what Ben Rich said.

[Anonymous No.11803281]

>>11803276
Why are you repeating what I already told you?

Keller includes this quote in an article he wrote but doesn't say he heard Ben Rich said this and doesn't give a source. Instead he claims to have heard Ben Rich say "we now have technology to take ET home" but this is clearly him misquoting Rich's joke "the Air Force has just given us a contract to take ET back home."

[Anonymous No.11803285]

>>11803281
Wrong. He provides 4 full quotes he heard from Ben Rich. I know it hurts to be so wrong, but you're clearly ignoring, and hanging on to one small line. Massive cope.

[Anonymous No.11803286]

>>11803280
>Those are Keller's direct quotes from what Ben Rich said.
Those are quotes Keller included in his article unsourced. If he actually thought he heard them then he would have given the source, as he did for the quotes he actually claimed to have heard. How many times do I have to explain this to you before it sinks into your thick crackpot head?

[Anonymous No.11803290]

>>11803286
>Keller, who worked as a computer systems analyst for NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, quoted Rich as saying the following:

[Anonymous No.11803292]

>>11803285
>Wrong. He provides 4 full quotes he heard from Ben Rich.
Yes, but he only claims to have heard one of them directly. Do you understand the difference between putting a quote in your article and claiming to have heard someone say that quote? Do the posts where you claim to quote Ben Rich mean that you are claiming you heard Ben Rich say these things? You braying donkey.

[Anonymous No.11803303]

>>11803290
I can quote Shakespeare, doesn't mean I heard Shakespeare say them. You fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.11803304]

>>11803292
So is Keller lying? Where is your proof? You're speculating. Keller worked for JPL, you're a neckbeard on sci

[Anonymous No.11803309]

>>11803303
Are you implying Shakespeare quotes are completely made up? How do you quote him, if they werent attributed to him?

[Anonymous No.11803314]

>>11803304
>So is Keller lying?
No, he's misquoting a phrase Ben Rich actually said, which you already quoted. Why do I have to keep repeating myself? Why are you asking questions I already answered from the beginning? Do you need to go back to elementary school?

>Where is your proof?
Where is your proof Ben Rich actually said it?

>Keller worked for JPL
And that proves Keller is accurately remembering Ben Rich how?

[Anonymous No.11803322]

>>11803309
No, I'm implying you're a retard who can't understand basic English and basic logic. I quote him by copying written records of what he said, which is exactly what Keller did, except for the quote he claims to have heard Ben Rich say directly, which is not the quote you claim it is.

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[Anonymous No.11803323]

>>11803314
You're only talking about the take ET home line, which was claimed a joke at the end of his slide. Stop being disingenuous. You're completely ignoring the other 95% of the quotes.

[Anonymous No.11803328]

>>11803322
This is after the take et home line:

"No it won’t take someone’s lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars. First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion."

[Anonymous No.11803329]

>>11799645
>metamaterial cloaking
this made me happy

[Anonymous No.11803342]

>>11803322
Is John Andrews also lying? Hilarious that you also ignored this

legendary Lockheed engineer and close friend of Ben Rich, the late John Andrews, confirmed a conversation with Rich in which the Skunk Works director said:

“There are two types of UFOs -- the ones we build and the ones ‘they’ build. We learned from both crash retrievals and actual ‘hand-me-downs.’ The government knew, and until 1969, took an active hand in the administration of that information. After a 1969 Nixon ‘purge,’ administration was handled by an international board of directors in the private sector.”
“Nearly all ‘biomorphic’ aerospace designs were inspired by the Roswell (New Mexico crashed) spacecraft -- from Kelly’s SR-71 Blackbird onward to today’s drones, Unmanned Combat Air Vehicles (UCAVs) and aerospace craft.”
“It was Ben Rich’s opinion that the public should not be told (about UFOs and extraterrestrials). He believed they could not handle the truth -- ever. Only in the last month of his decline did he begin to feel that the ‘international corporate board of directors’ dealing with the ‘subject’ could represent a bigger problem to the citizens’ personal freedom under the United States Constitution than the presence of off-world visitors themselves.”

https://www.columbiatribune.com/article/20140527/Opinion/305279887

[Anonymous No.11803344]

>>11803323
>You're only talking about the take ET home line, which was claimed a joke at the end of his slide.
No, I'm talking about all of your fake quotes, you god damn retard. Only the ET one was "confirmed" by Keller even though it's clearly a misquote of a joke he would often make. The others are just run of the mill fake quotes Keller got from others. This is clear since you can't provide any source actually claiming to have heard them directly.

