Mars

[Anonymous No.11794226]

What is the purpose of sending astronauts to Mars?

Do people want to move there, or what's the idea here?

[Anonymous No.11794250]

>>11794226
It's pointless. Mars is extremely active, electrically, with extreme sandstorms and shit. Any team humans going there, even if they manage to quickly set up a base, will die.

> The Lightning Scarred Planet Mars (Full Documentary)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRV1e5_tB6Y

> Mars playlist
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwOAYhBuU3UcdeSyZBu1eb7dDEEB6GnY0

[Anonymous No.11794260]

>>11794226

[Anonymous No.11794280]

>>11794250
You're not wrong. It's going to be very, very difficult to establish a permanent settlement on Mars, and actual colonization would be orders of magnitude harder than that. It still seems worth to me. For the long term survival of the human race, having two planets with people seems like an excellent bet hedge. We would be able to survive a complete global catastrophe.

[Anonymous No.11794291]

>>11794226
So the rich can escape the poors by leaving Earth.

Alternatively so the rich can send all the poors off planet and keep Earth for themselves.

[Anonymous No.11794299]

>>11794280
he is wrong and part of electric universe cult

[Anonymous No.11794303]

>>11794226
Establish a new offshoot of human civilization founded by the intellectual elite of humanity and pprotected from the unwashed masses by space itself.

[Anonymous No.11794320]

>>11794303
>Establish a new offshoot of human civilization
how
Having a decent standard of living on Earth is hard enough. Economically, how is that going to be possible in a place like Mars? Are you all crazy?

[Anonymous No.11794337]

>>11794250
If only the scientific community was as intelligent as you anon. Then we wouldn't be wasting all this time and money.

[Anonymous No.11794359]

>>11794250
>electronically-dependent rovers survive for decades on the surface of Mars
>humans would somehow die

[Anonymous No.11794380]

>>11794226
It's empty irradiated wasteland. Not happening. Once we take down the capitalist ruling class we'll set the right priorities.

[Anonymous No.11794395]

>>11794359
A small group of humans might survive, but colonizing Mars in a completely Earth independent manner is impossible with our current technological development.

That's why I ask what's the point of going there. You put a human on Mars: yes that's cool, but I don't see how that would change anything about our lives. People are not going to go live there, and if they did, their life would suck.

[Anonymous No.11794403]

>>11794226
I'd move there today if I could.

[Anonymous No.11794408]

>>11794403
No you wouldn't and if you did you'd an hero pretty quickly because life there would be much worse than on earth.

[Anonymous No.11794435]

>>11794408
>much worse than on Earth
>im-fucking-plying

[Anonymous No.11794437]

Create a base to mine the asteroid belt with in the future.

[Anonymous No.11794439]

>>11794408
>life there would be much worse than on earth
Making survival a task that requires active attention makes you less likely to kill yourself. There’s a reason depression rates are highest in developed, rich societies.

[Anonymous No.11794489]

>>11794226
Best planets to colonize:

-Mercury, the overlooked mining gem of the Solar System

One of the richest planets in terms of mining
One of the richest soils on the solar system for farming
Highest solar energy output of the entire S.Sytem
Comfy -70° C on areas of the North Pole
Has a weak magnetic shield
Gravity same as Mars
Self-sufficient, underground Mercurian colonies powered by solar energy and feeding themselves with hydroponic farming are completely viable with current technology
Travel to and from Mercury could use Venus' gravity as a slightshot, greatly reducing the time needed
Best place to experiment with Solar Sails

- Venus, the Big Prize

Most Earth-like planet in the Solar System, if we could somehow remove the CO2 from its atmosphere
Almost the same gravity as Earth
Ground level is scorching hot but at the upper levels of the atmosphere the temperature is a comfy 21° C
Same magnetic shield strenght as Earth, no shielding from cosmic radiation needed
Floating colonies on the upper level of Venus are 100% doable with current technology, people living on them could walk outside with only respirators and a protective raincoat to protect them from the acid rain, utopian conditions compared to the rest of the Solar System
Long term, Venus is BY FAR, the best candidate for terraforming

Worst planet to colonize:
- Mars, the Overhyped Shithole

No magnetic shield whatsoever, people living on Mars would need to live underground in bunkers specially shielded from cosmic radiation
But unlike Mercury, Mars has very little in the way of mining resources and its soil is extremely poor for farming
Further away from the Sun = Weak solar intensity = Less energy and poor farming
Weak magnetic shield also means it's incredibly difficult to terraform, more so than Venus, because it will slowly lose any atmosphere you try to introduce to it

tl;dr - Mercury should be colonized to be used as a stepping stone to colonize Venus. Mars is overhyped.

