/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11764356]

Question: did pursuing a STEM career make you more right wing?
If yes, mainly for what reason?

[Anonymous No.11764362]

>>11764356
Take this to >>>/pol/. That said, at the very cream of the crop, I noticed a divergence: either hardcore Communists, or hardcore Reactionaries.

[Anonymous No.11764388]

>>11764356
Not really.

If anything it made me feel like the X,Y axis is useless without a third axis (Z), and that reactivity vs proactivity, or something like that needs to be added as an incidental.

It's a two dimensional chart (in common use) and politics is massively more complex than that.

It's probably a thread better suited for /pol/, but I find the more STEM knowledge I acquire, the more I tend to adopt both left and right ideals, and wonder who the fuck decided which parts are left and which are right (seriously, there are some full retard stances on both sides)

[Anonymous No.11764391]

I became an anarchist but not because of STEM but because I discovered Chomsky.

[Anonymous No.11764443]

>>11764388
This. If any the more knowledge has made me more moderate. Left or right sound both pretty retarded

[Anonymous No.11764449]

>>11764356
I'm still center-ish but I've definetely leaned more to the right. That's moreso down to the hypocrisy of libtards on college campuses pissing me off more than STEM in general.

[Anonymous No.11764485]

>>11764391
Chomsky is only an anarchist in a very vague sense, in that he believes that all authority needs to be questioned and justified before it's accepted as legitimate.
Pretty much nobody disagrees with that.

[Anonymous No.11764491]

>>11764449
Don't be a contrarian.

[Anonymous No.11764501]

>>11764356
It's made me despise humanities and social "sciences" students a lot more, who happen to be predominantly quite far left wing.
But other than that if anything I've lost most of my interest in politics while pursuing a career in science. It's put into perspective how there's far better things to worry about than politics and how it's really a waste of mental energy to get wound up in it. Which is probably the main reason I have grown to despise those aforementioned students who do.

[Anonymous No.11764502]

>>11764356
STEM itself didn't. Why would engineering affect my political views? I did become more right wing throughout college though.

[Anonymous No.11764512]

>>11764356
Made me a moderate, for me I started to understand that a lot of shit is product of environment and I'm also a geo-politics fan so I always try to keep up. I have come into conclusion that what happened in Africa after decolonization was a ghost attack from the times of imperialism with exploitation from western countries. I am very positive about some counties in this continent and I have learned to look at counties not the second largest continent on earth as one thing. So yeah but I am still aware of statistics so my opinion about African American as a community is not so good. But I do think that if they focus on education they can become better and also to drop their self-destroying culture. Although I have nothing against the individual African American. I think that in the next decades we will see the rise of Africa as a whole, right now there are countries that are already rising fast(Ethiopia, Nigeria, Rwanda, Gabon etc) but still a lot of countries are not improving, I think it will change with the coming decades and we will see a thing like in Asia.

[Anonymous No.11764526]

>>11764356
No, it made me realise that politics is a massive waste of time. Public opinion will always converge to normal distribution, somewhere between right and left as described by central limit theorem. Only thing that I don't like is extreme leftists injecting politics in everything they touch. I don't care about BLM niggers, so stop spamming everything with your propaganda. I don't even live in USA so why should I waste my brainpower and memory processing useless data. Female candidate preferences for research positions are also pure bullshit. Just hire the best person, not by shape of their smelly fermented menstruation discharge infested genitals. There shouldn't be any politics in STEM, go play with your social "sciences" and leave us alone to work in peace.

[Anonymous No.11764527]

>>11764356
Not really, but sjw-ness and crazy feminists caused me to become right wing. From my experience most of those types studied arts and humanities and few studied STEM. My liking for STEM and dislike of most non-stem subjects and some of the people who studied them might have helped consolidate my opinions a little bit.

[Anonymous No.11764530]

>>11764501
Amen.

[Anonymous No.11764532]

>>11764501
>>11764526
based

[Anonymous No.11764548]

Politics is a scam, the truth is moderate but excludes Islam and promotes secularism. Doesn't really matter what is your race. I have Black friends who are good engineers and also Asian, White etc..

[Anonymous No.11764553]

not science or math

[Anonymous No.11764589]

>>11764356
My medical cursus made me progressively more and more right wing.
I used to be borderline bleeding heart at 18 then seeing the bottom of the barrel in the population every so often changed my outlook on many groups and behaviours.

Boomers and following generations are completely dismantling tradition not realizing they are dumping millenias of memetic selection making society incredibly weak and unstable in the process.

[Anonymous No.11764633]

>>11764356
I don't know if STEM in itself makes you right wing ... I think the people who are interested in STEM are more likely to be data oriented and less likely to be swayed by an emotional plea.

[Anonymous No.11764640]

>>11764485
Not him but Isn’t Chomsky an anarcho syndicalist?

[Anonymous No.11764641]

>>11764501
Beautiful

[Anonymous No.11764649]

>>11764633
Yes, but still doesn't make you a right wing.

[Anonymous No.11764657]

>>11764633
So they're probably less likely to be right-wing. And looking at surveys of American scientists, that seems to be true! I'm glad we all accept the data shows scientists skew left.

[Anonymous No.11764721]

>>11764356
A lot of people and not just those in STEM live very compartmentalised lives. They do not question what they have been told, education is an act of faith. I can see good point to both left and right wing policies. No party can give you what you want absolutely. It is why we should all be floating voters, party allegiance is dumb.

