What is the realistic date for a unmanned starship to mars? Crewed mission? etc..

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Anonymous Tue Jun 2 03:16:24 2020 No.11754276 [Reply] [Original]

What is the realistic date for a unmanned starship to mars? Crewed mission? etc..

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 03:26:21 2020 No.11754291 >>11754276 Probably never gonna happen in our lifetime, no strong economic incentive to do so. If it did happen by chance around 2040s unmanned, and 1 or 2 decade later will be manned mission.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 03:33:07 2020 No.11754297 >>11754291 >no strong economic incentive to do so You are right only a billionaire with a company whose goal is to do so.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 03:40:33 2020 No.11754306 Unmanned 2022 Manned 2024 It will happen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 03:42:38 2020 No.11754309 File: 217 KB, 1500x844, BFR_Sep_Longnose.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11754306 I was wondering about 2022, do you think they will actually get the starship done in time?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 03:43:57 2020 No.11754311 >>11754297 So where's the economic incentive here?

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 03:44:35 2020 No.11754313

It's hard to tell.

Starship keeps exploding, and while I know they're iterating rapidly, I don't think they're happy about the rate that they blow up. It's not like they get good data out of each failure; one Starship collapsed just because they filled the top tank and not the bottom one during testing. That's just carelessness.

Shotwell said that it would be a major company failure if Starship isn't flying humans in 2023. Shotwell is reasonable and level-headed, unlike Musk's eccentricity and optimism and Twitter diarrhea, but that's hard to believe. Making a human-rated Dragon took far longer, and though the claim is that the lessons from Crew Dragon will make Starship proceed much more rapidly, Starship is a beast of its own class.

They've yet to begin construction of the booster, or of any kind of prototype.
The Starship design has changed again recently, now losing its flaps entirely.
No Starship other than the initial 'water tower' prototype has ever left the ground.
SpaceX has never recovered anything from orbit.
Starship is supposed to land propulsively, eventually with humans onboard, even though the Falcon 9 booster doesn't even land successfully 100% of the time.

That said, Starships being made out of steel means they can crank 'em out quickly and cheaply. Once they eventually make a booster and have a Starship that can get to orbit, the sheer scale of the vehicle means that all they'd need to send tons of stuff to Mars is permission. Whether any of that stuff will land on Mars in one piece is a completely different story.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 03:45:52 2020 No.11754317 >>11754311 The economic incentive comes after SpaceX already gets there and they will get there by the end of this decade

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 03:55:34 2020 No.11754325

>>11754291

>no strong economic incentive

SpaceX is a private company; they don't need profit. They can do what they want until their money runs out, and if Starlink is even half as successful as they hope, they'll have infinite money for Starships. Besides, the US having sizeable infrastructure on Mars would be strong enough bragging rights to easily secure SOME government funding. The US having the only road to Mars means any other countries or foreign companies hoping to do anything on Mars would have to go through the US. That kind of power is quite nice.

Building a self-sustaining colony on Mars, which is Musk's long-term dream, is technically possible but so far off it's hard to imagine. Theoretically, as long as the rockets with supplies and people from Earth keep landing on Mars, and as long as it's possible for humans to healthily breed on Mars, and as long as someone discovers a way to produce food on Mars, there's no reason it couldn't happen eventually.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 03:56:33 2020 No.11754327 >>11754291 >No economic value ???????

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:02:49 2020 No.11754337 >>11754317 What economic incentive?

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:05:47 2020 No.11754341
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>>11754313
The thing that makes me hopeful is the amount they already have after last weeks failure. There is already SN5, 6 and 7 at the facility and they're working on them constantly. I do think the falcon program will streamline starship development and i think we are already seeing that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:06:11 2020 No.11754342 >>11754297 You are thinking like this billionaire has billions of dollar laying around that he can do anything with. That's not how it is. There must be an strong economic reason to do anything if you are running a company.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:08:34 2020 No.11754345 >>11754337 >establish colony on mars >tell corporations that if they fund you they can setup on mars

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:09:53 2020 No.11754349 >>11754325 Yes you are right. But my guess is there is not enough strong economic interest to generate healthy competition spacex cant innovate fast enough to get us there in 2024 its unbelievably foolish to think we are landing on mars in just 4 years

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:10:18 2020 No.11754350

>>11754337
NASA contracts, personal contracts, logistics, construction, agriculture, entertainment, tourism, ect. When people are living on mars there will be needs for those people and just like here on earth, those needs are an opportunity to make money.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:12:38 2020 No.11754352 >>11754325 simply since space race ended development of space technology stagnated. SpaceX alone isnt enough to achieve required technologies in that short amount of time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:12:46 2020 No.11754354 >>11754276 If you can build an 5km particle accelerator. You can build a space rail gun. Trains already run at 700 km/h. Even only 700 km/ would reduce the Size a rocket need to reach spaces drastically.

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:16:37 2020 No.11754361
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>>11754349
>But my guess is
>its unbelievably foolish to think we are landing on mars in just 4 years
Like you said that is your guess. SpaceX and its founder are ideologically driven to make it to mars, their starlink program is set to make more money than amazon and the military/NASA contracts continue to roll in. SpaceX has already innovated, they have already proven their competency and a mars trip is not exactly new tech.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:18:53 2020 No.11754366 >>11754352 >to achieve required technologies What tech do they need that they don't already have?

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:27:00 2020 No.11754379

>>11754361
manned mars trip is challenge with lot of new required technology, pressured self sustaining habitat? and lot of, i mean quite lot of testing, fail safe measures. I am no means expert on any of this but come on 4 years?
I might be totally wrong. Perhaps these guys are working faster than how mongols conquered half of the world.

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:27:53 2020 No.11754381

>>11754342
He owns enough of the company that he can direct what they do. It is literally their mission statement and they have been actively testing and producing the rocket to achieve their goal. Their money is being made through contracts and soon by starlink.
>There must be an strong economic reason to do anything if you are running a company.
Not really, most companies are created in the interest to make money but that is not why SpaceX was made. SpaceX is more akin to a nonprofit with a specific goal, that being said starlink will make more money than any other company.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:28:02 2020 No.11754383 >>11754366 Well no one attempted placing livable habitat on another planet so.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:28:38 2020 No.11754386 >>11754350 Where will the return on investment be?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:29:26 2020 No.11754388 >>11754381 Yes i am wrong on that point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:30:01 2020 No.11754389 >>11754386 >Where will the return on investment be? reaching your ideological goals.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:31:18 2020 No.11754394 >>11754389 not an economic incentive

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:35:14 2020 No.11754400

>>11754379
>pressured self sustaining habitat
Which they have already achieved through crew dragon. I agree however that it is a daunting task, I do not however believe that it is impossible in 4 years at the rate they are going and since they will probably be sending their own crew it will not have the same amount of requirements that a NASA mission has.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:36:31 2020 No.11754401 >>11754394 And? Ideology will get a colony on mars, economics will follow after the colony is established.

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:37:19 2020 No.11754404
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Why care about mars when you will probably spend the rest of your life in here? Why not make the most of it? Viva vivet,bros! Go get some chicks or try to work your asses off in order to buy mansions instead of dreaming about something that won't happen anytime soon ,and even if it happens,will have no impact on our lives

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:42:18 2020 No.11754414
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>>11754394
>>11754291
>>11754311
Did you just watch black science man's the future of colonizing space video? If no whats your hardon for an economic incentive about? SpaceX has been clear since day 1 that they will go to mars if they have the means to do so, it is their entire reason for existing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:44:03 2020 No.11754417 >>11754404 based chad, VR soon will be realistic enough that we can go to "mars" anyways and it will be affordable. All the space tourism spacex is involved with it is all billionaires never gonna be cheap for common plebs

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:44:23 2020 No.11754418 >>11754404 Because it gives people hope and a sense of progress? Nothing is more bleak than the corrupt stagnation we have had since the apollo missions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:47:46 2020 No.11754419 >>11754414 It is all about how fast SpaceX claims that they can achieve its goals.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:49:11 2020 No.11754421 >>11754418 stagnation is not only natural for any civilization but also great,it gives you the sense that you live in a golden age.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:50:00 2020 No.11754423 >>11754414 this thread is about when not if i said not in our lifetime maybe that was too pessimistic

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:50:52 2020 No.11754424
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>There is no economic incentive to invest in space travel with the hopes of colonizing foreign planets

One word: Land. We live in a time where the global mortality rate is at an all time low and is steadily going down thanks to new developments in medical technology. Humans as a whole are reproducing quicker than they're dying so naturally the next hurdle we'll have to tackle in the future is overpopulation.

