Climate Blackpilled

[Anonymous No.11751183]

This paper claims that we have started a green house cascade that will make all agriculutre impossible in the future

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016328719303507#bib0335
>With the future climate instability already locked into the system by recent human activity we will most likely return to the climate volatility of the Pleistocene. Climate change will adversely affect agriculture in a number of ways including sea level rise, higher average temperatures, heat extremes, changes in rainfall patterns, and the loss of pollinators. Less understood changes include the effects on agricultural pests, soil composition, and the growth response of crops to rising CO2 levels.

Is it over lads?

[Anonymous No.11751220]

>>11751183
Warming would be good for agriculture in some areas, Russia, Canada, places where its cold now. Places near the equator are going to get fucked... but those places suck anyway, South America, Africa. Its harsh to say but we would probably be better off if they starved.

[Anonymous No.11751311]

>>11751220
>climate is a static thing confined to specific places

[Anonymous No.11751331]

>>11751183
Guess we’re going to find out if it’s possible to feed the world with vertical farming and stem cell grown meat.

[Anonymous No.11751333]

>>11751183
The author is an economist and has no business making predictions in the domain of climatology.

[Anonymous No.11751337]

>>11751183
>economist single author
>impact factor: 2
I wish I could write opinion tracks and have them published

[Anonymous No.11751361]

I think we can avoid civilization collapse if we act now and the bees don't go extinct. Send a letter to your representative telling them you want fossil fuel subsidies to be eliminated or funneled into renewable energy subsidies and all of the fossil fuel based companies will hop on the renewable energy or nuclear bandwagon to protect their profits. If you can put solar panels on your roof and get yourself 24 hours of energy storage. Buy an electric vehicle if you can afford it or a small, cheap car with good milage if you can't. Buy as many disposable charcoal products as is practical and don't burn any of them. Decrease your plastic use, recycle plastic and metals, compost or just toss compostables. Be mindful of the energy you use in all forms and try to save it when possible.

Whatever you do, don't just leave it to everyone else to solve.

[Anonymous No.11751374]

>>11751183
They've been saying this every year about 15 years from then for the past 25 years. Even if it's true, fuck it. We need an adventure and a genetic bottleneck. I doubt we won't a find a way out of it. Only solution in terms of tech is to make more advanced tech to bail us out or just go back to our huts.

[Anonymous No.11751377]

>>11751374
>They
Who?

[Anonymous No.11751384]

>>11751220
It's a net negative though. Much of our food comes from third world shitholes and other countries that would be negatively impacted.

[Anonymous No.11751386]

>>11751374
Ya buddy.. the genetic bottleneck isn't gonna be the one you think it is.
It's gonna be the people who function half decently on a few grains of rotten rice and a decomposing rat that get through.

[Anonymous No.11751400]

>>11751386
It’s much more likely that western governments will become significantly more isolationist and focus on maintaining a certain standard of living for their citizens while the rest of the world starves. Climate change is gonna fuck the global south, but Europe and North America have enough arable land and areas at cooler latitudes to make it through.

[Anonymous No.11751406]

>>11751400
If this study turns out correct then if I were you I'd get your kids started hunting squirrels if you don't want to be genetic dead end like everyone else.

[Anonymous No.11751424]

>>11751400
you know what. regardless of clmate change. social darwinists are retarded if they dont teach their many offpsring to eat rats. humans are depleting hih concentration sources of energy at an unsustainable rate and will soon be forced to start depleting lower sources of energy if they want to survive. lol fuck you and fuck your aryan offpsring

[Anonymous No.11751439]

>>11751220
The US would fast become a giant dustbowl. If the Siberian permafost melts all that methane will be the end of everything.

[Anonymous No.11751442]

>>11751400
You don't understand the scale of the catastrophe if you think that'll even be possible.

[Anonymous No.11751448]

If warming actually got that bad, at least one of the larger tropical countries would break out one of the various geoengineering solutions that have been proposed. The estimated cost for stuff like the aerosol injection or the oceanic cloud seeding is only in the low tens of billions of dollars annually, and either method could completely halt any plausible warming effect within a year. Obviously these methods are not a perfect fix, but it is silly to think those countries would just roll over and die without doing anything.