[Anonymous No.11764727]

>>11764657
I would like to see such surveys as it seems more that scientists skew apolitical

[Anonymous No.11764743]

If voting had an effect, the elites wouldn't let us do it.

We need anarchism.

[Anonymous No.11764788]

>>11764727
That's because most non-scientists view scientists as apolitical even though this isn't true. https://www.people-press.org/2009/07/09/section-4-scientists-politics-and-religion/

[Anonymous No.11764789]

>>11764356
"STEM" I think is too broad to apply a distinction of classical left and right.

Science and Math produces professors in institutions - hence institutional scientists/mathematicians are more likely to vote themselves more money (ie left). Scientists do research which is not market driven.

Engineers/ technologists/ developers operate within markets essentially their whole life so will probably vote right as they get older. They also are more likely to see first hand incompetence/ bullshitters and they want to be able to get rid of such types asap. Hence they give less of a damn about workers rights etc... its about experience and expertise for them.

Scientists in industry are probably between the two. Big businesses that can actually employ researchers will benefit from left-wing policies, but they will lose money/ competitiveness if they try to e.g. take on too many diversity hires

[Anonymous No.11764814]

>>11764789
The effect is small, and only changes the extent to which scientists are overwhelmingly far leftists.

[Anonymous No.11764823]

It made me more mysoginistic seeing Stacie's from my HS who didn't do shit getting into the most selective programs at my school.

[Anonymous No.11764846]

>>11764814
Do you know if there is a more detailed break down of these results. Im a chemist you see. It would be interesting to see the ratio of industrial chemists party loyalty to that of academic chemists.

Wheres the table from?

[Anonymous No.11764847]

>>11764356
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.11764944]

>>11764512
>But I do think that if they focus on education they can become better and also to drop their self-destroying culture.
What do you think is the reason they don't focus on education and embrace a self-destroying culture?

[Anonymous No.11764971]

>>11764356
Being motivated to "pursue a STEM career" probably makes sense mostly to right wing characters anyway. They like the "career" part, and hate the "something being useful and interesting" part. I suspect that being good at STEM is highly correlated with being less right wing.

[Anonymous No.11764993]

>>11764814
Thinking about it, its quite hard to say that it is like this because they are liberals
Dems respect scientists more than reps, maybe they are just dems for the money, which is not farfetch

[Anonymous No.11764995]

They skew to the left because facts and logic have a liberal bias.
Since scientists deal in facts and logic, so they naturally skew towards the liberal values: evidence, reason, consistency, and flexibility. Even the most rigid of scientific dogma can be overturned instantly with sufficient proof.
This is as opposed to conservative ideology which is based on "common sense", fear-based magical reasoning about supernatural influences, and appeals to ancient books. Conservative dogma, unlike liberal dogma, is generally unfalsifiable and so lasts forever.

[Anonymous No.11765020]

>>11764995
Trolling outside of /b/
Where tf are the jannies?

[Anonymous No.11765081]

>>11764995
Should point out that being left wing =! being democrat since democrats are right wing (support big corporations and military industrial complex)

[Anonymous No.11765100]

>>11765081
>not real leftism!

[Anonymous No.11765145]

>>11765100
>bailout big business
>support invasions
>vote for increasing government surveillance

>but they're pro LGBT so they're left wing!

The sooner you realise that there is only 1 party, the business party, with 2 factions, the GOP and Democrats, the better.

[Anonymous No.11765165]

When I was loser I was more left-leaning. After getting into STEM and becoming more successful I became more right-wing

[Anonymous No.11765284]

>>11764356
Nope it made me more left wing after spending 3 years with the most privileged, shallow, rich kid, spoilt brat, mommy/daddys boy/girls, everything handed to them on a plate, expectant of favouritism, nasty little fucks I have ever encountered in my life
I watched people get ahead because of who daddy played golf with from their local middle-class church, while people with obvious talent but few contacts struggled to get ahead.
I literally saw people who couldnt perform a serial dilution or molar calculations in third year of a human biology degree get preferentially offered places on phd programmes. Same people a year earlier had officially complained about having to study chemistry on a biology course and actually got virtually all chemistry content removed from the biochem exam. I fucking learned biochem to answer questions on diabetes FFS because these fucks might have gotten a bad mark if they had to do actual fucking chemistry. The same people cheated their way through every assignment, copied data for lab practicals, colluded in written work, plagarised from online content, all while the lecturers knew this was happening and turned a blind eye.
But it was more important to fuck a whole degree program rather than have the rich kids not get the numbers on the bit of paper at the end that mommy and daddy had paid for.
Now I detest the middle class and their bullshit fantasy stories of how they worked hard to get where they are, and view them as lesser creatures. I will discriminate against them every chance I get in life now. When I sit on an interview panel I will screw middle class people over every fucking chance. Every prick in a private school hoodie in the the lab that I have superiority over will be scrutinised and fucked with at every possible turn and held to a standard above all others

[Anonymous No.11765305]

>>11764362
Why would he take it to /pol/? That's going to guarantee a particular non-representative answer.

[Anonymous No.11765322]

>>11764356
no but I've come to lose most of my interest in politics, why should I waste my time being upset and angry at trivial crap

[Anonymous No.11765328]

>>11764657
Where's the scientific data for 67 genders?