As the human population expands industries will need to build factories and places to harvest resources and someday there won't be any space left on earth since billions of people will need a place to live. Naturally people won't want to be crammed into hyper-condensed mega cities so if unoccupied foreign planets suddenly were financially viable to claim land on and to develop you can bet your ass the demand for space travel from corporations would skyrocket (which it has).

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:51:38 2020 No.11754427 >>11754423 Incredibly pessimistic considering they're doing static fires on their 4th prototype

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:52:46 2020 No.11754429 >>11754401 yes, an economic sink.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:55:19 2020 No.11754430 >>11754424 wrong, fertility rate is below replacement level in most countries, and particularly those developed enough to have a space program

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:55:45 2020 No.11754431

>>11754424
No. Human population growth is slowing down and many scientists and researches suggest it will stagnate at 10-11 billion people. People are having less children and medicine is not developed enough to let people live beyond 100 and it will like that for long time

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:56:39 2020 No.11754435 >>11754424 Fucking hell man what if mars just becomes an industrial center when interplanetary shipping becomes cheap.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:57:44 2020 No.11754439 >>11754429 For awhile sure, until it is self sustaining and then it will grow like anything else

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 04:58:45 2020 No.11754441 >>11754419 They've done well so far

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 05:19:31 2020 No.11754471 >>11754424 1.That won't happen anytime soon. 2.People will easily get used to high poulation density.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 05:28:18 2020 No.11754476 Does anyone know how a society would be run on Mars? I get the vibe that the tech geeks who are working on getting to Mars would heavily push for an anarchist society, probably anarcho-syndicalism or something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 05:29:20 2020 No.11754478 >>11754325 >SpaceX is a private company; they don't need profit. Fucking lol. I bet you think the lame streem media are honest too and that Jeff Bezos doesn't exploit anyone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 05:29:32 2020 No.11754479 >>11754424 Terraforming the Sahara desert would far easier than terraforming Mars. It will be a very long time for us to run out of land on Earth if ever.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 05:30:11 2020 No.11754480 >>11754291 Glad you came out of the coma, bro.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 05:34:50 2020 No.11754481 Bleak reading this doomer thread knowing this is how life was before Elon. I was born too soon. The last few decades were a waste of time. Starlink is the profit. Mars is the goal.

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 05:42:10 2020 No.11754490

>>11754479
Logistically maybe. Politically no. It would take decades to sort out property rights etc. And we're facing a huge number of problems as a species already. A small, well-educated population on Mars can move much faster. Develop the technology and know-how on Earth and use it on Mars.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 05:49:52 2020 No.11754496 >>11754481 This, fuck the greed in this thread. Look at rich people in the past and ask yourself if money is worth it

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 05:51:07 2020 No.11754498 >>11754478 not him but you have to be retarded if you think mars isn't Elon's true goal

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 05:53:00 2020 No.11754500 >>11754476 who knows, for a long time it will be tight knit and utilitarian

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 05:53:43 2020 No.11754501

>>11754480
>>11754481
Elon is an innovator and capitalist not a magician.
By giving too early dates for their missions they are getting good publicity and painting image of themselves better than they actually are. And when time comes by sheer difficulty of the mission at hand they can just say we didnt expect this problem or blame it on corona.
Elon appeals to zoomers and redditors because they think funny twitter smart man. And he gets good publicity.
This is my opinion and I have no authority over any of this topic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 05:54:52 2020 No.11754503 >>11754291 are you posting from 2005?

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 05:55:57 2020 No.11754505

>>11754498
I don't disagree. Maybe I should've cut out the last part of my quote. SpaceX doesn't NEED profit per se, although it's important for it to make money to fulfil their end goal to reach Mars.

However, the idea they are a private company is just stupid. They are 100% not a private company. They receive huge government subsidises and tax breaks. There is clear corporate collusion. (It's one I don't necessarily mind though since NASA is full of fuckers and Space exploration is exciting).

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 05:57:25 2020 No.11754510

>>11754349
A manned mission in just 4 years isn't impossible but definitely improbable.
I would be happy enough by that time for one or more unmanned starships to land safely on mars to pave the way.
Specifically I would look for robots being able to extract water from the soil.
If they reach that, a manned mission becomes really possible.

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 06:03:14 2020 No.11754516

>>11754501
>This is my opinion and I have no authority over any of this topic.
Well I was going to argue more fervently but this sentence made me respect your opinion. The reason i believe the dates will be pretty close to accurate is because of how much spacex has delivered. With commercial crew, commercial cargo, falcon heavy and starlink. Add to that the contracts they are winning, the amount of starship tanks they are making and the fact that they got the booster landing tech to work when everyone said it wouldn't happen and you have a very fast moving effective company. But like you this is my opinion with no authority

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 06:08:48 2020 No.11754524

>>11754505
Corporate collusion that the government dragged their feet to get away from the usual suspects.
>SpaceX doesn't NEED profit per se, although it's important for it to make money to fulfil their end goal to reach Mars.
Correct which is where satellite contracts and starlink come into the picture. Starlink is estimated to net around 50 billion a year if spacex gets the routes they are bidding for and that is not counting the military contract they already received

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 06:10:44 2020 No.11754529 >>11754510 i really want the first unmanned starship to launch in 2022. If they can start sending supplies asap that will make a huge difference in the speed of set up

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 06:11:37 2020 No.11754532 File: 70 KB, 853x480, surfing.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11754503 How did you know

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 06:12:54 2020 No.11754535 File: 1.34 MB, 1360x1200, 5dc451abb3f0c92dfeecebdf_inhabitat-aisf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11754510 >mars plugs made in 2024 Yes please

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 06:16:37 2020 No.11754538 >>11754291 >no strong economic incentive to do so This

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 06:25:45 2020 No.11754553 File: 1.07 MB, 1438x888, first man.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Will there be First Martian? or are the crew gonna walk on mars at the same time for some reason?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 06:26:01 2020 No.11754554 >>11754538 Gtfo oldspace.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 06:29:21 2020 No.11754557 >>11754553 as long as it isn't NASAs idc. I just don't want a black/vietnamese/arab muslim woman to be pushed in front of the qualified men and women just so they can make a political statement.

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 07:01:02 2020 No.11754605

>>11754501
I believe those deadlines or dates are not just marketing or PR. It's basic management. When you have a task it always takes exactly as much time as you have. Everyone who has ever done anything with a deadline knows that it's true. Nobody hands in a project a few weeks before it's due.
So management setting tight deadlines is a good way to ensure workers work fast and efficiently.
When Elon Musk publicly states SpaceX will send a ship to Mars in 2024, he just might, because that's a lot of motivation (pressure) on the people making it happen. If he were to say 'eh, we'll work on it and launch when we're ready', he'll send a ship in 2040. Or maybe never.

You need deadlines to get shit done.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 07:11:25 2020 No.11754626 >>11754306 Unmanned 2024. Manned 2030.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 07:32:27 2020 No.11754656 >>11754276 what about never?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 13:21:33 2020 No.11755148 File: 111 KB, 674x960, 1590382402651.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11754553 Wow, I am sure looking forward to the absolute pandemonium of "debating" what race and gender the first human to step on Mars should be.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 13:24:35 2020 No.11755157 >>11754424 >thanks to new developments in medical technology. More humans. Doesn't benefit you at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 13:25:50 2020 No.11755158 >>11754435 That's what these dreamers fail to recognize. Their painful existence makes them blind to these consequences.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 13:27:26 2020 No.11755160 >>11754435 That's not really a bad thing as the new gas in the atmosphere will warm the planet up.