[Anonymous No.11794521]

>>11794226
To become elon's mining slaves for the chinese technological revolution.

[Anonymous No.11794532]

>>11794359
>a machine made of metal and plastics is the same as a biological lifeform and have the same requirements/needs, and react the same way to static electric fields

[Anonymous No.11794540]

>>11794532
>a machine made of metal and plastics that depends on electricity to function is somehow more resilient to abnormal electrical environments than a human being

[Anonymous No.11794542]

>>11794260
This. I want to go to mars to dust off Opportunity.

[Anonymous No.11794555]

>>11794489
>Gravity same as Mars
>Self-sufficient, underground Mercurian colonies powered by solar energy and feeding themselves with hydroponic farming are completely viable with current technology
Same colonies would work on mars as well then.
Energy alone is not a sufficient incentive. It's not always available and it's way too high for solar panels, they would just melt. Nuclear has already solved the problem and you can have it anywhere.

[Anonymous No.11794562]

>>11794226
If we can’t even put a damn Moon base, how tf would you make a Mars base?

>>11794303
This.

[Anonymous No.11794572]

>>11794291
I like the idea of moving humans off earth into space colonies and turning the planet into a giant nature reserve. This would require mining asteroids to make it feasible and significantly reducing the population.

[Anonymous No.11794573]

>>11794555
>Same colonies would work on mars as well then.
Yeah but there is nothing to mine on Mars and the soil is too poor for farming. Not to mention issues brought up by this anon >>11794250, Mars is too unstable.

Mercury is stable and the payoff from mining, farming and energy is much higher.

>they would just melt.
Not really. People smarter than you or me have done the math.

https://einstein-schrodinger.com/mercury_colony.html

[Anonymous No.11794576]

>>11794562
we can, industry's just been traumatized by the vacuum of the Space Shuttle era. See the differences between SLS and spacex's vessels. The only thing we truly lack, is public interest and funding.

[Anonymous No.11794581]

>>11794572
Capitalism collapses if the population doesn’t keep increasing so good luck with that

[Anonymous No.11794604]

>>11794581
If space-based resources become cheap and accessible, economic growth can be maintained. That’s kind of the whole driver behind Bezos and Bruno’s desires for a space-based resource extraction economy.

[Anonymous No.11795305]

>>11794226
To plant a colored piece of fabric that represents a group of apes before the other group does.

[Anonymous No.11795317]

>>11795305
Posts like yours result from trying to turn materialism into metaphysics.
Obviously flags are more than pieces of fabric.
You're not getting at their true nature by referring to them as pieces of fabric.
Obviously Westerners and Americans are different to what "groups of apes" would imply.
Referring to a human being as the second coming of Christ is as inaccurate as referring to them as a lump of meat.
A mountain is a mountain.

[Anonymous No.11795362]

>>11795317

I was about to say the same thing, apes would wish they could do what humans do... shit, apes can't even "wish" because their brains can't understand that concept (yeah I know some research from the university of fuckadia says apes can understand some concepts like the concept of shitposting in a basket weaving forum, it still doesn't put them on the same level as humans)
just the very concept of being able to heat metals to insanely high temperatures, melt them and make tools is something amazing in itself.
ANd if we have to have mars politics, so be it, but humans need to get out of this planet one way or another.

[Anonymous No.11795400]

>>11795317
Technology is older than hominids, and when given to them, they will use it for what they have been doing for thousands of years. Humans can't escape this primitive behavior unless they modify their own bodies.

