Atheists are brainlets

[Anonymous No.11715112]

So let me get this straight - atheists believe that it's just a cosmic coincidence that the laws of the universe simultaneously begot the creation of sub-atomic particles which created atoms and basic elements which emerge from star factories, which just happened to form the substrate for biological life while simultaneously organizing themselves into structures such as solar systems and planets which provide the ideal structure for fostering said life, and the fact that life was the logical consequence of this entire process - from the big bang to the formation of solar systems to the self-organizing RNA and DNA particles of abiogenesis which created cells which created consciousness - is just a never-end set coincidences and freak accidents? Do they even understand how incredibly improbable that scenario is? The laws of the universe could have been set to any of an infinite set during its instantiation and it just so happens to have randomly chosen the set which has led to our existence? The odds of that are literally one in infinity. Fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.11715118]

>>11715112
How improbable is that scenario?

[Anonymous No.11715127]

>>11715118
It's impossible.

[Anonymous No.11715132]

its not improbably at all because I am here, the end product of all these processes so it makes fucking sense things had to be aligned that way and not any other to produce the result - me. The whole anthropic principle thing is observer bias. It takes IQ to digest though, if you dont have it you go with the God thing.

[Anonymous No.11715133]

>>11715127
Can you show your calculations?

[Anonymous No.11715140]

And what is our alternative? There is some sort of fundamental living all-encompassing omnipresent omniscient omnipotent intelligent yet intrisically emotional and benevolent creator?

[Anonymous No.11715156]

>>11715132
the fact that you are produced at all is nothing short of a miracle, not some inevitable outcome. The point of infinity is that there's zero probability you should have been produced at all, that eternity could go on forever producing universes without ever producing life and consciousness and you. So your reply is the dice of the universe landed on life this time and here you are just out of sheer dumb luck. Hilarious atheists accuse of others believing in impossibility when they believe their own existence is the result of a infinitely sided die landing on their point.

[Anonymous No.11715165]

>>11715156
its not an impossibility if I am here to see and be the end result you dumb fucking nigger there is a chain of causes and effects here if you can't see it I'm sorry you have an inferior brain

[Anonymous No.11715172]

>>11715140
>>11715133

If the likelihood that life, consciousness, and the state of this universe and its laws is a random event is zero, the logical deduction is non-randomness, that's all I can speak to.

[Anonymous No.11715174]

Is it a cosmic coincidence that a turtle fits in its shell?

[Anonymous No.11715183]

>>11715165
it happened because your existence is not the result of a random process, you egotistical brainlet.

[Anonymous No.11715185]

>>11715172
So, no calculations.

[Anonymous No.11715194]

>>11715185
>logic
>not a calculation
imbecile

[Anonymous No.11715195]

>>11715112
Flip a coin 100 times and whatever result you get was incredibly improbable, yet it occurred randomly.

/thread

[Anonymous No.11715217]

>>11715195
The set of possible outcomes were predetermined by virtue of its construction. So was the universe so constructed to produce life as an inevitable outcome.

[Anonymous No.11715226]

>>11715194
If logic is a calculation there was no logic in your post. You didn't explain how you calculated the probability of everything occurring and how you took into account anthropic effects.

[Anonymous No.11715241]

>>11715226
1. Assume the laws of the universe can be any one of an infinite set with uniform probability
2. It is given at least one set of those laws leads to the present state of the universe
3. Probability of universe being instantiated with current laws as a result of a random process : 1/infinite = 0

[Anonymous No.11715245]

>>11715217
>The set of possible outcomes were predetermined by virtue of its construction.
And? This doesn't respond to the point. Improbability does not mean we should reject random action as an explanation. Random actions often must create improbable outcomes. Do you conclude that every lottery winner is the result of a conspiracy?

>So was the universe so constructed to produce life as an inevitable outcome.
The coin was constructed to produce THTTHTHHHTTHTHTHHTTTTTHHTHTTTHTTTTHHHHTHHHHH as an inevitable outcome. The lottery was constructed to have Joe Shmoe win.

