Boeing

[Anonymous No.11740470]

Let's talk abou Boeing. How hard are they seething right now? When are they planning on doing their manned launch? How shitty and expensive is their system going to be?

[Anonymous No.11740573]

They are a shit company who would have outsourced half their shit to pajeets if not for the recent scandal. Jeff Bezos has a better chance of beating Elon than this shithole of a company. Boeing is just an amorphous corporate entity that exists to suck away public money. Billionaire owned companies at least have soul and drive behind them.

[Anonymous No.11740614]

None at all. They have the lucrative SLS contract on top of getting most of the money from commercial crew with starliner as opposed to spacex who get the breadcrumbs while also happily doing all the work.

[Anonymous No.11740637]

>>11740573
>the recent scandal
what scandal

[Anonymous No.11740665]

>>11740637
737 max streetshitter driven errors killing people.

[Anonymous No.11740681]

>>11740470
>Boeing

You mean the company that got double the money SpaceX got for the same job?

[Anonymous No.11740898]

>>11740681
Well Boeing are the leader, and spacex are the follower, the backup, in the program.

Of course Boeing should get more money.

[Anonymous No.11740907]

Boeing treated SpaceX as a joke while running thier own company into the ground (figuratively and literally). Best case senario they take the hint and get their shit together, second best case they go broke, worst case they stay on their current course and keep getting contracts.
If New Glenn flys before SLS they will be in very bad shape, if OmegA flys before SLS they will be all but done.

[Anonymous No.11740966]

>>11740907
Which SLS? The somewhat useful 130ton variant or the proof-of-concept-but-we'll-use-it-anyway one that got uprated to ~90tons through paperwork?
The former - never.
The latter - within 2 years.

[Anonymous No.11740979]

>>11740966
The latter of course.

[Anonymous No.11741003]

>>11740681
>You mean the company that got double the money SpaceX got for the same job?
No. They're the company that got double the money SpaceX got to do less with.

[Anonymous No.11741042]

>>11741003
>>11740681
I think they are still seething cause they look like retards right now, and this hurts their reputation. Next time around, the contracts will not be awarded this way.

[Anonymous No.11741097]

>>11741042
Musk has been pushing hard for congress to drop cost+ contracting and congresses responce has been "it gets results". I think he might be able to turn a few more senators now and if he can kill cost+ ULA / Boeing is done.

[Anonymous No.11741104]

>>11741042
>Next time around, the contracts will not be awarded this way.
It has already happened with the HLS contracts.

[Anonymous No.11741155]

>>11741097
I don't have a big problem with ULA. At least they consistently and reliably launch shit. The only real problem was they had no competition but that has changed

[Anonymous No.11741157]

>>11741104
The guy that made that call got sacked and ULA has 6 months to protest. I would be amazed if those contracts don't end up in the bin.

[Anonymous No.11741176]

>>11740470
Shitliner is going to be a year late and twice the cost of crew dragon, whilst carrying less cargo

[Anonymous No.11741191]

>>11741155
While they gone the job done I hate any company that treats tax dollars as a bottomless pit for their personal gain.
IMO when a project hits 200% the initial bid there should be criminal proceedings for defrauding the government.

[Anonymous No.11741212]

>>11741042
>this hurts their reputation
Boeing rep is already in the fucking gutter. They built planes using pajeets to save money which ended up being flying coffins. They were on the verge of bankruptcy, then an economic disaster hit which pushed them over. Luckily for them it was a freak virus which caused it which allowed them to smokescreen their ask for money as being "legitimate," then while begging for money proceeded to insult the government and American public during the deal making process. And they still got the free cash only to lay off workers several weeks later.

[Anonymous No.11741229]

>>11741191
>when a project hits 200% the initial bid there should be criminal proceedings for defrauding the government.
i agree. did that happen though?

i have personal experience with a space-related govt contract awarded to boeing and they have proven to be incompetent and underperformed and asked for more money. i blame the govertment people for awarding the contract also because the other proposals were better

>>11741212
they got money from CARES act?

[Anonymous No.11741232]

>>11740573
>Jeff Bezos has a better chance of beating Elon
Bezos still hasn't launched anyone on their New Shepard rocket, despite it supposedly being complete. What's the hold up Jeff baby?