[Anonymous No.11795411]

>>11795362
>humans need to get out of this planet
A race this primitive that predates on their own is nothing more than animals. Fleeing to another planet like locusts just to repeat the same story doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous No.11795434]

>>11795411
Humanity will conquer the stars with or without your armchair philosophizing anon

[Anonymous No.11795444]

>>11795411

And your attitude won't even get us that far. Who cares what happens in mars? It's not like there's anything there anyway. There's not space indians that will be exterminated. And we're going to die here anyway.
Your post reveals you're deppressed as fuck. I know humanity as a collective is a piece of shit, but I am a human, not Mother Nature. And you aren't a superior alien that solved all those problems 4000 years ago and is visiting our planet, you're another nigger like us trying to make shit work. If some retards just can't keep their feet off the accelerator, doesn't mean everyone else should be denied having a car. We are going to die as a species if we don't get off this planet one way or another, as entropy will rise no matter what we do. We'll begin by reducing our population willingly or forcefully but at some point we WILL dissappear, the only difference is that with our current pattern it will take like hundreds of years and with "renewable" means it will take millions.

[Anonymous No.11795448]

>>11795434
spoken like a true chad engineer

[Anonymous No.11795464]

>>11795400
Human beings act in markedly dissimilar ways from gorillas. Unless our commonality with hominids is relevant in a context, why even bring it up?
These are attempts to take (entry level) schemas from biology to talk smack about humanity.

>>11795411
>nothing more than animals
I like animals, and humans are markedly different from other animals. I can see the utility in looking at humans as animals in certain contexts, but I'm not going to attempt to essentialise that particular view.
It's as misguided as referring to humans as "just" a tube running from the mouth to the anus.
Humans aren't only our digestive system and we're not only our minds either.
Both are inaccurate reductions that generally obscure how people are rather than clarifying.
If you don't like humans, you're welcome to leave.
Try refusing speech, not following traffic lights (or the rest of our complex, artificial symbol systems) and not using your opposable thumb and then if your life doesn't change maybe I'll believe that humans are "just" animals.
Try abandoning your home and I'll believe humans are analogous to locusts.
Again, not always bad parallels, but I get the sense that you're trying too hard to be an edgy misanthropist.

>>11795444
It's just cool. Those are perfectly good and existential reasons. For me, it's cool. I just want to make rocketerinos and examine the fossil record of Mars.

[Anonymous No.11795466]

>>11794489
I like this guy

[Anonymous No.11795486]

>>11794489

>Most Earth-like planet in the Solar System, if we could somehow remove the CO2 from its atmosphere
well, we could literally plant trees! Only problem would be needing the opposite of hothouses, more like coldhouses, heh.
>Ground level is scorching hot but at the upper levels of the atmosphere the temperature is a comfy 21° C
oh baby
Imagine establishing a huge ass chad pyramid to reach the upper levels so that people can live on top
yeah I know it sounds stupid but we could really use the temperature

[Anonymous No.11795494]

>>11795448
The mere use of the word "conquer" says everything.

[Anonymous No.11795508]

>>11795444
>at some point we WILL dissappear
Don't worry, the space niggers have specimens to repopulate if needed/planned.
This already happened before, this is like the 5th version of humanity.
Whether the previous versions perished accidentally or deliberately is up to debate.

[Anonymous No.11795515]

>>11794489
On one level, yes.
On the other, you misunderstand the soul.
Mars is attractive because it's further out.

[Anonymous No.11795525]

>>11795464
>act in markedly dissimilar ways from gorillas.
Actually gorillas are more peaceful. Humans are a mix of chimp and pig.
But the fact is,
you give a stick to a chimp and he will rush to smash it onto a competitor's head.
you give a human technology X and he will use it in the same way.

[Anonymous No.11795529]

>>11794576
funding and public interest can be solved simultaneously by creating ways for people to invest in space development. Getting them to realize that they spend more money on cellphones in one year than the Apollo program spent in a decade is the real trick.

[Anonymous No.11795538]

test

[Anonymous No.11795543]

>>11794576
The Space Shuttle was all about keeping NASA alive. It lost all purpose once the NRO decided to launch their shit on normal rockets.
The SLS mission is to keep catering money to the Shuttle mafia.

[Anonymous No.11795544]

>>11795525

Some humans are like that, if we all were like that we would have been exterminated 20 times by now. In fact, 10 of those times in the last century alone.

[Anonymous No.11795546]

>>11795317
based

[Anonymous No.11795552]

>>11794489
If you want Mercury colonisation, Mars is the best first step because it will inspire people.
Also this was never narrowly about making humans interplanetary. It's about feeling hemmed in by our solar system and wanting to gtfo of it. It's about space.
It's about Gothic cathedrals turning to the shape of rocketerinos and their exhaust. It's about the sweep of organ pipes become the exhaust trails of rockets.