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 13:30:36 2020 No.11755162
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>>11754309
There are a lot of things on the table. First, we have to consider Elon's insane drive. Remember the shitty looking grasshopper used to test reusable Falcon 9 (pic related)? They tested that thing and had Falcon flying reusable missions shortly thereafter. If we look at the Starship prototypes now we're seeing the same thing. To add on to this, NASA selected them as part of the Artemis program. Not only did NASA buy them 10 months of funding (which they arguably didn't even NEED per se) but now there's an expectation for this thing to actually get done in time. I suspect Elon is going to test and blow up a bunch of prototypes but we're gonna get a working Lunar Starship before we know it and see a demo flight and demo landing on the Moon in 2022 or 2023

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 14:20:41 2020 No.11755247 >>11755148 Easy, white male.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 14:33:09 2020 No.11755272 >>11755162 This, they already have 3 more prototypes being put together and once they do the hop they'll be fast tracking it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 14:50:19 2020 No.11755310 >>11754554 Please enlighten me on the bounties that await on Mars

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 14:58:58 2020 No.11755331 >>11755160 True, i was just surprised I didn't think about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 15:00:39 2020 No.11755338 >>11755310 Please enlighten me on the reasons you think musk isn't going to go there. Once a colony is established, economic opportunities spring up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 15:07:07 2020 No.11755358 Shut the fuck up you beta male

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 15:07:13 2020 No.11755359

https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/weltall/spacex-chefingenieur-zum-stat-des-crew-dragon-wilde-party-kommt-noch-a-998ff592-1071-44d5-9972-ff2b73ec8fb6

Translated interview comments from Hans Königsmann, SpaceX Vice President of Mission Assurance:

SPIEGEL: In Texas, SpaceX is already building the next largest spaceship, the "Starship". This is also supposed to be suitable for trips to the moon and Mars. But another prototype has just been destroyed during a test. Is the program still on course?

Königsmann: The program is clearly separated from our work with the "Crew Dragon". It's all about research. We want to see how far you can go with certain things. The goal is to learn as much as possible in a short time. If there are setbacks in the process, that naturally slows us down. But that is part of it.

SPIEGEL: So when does the Starship fly for the first time?

Königsmann: I expect the first test flights at an altitude of, let's say, 150 metres in the coming weeks. We'll do that a few times. If everything works out, we want to enter Earth orbit at the end of the year. But maybe it will take a little longer.

SPIEGEL: SpaceX is to deliver technology to Nasa for the moon landing. Will it really be possible to have an American on the lunar surface by 2024?

Königsmann: That is ambitious and won't be easy. But if we get the appropriate resources, it is quite possible.

SPIEGEL: You once said in an interview that you would feel too old for a Mars flight. Would you at least have ambitions for the moon?

Königsmann: I'd like to take back what I said about Mars. If it goes quickly, maybe I'm not too old after all. And I could also imagine the moon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 15:17:38 2020 No.11755395 >>11755359 >Germans lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 15:20:15 2020 No.11755408 >>11755359 Was that pre sn4?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 15:21:49 2020 No.11755413 >>11754276 2022.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 15:22:46 2020 No.11755415 >>11754276 Unmanned to Mars between 2025 and 2030, crewed probably 2035+

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 15:24:57 2020 No.11755422 >>11755415 I think you mean 2024

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 15:26:54 2020 No.11755426 >>11755408 Post

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 15:30:27 2020 No.11755438 File: 166 KB, 2517x1244, Starship-Boca-Chica-052320-NASASpaceflight-bocachicagal-SN5-SN6-work-1-crop-c.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Sn5 Sn6 and Sn7 unironically make me hopeful for a 2022 starship flight. Theyre moving really fast

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 15:31:01 2020 No.11755440 >>11755359 >If everything works out, we want to enter Earth orbit at the end of the year. But maybe it will take a little longer. Orbit within a year? HYPE

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 15:38:42 2020 No.11755462 >>11755408 I think it was right after SN4 exploded and before Crew Dragon launched, but i haven't used my (poor) german in years

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 15:40:55 2020 No.11755470 >>11755440 >>11755462 I wonder if SN5 will be able to hop quickly

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 15:44:52 2020 No.11755479
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>>11754306
Manned is not going to happen with current technology and attitudes.
Even if your rocket doesn't crash on landing like 60% of all attempts have, your body would be a mess form the various effects of space travel.
>If you don't mind taking massive losses on the launch pad, on the journey, the landing, and after,
>if you don't mind recruiting prisoners and strapping them to beds for months at at time to simulate low gravity then pumping them full of experimental drugs...
Then yes it could be done sooner.
>>11755415
This is more reasonable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 15:46:53 2020 No.11755487 >>11755479 >Manned is not going to happen with current technology and attitudes. Elaborate because this opinion is retarded

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 15:47:32 2020 No.11755491 >>11754306 Also don't forget Elon always underestimates his goals for whatever reason

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 15:54:58 2020 No.11755514 >>11755491 Which ones has that happened with?

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 15:58:42 2020 No.11755527

>>11755487
150-300 days in zero G to get there. Have you what astronauts look like when they arrive back from the space station? They can't walk and have to be carried out of the capsule. Then there's the fact that if something goes wrong pretty much anywhere after low earth orbit, there is no rescue. You can't even do remote surgery in real time, the radio lag is average 13 minutes. It's like conquering Everest before oxygen. People these days don't take that sort of risk.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 16:00:07 2020 No.11755532 >>11755514 https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/02/tech/elon-musk-predictions/index.html

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 16:01:59 2020 No.11755538 >>11755527 Good thing that NASA isn't the one taking the risk. Also the ISS has largely fixed the issues with muscle density loss

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 16:07:44 2020 No.11755553 >>11755532 He gave a 7-10 year estimate for mars which makse sense 2025-2028 is reasonable. All of the other promises are from other companies that have to deal with a lot more red tape

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 17:00:06 2020 No.11755702

>>11754342
>implying all of your hobbies like video games and smoking weed are for purely economic reasons
you're just jealous he has cooler hobbies than you and the cash to fund it.

Dude his other businesses like Tesla and launching satellites are how he bank rolls his hobby.

Look at Gates. His hobby of elongating African lives is as anti-economy as it gets. It's labeled a Charity for a reason- cause there's no godamn money to be made off of it

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 17:01:29 2020 No.11755708 >>11754276 If they have one ready, I expect they will throw a tanker at Mars in 2022. It's the cheapest version they could put together that would still be useful, and they'll need the empty tanks for a fuel plant anyway.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 17:03:28 2020 No.11755716 >>11755708 As for manned visits, the soonest I could see is a 2026 window mission. 2028 is more likely, because I bet they will test and perfect some of their equipment on the moon during the Artemis program.

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 17:16:04 2020 No.11755767

>>11755708
I kind of hope they add something to the payload as well. Something cheap but necessary. I agree that they will probably throw a prototype at mars in 2022 because the data on the attempt is more important than anything, its the same process that getting to orbit requires. The big issue is if they don't send one by 2022 it delays the whole program

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 17:17:47 2020 No.11755775 >>11755716 thats kind of the cool thing, 2022 an unmanned mission, 2024 a moon mission and 2026 a mars crew mission. That means structures by 2030 probably.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 17:26:11 2020 No.11755814 >>11755338 >Once a colony is established, economic opportunities spring up. Only if the colony has something to offer. Martian rock isn't tobacco

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 18:04:47 2020 No.11755957

>>11755814
The world has changed from colonial times and so has the economics of the world. People will move to mars for various reasons and spacex/NASA are footing the bill for building. That means infrastructure, logistics, entertainment, service industry, IT, medical, manufacturing and waste management opportunities. You misunderstand the amount of people who will leave for a new life, plus once transportation gets easier you have a planet of resources without needing to watch emissions, fight for property rights or worry about activists.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 18:06:25 2020 No.11755967 >>11755775 >sci fi, the post

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 18:08:51 2020 No.11755978 >>11755967 Sorry its scheduled anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 18:11:28 2020 No.11755984 >>11754626 Give or take 15 years.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 18:12:29 2020 No.11755988 >>11755148 Whoever build the rocket ship first (obv it will be cephalopedal robot).

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 18:34:34 2020 No.11756024 File: 89 KB, 2338x1222, Starship-Boca-Chica-051920-NASASpaceflight-bocachicagal-SN4-test-prep-4-crop-c.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11755708 What are the chances that this happens?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 19:43:44 2020 No.11756259 >>11755479 the 60% of attempts are from when trying to control orbiters and landers with 40 minute delays from hundreds of millions of km away, being up close and personal you can adjust everything properly in real time

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 20:14:50 2020 No.11756356 >>11756259 Not that you would need to

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 21:30:16 2020 No.11756533 >>11756259 Should be all automated with a manual override anyway

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 21:42:43 2020 No.11756559 >>11755702 >y-y-you're just jealous of how c-cool Elon is god i want redditors off this site

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 21:45:08 2020 No.11756567 >>11755702 >His hobby of elongating African lives is as anti-economy as it gets the man is singlehandedly trying to create a new market for microsoft computers. It's the most capitalist thing a capitalist could do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 21:48:00 2020 No.11756571 >>11755814 implying world governments don't already invest heavily in welfare programs supporting people and places with nothing to offer

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 22:51:28 2020 No.11756719 >>11756571 Exactly.