[Anonymous No.11765339]

>>11764356
STEM itself didn't change my views as more left, but living between Seoul, Tokyo, and Singapore for five years did. The transportation, social, and health support (physical though, not mental health) in those cities are on a completely different level than the US.
My problem with being right wing is that poverty is a stressful situation and we don't want to help those less fortunate. I'm a huge proponent for living wages and healthcare access to all. I'm a healthy individual who exercises and as of now really only goes to see the doctor for yearly checkup but one day I might not be so fortunate so I don't mind paying taxes knowing it's going to a good cause. Before living in those cities I was in the military and deployed to the ME and it's not worth the tax money of us being there. The only good thing that came of the military is that it paid for my Masters. I was able to have something to write about for school applications too.
stem major: BSc Phys/Bio, MSc MechE

[Anonymous No.11765361]

>>11764388
Idiot children treat politics like a console war so they work themselves into an impotent rage so they burn out their energy and resentment against policies in the most non-constructive way imaginable.
Patricians know its best to be a political noneuclidean.

[Anonymous No.11765374]

>>11765284
Fucking based. Where was this?

[Anonymous No.11765382]

Not really.

I did notice, however, higher amount if right wing students in my classrooms compared to when I studied humanities.

However, it made me despise some of these people after seeing how they think

And before some pol faggot gets all uppity, the right wing in my country is far different from the right win in America or Europe.

[Anonymous No.11765423]

No, it did not. Before I was able to live in moderate luxury as a software developer, I was on full blown welfare. I used it to self-study and volunteer at small non-profits to help their engineers at a basic level - to the extend of my abilities at the time. Welfare and FOSS, both considered a staple of the left, helped me out of misery and served as a basis to get out of poverty. I see no reason to lean right. My success now is based on the social safety net I was in years ago. I won't forget the hand that quite literally fed me and I support everyone in the position I was in.

[Anonymous No.11765455]

The only thing I realised is that 'right' and 'left' are terms used by BS losers who think politics is binary and will worship losers on either side (Obama or Trump).

If you're worshipping a politician, you're a BS loser.

[Anonymous No.11765626]

>>11765081
I didn't say "left wing", I said "liberal".
Liberalism means openness to progress and change.

The founding fathers of the USA would be "right wing" by today's standards, but they actually championed an radically liberal ideal: our system of government as an alternative to the monarchies of old (favored by conservatives at the time).

Liberals noticed that we can communicate and travel at incredible speeds, effectively reducing the size of the planet. They argue that we should leverage our new abilities to enable more efficient and productive systems of science and trade.
Conservatives, meanwhile, favor strengthening imaginary borders so as to hamper that same communication and travel, maintaining and protecting the old system for its own sake.

[Anonymous No.11765648]

>>11765626
By "today's standards" those words are literally meaningless.

[Anonymous No.11765713]

>>11764356
Of course it didn't, lol. If anything, I became a NLRBE advocate.

[Anonymous No.11765778]

The "right wing" as presented by this imageboard is something absolutely revolting to me. For context, I come from a country that has rejected communism with overwhelming popular approval and pretty much bloodlessly during my lifetime. Nobody I grew up with considered communism or leftism good. In the concrete jungle of the commieblocks I grew up at was a single black person among thousands, just a guy from Lagos who got here in the 1960's and was an engineer at the local jet engine factory. I used to fall asleep to the whine of turbofans coming over the lake from just 2 miles off where I lived. I was later friends with the guys son, he went on to study physics and I went on to study CS. The only people advocating right wing shit in my country back then were complete lowlifes and generally individuals you did not want to associate with.

This of course changed slowly during the 2000's and the absolute shitshow last decade was. Both the right and left wing as understood here today are emanations of the absolute social cancer that America has become.

The extremities of the human condition will be assimilated as much as they can be and there will neither be a communist dystopia or right wing death squads. Both extremes are a sign of low IQ and as always, the smart people will come out on top to organize things to provide stability. It cannot be any other way.

[Anonymous No.11765840]

>>11765284

Based

[Anonymous No.11766336]

>>11765713
>literally just a rehash of physiocracy

[Anonymous No.11766449]

>>11764501
Objectively correct.

[Anonymous No.11766778]

>>11765020
>Reddit bad cus ez no free speech
>Jaanniee please come delete this opinion I disagree with

[Anonymous No.11766789]

>>11764362
>hardcore reactionaries
other than Shockley I'm having trouble thinking of a single prominent scientist who was "right wing". Lang denied the existence of AIDS and Watson hated black people but they were hardly fascists desu

[Anonymous No.11766852]

>>11764788
There is no left in there you retard inbred American. Idk where the fuck you faggots come up with liberal meaning left, you guys are the only retards in the world to do that. Not to mention like some position better than other has nothing to do with data both of you are idiots to think so, as you can use data to either way. Holly fuck you Americans are annoying, nuke yourselves, please.

[Anonymous No.11766870]

>>11764995
> Americans talking about politics
You guys are a joke, where the fuck a conservative negate science? Just cause you have an Orange man in the present and your dumb American brain personify conservatism in him it doesn't make it true.
If anything most of you faggots in this thread should take a break from STEM and start reading about political theory and stances before taking about cause y'all are as dumb as a motherfucker can be about this topic.