Not only are you retarded enough to make all these mistakes, you can't even comprehend the depth of your stupidity.

[El Arcón No.11803349]

it's more like a can of soda than a tic tac.

Right before I broke up with her, Dijana started calling my dick "your tic tac." I didn't like it and I broke up with pretty soon after that.

[Anonymous No.11803356]

>>11803344
How was an entire paragraph misheard? The ET line is only the first sentence of the actual quote. Keller gave 4 quotes, the et line is the first sentence on a paragraph of the first quote. John Andrews also gave 4 quotes.

It's the word of two highly respected, legendary engineers vs you, a sci neckbeard's speculation

[Anonymous No.11803359]

>>11803328
Just read the damn article already: http://www.astronomyufo.com/UFO/SUNlite5_6.pdf

Starts on page 17

[Anonymous No.11803361]

>Large shiny white object not looking blue along the bottom from the surrounding water reflecting blue light back
OP has never seen a boat, confirmed.

[Anonymous No.11803362]

>>11803344
This is the full, take et home line. Notice it's only the first sentence you're disputing.

>"We now have technology to take ET home. No it won't take someone's lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars. First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion. Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong"

[Anonymous No.11803372]

New to /sci/. Is this really an average thread here? Did /pol/ totally fuck up this board too?

[Anonymous No.11803375]

>>11803342
>Is John Andrews also lying?
Why would I trust your source saying a blog said that John Andrews said that Ben Rich said something when it just presented a bunch of other fake quotes before that? First prove John Andrews said Ben Rich said this and then we can see whether he's lying.

[Anonymous No.11803382]

>>11803375
You just admitted that Keller gave the quotes, and that he misheard him, or didnt hear directly. Now you're saying that Keller didnt say them at all? You're really grasping at straws here. I've provided articles from newspapers, and verified 3rd party sources, you've provided literally nothing but speculation.

[Anonymous No.11803395]

>>11803375
Where is your source that Keller is misquoting him? The quotes are in Kellers own words. He wrote the mufon piece. How do you know he is wrong? You're literally speculating, and then when provided with actual sources and facts, you degrade into personal insults. You have no argument.

[Anonymous No.11803396]

>>11803356
>How was an entire paragraph misheard?
Where did I say an entire paragraph was misheard? I said Keller misquoted Ben Rich.

>Keller gave 4 quotes, the et line is the first sentence on a paragraph of the first quote.
According to my source they are not part of the same quote. Show how Tom Keller originally wrote it.

>John Andrews also gave 4 quotes.
Show John Andrews saying this.

>It's the word of two highly respected, legendary engineers vs you, a sci neckbeard's speculation
Again, their qualifications are irrelevant to whether they actually said this or whether they remembered what Ben Rich said. Nice try, disingenuous hack.

[Anonymous No.11803400]

>>11803396
>Trust me, my dad works for Nintendo

[Anonymous No.11803404]

>>11803361
THIS!!! Finally. I was trying to figure out what was bugging me about this image. It's not reflecting any color from the water at all.

[Anonymous No.11803407]

>>11803105
>implying the generals and admirals are designing sweet aircrafts and not DARPA
kys

[Anonymous No.11803408]

>>11803362
>This is the full, take et home line.
Sure it is, just like it was given on his deathbed. Or wait, was it a UCLA speech? Or maybe his deathbed was at UCLA and all the alumni wanted to see whether he would get beamed up by the greys? Or maybe you're full of shit and actually have to provide direct evidence of all these quotes and claims rather than demanding I believe you.

[Anonymous No.11803411]

>>11803372
It's usually this or penises. Mostly penises tho

[Anonymous No.11803413]

>>11803382
>You just admitted that Keller gave the quotes
I said from the start that Keller gave the quotes. Try again, this time without, being a disingenuous hack. And I'm still waiting for you to show John Andrews saying anything.

[Anonymous No.11803414]

>>11803408
Proving my point. Grasping on to one line, the first sentence of an entire paragraph, yet ignoring the other 95% of it.

[Anonymous No.11803419]

>>11803372
No. I just know how to make the scientism-tards squeal and seethe. You’re welcomed to discuss about this topic and share your thoughts

[Anonymous No.11803420]

>>11803395
>Where is your source that Keller is misquoting him?
I already gave it to you. You would know this if you could read. Too bad.