Anonymous Tue Jun 2 23:05:33 2020 No.11756756

>>11754342
Normally I would agree with you, but that's the entire point of Starlink. He made up that company in order to make billions via providing better internet for others (rural areas all over the world) at the highest speed possible. In fact, it was just announced that the US army is going to most likely fund him for it so that they can use it too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 2 23:08:34 2020 No.11756767 >>11756756 Yep and they've been pretty transparent about starlink funding the colony.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 01:35:28 2020 No.11757099 >>11756571 >>11756719 >too smart for Economics 101

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 04:55:53 2020 No.11757402 File: 55 KB, 607x800, time-1003390.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11755395 Yep it's laughable how americans can't do anything in space without them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 05:05:52 2020 No.11757414 >>11755148 *black_guy_holding_back white guy.png

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 05:20:35 2020 No.11757429 >>11755978 In elon years though, you need to convert that in physical years.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 06:05:17 2020 No.11757481 >>11757429 Elon has been pretty accurate with space projects

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 06:29:45 2020 No.11757518 >>11754535 They should paint these habitats in some green or floral patterns, otherwise they look depressing

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 13:11:52 2020 No.11758196 >>11755359 Imagine having a career where you actively prepare to place yourself on Mars, he's living the dream

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 13:24:17 2020 No.11758216 >>11754414 SpaceX will never have those means unless the taxpayers pay for it, and it'd be a hard sell for the government to convince people it's a good idea to put people on some barren shithole ~75,000,000 km away.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 13:26:26 2020 No.11758222 >>11754557 >NASA would send less qualified individuals to fucking Mars in order to score points with SJWs It must be interesting to live in a fantasy world like yours. Dreadful, but interesting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 13:46:57 2020 No.11758272 >>11758196 I wish I could get in on it. I did some Mars project in architecture uni but those shits are a dimanond dozen

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 13:49:06 2020 No.11758281
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>>11755527
>150-300 days in zero G to get there

Wrong, it takes 80 - 150 days, same as an average stay on ISS. Only unmanned craft will use longer trip times.

>Have you what astronauts look like when they arrive back from the space station? They can't walk and have to be carried out of the capsule.

Nope, that are just not used to walking but can walk just fine after short practice. Zero-g on bones and muscles degeneration is greatly decreased with proper exercise:

https://spacenews.com/resistive-targeted-exercise-reversed-astronauts-bone-loss-study-finds/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 14:04:40 2020 No.11758303 >>11754276 Unmanned 2024. Manned not before 2030, there is so much more than just the Starship that needs to be done before a manned return flight to Mars can happen.

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 14:08:57 2020 No.11758310

>>11754276
No one really knows what "realistic" means. What is "realistic" to NASA? 2040s. What is "realistic" to Chinese? Probably 2040s. What is "realistic" to SpaceX Starship? Probably mid-late 2020s. Realistic in this case depends on each organization. From SpaceX's POV, mid-late 2020s is very much realistic.

Then there's also the "realistic" as an average of SpaceX/NASA/Chinese/etc that public tries to use to gauge SpaceX's timeline. That comes out to ~2030s. This is probably the wrong metric.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 14:41:28 2020 No.11758399 >>11758216 >SpaceX will never have those means unless the taxpayers pay for it Starlink is estimated to make 50 bil a year. You really need to research before you post.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 14:42:30 2020 No.11758403 >>11758222 >less qualified Is what i said and you are living in a fantasy world if you ignore it. Look at the shuttle program

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 14:45:24 2020 No.11758412 >>11758303 >there is so much more than just the Starship that needs to be done before a manned return flight to Mars can happen. It won't be a NASA flight

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 14:49:52 2020 No.11758427 >>11758310 >No one really knows what "realistic" means. Are you retarded? Realistic means what is likely or doable for SpaceX because it is their vehicle that they are making

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 14:52:05 2020 No.11758431 >>11757518 I think the brown looks nice, dark green would be nice but any patterns are going to look bad coated in martian dust

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 14:53:12 2020 No.11758437 File: 271 KB, 1448x2048, EYbw14KWAAEmjAJ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11754276 2022 baby be ready!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 14:53:57 2020 No.11758440 >>11754429 what do you think the military is? but in the end if you mange to do it your country is better off for it.

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 14:54:12 2020 No.11758442

>>11758216
>it'd be a hard sell for the government to convince people it's a good idea to put people on some barren shithole ~75,000,000 km away.

Government is paying $$ several billion per year right now for a plan to land on the Moon. NASA is probably the most popular government agency.

If SpaceX can demonstrate a working Starship, taxpayer funding will be provided.

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 14:58:21 2020 No.11758451
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>>11758216
look at how many retards signed up for pic related. There will be plenty of neets, plebbiters and neckbeards who sign up for it and get stuck there doing labor for a year. Also plenty of people are gonna want to be able to say they worked on mars. I see the post engineer & scientist only phase being mostly temporary workers until it gets built up.

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 15:00:23 2020 No.11758455

>>11758427
But what does that mean when you extrapolate it to SpaceX? Do you believe their 2022 timeline for unmanned space? 2024-2026? Or do you say Its impossible for SpaceX to do and requires NASA, which would put the date back to 2030s/40s at best.

There is nothing about Starship that is equivalent to reality. Starship is entirely new, radical, and extremely large. So all the "realistic" jugdement requires people to make personal judgment on what realistic means. Whether they take NASA avg, SpaceX avg, industry avg, or some asspull number. This is why "realistic" metric is such an issue.

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 15:22:04 2020 No.11758505
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>>11758455
As Elon said its ambitious but doable in 2 years and will definitely be done in 4. Which makes sense considering their testing progress.
>There is nothing about Starship that is equivalent to reality. Starship is entirely new, radical, and extremely large.
Its a rocket anon, sure its heavy lift but it is a rocket similar to the company's falcon rocket. It is not something completely new. NASA will be involved because they want to be, they already gave SpaceX 6 months of starship funding through the artemis program and most likely will find ways to indirectly pay them. I do not believe SpaceX needs NASA to accomplish their goals like some here do. Elon Musk is the lead engineer and owner of the company, his words have weight and i would believe them. Even if you do not you have to look at what is already done. The engines are already designed and tested, they did a prototype hop with starhopper, they have done numerous tests on the tank design and were weeks away from a hop with the tank. They still have 2 years of development to get a working prototype to launch unmanned, that is feasible especially when they are steel and being made as rapidly as they are right now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 15:26:32 2020 No.11758514 >>11758505 I should add that i am not talking about a crew mission as that has many factors outside of the control of SpaceX

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 15:27:20 2020 No.11758515

>>11758505
Its a rocket. Built in scrapyard. Costing pennies on the dollar compared to equivalent rocket. That can carry more payloads than any other rocket in history. Can land. Can refuel in space. With ambitious timeline that will make you question their sanity.

There is nothing alike. Even Falcon 9 is more of a generational shift from traditional rocket. Starship is an entirely new rocket equation.

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 15:37:37 2020 No.11758536
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>>11758515
Falcon heavy showed them a lot, and the rocket is the same concept. You are right that there are a lot of unique challenges and aspects of the rockets that are new to this world but an uncrewed mission will not need many of those for the first flight. It is very impressive and probably won't happen in 2 years but its possible, maybe even probable

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 15:41:01 2020 No.11758541 >>11758451 How will these pods be protected from asteroids?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 15:45:13 2020 No.11758546 >>11758541 They won't, it was a scam that got people who wanted to live on mars to buy tickets even though they had zero ways to get there or plans to do it

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 15:46:16 2020 No.11758548 >>11758541 >https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_One

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 15:48:55 2020 No.11758553 >>11758515 So far, the only thing it can do is explode after 5 extremely short static fires. It can't do shit yet. It's a fucking tank in a bog in Texas.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 15:57:00 2020 No.11758578 >>11758553 For pretty minor reasons. Plus they already have 3 more partially built

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 15:58:15 2020 No.11758581 >>11758578 Yes, they're still nothing more than tanks in a bog in Texas. They can't do anything, yet. Stop talking about it as if it's a done deal and it's flying already.

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 16:05:18 2020 No.11758609

>>11758581
They were a week from a hop and the tanks passed some very significant tests. Starhopper was significant, the raptor is significant. Everything they have done is significant. Just because you can't understand engineering does not mean that their progress isn't significant.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 16:06:18 2020 No.11758614 >>11758609 Dude, you're a fucking cultist.