>>11795486
There might be bacteria that can consoom sulfuric acid and CO2.
Does mercury/venus anon have ideas/knowledge about how to terraform the place?

>>11795525
t. Doesn't know about chimps, ignores the non-martial aspects of people, assumes that war is always wrong.
I don't know of cases where chimps use sticks to fight chimps.
Afaik, they mainly use sticks to hunt bushbabies (a small mammal that hides in tree hollows), fish termites out of termite nests, kill other types of le monke, and fish honey out of stolen beehives. Although admittedly this is a little out of my wheelhouse.

>you give a human technology X and he will use it in the same way.
Amongst other things. So reducing it to "just war bro" is inaccurate.
Also imagine being such a wuss about war. Life has some relatively zero-sum elements to it that necessitate conflict, conflict can be spiritually important and fulfilling - a calling. Some conflict is to be avoided, some to be run at directly. Being anti-war or using war to condemn humans is kinda inane.
The amount of alienation to see no point in war is insane to me.

[Anonymous No.11795558]

>>11795546
He is just desperate to feel special.

Notice that I didn't say we are 100% apes, but unfortunately that part of us is the strongest and will manifest most of the time.

[Anonymous No.11795559]

>>11794489
terraforming at all is a meme and the ease of it for a given planet shouldn't be considered as a positive or negative because it's all just varying levels of extremely expensive and impractical.

[Anonymous No.11795563]

>>11795544
>Some humans are like that
The problem is that they are the most dominant, and the others will act submissive to them and accept their rule, so for all intents and purposes these violent apes are in charge.

[Anonymous No.11795568]

>>11795558
>he said, typing on the internet using sophisticated language in the safety provided by his community and the security services, eating farmed food and drinking artificially cleaned water

Why don't you try offering some gratitude rather than simply trying to shit talk people.

I'm not overexaggerating the specialness of people. People are special.

[Anonymous No.11795570]

>>11795552
Mercury can't and shouldn't be terraformed, it's better to just dismantle the entire planet for materials for orbtial habitats.

Venus is relatively easy to terraform, just block sunlight for a while, let the atmosphere freeze and then bury it, ship it out or what ever. Just huge effort.

[Anonymous No.11795576]

>>11795552
>So reducing it to "just war bro" is inaccurate.
But eventually some war will be fought with weapons advanced enough to return civilization to a previous primitive stage. At that point, cavemen might not be able to restore civilization because the resources to support it might not exist.

[Anonymous No.11795580]

>>11795466
Me too!

[Anonymous No.11795582]

>>11795568
>People are special
Yes
[beep boop beep....]

[Anonymous No.11795590]

>>11794320
Only 120 plus iqs allowed

[Anonymous No.11795606]

>>11795590
i see you didn't provide an answer, imbecile

[Anonymous No.11795607]

>>11794320
It doesn't make sense to build such complex systems to ferry animals that need to hydrate, breath, ingest other animal cells, defecate and urinate.
It is better to just build ourselves proper bodies for space travel.
Until that point, living in Mars is a meme.

[Anonymous No.11795614]

>>11794359

well, yes, exactly, you're pointing out the exact problem. You're implying humans should be fine next to a reactor because the fuel rods and the core structure resists the radiation. You don't solve anything for humans if you shield a robot from any radiation, you're just making a great robot.

[Anonymous No.11795624]

>>11795570
>just block sunlight for a while
Could people just spread a huge, thin, foil sheet in front of it? It wouldn't even need to be all at once. Just a continuous reduction in the light energy arriving by adding more until a favourable new equilibrium was reached. We could start at the centre of the equator and work out.

[Anonymous No.11795794]

>>11794576
there needs to be a serious discussion on just how bad every oldspace website is at getting people interested in space.

[img giant picture of space]
[give us money]
[here are some forum posts from 2010]

[Anonymous No.11796379]

>>11794226
Prison Planet for people who can't stay out of trouble. Devila's Island / New French Guiana Penal System (Papillon).