[Anonymous No.11766938]

>>11764356
It's a cliche but studying medicine made me more left wing. Seeing the underclass and realising many of them are not there due to 'laziness' or a bad attitude but because of chronic illness, addiction or terrible childhood, things out of their control.

Also worked in a rural Indian hospital for a month and that made me very grateful for socialised healthcare.

And doing translational medicine research actually taught me how reliant the UK is on science funding from the EU and how fucked we are gonna be if that goes under.

[Anonymous No.11766940]

>>11764356
I actually pursued humanities, became right wing, and then began pursuing stem.

[Anonymous No.11766947]

>>11766789
anon, I...

[Anonymous No.11766951]

>>11766789
Professor Duesberg at UC Berkeley is far right

[Anonymous No.11766956]

Thread was better than expected.

[Anonymous No.11766965]

>>11766789
John von Neumann

[Anonymous No.11766972]

>>11765284
Stop LARPing and go back to Ohio.

[Anonymous No.11766975]

>>11766947
???
>Duesberg's advocacy of AIDS denialism has, by all accounts, effectively made him a pariah to the worldwide scientific community
Sounds like a reasonable man. Does not sound like a right winger.

[Anonymous No.11766982]

>>11766975
anon, I...

[Anonymous No.11766995]

>>11766982
I still don't understand how any of these men are right wingers.

[Anonymous No.11767045]

Can someone tell me what the T in STEM is for? I get what studying Science is about. I know what studying math encompasses. And I know what goes into an engineering degree and what engineers do. What degree program covers Technology? I see a lot of car mechanics with automotive technology degrees. Is that what the T stands for? And if so does that mean that working at Jiffy Lube constitutes a STEM career?

[Anonymous No.11767058]

>>11767045
T and E don't belong with S and M. I'm almost positive its referring to CS, CSE and IT

[Anonymous No.11767063]

Daily reminder Einstein was a socialist

[Anonymous No.11767069]

>>11767058
So Technology is supposed to be IT then?

[Anonymous No.11767071]

>>11767063
a large number of late 19th and early 20th century physicists were devout christians.

[Anonymous No.11767088]

>>11767058
Actually, it's more that S and M (and even E) doesn't belong in STEM.

STEM was an acronym meant to be a catch all for highly employable degrees. Clearly degrees like CS and tech degreed in general belong here. Degrees like Chemsitry and Biology on the other hand are worth less than many liberal arts degrees.

[Anonymous No.11767101]

>>11767088
>STEM was an acronym meant to be a catch all for highly employable degrees. Clearly degrees like CS and tech degreed in general belong here. Degrees like Chemsitry and Biology on the other hand are worth less than many liberal arts degrees.
you're more than welcome to claim it for yourselves, brainlet

[Anonymous No.11767111]

>>11764640
Well, I didn't vote for him.

[Anonymous No.11767127]

>>11764657
but...more likely to detect statements that can be disproven with data.
The left and right both do this, of course.
But, exempting Trump as an outlier, the left has become particularly egregious about it, with everything based on emotion rather than fact, from statement to policy and beyond.

And if they are called on it instead of proving something with data, they are likely to just label the questioner.
And detecting so much of this from the left would make scientists more likely to become dismayed with the left, wouldn't it?

[Anonymous No.11767519]

>>11766789
Pascal Jordan

[Anonymous No.11767636]

>>11764995
I didn't know facts and logic support ideas such as equality or capitalism

[Anonymous No.11767642]

>>11767088
>Degrees like Chemsitry and Biology on the other hand are worth less than many liberal arts degrees
t. coping liberal arts brainlet

[Anonymous No.11767729]

>>11764356
No, but lifting weights did.

t. Data Sci. Msc

[Anonymous No.11767746]

>>11767642
I have a chemistry degree (chemistry is a liberal art by the way) and he's right. $12/hr lab tech jobs are all that's out there.

[Anonymous No.11767887]

>>11766870
>You guys are a joke, where the fuck a conservative negate science?
Read a history book

[Anonymous No.11767893]

>>11767642
I'm a Chemical Engineer, I also think engineering should be removed, the labour market is terrible right now. I went into the data science meme.

[Anonymous No.11767986]

>>11767746
>I have a degree
>only lab tech jobs avaliable
I'm sorry that you somehow thought a bachelor's degree was sufficient in science

[Anonymous No.11768004]

>>11767986
Go ahead and do a chemistry PhD in an organic or analytical field. Just don't come crying on /sci/ after you graduate.

[Anonymous No.11768006]

>>11767746
I have a chemistry degree and im making £70,000 a year so sucks to be you i guess.

[Anonymous No.11768024]

>>11768006
Do you really? In what position? Asking for a chem friend.

[Anonymous No.11768058]

>>11768024
Senior materials scientist.
Chemistry is very broad and i think people struggle to find a career in it bc they are looking for "Chemist TM" jobs. Even if you don't want to do anything chemistry related there are plenty of jobs.

I think a lot of employers forget to list Chemistry as an appropriate degree for non-chemistry related fields (finance, systems engineering etc) but are more than happy to take them. Its nothing to do with chemistry being a crap degree. Its just a lot of people never do chemistry, so they forget about it when suggesting who should apply.