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 16:09:12 2020 No.11758624

>>11758553
This is small brain thinking. Unless you have proof that SpaceX bankrupts tomorrow, you need to extrapolate the R/D of Starship in the pace of their development, which is extremely fast rate of pace. Few blow ups of initial test products does not indicate future blow ups. Each new blow up is a different point of failure mode that has been addressed. Now add those up, and you get a more prettier picture. If you don't understand how this works. Imagine learning riding a bicycle. First few times, you'll fall off the bike. Once you learn to coast, you'll fall few more times until you get the hang of it. The biggest hurdles are at the early stage. The more they break early, the faster they master the intricacies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 16:25:51 2020 No.11758676 >>11754501 Capitalism is basically magic though. Graph goes up world be gooder, can't explain that.

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 16:30:39 2020 No.11758685

>>11758581

Their effort is real, their effort is serious, their effort is expanding over time, their accomplishments on realizing that effort increase as time passes, time will pass and more will be accomplished and realized. Bake that into your thinking.

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 17:00:18 2020 No.11758790

>>11758614
>ad hominem
Sure bud. Sorry for paying attention. SpaceX is the reason we are even talking about space exploration in a near future scenario, they have dominated the satellite market, they've sent a heavy payload rocket to space which hasn't been done in decades, they solved the booster landing and reusable issue that was thought impossible with current tech prior, they've already sent up hundreds of satellites for their starlink network and are planned to send over a dozen more rockets up by September. They have singlehandedly pushed the space sector to become relevant again. So call me a cultist if you want but the reality is that their company is pushing the boundaries at a pace quicker than ever and they continually prove people like you wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 17:37:04 2020 No.11758919 >>11758624 This is the correct way to look at it. The pace they are going with these early tests are super promising.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 17:58:26 2020 No.11758982 File: 45 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault (11).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] God i want to see SN5 welded already

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 18:02:49 2020 No.11758991 >>11758281 2035 seems promising

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 18:03:12 2020 No.11758992

>>11755814
Ilmenite exists in the martian dust and can be taken out of it and separated from the magnetite, hematite, and chromite by exploiting their magnetic properties
The low atmospheric pressure, lack of oxygen, and reduced danger to human population centers make titanium production a potential economic activity a colony could perform

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 18:46:37 2020 No.11759097 File: 35 KB, 510x510, efmgjfcxuaepgfb-510x510-c-ar1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11758991 2035 we should already have permanent structures and a few missions under our belt. 2030 is an accurate manned mission picture

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 18:47:24 2020 No.11759098 >>11754276 Never ever.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 18:50:14 2020 No.11759109 >>11755162 Oh the cringe. Screencap >>11755162 everyone, remember to post it in a few years.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 18:51:40 2020 No.11759112 >>11759109 Not him but i can't wait to gloat in 2024

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 18:55:15 2020 No.11759119 >>11758992 Think about the industrial opportunities if you can make shipments cheap

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 18:59:44 2020 No.11759130 >>11754361 That color way is beautiful

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 19:02:57 2020 No.11759140 >>11759130 It is, i wonder what it will actually look like

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 19:03:26 2020 No.11759143 >>11754291 >Probably never gonna happen in our lifetime, no strong economic incentive to do so Elon Musk wants to do it so it will happen.

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 19:04:25 2020 No.11759148

>>11759119
If orbital refueling were made possible by infrastructure and momentum exchange structures like skyhooks built in Mars orbit, the cost could be brought down significantly from what an Earth-launched mission going to Mars and returning with material would cost

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 19:06:41 2020 No.11759158 >>11754342 >You are thinking like this billionaire has billions of dollar laying around that he can do anything with. That's not how it is Yes it is. A CEO has autocratic control of their corporation if there’s no shareholders.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 19:07:43 2020 No.11759160 >>11754352 >SpaceX alone isnt enough to achieve required technologies in that short amount of time. Tech existed years ago

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 19:07:52 2020 No.11759162
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>>11759143
Its unbelievable to me that people still think incentive is a barrier. Elon Musk is willing it to happen NASA, SpaceX are Behind him entirely and his company is about to have almost unlimited funding.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 19:08:44 2020 No.11759166 >>11754404 Don’t care about that junk. Mars is cooler >>11754421 >it gives you the sense that you live in a golden age. ....No?

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 19:11:11 2020 No.11759173

>>11754505
>However, the idea they are a private company is just stupid.

You’re confused. “Private” company in this context means it has no shareholders. You can’t buy stock. A public company has shareholders and stock. As of now, Elon Musk owns SpaceX like I own my socks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 19:11:56 2020 No.11759174 >>11754404 Who gives a fuck about mansions? Not even wealthy people have that as a goal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 19:12:48 2020 No.11759180 >>11754656 Will you cry when it inevitably happens before 2040?

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 19:16:02 2020 No.11759194

>>11759162
>Its unbelievable to me that people still think incentive is a barrier

There is an “incentive” but it’s not directly monetary. Group of people exist and have existed who colonize places and move there simply because they want to have their own place; a new start. I guarantee you that the Mormon Church will establish a colony, and likely racial supremacists, or communists, or whoever wants to try a utopia of their own vision.

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 19:32:40 2020 No.11759256
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>>11759194
Right all you have to do is look at mars one to see how many people are willing. But that isn't even the point, Elon's goal is a martian colony and he has the resources to start one. There is no need for an economic incentive to start one or fill it full of people. That will be enough to make it happen until economics catch up.

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 19:45:59 2020 No.11759297

>>11754313

>starship keeps exploding

They're on SN4 dude. Raptor isn't even fully mature as an engine yet, they're still iterating on it. They've gone from a functional mockup to a 150m hop, to a series of pressurization tests, to a several static fires including one with a 2 ton payload simulator. All in the span of about 5 months. That's an immense amount of progress, considering SLS took a fucking decade to go from nothing to a production ready test article. It's not even going to fly crew and there's a 50% possibility that it will blow up halfway to orbit. It also costs half a billion dollars to launch.

IF Starship is still exploding by SN10, there's a clear problem. It's far too early to pass that kind of a judgement and I'm being objective about it.

>Shotwell said it would be a major failure if Starship isn't flying humans in 2023

2023 is 2 and a half years away chief. Boca Chica factory has fully assembled SN5 and SN6, with SN7 ready for assembly and SN8 in pre-production. SN4 also lasted about 2-3 weeks worth of testing. Assuming a similar shelf life of SN5 and SN6, you're looking about another month to month and half of testing between these two articles (also assuming no LoV). Current information suggests that Starship will be likely do a 2km hop next via SN5 or SN6. SN7 would see a 20km hop where they'll test out the bellyflop and see how the ship does. SN8 and SN9 will be iterating on that, and SN10 will likely be an orbital test article.

All along this journey, as they get closer to SN10, I imagine they'll start iterating on Super Heavy, which is basically Starship but taller and without a tapered cone on the top.

>The Starship design has changed again recently, now losing its flaps entirely.

[ CITATION NEEDED ]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 20:02:42 2020 No.11759342 >>11759297 Honestly I think they will rush a hop on SN5

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 20:16:16 2020 No.11759393

>>11754379

Bruh, a 12,000 satellite Starlink constellation will generate SpaceX $3-5Bn/year in revenue. If you assume 1-1.5 billion of that will go purely to upkeep, then across a 5 year basis (shelf life of each satellite), SpaceX is earning 15-25Bn dollars. That is double the SLS budget to a company that is 100% vertically integrated. With that kind of money, they can expand Boca Chica into 3 separately operating Starship factories each producing 1 vehicles every 3 days or 6 Starships a week.

If SpaceX is able to get a payload capable Starship that can deploy TO orbit 400 Starlink satellites PER launch, that is the literal equivalent of 6.67 F9 Starlink launches. Even if the Starship on the way back down RUDs, its still WORTH the cost of each Starship, because you're likely looking at a 5mil max build cost + another 5mil launch and logistics cost with 400 Satellites each able to generate revenue from ~600 potential customers. V1.0 Starlink sats have 60Gbps up/down, so if you offered 100/50 packages anywhere in the world for 60/mo, you're looking at $432k/annual revenue PER satellite. If this is load balanced across 400 satellites (linearly, napkin math faggots), you're looking at: 172.8M in revenue annually. Let's multiply that by 30 (to get to 12,000) and you get: 5.184Bn/year. Right on the money of the guess of 3-5Bn/year.