[Anonymous No.11751661]

>>11751448
>Imagine being so retarded that you thought it was a good idea to block out the sunlight that crops need to grow just to cool the Earth

[Anonymous No.11751752]

>>11751183
at 450ppm/+2C the rainfall of the subtropics (lat 23...40) will fail, by 50% to 75%
this will hit the worlds breadbaskets
At around that tipping point the warming becomes self-sustaining because the two 800lbs gorillas in the pic turn from sinks to emitters.
https://youtu.be/Mc_4Z1oiXhY?t=17m45s

[Anonymous No.11751759]

>>11751661
That is just a band-aid, when a faucet is flooding the bathtub,
the solution is not to build it higher walls,
the solution is to turn off the faucet.
https://youtu.be/Mc_4Z1oiXhY?t=47m35s

[Anonymous No.11751772]

>>11751439
>If the Siberian permafost melts all that methane will be the end of everything.
where does the methane come from

[Anonymous No.11751779]

We should just start paying people to be sterilized.

$40,000 usd per year for life to remove your self from the gene pool.

[Anonymous No.11751783]

>>11751400
Your comment is so short-sighted. What do you think those billions of Africans will do when they get fucked? Stay and die? No. They'll be heading to where they won't be fucked. So if N. America/Europe are not hit as bad, they will be by the hundreds of millions of refugees.

Also, you don’t need expert models and proof that we are harming it to STOP POLLUTING the planet. This is part of my idea that one does not need rationalization to the edict: DO NOT DISTURB A COMPLEX SYSTEM, since we do not know the consequences of our actions owing to complicated causal webs. Leave the planet the way we got it.

[Anonymous No.11751791]

>>11751779
people in the 3rd world make kids because of non-existing pension institutions.
Any long-term solution must fix that.

[Anonymous No.11751794]

>>11751752
at the current rate we'll reach 450ppm around 2030

[Anonymous No.11751795]

>>11751183
>Oopsie doopsie
-us in 50 years when it becomes evident

[Anonymous No.11751797]

>>11751361
People have been sending letters and it hasn't worked. Maybe they have to start sending bullets instead.

[Anonymous No.11751809]

I'm in Poland so this will be great for us, we can start a wine industry when it gets warmer. Refugees I don't care about, I vote for people who would shoot them on the border rather than let them in. The future is bright for those who are bright.

[Anonymous No.11751872]

>>11751809
>I vote for people who would shoot them on the border rather than let them in
You wont have enough bullets to stop them all

[Anonymous No.11753466]

>>11751759
Ah, but what if there are multiple faucets that you don't control, and the process of turning them all off is really expensive. But you can build higher tub walls yourself for relatively cheap. So if you were one of the first to get wet when the tub overflows, wouldn't it make sense build up the walls to buy time while you try to convince all those with faucets to take the expensive measures to turn them off?

Granted you run the risk of people not being willing to turn the faucets off later if the building higher walls method is cheaper, but when have people not punted problems down the line?

[Anonymous No.11755719]

>>11751797
Based.

[Anonymous No.11756333]

>>11751439
>the US dustbowl
Alaska

[Anonymous No.11756360]

>>11751183
Hopefully. The past few days give me no hope for mankind.

[Anonymous No.11756604]

>>11751183
If it gets bad enough we can just dump enough sulfur into the stratosphere to cool things down. Not ideal but would prevent a total catastrophe

[Anonymous No.11756608]

>>11751183
>>11756604
>>11751752
CO2 takes 1 second to decay from an excited state to a ground state per the Einstein A co-efficient. He calculated these time constants as a result of his work winning the Nobel prize in 1921. CO2 releases the absorbed energy of an IR photon in 1 nanosecond by collision with other atmospheric particles.

What does this difference mean? It means that a CO2 molecule cannot re-emit an IR photon to continually raise the temperature by reheating the Earth. THINK ABOUT THIS PROCESS. It is exactly the process claimed to warm the Earth by CO2. It cannot work because the process claimed does not occur.

Go to the UCAR website. You will see a cartoon of a CO2 molecule absorbing an IR photon and then a second later releasing that IR photon to continue warming the atmosphere and the implication is that this happens over and over again, warming the atmosphere over and over with the same energy in violation of the Law Of Conservation Of Energy. Well, If we could do this why cant we fill our car with gas one time and drive forever?

What actually happens is that the energy is emitted from the Earth and those IR photons that are the correct frequency to be absorbed by a CO2 molecule of the correct frequency, ARE absorbed then almost immediately turned into thermal energy via collision. Those IR photons that are off frequency for the CO2 molecules are captured in ever decreasing numbers. CO2 molecules vibrate at frequencies determined by their Atomic weights and absorption of an IR photon is also limited by the alignment of the electronic field of the photon and the CO2 molecule.