Furthermore many people who study chemistry choose to do so because they like/ were good at/ science but didn't know what to do and are sold chemistry as a central science. They then get a sour surprise when chemistry turns out to be its own discipline with its own "Culture" and is not just a mish mash of physics and biology.

[Anonymous No.11768164]

>>11766965
The standard back then would be considered reactionary nowadays, that doesn't mean it's accurate to label him reactionary or anything similar.

[Anonymous No.11768171]

>>11766951
>Title :Professor of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
>Department: Dept of Mathematics
???

[Anonymous No.11768177]

>>11764356
Not really. I always was pretty mid-left.
The only thing that makes me "right wing" is that the left wing just keep getting more and more retarded.

[Anonymous No.11768183]

>>11765284
this made me kinda sad, dont be so bitter anon

[Anonymous No.11768184]

>The first sip from the glass of natural sciences will make you an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass, God is waiting for you.

Yes it did, regards, Werner Heisenberg

[Anonymous No.11768205]

Shouldn't it be SEM and remove the T? Science Engineering and Mathematics are all well respected in industry and academia and have decent career paths. Technology on the other hand is a waste of time it looks like. There are lots of BSc programs advertising this or that technology or "engineering" technology. These programs have no respect in the professional world and possessing a degree from one of them, regardless of post grad achievements, pretty much disqualifies you from having an academic career. The engineering societies especially are extremely hostile to T and ET programs and grads, and anyone from those programs is ineleligible for licensure, which is a career death sentence in many engineering occupations. So why do we have Technology on the same footing as the others?

[Anonymous No.11768211]

>>11764356
Bumping for contour integrals, eradicating nigger residues when holomorphic on the domain

[Anonymous No.11768218]

>>11768205
STEM isn't about academic careers, it's about the job market potential of graduates, for which T is highest (CS, IT etc.)

[Anonymous No.11768252]

>>11768218
Then why push university? Why not promote going to community college for a diploma and then onto bootcamp for whatever additional certifications are needed. If we are talking about the job market, industry wants people with simply adequate education to onboard and begin working with minimal start-up training time, and to pay them accordingly. Industry does not want to needlessly hire someone with a full undergrad or grad degree and have to pay them accordingly. Why this push for kids to go to a full university for the T fields alongside the other fields when that level of education, not to mention the minimum 40,000 dollars in loan debt, is not really necessary for an entry level technology job?

[Anonymous No.11768258]

>>11764356
No you fucking retard get off my board
It made me a marxist

[Anonymous No.11768260]

>>11765626
When has the left suddenly become pro-globalization and pro-free trade? That idea has been championed mostly by neo-cons and heavily opposed by the left that has always seen trade as something that hurts workers and destroys the welfare system

[Anonymous No.11768262]

>>11768211

[Anonymous No.11768273]

>>11768058
>>11768006
I'm making more than you in a consulting job, just not in chemistry. My job requires a degree, not a specific degree, so chemistry is no more valuable than any other liberal art unless you value $12/hr lab tech jobs. It's not a useful field to work in.

[Anonymous No.11768302]

As usual, a pointless discussion. People simply assign the ideas they disagree with to the other side. Everyone on the right thinks leftism is a backward, racist, illiberal, corporatist ideology, and that leftists are being mindfucked by the elite against to vote against their own interests. Everyone on the left thinks rightism is a backward, racist, illiberal, corporatist ideology, and that rightists are being mindfucked by the elite against to vote against their own interests. If you don't see that 90% of mainstream political discussion (in the USA) can be distilled to two bubbles accusing the other bubble of the same thing, you're in one of the bubbles.

[El Arcón No.11768309]

Trying to use reason to convince large numbers of people of stuff convinced me that violence is the right way to convince large numbers of people of stuff. Violence cuts through the obtuseness of collectivized thought processes and their associated action complexes in a way that reason never could.

[Anonymous No.11768318]

>>11768164
What does "reactionary" mean?

[Anonymous No.11768322]

>>11768252
People are pushing exactly that now. The higher education bubble has burst already. Soon there will be a lot fewer universities especially those that rely on tuition for revenue.

[Anonymous No.11768329]

>>11768273
There appears to be a trend of people in consulting claiming to "make a lot of money", but when you actually look at average salaries in those firms they are very modest. Not saying you're lying, but as far as I know you can make money as a consultant with a technical background than with a more generic one.

[Anonymous No.11768334]

>>11768318
Regressive. Comes from the French word for people who wanted to revert the government to monarchy. Used as a pejorative now, but not originally.

[Anonymous No.11768494]

>>11768318
In nRx thought it's basically the antonym to "progressive"

[Anonymous No.11768594]

>>11768329
The pay was shit when I first started but it's a very small company and I moved to a more managerial position.

[Anonymous No.11768687]

>>11765284
>Rich kids
>I hate the middle class now
Are you retarded or are you retarded? You're working an entry level job I bet lol. You'll never be more than a wagie, quit larping lmao.

[Anonymous No.11768692]

>>11768006
I have no degree and was making $90k-$100k/year. College is a waste unless you're a doctor, going high end software or finance.

[Anonymous No.11768704]

>>11764356
it made me realize there are tons of stupid people in the world, both on the right side and the left side, but for some reason dumb people on the left side don't get the same hatred and bullying as dumb people on the right side

[Anonymous No.11769065]

/pol/cucks BTFO

[Anonymous No.11769346]

>>11769065
I don't believe this because the petroleum industry is pretty evenly split (look at Alaska)

[Anonymous No.11769530]

>>11764356
studying philosophy in school made me more right wing.