[Anonymous No.11803423]

>>11803411
I can handle penises, that kind of thing is to be expected, but it didn't occur to me this was prevalent, too. I guess it should've.

>>11803419
Not taking your bait. Also, what's your stance on Pizzagate and any possible relation to this?

[Anonymous No.11803426]

>>11803423
Pizzagate is an obvious deflection of Epstein and his jewy pedo ring

[Anonymous No.11803427]

>>11803413
It boils down to your opinion that Keller is misquoting him, based on a joke he tells at the end of his slide. He provided 4 in- depth quotes. What is your basis for dismissing these? Is keller lying about the other 95% of the quotes? Where is the proof? It's a fact that Keller said these quotes and attributed them to Ben Rich. The only thing you have is speculation.

[Anonymous No.11803428]

>>11803414
I haven't ignored it, I asked you to provide proof Kelly said it and Ben Rich said it. You're complaining about your own failure to provide anything to discuss.

[Anonymous No.11803433]

>>11803427
>It boils down to your opinion that Keller is misquoting him, based on a joke he tells at the end of his slide.
Actually it boils down to your utter failure to show Kelly said what you claim he said and that Rich said what you claim he said. No matter how much you try to deflect, the burden of proof is on you.

>He provided 4 in- depth quotes. What is your basis for dismissing these?
I already told you, they're unsourced. The more you make me repeat myself the more illiterate you look.

[Anonymous No.11803436]

>>11803413
You dont want to admit it, but when we started this back and forth, you probably were surprised to see someone like Keller attribute these quotes to Ben Rich. You went from calling them completely made up to now surrendering that they're misquotes, etc. You can admit it, you're slightly shocked at this. It's probably a bit of a red pill as well.

[Anonymous No.11803438]

>>11803423
pizzagate as the media idea that there a basement with pedophiles ain't shit, pizzagate as the idea there's an international cabal of satanic pedophiles who meet at comet pizza every now n then is definitely real.
Probably doesn't tie to this anymore than military industrial complex wars are how they siphon taxpayer money.

[Anonymous No.11803440]

>>11803426
>>11803438
kek

I don't even know/care which of you is OP but both of those unintentionally hilarious statements + "scientism" + your familiar style of rhetoric are all anyone needs to know about you to put you in a box. Forgive anyone for judging you a priori, because you're just wearing it on your sleeve in neon.

[Anonymous No.11803443]

>>11803436
>You dont want to admit it, but when we started this back and forth, you probably were surprised to see someone like Keller attribute these quotes to Ben Rich
Not at all, I've already seen these fake quotes several times and had already researched them. I already know that most of them have no source, and the ones that do are easily explainable as a misremembered joke/flippant responses.

> You went from calling them completely made up to now surrendering that they're misquotes, etc.
Wrong, stop trying to conflate the two and put words in my mouth. Anyone can read what I said.

[Anonymous No.11803447]

>>11803443
No. You called them unsourced. The source is Keller. He's directly attributing them to Ben Rich. How are they unsourced? You're basically saying Keller is wrong, with nothing but your own speculation.

[Anonymous No.11803463]

>>11803447
No, I said the quotes Keller made that he didn't claim to have hear Ben Rich said are unsourced. Learn how to read.

>The source is Keller.
It's not, we've already been over this. If Keller was the source he would have told us he was the source as he did for the ET quote.

>How are they unsourced?
Because: They Don't Have a Source.

>You're basically saying Keller is wrong, with nothing but your own speculation.
Yes, I'm saying Keller is wrong, because he wrote a bunch of quotes without even knowing where they came from.

[Anonymous No.11803467]

>>11803463
Where is your proof that Keller is wrong? How do you know he doesnt know where they came from? This is speculation from you.

[Anonymous No.11803470]

>>11803463
Provide the source that says Keller doesnt know where those quotes came from. You can't.

[Anonymous No.11803474]

>>11803467
>Where is your proof that Keller is wrong?
Where is your proof that Keller is right? We can play this game all day.

>How do you know he doesnt know where they came from?
Because he doesn't source them.

[Anonymous No.11803475]

>>11803470
>Provide the source that says Keller doesnt know where those quotes came from.
That source is Keller, since he doesn't source them.

[Anonymous No.11803478]

>>11803474
Easy. I provided Keller's exact words. He attributes the quotes to Ben Rich.

Now you do the same, provide Keller saying he doesnt know where the quotes came from. You can't.