Therefore the main energy frequency of the CO2 molecule lies in the 15 micron band. 98% of the IR energy is absorbed by the CO2 molecule in this band. Most at the center frequencies with less energy absorbed as one gets further from the center. At the center almost all of the IR energy is captured. as one goes toward the edges the rate of IR photon...

[Anonymous No.11756614]

We are absolutely fucked if we don't normalize the idea of a one-child policy very soon. No matter what kinds of solutions people come up with, overpopulation is the heart of the problem.

[Anonymous No.11756616]

>>11751183
>>11756604
>>11751752
...absorption drops off logarithmically.

OH! You misuse the term decay to make believe that a CO2 molecule remains in the atmosphere for a long time before it is absorbed?

Out of quite a number of studies over a 100 year period, the residence time of CO2 has been found to be between 5-20 years on average from the earlier measurements, some measurements by climate scientists been claimed to be on the order of 100 years. I let you read several determinations by real atmospheric scientists that do not rely upon the " It MUST BE, IT JUST MUST BE" school of climate science. http://folk.uio.no/tomvs/esef/ESEF3VO2.htm

Of course there are more modern measurements that have determined that the average lifetime is on the order of 5 years. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818116304787

The Earth has increased in temperature during interglacials. The temperature goes up fairly quickly. THEN the CO2 rises. CO2 changing does NOT cause temperature increases. NADA. On all timescales.....

Then when an interglacial ends, the CO2 remains at the very highest levels for thousands of years as the temperature drops rapidly. If the lie about increased CO2 causing increased warming was true....Why do we ever come out of a warm period? You will not be told the reason that climate liars keep this to themselves. The reason is simply that CO2 does not cause warming in the manner that climate liars claim.

The reason for increases in CO2 is that as the planet warms Water releases mor CO2 from the oceans.

You know why other professors do not debunk it?
Some have and their employment is attacked.

[Anonymous No.11756618]

>>11751772
Permafrost, the methane is literally dissolved and frozen in the ice, when it melts the solubility of the methane decreases and it fizzes like soda pop, then gets released into the atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.11756624]

>>11751448
>>11751661
Imaginre not realizing they've been controlling the weather and spraying aluminum in the atmosphere for like 30+ years.

Look up sometime. They've stopped chemtrailing a bit since this covid thing, but you still see it occasionally. Also look up ionosphere heaters.

[Anonymous No.11756647]

>>11756608
>>11756616
>the implication is that this happens over and over again, warming the atmosphere over and over with the same energy in violation of the Law Of Conservation Of Energy.
If one photon is absorbed, some of its energy gets converted to heat, and another photon at a lower energy level gets emitted, how does that violate conservation of energy? Increasing CO2 just converts some of the energy getting sent back out into space into heat at the surface of the Earth.

>Out of quite a number of studies over a 100 year period, the residence time of CO2 has been found to be between 5-20 years on average from the earlier measurements, some measurements by climate scientists been claimed to be on the order of 100 years.
The residency of CO2 in the upper atmosphere, where plants can't absorb it, is about 100 years, yes. At the surface it's 5-20, what's your point?

>The temperature goes up fairly quickly. THEN the CO2 rises. CO2 changing does NOT cause temperature increases. NADA. On all timescales.....
The temperature goes up *after the forests get saturated, but we're pumping more CO2 than what the forests can absorb per year, correlation is not causation.

[Anonymous No.11756668]

>>11751772
Look up clathrate gun. It's controversial, but not science fiction. Methane locked into solids sublimates due to climate change, methane is a green house gas so it causes a feedback loop, more clathrates sublimate into the atmosphere faster and faster, possibly leading to toxic levels of methane in the air, killing things pretty damn quick.

[Anonymous No.11756687]

>>11756624
>Chemtrails
>>>/x/
Besides that crop output per hectare has been dropping globally, so even assuming that some number of governments are trying to control the weather with reflective or cloud forming aerosols it should clearly be a bad idea to ramp up.

BTW the real reason crop output is dropping is because of a combination of the sun dropping it's output slightly, global dimming which is predominantly caused by particulate pollution forming clouds, and impacts to the bee population.