[Anonymous No.11769561]

>>11769065
looks like conservatives are down to earth and liberals' heads are up in space

[Anonymous No.11769971]

>>11769561
Lol

[Anonymous No.11770178]

>>11764356
It made me move from right wing young libertarian contrarianism to more centric and pragmatic approach.

[Anonymous No.11770239]

>>11768273
I could be a patent attorney with a chemistry degree. You cannot with liberal arts.

[Anonymous No.11770244]

>>11768692
Im in the UK so theres no requirement for me to pay student loans back if i hadn't earn't enough. Here it is a reasonable investment.

Bear in mind in the uk we have way more included in our pay. So I see £70,000, but add up the guaranteed holidays, pension, medical its more like im earning £110,000

[Anonymous No.11770251]

It made me hate woman pandering when all the women got internships in their freshman year and I got fucking nothing the whole time I was there.

[Anonymous No.11770278]

>>11764362
Found the discord tranny. Dilate, faggot.

[Anonymous No.11770331]

>>11769561
nice one LOL

[Anonymous No.11770489]

>>11770251
They mostly only give NASA internships to black students now too.

We had a dropout with 0.2 GPA (the lowest in our programme's history) get a NASA intership because he said his professors were racist (while at the same time giving their names as references for recommendation)

[Anonymous No.11770604]

>>11769065
>no source

[Anonymous No.11770650]

>>11770489
>0.2
Not US so idk how it works, but is that even possible? Surely below a certain threshold you're automatically kicked of the course.

[Anonymous No.11770652]

>>11765626
>strengthening imaginary borders
Countries are comprised of their citizens. If you change the people, you change the country. And if you replace the people with other people from shithole countries with terrible cultures and low intelligence, your country will become a shithole.

[Anonymous No.11770663]

>>11767642
>>11767101
Cope

[Anonymous No.11770683]

>>11769065
Now post Medicine i e. the jobs that actually involve dealing with people on a regular basis

[Anonymous No.11770739]

>>11764356
They are just tools. If anything makes you "right" or "left" wing it's the neglect of the fact you need both wings to fly.

[Anonymous No.11770745]

>>11770739
cringe

[Anonymous No.11770754]

>>11770745
As cringe as it sounds, it's true.

[Anonymous No.11770761]

>>11770754
Funny how the "moderate" position has been moving left for well over 4 centuries then isnt it

[Anonymous No.11770768]

>>11768687
middle class brat spotted

[Anonymous No.11770777]

>>11770683
now post medicine, ie the jobs that recruit almost exclusively from the upper middle class

[Anonymous No.11770783]

>>11764356
is biology STEM?

[Anonymous No.11770819]

>>11770761
Hey, trying to steer the bird towards something by favoring a wing sometimes makes it crash. Being centrist has it's risks too. All I know is, that if one wing is flapping, you will definitely go around in circles and certainly stall and crash.

[Anonymous No.11770829]

>>11770650
This wasn't USA, I converted it from percentage, but yes he was kicked out. He ended up getting his degree at an unaccreditted university.

[Anonymous No.11770835]

The more I learned about IT and network security the more I became paranoid of the government and large companies.

[Anonymous No.11770849]

>>11765626
This is technically wrong. Liberals want increased wages for the lower classes so that's why they always aim to protect the job market by keeping immigration low and therefore giving employees more power in wage negotiations.

The American politics are different as always, the DNC being pro immigration is a recent thing due to companies lobbying the party for it. American political parties are both very conservative, they just dress their conservative right wing policies up with different social issues.

Look up videos of Bernie Sanders talking about lowering immigration in 2008 for example, that's the liberal position.

[Anonymous No.11770870]

>>11770783
Is mayonnaise an instrument?

[Anonymous No.11770993]

>>11770652
Why don't we have shanty-towns outside of major cities, and slums with no electricity and rivers of shit running down the middle of their streets, in the US?

It's because, in exchange for limited monopoly, power and utilities are legally required to serve any community in their zone regardless of profitability. These developments are supported by subsidies, ultimately supported by the taxpayer. A robust interstate road system allows goods and services to flow freely across great distances. As a result, people are free to spread out while still maintaining an acceptable standard of living.

Of course, conservatives ferociously opposed both of these essential tools. Thankfully, we had economic liberals thinking ahead, carefully and logically.

[Anonymous No.11771008]

>>11770829
What was the %?

[Anonymous No.11771137]

>>11770819
Nice saying. A pity it doesnt mean anything

[Anonymous No.11771147]

If people here have visited Zurich, Geneva, Singapore or Tokyo then you would know that government involvement is not such a bogeyman.

[Anonymous No.11771153]

>>11771147
>List ethnically homogeneous cities (not including Singapore)
Its totally the government guys, thats whats working.

[Anonymous No.11771162]

>>11771153
Zurich, Geneva aren't that homogenous (lots of differnet minorities there. And Singapore is a giant mix.

[Anonymous No.11771217]

>>11771162
Zur and Gen are majority white. as in 90% white european.

Singapore is nice bc they actually use laws that work (racial profiling etc) and is run by a single party.