So SpaceX only has to build 30 successful payload launch capable Starships and arguably 1/3rd that in Super Heavy boosters to get 1/4th their mega constellation into orbit.

Which means that EVEN IF they are NOT flying humans to Mars in 2023, if they have 12k Starlink V1.0 Satellites in LEO with customers that in turn are generating revenue for SpaceX, they win.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 20:32:38 2020 No.11759469 >>11759393 >will generate SpaceX $3-5Bn/year in revenue. Where are you getting that number? It should be larger than that

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 20:40:01 2020 No.11759483 >>11759097 I think you are a bit too optimistic with the time frame seeing how the recent geopolitical situation will probably delay any heavy research and investment into space exploration.

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 21:23:57 2020 No.11759608

>>11759483
Not really spacex hasn't been really altered by this. Think about the timeline, the first unmanned flight leaves for mars in 2024, it will stay there permanently as a propellant tank. Then you will have more unmanned trips in 2026 and 2028 to stage equipment and test return flights. Then 2030 you will have a manned mission which will set up some infrastructure and test everything. NASA will most likely pay for a 3d printing rover to test their structure building for their artemis mission. Then you have 2032 and 2034. So thats up to 7 launch windows that they can start their mars infrastructure.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 21:43:34 2020 No.11759815 >>11758991 What about their current pace makes you think its going to take 15 fucking years from today to get starship to work.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 22:00:20 2020 No.11759898 File: 69 KB, 640x353, 1590796352241.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11759815 Exactly, its not Obama era NASA

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 22:05:16 2020 No.11759915 File: 10 KB, 250x221, RS.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11756567 ...blocks your path...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 22:24:09 2020 No.11759964 >>11759483 >will probably delay any heavy research and investment into space exploration. How?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 22:38:54 2020 No.11759995 >>11758790 sure thing bootlicker

Anonymous Wed Jun 3 22:52:04 2020 No.11760019

>>11754313
SpaceX's design philosophy is keep blowing shit up and learn from it. These starship prototypes aren't not exactly supposed to be functioning models. Like you said they're cheap and easy to make.

I'm not one to believe into Musk's optimism, but damn a decade ago I could never believe a private space company founded by a nobody with no degree in aerospace could get shit like the F9 working. I'd say starship will be up into orbit sometime during the next few years.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 22:53:50 2020 No.11760021 >>11754291 >no strong economic incentive inb4 not trolling and actually this braindead

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 23:13:13 2020 No.11760048 >>11759995 Get a new insult umbrella man

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 23:23:17 2020 No.11760056 >>11760019 Yeah its not being a fanboy at this point its just acknowledging the abilities of SpaceX

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 23:36:37 2020 No.11760072 >>11759109 >>11759112 How is it cringe, do you not expect it to be ready by then? They will at least have a working demo on the moon by 2023 mark my words

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 23:47:43 2020 No.11760099 >>11760072 I don't know why you linked my comment because i think 2022 will be an unmanned launch

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 3 23:49:50 2020 No.11760103 >>11760099 Ah I see

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 00:59:11 2020 No.11760259 File: 542 KB, 750x903, 1591244246582.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] God i want a hop soon. I just want to see it soon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 01:33:40 2020 No.11760333 >>11759469 I literally did the math for it in the same post. How did you not figure that out? What the fuck dude.

Anonymous Thu Jun 4 01:36:49 2020 No.11760338

>>11760019

Elon's got a B.S. in Physics from the University of Pennsylvania. You don't need a degree in aerospace to succeed in aerospace. You just need a solid stem degree and have the innate potential to basically absorb subject matter like a sponge and be able to direct it at full potential. Which is what he can do and does.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 01:45:31 2020 No.11760356 >>11759393 >~600 potential customers. It should be more than that...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 02:10:37 2020 No.11760407 2022

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 02:30:37 2020 No.11760430 >>11760338 Is there any evidence Elon does as much engineering as he claims and doesn't just rest on the laurels of his undoubtedly genius-filled team? "Head engineer" is just a fancy title, Elon can name himself whatever he wants as CEO.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 02:36:17 2020 No.11760440 >>11760048 don't really need to bootlicker

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 03:15:59 2020 No.11760504 >>11760430 He seems like he knows what he is doing

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 03:17:00 2020 No.11760511 >>11760440 why is tankie speak on /sci/?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 03:17:25 2020 No.11760513 >>11760440 why is tankie speak on /sci/?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 03:29:03 2020 No.11760532 >>11754276 Anyone know when SN5 will be ready for testing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 03:49:39 2020 No.11760571 File: 79 KB, 1440x810, Starship moon lander.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11754276 I'm really hoping for 2022

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 03:58:04 2020 No.11760588 >>11760440 Communist go away

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 04:04:56 2020 No.11760609 >>11754276 >realistic date April 1st

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 04:13:19 2020 No.11760634 >>11760609 of what year?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 04:17:28 2020 No.11760643 >>11760634 erry year is a fool's year

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 04:19:10 2020 No.11760647 >>11754325 >breeding on mars Not happening. Mars is going to be homonationalist clay.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 04:22:14 2020 No.11760658 File: 182 KB, 990x1427, 1569992292197.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11760647 No its true traditionalist clay. my tradwife will be harvesting Martian wheat

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 04:22:39 2020 No.11760662 >>11760019 It took 20 years for SpaceX to build something that's a lesser to the SLS. No way Starship flies crew anywhere before 2030.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 04:24:02 2020 No.11760667 >>11760658 Men are from Mars, women are from Venus. The only childbearing women on Mars would be artificial wombs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 04:40:35 2020 No.11760704 >>11760667 Maybe we should colonize venus then

Anonymous Thu Jun 4 04:43:27 2020 No.11760713

>>11759173
If your company is bankrolled by the government, you don't own anything. Since they can cut you off at a whim and leave you for dead.

Nearly every scientific invention has been done through taxpayer money. None have ever been done privately.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 04:45:08 2020 No.11760720 >>11760504 *He seems like he knows how to take credit for what he is doing. Musk does very little engineering. He is the figurehead. I have friends who have worked for SpaceX and directly worked with Musk who confirm this.

Anonymous Thu Jun 4 04:46:35 2020 No.11760722

>>11760713
>t:NASA shill
You are honestly retarded, there are plenty of civilian satellite customers on the market and with starlink they won't need funding. The only thing government space programs has shown us is that left alone it turns into a corrupt welfare system

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 04:47:32 2020 No.11760723 >>11760259 Same, anon. Same.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 04:47:38 2020 No.11760725 >>11760720 weird because i have friends who worked for spacex that said otherwise

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 04:52:18 2020 No.11760736 >>11760725 weird because i have friends who work for spacex that say otherwise

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 05:06:03 2020 No.11760778 >>11760513 >>11760588 t. bootlickers

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 05:20:34 2020 No.11760805 >>11760722 t. bootlicker

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 05:25:52 2020 No.11760822 >>11760736 Weird because I work for spacex and have no friends.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 05:41:05 2020 No.11760861 >>11760778 All commies are brainlets, go away

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 05:42:58 2020 No.11760864 >>11760822 I work for Energomash and screw whores every day.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 05:53:33 2020 No.11760885 >>11760864 I work for rocketdyne and I'm in a nursing home

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 06:12:50 2020 No.11760908 >>11760704 >a planet filled with women No thanks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 06:23:54 2020 No.11760921 >>11754476 National Syndicalism

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 06:26:42 2020 No.11760925 >>11759180 He's posting from 2000, give him some slack

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 06:33:51 2020 No.11760935 >>11759098 Are you a flat earther?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 07:06:15 2020 No.11760976 >>11760921 That's just a fancy way of Nazism without government

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 08:40:58 2020 No.11761175 >>11758442 >NASA is probably the most popular government agency. Literally untrue. Most Americans wont NASA funded less, as they think it gets a lot more than it really does

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 08:49:38 2020 No.11761193 >>11761175 The most popular US government agency is probably between the IRS, Social Security Administration or Medicaid / Medicare because they give free stuff.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 08:54:31 2020 No.11761211 >>11754476 direct democracy, presided by a person titled Elon

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 08:55:55 2020 No.11761214 >>11761175 Wrong. >as they think it gets a lot more than it really does And want to fund it more once they learn how much NASA gets.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 13:02:37 2020 No.11761830 >>11754309 I'll eat my own shit if they launch one of these by 2022. At the rate these things are blowing up it'll be 2024 or later, and that doesn't take into account the inevitable safety concerns that this deathship is going to have.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 13:05:40 2020 No.11761843 we're not even going to get humans on the moon in time for 2024