[Anonymous No.11803489]

>>11803478
>Easy. I provided Keller's exact words.
Well no, you provided quotes that are not Keller's words. Is Keller quoting himself? And that's not proof Keller is correct anyway. Otherwise everything anyone said would be correct.

>He attributes the quotes to Ben Rich.
And where is the proof his attribution is correct?

>Now you do the same, provide Keller saying he doesnt know where the quotes came from.
I did, his failure to source the quotes shows this.

[Anonymous No.11803503]

>>11803489
>Keller, who worked as a computer systems analyst for NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, quoted Rich as saying the following:

For you to question Keller directly, it boils down to your speculation, vs his exact words, that he attributes to Ben Rich. You're speculating that he doesnt know where the quote comes from. Nowhere does it say that. You're making an assumption, because your argument has completely broken down.

[Anonymous No.11803508]

>>11799645
They want to be seen

[Anonymous No.11803520]

>>11803503
>For you to question Keller directly, it boils down to your speculation, vs his exact words, that he attributes to Ben Rich.
No, it boils down to how he failed to provide sources for a bunch of quotes. It has nothing to do with his credentials or his words being "exact," you drooling mongoloid.

[Anonymous No.11803679]

>>11799584
Take your antipsychotics!!! Every day!!!

[Anonymous No.11803713]

The null hypothesis is that OP is a faggot.

[Anonymous No.11803749]

>>11799645
The point is to drag race stupid ape jets and laugh at them.

[Anonymous No.11805886]

>>11802983
Could the one on the right be this?
>Cedarville, CA, 1982 or so

[Anonymous No.11806397]

>>11805886
Looks too lumpy.

[Anonymous No.11806456]

>>11806397
Cedarville is a weird one. Several dozen witnesses, long observation time. Victor just hovered above a field for a while, smoking. Disappears into the sky after 20 minutes or so.
If you saw a smooth V, was it black?

[Anonymous No.11807128]

>>11806456
It was white

[Anonymous No.11808102]

>>11803280
>unsourced quotes
>T-they’re r-real!
Goddamn ufo nuts haha kill yourselves

[Anonymous No.11808122]

>>11803372
We get infested with ufo mouth breathers from time to time. It’s like arguing with a religion, which is what their worldview is only they’re too stupid to realize it.

[Anonymous No.11808252]

>>11803520
The source for the quotes IS Ben Rich and the source for him saying these quotes are the people who worked alongside him. There are more than one persons who attest that Rich did make these statements, why should we not believe what the people who worked with Rich themselves say? What other source do you want?

[Anonymous No.11808285]

>>11803372
Look at the post count to unique IPs. These threads are usually one forum sliding samefag who thinks he le ebin troll.

[Anonymous No.11808484]

>>11799584
P A R A L L A X

[Anonymous No.11808503]

>>11803342
>the SR-71 is "biomorphic"
Unironically schizo-tier.

[Anonymous No.11808541]

>>11799645
They just dont gve a fuck what you know, its like a vehicle in a safari tour... they don't give a fuck about the animals...

[Anonymous No.11808563]

>>11799933
literally false, there is a famous documentary from the 60's where an expedition of white people found some primitive tribe who has nver seen a white man in their life, they were still using spears and believed he was a ghost.

When the white guy prepared rice for them, and handed their leader a spoon... the guy didnt have a clue of what to do with it... We only have about 10K years of technological development lead on him - imagine what a million years would look like, imagine a billion years.

[Anonymous No.11808579]

>>11808563
>When the white guy prepared rice for them, and handed their leader a spoon... the guy didnt have a clue of what to do with it..
That probably says more about what malnutrition does to your IQ than anything else. It doesn't take much imagination to look at a novel object, such as a spoon when you've never seen a spoon, and imagine novel ways you could use it to manipulate the environment, such as scooping things with it.

[Anonymous No.11808607]

>>11808252
>The source for the quotes IS Ben Rich and the source for him saying these quotes are the people who worked alongside him.
And who is that? Show them quoting him. You're literally lying at this point. You're a pathetic hack.

>There are more than one persons who attest that Rich did make these statements
Then post them doing so. You won't because they don't exist.

[Anonymous No.11808628]

>>11808579
this was all filmed on video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a7IaS3ml4g

its common to think things are easy when you are spoon fed what humanity has collectively learned through 200k years of development. Hell, i can bet you some money you can not open your laptop right now, point to any microchip inside of it, and tell me how it contributes to outputting the image to your screen - that should be easy no?