[Anonymous No.11771259]

>>11770849
Sorry to break it to you, but left and right don’t mean the same thing anymore. Google left immigration, every article from both left and right leaning sources defines open borders as left. Cesar Chavez would be considered a far right white supremacist Nazi today. I remember 1999 Seattle, too, when “left” meant you supported American workers over international business arbitrage. My favorite example of how the vast majority of the so-called left are just herded into any stupid opinion by their own corporate news bubble is pic related. As are, of course, the “right,” by theirs.

[Anonymous No.11771984]

>>11765328
Do you know that being left wing is more than gender bullshit and similar?

[Anonymous No.11772085]

>>11771984
Name your favorite three “left wing” principles and I bet I can find a rightie who agrees with at least 2/3 and a leftie who disagrees with at least 2/3.

[Anonymous No.11772183]

>>11771984
The claim was the leftism is the ideology the values science. The leftist view on genders is an example of this not being true. Leftism is full of magical thinking that refutes science when they are in conflict. Leftism therefore cannot claim to be the ideology of science.

[Anonymous No.11772325]

Pursuing STEM made me more able to distinguish good science from bullshit, so made me more 'left wing' (not regarding economic policy, but regarding racism/anti LGBT/other shit that the Right seems to want to identify with). As a teen browsing this site I was well on my way to being a racist trans-hater but thankfully I learnt to challenge my beliefs and hunt down the facts

It also made me realise that 90% of people have literally no genuine 'knowledge' of the effects of certain policies, simply because true understanding would require multidisciplinary expertise and we're all too busy working to actually know whether X is genuinely better for the economy than Y, or better than 1.5*X, or X + Z or whatever else

>>11764512
Dude you should read "The Looting Machine: Warlords, Tycoons, Smugglers and the Systematic Theft of Africa’s Wealth". It goes into great depth about why your desired focus on education just isn't in the interest of most African governments. It's got a few case studies like Angola, where something stupid like 99% of government income comes direct from oil deals with Western oil companies. There's literally no incentive for the government to improve the lives of Angolans since they don't need tax from happy citizens, they just need military power and they're set. At the same time no other industry can develop against the ultra valuable oilbucks so everyone not involved in oil (99% of the population) stays poor as fuck (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease))
>>11764944
I know it's very easy to blame everything on race (it certainly is an effective cope), but typically geopolitical issues are more complex than "it's because they have black skin"

[Anonymous No.11772333]

>>11772325
Skeptic TM

[Anonymous No.11772339]

>>11770783
Yes. One of the natural sciences. Chem, Phys, Bio are the most prominent natural sciences but you would include geology, some aspects of materials science, and astronomy in there as well

[Anonymous No.11772341]

>>11772333
Que?

[Anonymous No.11772360]

>>11772183
>Gender science doesn't sit well with me so it's not real science
>The real science on genders is the view that agrees with my political beliefs
>The Left doesn't agree with real gender science and the Right is the political stance of a proper scientist
Top kek.
I think it's fucking stupid to try and attach science to the political game like this, but this is fucking stupid. You can't just decide that the research of a field is bullshit just because it hurts your feelings.

[Anonymous No.11772386]

>>11772325
Note that in your example, the governments of those countries are the ones abusing their own people for personal gain. This is an argument for nationalism, not against it.

[Anonymous No.11772424]

>>11772386
>Note that in your example, the governments of those countries are the ones abusing their own people for personal gain
Yes that is a large takeaway from the book, government corruption stops African development despite huge amounts of money being made satisfying Western demands for natural resources; what did you think I was pointing out instead?

>This is an argument for nationalism, not against it
I don't see why you're bringing up nationalism, or why you think I was talking about it at all?

[Anonymous No.11772512]

Not at all.

I've certainly become somewhat more right wing over time; but it's just due to aging. As you get old you become less quixotic and maybe somewhat more rational? I studied mathematics (and still do) and that has change my thinking process quite a lot but I think not so much in how I go about my politics.

[Anonymous No.11772812]

>>11772360
So you agree there are dozens of genders?

[Anonymous No.11773583]

>>11768211
Cringe

[Anonymous No.11773599]

>>11772085
>Workers should own the means of production
>Heavy taxation of big businesses
>Progressive and very steep tax rates
"Leftism" in America is a joke, people were brainwashed into thinking that being socialist is thinking about genders and trannies, effectively removing attention from the growing loss of labour rights and practically modern day slavery

[Anonymous No.11773612]

It has made me more left wing in the non American sense. I've seen many gifted poeple that are in university only thanks to state help and intervention (not a burger, here taxes are very low in public universities and many people don't even have to pay for them). Some actually poor people that would have made it in uni was it not for the help of the state. This made

[Anonymous No.11773625]

>>11772812
There is clearly something wrong with how the brain handles the gender stuff, while those gender labels are meaningless, people who try to look at the brain as a machine based on binary logic are in a way even more retarded than the 52 gender apologists.

[Anonymous No.11773669]

>>11768171
For some reason the math department and the meth department have really close relationships. Probably why he isn't fired.

[Anonymous No.11773779]

Everyone I work with from the range of electrical, mechanical and automation are pretty apolitical.
They all do want lower taxes though, no shit.

[Anonymous No.11773824]

>>11764356
Yes. To an extreme extent. It showed me just how much damage useless people (and people who tolerate useless people) do to everyone and everything around them.
The notion of people being "equal" falls apart completely by the end of a doctorate, and the excuses that people normally make to defend it are shown to have the strength of wet toilet paper.
It also showed me how much damage my country's leftists have done to the educational system while claiming that they were defending it.