[Anonymous No.11796389]

in order to erect the first Martian McDonald's

[Anonymous No.11796403]

>>11794250
Retard.
There isn’t constant thunder strikes on Mars even if there was it’d would be super easy to solve. Lighting poles. God eu is brain rot.
>>11794226
Colonizing Mars won’t do anything for us directly. It will put a lot money in technology which will benefit us in many ways. Look what happened in Apollo. Moon colony has a lot more potential then mars colony for economic gain although. Lots of good easy to reach shit on the moon plus you can land asteroids on the moon pretty easily making it a good asteroid mining hub.

[Anonymous No.11796589]

>>11794395
You gotta start somewhere you dumb fag

>exploring the ocean is cool but nobody is going to live there xD

[Anonymous No.11796608]

Symbolism mostly. Even though Venus is closer, we can actually land human beings on the surface of Mars.

[Anonymous No.11796642]

>>11795607
>It is better to just build ourselves proper bodies for space travel.

I'd love to have my consciousness uploaded into a von Neumann probe after my body dies, so I could explore the universe forever. Like that book 'Bobiverse'.
But as we currently stand, that's not possible and I think most humans genuinely want to stay human.

[Anonymous No.11796777]

>>11796389
Could we rename Mars "Musk".
Or call it "Earth 2".
Or just rename the planet "420 reddit".

[Anonymous No.11796780]

>>11796777
OH FUCK I didn't mean to get trips on this. I take it back.

[Anonymous No.11796788]

>>11796403
People here don't understand that no one knows what exploring Mars means. But it's provocative. It gets the people going.

[Anonymous No.11796789]

>>11795582
Yes, you alienated wretch.

[Anonymous No.11796815]

>>11794489
(You) for goodpost.

>>11796777
>>11796780
What a waste.

[Anonymous No.11796824]

>>11794226
>What is the purpose of sending astronauts to Mars?

Scientific exploration and eventual colonization.

> Do people want to move there

Many do, yes. I’d like to.

[Anonymous No.11796827]

>>11794320
> Having a decent standard of living on Earth is hard enough

No? Middle-income people in the US live like kings once did.

[Anonymous No.11796828]

>>11795624
Well that's more or less exactly how it would be done, though in front would probably be in lagrange point. Basically just huge number of micro satellites with massive foil reflectors. You obviously need some critical amount to start the process but once the atmosphere starts freezing it's basically on autopilot and having more will just speed it up a bit.
In fact partial cover is somewhat desirable because you could for instance leave the equator with more sunlight allowing the material to accumulate on the poles instead of uniformly.

[Anonymous No.11796830]

>>11794380
Alternatives to capitalism have never worked and never will. FYI

[Anonymous No.11796835]

>>11794408
People live in submarines for months. It’d be more than tolerable for people who are objectively superior to soulless degenerates like yourself.

[Anonymous No.11796838]

>>11794572
>This would require mining asteroids to make it feasible and significantly reducing the population.

Nope. Literal trillions can live in rotating habitats.

[Anonymous No.11796839]

>>11794573
>Yeah but there is nothing to mine on Mars

Except all the metals.
?

[Anonymous No.11796853]

>>11796835
But how could I get funkopops?
Would I be able to get lootcrates?

[Anonymous No.11796866]

>>11796853
People who lust excessively for consumer doodads obviously aren’t going. I would expect tablets to be brought so people can read books and watch movies and stuff on them, though. Some recreation and relaxation is necessary and a tablet is a very mass-effective way to bring a lot of it.

[Anonymous No.11797155]

>>11795559
dumb

[Anonymous No.11797172]

>>11794489
based, we should aim for Venus immediately after Mars..

[Anonymous No.11797175]

>>11794489
>if we could somehow remove the CO2 from its atmosphere

not impossible with self sustaining catalysis

[Anonymous No.11797399]

>>11796830
The little bit of 3rd position worked unless you count losing a war as not working. Also China.

[Anonymous No.11797419]

>>11795568
This. Nihilists are pathetic.

[Anonymous No.11797933]

>>11797419
active or positive nihilists are pretty based though. more than standard depressed and immoral nihilists.

[Anonymous No.11798808]

>>11794226
Because we should reclaim our ancestral land

[Anonymous No.11799192]

>ywn be a /pol/ lava tube dweller shitposter
First tweet from Mars: "NIGGER"