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 13:22:55 2020 No.11761908 >>11761830 I saved your comment anon. You better livestream the shit eating

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 13:29:24 2020 No.11761936 >>11755814 Science and catering to them would be the economy. That is more than enough for the first century. Tens of millions of scientists would descend on Mars if it were trivial.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 13:53:08 2020 No.11761993 >>11761936 I don't think the population of useless geology majors is quite as large as you think it is

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 14:28:52 2020 No.11762099 >>11761908 Don't feed his fetish.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 14:34:09 2020 No.11762117 >>11761993 >>11761936 Its not going to be just scientists once structures are built. You will have a lot of working jobs that neets will take because muh mars and then hate their lives for a year

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 14:36:07 2020 No.11762130 everyone yelling about what the first person to step foot on mars will look like forgets that starship wont have a ladder, it'll have an elevator. a whole group of people can step foot on mars for the first time, at the same time :)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 14:40:17 2020 No.11762141 >>11762130 Lets hope, but you and i both know it will be a bisexual transgender black aborigine irish woman

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 14:55:55 2020 No.11762170 >>11760805 t. bootlicker

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 14:58:19 2020 No.11762176 Sn5 is almost setup so I'd say 2022 is promising

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 15:34:05 2020 No.11762271 >>11762130 Good, because the outrage and whine if the first man on Mars happens to be a man would echo across the eons. The same in reverse with incels.

Anonymous Thu Jun 4 15:47:38 2020 No.11762304
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Now, lets talk about the viabilty of mobile suits in space. Can they work? Would they replace fighter jets if warfare ever became space centric?
If we succesfully stablish colonies in outer space, would you support them having independence from any country that established them?
Truly questions for the ages

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 15:48:05 2020 No.11762305 >>11762271 Oh man i didn't think of this. I hope they make the first on mars a white male just to troll people.

Anonymous Thu Jun 4 15:50:18 2020 No.11762310

>>11762304
>Can they work?
No
>Would they replace fighter jets if warfare ever became space centric?
No
>If we succesfully stablish colonies in outer space, would you support them having independence from any country that established them?
No
/a/ is that way->

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 15:50:30 2020 No.11762312 Serious question - would we need to send up people like dentists, opthamogistts and therapists to Mars?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 15:52:40 2020 No.11762318 >>11762312 Yes, eventually every service will be needed but i would assume medical personnel will be needed pretty quickly. The goal is a permanent presence on mars and if that is the case they will need people who can take care of others.

Anonymous Thu Jun 4 16:04:57 2020 No.11762348

>>11762312

In the short term I presume the people would be healthy enough, and enough of GO GETTERs to either not have health problems or to be able to solve them on their own.

Like, if you absolutely had to survive, I am sure there is a way to maintain bare minimum long term healthy teeth on your own.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 16:08:46 2020 No.11762357 >>11762348 I mean I've needed a root canal treatment and they're a bitch and need to be fixed quickly. And glaucomas are pretty serious. Isn't a jack of all trades doctor pretty risky?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 16:10:44 2020 No.11762363 >>11762357 Yeah i doubt Dentists will be sent on the first few trips but i assume doctors and dentists will be needed soon after

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 16:37:33 2020 No.11762438 >>11754479 You would have to build a a ton of nuclear reactors, run massive desalination plants, pump that and spray it everywhere. Ownership is obvious

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 16:41:21 2020 No.11762450 >>11762438 Plus if you fuck up you fuck up the earth. If you fuck up on mars you just try again

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 4 16:59:08 2020 No.11762509 >>11760713 Which government? Because there are a lot of them willing to pay up for those capabilities. Not to mention numerous private companies

Anonymous Thu Jun 4 17:06:47 2020 No.11762530

>>11762509
There are many governments willing to pay to promote space industry? No. The UK had a space industry and decided against pursuing it seriously. Heck, even Lebanon did too. The US literally propped up Russia's space industry after the USSR fell.

Anonymous Thu Jun 4 17:29:00 2020 No.11762625

>>11762357

Yeah but, how does one end up needing a root canal to begin with? Imagine you were in a condition, where, if you got need a root canal some time for the rest of your life, you would die, couldnt you find a way to prevent it in advance?

Furthermore, imagine you were on mars, and you had some basic medical equipment. And your bottom line objective was not to die. You could lose the tooth, endure a ton of pain, whatever. Just dont die. Couldnt a handful of non-doctors work together to get the job done?

Anonymous Thu Jun 4 17:42:39 2020 No.11762658

>>11762625
>Yeah but, how does one end up needing a root canal to begin with? Imagine you were in a condition, where, if you got need a root canal some time for the rest of your life, you would die, couldnt you find a way to prevent it in advance?

The decrease in gravity has been known to fuck with the human body though (eg: cause muscular atrophy, hence why astronauts need to do a ton of exercise in low gravity situations).

>The human body is designed to survive in a 1-g environment of Earth. It is possible that mierogravity (0.38-g) of Mars may have some detrimental effects on the physiology of human body. It has been reported that dental caries, periodontitis, alveolar bone loss, fractures of jaw bones, numbness of teeth and soft tissues of oral cavity, stones of salivary duct and oral cancer are all more prevalent in simulated mierogravity as compared to Earth. This review article aims to describe the detrimental effects of arduous conditions of Mars on the oral cavity of humans, their possible explanations and probable solutions.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305157842_Mission_mars_A_Dentist's_Perspective

So maintaining teeth health is pretty important.

>Furthermore, imagine you were on mars, and you had some basic medical equipment. And your bottom line objective was not to die. You could lose the tooth, endure a ton of pain, whatever. Just dont die.

But people can suffer with not just losing their teeth but fucking up their oral cavity in general. I mean, it's pretty important for eatings and speaking.

>Couldnt a handful of non-doctors work together to get the job done?

That's what I want to know, but I am not a dentist. I just think that it's a pretty specialised area but then I ask the same thing with eye doctors and therapists etc.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 03:23:08 2020 No.11764097 bump the interesting thread

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 03:51:27 2020 No.11764129 File: 60 KB, 1440x810, Starship1-1440x810.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Do you guys think theyll have SN5 on the stand tonight? they already have so many there

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 05:13:06 2020 No.11764201 >>11764097 same

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 15:54:27 2020 No.11765484 >>11755415 Probably this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 16:41:09 2020 No.11765578 Will we get "live" video of the first Mars landing like we did of the Moon landing?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 16:43:18 2020 No.11765585 >>11765578 The time lag sounds like complete aids to deal with.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 16:46:21 2020 No.11765590 File: 90 KB, 849x871, 1588115639380.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11754325 >SpaceX is a private company; they don't need profit

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 16:48:49 2020 No.11765596 >>11765590 5D capitalism

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 18:10:03 2020 No.11765809

>>11765590
Privately-held company; its shares are not actively traded on any of the stock exchanges, and Ol'Musky holds a majority of its ownership. Now obviously SpaceX needs to bring in enough revenue to cover its expenses, but after that SpaceX can spend its profits however Musk wants them spent. It doesn't have a pile of shareholders electing board members who only want short term profits.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 18:18:53 2020 No.11765834 >>11754276 First unmanned probe was Mariner 9 in 1971.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 22:02:49 2020 No.11766405 File: 5 KB, 225x224, 1591396906535.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11754291 >no strong economic incentive to do so

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 23:09:50 2020 No.11766564
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>>11754276
Using rockets is for retards. Einsteins theory of relatively plus electromagnetism and the use of nuclear power in some way. Current rocket technology for space travel is equivalent to using a pool straw while out in the ocean you're gonna sink. Rockets are for dumbasses

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 23:25:05 2020 No.11766602

No economic motivation, and with the US just years away from balkanization and decline into irrelevancy it will come to China to do it first. But they're not going to either, because again there's no economic motivation. A manned Mars mission would be insanely expensive.