[Anonymous No.11773825]

>>11770683

[Anonymous No.11773836]

>>11764388
Based big brain

[Anonymous No.11773837]

>>11773825
lol

[Anonymous No.11773849]

>>11772812
Seeing as the existence of non-binary genders is well documented in practically all cultures across the globe then yeah I agree there's more than the gender binary we think of as 'normal' in the west. Do you deny that these people exist?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chibados
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81h%C5%AB
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_in_Bugis_society
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muxe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanith
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_sworn_virgins

[Anonymous No.11773851]

>>11771259
More big brain posting

[Anonymous No.11773918]

>>11773849
Unless you show me a futa with working benis n vagoo, I think they're all subsets of the binary. You know, like I can be dominant or submissive or act girly but either way I'm a male because I produce sperm, no matter how tiny or mishappen my penis is.
>inb4 deformed genital birth
Yeah those people are deformed. We don't create new classes of people born with more or less fingers. And they certainly don't account for all the trannies.
You can extrapolate on this for those deformed cases, like that of a child. Even tho a child doesn't produce sperm or eggs you can extrapolate and guess that if they got a chance to develop, which one would they develop?
>inb4 b-but gender isn't sex!
It was for the majority chunk of it's history until some faggot in the 70s misused it and got his university a lot of recognition (money) off a controversial paper. Now every institution is forced to accept it lest they suffer the wrath of one million seething keyboard warriors.
Gender, as in Genesis, as in Create, as in 'What do you lend to the creation of life, the sperm or the egg'.
You guys are so good at making up Pokemon names why did you have to use a word that already existed?

But I digress. Show me someone who produces both sperm and egg, or a 3rd life block, and I'll entirely concede.

[Anonymous No.11773959]

>>11773918
Gender isn't sex. The majority of your post is talking about sex so isn't relevant to the discussion

>It was for the majority chunk of it's history
Very weak anon. This isn't an argument, else you could use it to dismiss Einstien in 1905, or Copernicus in 1543 etc. Why don't you take the actual claim on?
>Now every institution is forced to accept it lest they suffer the wrath of one million seething keyboard warriors
Come on now anon you surely don't genuinely believe this? What 1970 keyboard warriors were holding universities to ransom to accept this idea?
My guess is that you've never actually considered the claim properly and always quickly dismiss it as too silly to be true, have you even ever considered that the reason it's commonly accepted is because it has some merit?

Would you like me to explain it for you or are you able to use google?

>Gender, as in Genesis, as in Create, as in 'What do you lend to the creation of life, the sperm or the egg'.
You guys are so good at making up Pokemon names why did you have to use a word that already existed?
kek what the fuck is this argument? Appeal to etymology?

[Anonymous No.11774073]

>>11773851
Based retard. Do you disagree that "left" (including Bernie Sanders) used to mean immigration control, or that "left" (including Bernie Sanders) now means open borders?

[Anonymous No.11774154]

No, but have been right-wing politically as long as I've been able to form opinions. Haven't changed through high school, undergrad, grad school, now post-doc.

[Anonymous No.11774381]

>>11773583
your sex life is cringe

[Anonymous No.11774405]

>>11773959
>the reason it's commonly accepted is because it has some merit?
Tell me, what does inventing 83 genders contribute to the world scientifically? Gender has become a bastardised term that has very little meaning. Its only purpose is for the mentally ill to place labels on themselves and live vicariously by those labels. There is no scientific, observable criteria that can classify a person as any specific "gender" other than the person wanting to be called that gender, and how they feel. Sex (which is really gender to non-retards) is based on distinct biological differences that can be observed in all individuals, barring those outside of the norm (intersex). If a person displays abnormal sex characteristics, they are exactly that-abnormal, and furthermore, whatever sex characteristics they do have are within the binary of male, which means that these are the only options possible in terms of having a gender. Show me ONE(1) human that displays sex characteristics that cannot be classified as either male or female and sure, they can have their third gender you filthy jew

[Anonymous No.11774415]

>>11774405
*within the binary of male and female

[Anonymous No.11774416]

Engineer here, centrist.

[Anonymous No.11774495]

>>11764356
Humanities: mostly feelers
STEM: mostly thinkers

The main premise of the left is: I don't care about the facts, just make everyone feels good.
So you go figure.

[Anonymous No.11774511]

>>11774495

And the thinkers with an agenda have figured out how to manipulate the feelers en masse.

[Anonymous No.11774517]

>>11774405
>Don't be a jerk, just say the pronoun
>Don't be a jerk, just wear the mask
>Don't be a jerk, just say black lives matter
Interesting how much compelled speech and security theater is sneaking into science these day.

[Anonymous No.11774579]

>>11765361
>Idiot children treat politics like a console war
This is what I've been thinking for years now, seeing all these fights on Twitter over politics, most of them talking about politicians and militants for certain political parties instead of actual ideas. Some people really have a huge sense of belonging when it comes to politics, they choose their side first and then they defend any ideas associated with it, it doesn't matter if they agree with it or not, I think that thought doesn't even crosses their minds.

[Anonymous No.11774632]

>>11766975
so if someone supports the right he can't be reasonable