[Anonymous No.11756699]

>>11751183
Actually co2 levels were crazy high during the time of dinosaurs which made the earth go up to high temperatures and essentially become a giant jungle and allowed plants and dinosaurs to get really big.

[Anonymous No.11756710]

>>11756699
>actually comparing our current situation to the dinosaurs
Humans deforest tons of hectares of rainforest every, I don't think the plants going to be covered in it any time soon. It would be more reasonable to compare the future of the Earth to the sahara.

[Anonymous No.11756855]

>>11756687
Yes, a big anti-geoengineering guy (Dane Wigington) says not to call them chemtrails because the population has been conditioned to disbelieve etc. He says it's a chess game and we need to learn to play, and play well. Perhaps he's right.

I expected /sci/ to be smarter than to be enslaved by language. Really I didn't expect though, but I don't have the stamina to demand for a long enough period to alter your behavior.

[Anonymous No.11756901]

>>11756855
Yo, if you don't want to be treated like a schitzo then learn what's real and what's not. "Chemtrails" are largely bullshit. HAARP and weather control experiments were stopped because they were deemed too detrimental to the environment to continue dumping metals into our atmosphere. Very few countries continue to engage in weather control experiments and none of them practice them at scale or as a matter of course.

Contrails, on the other hand, are the exhaust trails from plane engines. They are what most idiots show you pictures of when they're trying to provide evidence for chemtrails.

[Anonymous No.11756935]

>>11751183

Silly paper. Just an economist trolling idiots.

[Anonymous No.11756938]

>>11756710

The earth is more green today than ever. Ask NASA.

[Anonymous No.11756979]

>>11756901
Yet elevated aluminum, barium, and strontium are still being found in soil samples and captured rainwater. Chemical ice nucleation (barium and ammonia) is still used to make it snow to this day.

Blah blah. Whatever d00d.

[Anonymous No.11757001]

>>11756901
HAARP wasn't weather control

[Anonymous No.11757046]

Why stop it.

[Anonymous No.11757100]

what if everyone just stopped having kids

[Anonymous No.11757236]

>>11757100
Xhange "everyone" with "africans"

[Anonymous No.11757442]

>>11756979
>Look at the soil, bro
>That means it's in the AIR
If chemicals associated with weather experiments were being detected in the atmosphere then every scientist monitoring the atmosphere would be scrambling over each other to publish. Their dicks would be so hard that they'd be tripping over them and slipping on cum. Unless these reports exist and I'm just ignorant of them, I think it's safe to assume that the contaminates came from another source.

>>11757001
Yeah I know, but I brought it up because the HAARP experiments are the other commonly purported sources on chemtrails and that program was halted for the same reasons as the weather experiments.

[Anonymous No.11757485]

>>11756687
You forgot about soil destruction. Modern agricultural methods in most of the world are making the soil noticeably less and less fertile each year.

[Anonymous No.11757520]

>>11751220
A lot of countries are going to benefit from global warming

[Anonymous No.11757528]

>>11751872
With the gdp growth thanks to climate change we will have enough money to kill every trespasser on our green and pleasant land

[Anonymous No.11757575]

"all agriculutre impossible" is pushing it a bit but current methods of farming are very primitive, unreliable and unsustainable that a fart would destroy it.
first world countries don't notice this because they can buy from other countries and because of very heavy subsidies, look at 3rd world and developing countries. they are constantly having problems and starvation because it rained too much or too little.

[Anonymous No.11758097]

>>11757442
I read your greentext and didn't read further. I just told you, anomalously high readings in soil and collected rainwater. That highly implies it's also in the air column.

[Anonymous No.11758102]

>>11751783
If it comes down to it they'll be fucking machine gunned at the border. It's very trendy and right on to support immigration now but the same people squealing about it daily will be singing a different tune when the food and money runs out.

[Anonymous No.11758108]

>>11758097
>I read your greentext and didn't read further
This is why your hats are lined with tinfoil. Go read the rest. It's not being found in the air so unless you're asserting there's some massive conspiracy capable enough to suppress all of the atmospheric data, but incompetent enough to leave related data unaltered, then they came from elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.11758126]

>>11758108
Federal gag order on NOAA.

[Anonymous No.11758155]

>>11757485
Good catch

[Anonymous No.11758182]

>>11758126
And all of the universities, private groups, and in all the other countries as well? Doubtful. That finding would make a name for whoever published it first.