[Anonymous No.11808633]

>>11808579
as you see in the video, fuckers looked pretty healthy

[Anonymous No.11808636]

>>11808628
Nothing in this video refutes what I said; that their inability to find a practical use for spoons suggest more about how their primitive tribal lifestyle impacted their intellectual development than it does about anything universal to humans.

[Anonymous No.11808647]

>>11808607
>In May 2010, aerospace engineer Tom Keller wrote an article for the Mutual UFO Network's journal that said Ben Rich revealed that extraterrestrial UFO visitors are real and that the U.S. military has aircraft capable of travel to the stars. Keller, who worked as a computer systems analyst for NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, quoted Rich as saying the following:

>"Inside the Skunk Works, we were a small, intensively cohesive group consisting of about fifty veteran engineers and designers, and a hundred or so expert machinists and shop workers. Our forte was building technologically advanced airplanes of small number and of high class for highly secret missions."
>"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do it."
>"We now have technology to take ET home. No it won't take someone's lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars. First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion. >Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong."
>"When Rich was asked how UFO propulsion worked, he said, 'Let me ask you. How does ESP work?' The questioner responded with 'All points in time and space are connected?' Rich then said, 'That's how it works!' "

>https://www.columbiatribune.com/article/20140527/Opinion/305279887

Pathetic retard

[Anonymous No.11808660]

>>11808636
can you even comprehend how primitive we still are? walking down the street- be honest- how many people have higher IQ than this primitive dude?

The average person has less skills than this jungle nigger who can hunt, build shelters, make a fire ...etc what can the average person do? like really- other than going into a store after stacking shelves at wallmart for 8 hours and buying 10 6 packs and a 3 month supply of twinkies?

[Anonymous No.11809030]

>>11808647
We've already been over this, retard. Tom Keller did not claim to be the source of all of those quotes. Give the source or fuck off.

[Anonymous No.11809063]

>>11799721
>You always need to worry about efficiency

Are you driving the most fuel efficient car and driving in the most fuel efficient manner?

[Anonymous No.11809101]

UFO's aren't real. whatever your cousin saw in the sky was probably a drone or a plane or a satellite. the navy video is an optical illusion

[Anonymous No.11809192]

>>11808647
>>11808252
A good scientific inquiry into the unknown needs the the experiment to be reproducible and reproducible in different physical areas. The presence of one source does not deem the said theory to be worthy of recognition. In in fact, it needs to be scrutinized with due diligence. Mere scrutiny alone cannot lead to the acceptance of the very predictions that such theories hold and thus cannot be incorporated into history books nor shared with the general scientific community. A good theory should have multiple, solid proofs and citations in very forms as well. A proof, consistent with mathematics can help overcome the challenge that my previous statement posits. Only then can a scientific theory deem acceptable and thus correct. Although a theory may not necessarily hold true in the real world.

What you, my fellow imbecile friend, has set before us is mere fiction, as can be evident by no real world citations from a plethora of sources. Thus, I can convincingly say, without flinching, that your said statements are a quackery and at it's very core, offensive to science.

[Anonymous No.11809206]

>>11799584
A few things:

1) stop trying to make “scientism” a thing. The word you’re looking for is denialism. Saying “scientism” makes you look like a new age crackpot.

2) improper use of Occam’s razor is a common pitfall, but it may not apply in this case. There are still many other possible explanations (see Mick West’s video on this)

3) all of the descriptors you put in your second paragraph are not established facts, they’re accounts from a few pilots that cannot be unambiguously confirmed. They absolutely could be true, but if you want to go all gung-ho with scientific rigor, don’t treat eyewitness descriptions as established facts.

[Anonymous No.11809214]

>NOOOO POST DA SOURCE DUH SOOOUURCE NOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.11809220]

>>11799584
>believes that FLIR is perfect

[Anonymous No.11809322]

>>11799584
Is that the legit official pic or just a shop?

[Anonymous No.11809336]

>>11799598

>muh humanity has had this tech since at least the 40s

[Anonymous No.11809355]

>>11799643
What book is it?

>>11799645
Tic-tacs or spheres are some of the most aerodynamic objects. Why do you think waterdrops are round?

[Anonymous No.11809479]

>>11801079
Hillary did run on the campaign of making knowledge of UFOs public knowledge.
Could be why they tanked her and we got stuck with Trump instead.