[Anonymous No.11741256]

OC
ITT we laugh at Boeing

[Anonymous No.11741293]

>>11740470
Space is hard

[Anonymous No.11741303]

>>11741212
MaX coffins still not approved to fly nearly 16 months later either, with no approval in sight.
Add in corona killing air travel for the next 2-5 years and I'm not sure they'll ever fly again.

[Anonymous No.11741304]

>>11741232
>What's the hold up Jeff baby?
No ambition.

[Anonymous No.11741334]

>>11741293
And expensive!

[Anonymous No.11741338]

>>11741303
They are sitting on so many they will sell below cost if they have to.

[Anonymous No.11741344]

>>11740470
>When are they planning on doing their manned launch?

lol, that shit is never gonna happen now

[Anonymous No.11741346]

>>11741293

[Anonymous No.11741361]

>>11741344
It will, NASA wants more than one commercial supplier for LEO missions so that a launch failure doesn't ground their access to LEO completely.

[Anonymous No.11741364]

>>11740470
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.11741398]

>>11741229
>CARES act?
No, just money from the other FED.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200527094212/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-02/the-non-bailout-how-the-fed-saved-boeing-without-paying-a-dime

My comment was misleading in hindsight.

[Anonymous No.11741417]

>>11741232
>What's the hold up Jeff baby?
I didn't mean it as a compliment. More like an insult to Boeing.

[Anonymous No.11741558]

>>11740470
Boeing is no long run by engineers, its now run by accountants, they are never going to space

[Anonymous No.11741602]

>>11740470
Decadence and Complacency. Too long they are run by fossilized backwards neanderthals that know how to lobby more than how to make a plane that flies.
Of course elon was going to beat dudes who can barely fire off an email properly

[Anonymous No.11741624]

>>11740470
They deserve it, honestly. They can hardly run a company. Same goes for Bombardier, which is literally owned by the Quebec mafia.

[Anonymous No.11741694]

They killed the XS-1 because of the combined 737 and Covid-19 fiascos pissing on their commercial sales. They literally had an ace in the hole for SpaceX and threw it out because... well because they are stupid. The USAF is basically going to be reliant on SpaceX for the next decade now because there's no XS-1 to replace Elon. It's just so fucking stupid. They did this with the DC-X too, which was where Musk got the idea for SpaceX. At every point they keep making stupid, narrow-sighted decisions that always backfire.

Kinda hope that DARPA puts up a middle finger and goes with Northrop's XS-1 proposal instead, that would be a true fuck you.

[Anonymous No.11741703]

>>11741346

The more time goes on the more it's obvious that this is all a Boeing problem and not a NASA problem. NASA is at least building SLS and will commit to it, Boeing can't commit to shit and cancels it halfway through.

[Anonymous No.11741727]

>>11741694
>XS-1
Being Boeing I would be surprised if they could get it cheaper than the OmegA which is going to be the standard USAF ride in a year or two.

[Anonymous No.11741759]

I'm not familiar with all the programs and shit you are all talking about. Is there a good place to learn about all this and get updated?

[Anonymous No.11741797]

The only reason Lockheed and Boeing still exist is due to muh bailout packages and guberment contracts because of muh jobs
In a real free market they would've gone bankrupt long ago

[Anonymous No.11741812]

>>11741097
Boeing like Ford, GM and GE are legacy monoliths too stuck in their ways to compete with the new generation of competitors.

[Anonymous No.11741822]

>>11741759
Ask around in /sfg/, they'll tell you. Post a pic of an anime girl for extra effect.

[Anonymous No.11741843]

>>11741759
I autistically read budget reports, I'm sure there are much better sources but I don't know them.

>>11741797
Privatizing profit and nationalising costs is one of the few things they are still good at.

>>11741812
Bureaucratic inertia is killing off everyone that can't break the habbit.

[Anonymous No.11741854]

>spacex sends people to space without mishap
>boeing sends people into the ground because they fucked up a basic aircraft design

[Anonymous No.11744204]

>POO FOUND IN THE CODE
Much Love from /sfg/

[smokingman No.11744422]

>>11740898
leader in lives lost