Again, some countries probably maintain small weather experiments, like the US and China, but any country practicing them at scale would be easily detectable and get sanctioned by the rest.

[Anonymous No.11758183]

>>11758102
Case in point, pic related.

[Anonymous No.11758185]

>>11758102
Good luck convincing your people to gun down refugees with the entire world watching. Maybe in 1920 but even homeless people have cellphones now. Only the hardest criminals and psychopaths will stay on your side.

[Anonymous No.11758194]

> Agriculture impossible.
laughs in dutch

[Anonymous No.11758279]

>>11758182
Yes, they're all in on it. Most any UN country. Previously it was largely just NATO and Russia. However the the allocation of materials and so forth is structured, it's mediated by the central bankers. See eg Iran and others saying, on the floor of the UN, that the US and its allies were causing prolonged drought in their country.

Also read the book Between Two Ages. Everyone has known weather and geowarfare has been possible since the 50's.

[Anonymous No.11758390]

>>11758185
>Good luck convincing your people to gun down refugees with the entire world watching.
Nobody gives a shit about this in Eastern Europe. In fact refugees were shot in Hungary and population overwhelmingly supported politicians responsible for this.
Refugees from Chechnya and Muslim countries are regularly abused in Poland and besides some NGO's nobody gives a shit

[Anonymous No.11758421]

>>11758279
Sure thing. Do I need to add an extra layer of tinfoil to my hat when I read it to prevent my implant from activating?

[Anonymous No.11758436]

>>11758421
Between Two Ages is written by Zbigniew Brzezinski. Here's a link to his wiki so I can save having to respond to you again after you fail to look it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski

You're an idiot. And no, you're thinking of aluminum foil, not tin.

[Anonymous No.11758480]

>>11758436
>He doesn't use gold foil to line his clothing
Are you poor or something?

[Anonymous No.11758520]

>>11758480

[Anonymous No.11758537]

so the variance in the distance between the earth and sun during earths circumnavigation is on the order of a few kilometers. the earth spins and wobbles on its axis as it orbits the sun. is it so hard to believe there is an additional wobble to the wobble, and these decades long changes in climate Temps are due more to long period variations in the distance/angle between the sun and earth than some silly thing like carbon bad money proves it?

[Anonymous No.11758554]

>>11751183
No it doesn't

[Anonymous No.11758568]

>>11751183
M E L T
E
L
T

Just melt already.
Let us sink Holland.
Let Earth return to its former great state!
From a time before the Americas met each other and fucked up the climate.

[Anonymous No.11760359]

>>11758537
That's already been considered. The Earth is receiving less energy from the sun and it's still warming.

[Anonymous No.11760371]

>>11751220
>Russia will benefit
how do people come to that conclusion? they had huge area fires in siberia which they had to let burn, because there was no possiblity to extinguish it

[Anonymous No.11760422]

>>11760371
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQY7VOQF8sY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbrKLnh8wLA

[Anonymous No.11761653]

>>11751311
You couldnt even digest a few sentences? Take your life my man

[Anonymous No.11761698]

>>11760422
"Climate Change is a hoax, believe me"

[Anonymous No.11761730]

>>11760422
>this is a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.11761771]

>>11758102
>German soldiers in the 1930s had tremendous rates of attrition from psychological trauma while exterminating ~11 million undesirables with the full force of state propaganda supporting them
>Western soldiers will be totally fine gunning down 6 billion starving refugees in this modern age of mass exposure to people's individual suffering

[Anonymous No.11761805]

>>11760422
this dude has so many errors

[Anonymous No.11761840]

Things that need to happen
>Get the boomers to shut the fuck up, ideally exterminate them
>Find a way to prevent 3rd world population explosion AND actively reduce 1st world population
>Go nuclear + renewables
>Phase out ICE engines
>End 90-100% of all flights, yes ALL flights
>End farmed meat, find some magical way to farm crops without massive methane emissions
>End deforestation, of both the Amazon and everywhere else

As you can see, we're pretty much fucked.

[Anonymous No.11761848]

>>11751220
>Russia, Canada, places where its cold now.
It's cold there because there's less light
Plants need light to grow stupid

[Anonymous No.11761898]

>>11761805
(not the guy you replied too but I know the videos)
Which errors?

[Anonymous No.11761970]

>>11761898
i think they're more on detail level. He doesn't make huge mistakes. I like him but I take him with a grain of salt.