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 23:30:46 2020 No.11766621

>>11765590
that is literally how privately owned companies work, I know a guy who runs a cafe at a loss as his hobbie, but its still a business he sells his baked good and coffe blends, but there are just not enough client to make it wort the expense of keeping it open. He doesn't stop though, he is retired and has money to burn.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 23:42:33 2020 No.11766646 >>11766602 >No economic motivation Elon Musk, SpaceX and starlink are funding it with the help of NASA contracts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 00:24:11 2020 No.11766722 >>11766564 Using rockets is weird considering different technology would probably be less risky if perfected

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 00:41:39 2020 No.11766753

>>11754311
>>11754317
>>11754337
>>11754345
>>11754350
>>11754386
>>11754389
>>11754394
>>11754401
>>11754414
The economic incentive is marketing to OMG DUDE SPACE manchildren to keep leeching public funding and selling gimmicks until it's 2050 and they've done fuck all. There is no true intention of getting there or doing anything with it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 02:16:11 2020 No.11766935 >>11754311 The economic incentive is that people will get paid by Elon if they make it happen, retard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 04:24:15 2020 No.11767218 File: 180 KB, 220x219, tenor (4).gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11766564 Rockets is the equivalent of broscience. It's literally just a waste of resources and time.

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 04:31:49 2020 No.11767223

>>11754311
where’s the economic incentive in trade, publishing and luxury goods?
“Because we can” and “because we like to” are sufficient arguments. Besides, colonizing other planets/moons is an actual investment. Even if it doesn’t pay off for 100 years, humanity will profit immensely. That’s why economic systems exist in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 04:34:13 2020 No.11767228 >>11766722 such as? You should start writing your proposals, companies would pay you a shitton of money.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 04:36:06 2020 No.11767232 >>11766564 >in some way stop larping, faggot

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 04:47:27 2020 No.11767247

>>11767228
Well it's more about learning to create gravity on a smaller scale to move from one place to another. Going to the moon using that technology would probably be a good test instead of using rockets. Energy would have to be gigantic to power something like that, so you'd likely use a miniature nuclear reactor or some sort of anti matter energy reaction. Using that energy to create a gravitational field. The tricky part is if a vehicle can carry humans in there with relative ease because if not they'd just die. So it'd be really experimental, but I think it'd push science alot harder than the current rocket shit we have right now. I know I need to study more and get farther along with regards to physical forces but that's progress on a monumental scale regarding gravitational fields.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 04:54:56 2020 No.11767256 >>11767247 What even the fuck

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 05:48:50 2020 No.11767362

>>11767247
>create gravity
this is plainly nonsensical. You can’t just create energy like that. Ignoring the fact that there exists no known mechanism to transport energy in earth mass scales, or that these amounts of energy are impossible to just save up, conservation of momentum fucks you. If you want an earth mass in front of you to pull your craft, you’d have to keep accelerating that aswell. Otherwise you’s shoot mass behind you for acceleration, which is just a rocket.

>nuclear reactor
yea, we use these when probes get too far from the sun to power local instruments. If you mean to use nuclear explosions to accelerate your craft, you will be very disappointed to either see it turn to gas or be outperformed by conventional systems.
The same reasoning applies to antimatter fuckery, only that you need to tell us first where to find some barrels of it lying around. For storing energy you can’t get much more cost inefficient.

I sincerely appreciate the effort, but don’t shittalk something you obviously have no relevant knowledge about. Once you dive into the subject, you will realize that the people who collectively spend their whole lives doing exactly that actually know what they are doing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 06:06:03 2020 No.11767397 >>11754535 >the entire thing is big lump of thermoplastic build by a giant machine yeah, nah, my money is on ESA's hobbit holes built by a small rover

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 06:09:44 2020 No.11767403

>>11767247
Son if we knew how to change the gravitational field with something other than mass, we would have our whole solar system conquered by now. Rockets are crude yeah, but it’s the only way we know how to feasibly transport lots of mass across the solar system. The smartest people on Earth have been trying to think of other ways to do it. Rockets are the best we have until we get another Einstein or a miracle breakthrough

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 08:12:58 2020 No.11767628 >>11767397 >thermoplastic That's supposed to be concrete, the washboard texture gives it away

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 08:29:16 2020 No.11767658 >>11767628 I've watched their promotional video they said it's plastic maybe it was some composite or they edited it wrong

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 08:33:24 2020 No.11767665 >>11767658 That's retarded There are mineral hydrates to source water from, plenty of fine sand and gravel, and calcium carbonate in the regolith. Creating plastics with only carbon dioxide and water would require so many operations

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 08:57:43 2020 No.11767696 >>11767665 PLA with basalt fibre - they will also need a mineral fiber factory and basalt quary it looks kinda nice inside though

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 11:48:56 2020 No.11768038 >>11754291 >no strong economic incentive to do so Nigger are you serious?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 11:56:11 2020 No.11768049 >>11754481 In an environment where scientific knowledge is essential for survival, I believe a technocracy would be possible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 11:57:13 2020 No.11768053 >>11768049 Meant for >>11754476

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 12:01:23 2020 No.11768062 File: 146 KB, 1005x628, 1590869173123.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11757414

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 12:13:14 2020 No.11768084 >>11759173 Elon musk actually "only" owns 54% of the shares in the company, but you're right in saying that he has full control over the company. Google has an 8% share I believe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 12:15:39 2020 No.11768086 >>11765590 Yep, Elon Musk is free to blow as much money as he likes, unlike a public company, which has to actually make money (or have realistic potential to)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 12:16:58 2020 No.11768091 >>11754535 I just want to drill for gods sake

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 13:54:57 2020 No.11768279 >>11758676 Begone neo***eral.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 14:14:18 2020 No.11768307 >>11754361 >UN logo

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 14:34:54 2020 No.11768336

>>11754276
We can barely survive ourselves, let alone the impending doom of our planet. There is no imperative to explore space until we stop hating each other for petty reasons. Space programs will always be the first to receive budget cuts during any crisis because they're completely superfluous in our current era.

The original space program only existed as a tangent of the arms race between the US and USSR, part of the race to demonstrate technological superiority and ultimately a means only to check ICBM deployment. Star Wars was a fantasy on many levels but putting a man on the moon certainly made it look feasible.

>>11754297
Musk's incentive is ego, not economics. He wants to save the human race and be the hero, he's just a few hundred thousand years too early for it to be at all relevant. If he was truly a philanthropist, he'd invest his money in something meaningful.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 14:39:31 2020 No.11768345 >>11754276 If Elon has his way it will be 1 or 2 decades

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 14:58:09 2020 No.11768391 >>11760976 And that's a good thing

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 15:02:26 2020 No.11768406 >>11762530 If it gets cheap, I think many would want to sent things out with starship. We would probably see new, bigger space stations

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 15:16:05 2020 No.11768450 >>11766602 >with the US just years away from balkanization this is the saddest realization i've been having lately. the US is fucked

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 16:24:46 2020 No.11768674 >>11755957 Aww fuck yeah. Give me space ancapistan or give me death.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 17:46:58 2020 No.11768874 >>11754404 Just think about it.....from Mars it will take you 20 minutes to tell someone on EarthChan to fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 18:28:58 2020 No.11768993 >manned mission to mars under a decade Really? Have technology progressed that far?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:49:32 2020 No.11769598 >>11760072 >They will at least have a working demo on the moon by 2023 lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:28:55 2020 No.11769673 >>11768336 >nooooo you can't just do fun things you have to help the nigrinos

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 01:07:58 2020 No.11769838

>>11754313
well, the first couple to esplode were bad welds. they're trying to figure out how to mass-produce starship by welding stainless steel together under tents. and they're hiring shittons of new people so procedures have to be worked out; you will have failures.

The latest failure looks a lot like a failure of ground equipment, which gets rushed during the initial test phase, not totally unexpected here - they're moving really fast.

As far as the design changing, we are seeing three different designs now; one for crew, one for cargo/fueling, and one specifically for landing on the moon. I'm sure these will get merged as necessary.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 01:10:40 2020 No.11769848

>>11765578
too much lag, anon. we'll get video, but it will be fairly offset from real-time. given the bandwidth/distance issues, what we'll probably have is data that indicates success/failure, followed by voice confirmation, and then video possibly days or even weeks later.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 01:17:57 2020 No.11769863 >>11760662 >lesser to the SLS which one is flying? >SLS >gets thrown in the ocean every launch >costs 2B+ per launch yeah, no way SpaceX can compete with that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 01:54:48 2020 No.11769915 >>11758216 May I remind you if the fact that that has been dine before in history? first thing that comes to mind is Moon Landing, stuff like a war over the falcland islands... people have been paying for useless but “fun” stuff for literally ever

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 01:56:21 2020 No.11769917 >>11758222 NASA sent less qualified ppl to space&moon because they didn’t want to send anything but a white male. What’s your point?

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