[Anonymous No.11715253]

>>11715112
The point is that no matter how improbable the scenario is without intelligent life to observe these events, we wouldn't know any alternatives.

> The odds of that are literally one in infinity

So?

[Anonymous No.11715261]

>>11715241
>1. Assume the laws of the universe can be any one of an infinite set with uniform probability
Why?

>3. Probability of universe being instantiated with current laws as a result of a random process : 1/infinite = 0
Doesn't follow. You didn't show only one set of laws leads to this outcome.

You also failed to take into account the anthropic effect. The only reason this universe is special to you is because you live in it. It's like the puddle thinking the hole it's in was specially made for it.

[Anonymous No.11715265]

>>11715245
First of all, it's not just improbable, it's impossible.

Second, you even had choose an intelligently designed object to make your point, which makes the analogy that the universe is analogously a purposefully created object. Your argument yields its own point.

[Anonymous No.11715280]

>>11715265
>First of all, it's not just improbable, it's impossible.
Because?

>Second, you even had choose an intelligently designed object to make your point
So natural events aren't random? No, those are just examples.

>which makes the analogy that the universe is analogously a purposefully created object.
That's not how analogies work. If I say X is like Y that doesn't mean X and Y are the same.

[Anonymous No.11715286]

>>11715261
1. Any other assumption of the distribution from universal laws are drawn only makes the case for universes created with a bias towards life creation stronger or the case this particular universe was random weaker.

2. Does not matter how many configurations lead to life, the probability any are realized randomly is zero, since any constant/infinity = 0.

3. Suppose there are infinitely many configurations that lead to life - that still only makes the case for life creation being an intrinsic property of universe creation itself.

[Anonymous No.11715294]

>>11715112
That's not really prove of a creator god. But I find it fascinating that reality can exist at all.

[Anonymous No.11715298]

>>11715132
>retard that doesnt know order can only come from chaos with consciousness talks about low IQ
anon, you have to be the most retarded person in the world to think a lego castle can build itself you are a hack. Matter comes from mind, mind can never come from matter. This is the most simple thing in the world to understand

[Anonymous No.11715299]

>>11715241
You would never exist in any of the infinite universes which didn't have the exact properties which enabled you to observe that you happen to live in a universe which this has occurred.

[Anonymous No.11715302]

>>11715294
I'm not really trying to prove there is a god, I am only demonstrating atheists beliefs are much mysticism, irrational, and believing the impossible as those they detract.

[Anonymous No.11715305]

>>11715299
The probability I am currently in such a universe as a result of a random process is exactly zero, haven't you been following along?

[Anonymous No.11715320]

>>11715286
>1. Any other assumption of the distribution from universal laws are drawn only makes the case for universes created with a bias towards life creation stronger or the case this particular universe was random weaker.
Why any other assumption? We don't know what determines how the universe works so making assumptions as if there is some lottery of laws is incorrect. Also, you didn't show such a distribution can be constructed, you just handwaved. Also, you haven't shown this universe is predisposed to the creation of life.

>2. Does not matter how many configurations lead to life
Of course it does, what if infinite configurations lead to life?

>3. Suppose there are infinitely many configurations that lead to life - that still only makes the case for life creation being an intrinsic property of universe creation itself.
Yes, and?

[Anonymous No.11715326]

>>11715305
You could exist in infinite universes, but only this universe has properties necessary for your self awareness, and therefore this universe is the only one you can possibly exist within to ask the question.

[Anonymous No.11715330]

>>11715298
>anon, you have to be the most retarded person in the world to think a lego castle can build itself
A lego castle can't build itself, but much more complex things have emerged by themselves. It's about processes, not complexity.

>Matter comes from mind, mind can never come from matter.
Then you don't mind if I hit you over the head with a shovel right? It's only matter.

>This is the most simple thing in the world to understand
Then it should be very simple for you to prove.

[Anonymous No.11715337]

>>11715305
It's 1, because that's what we observe occurred. You are confusing the prior probability with the actual probability. There is no reason to ask for the probability of you existing before you exist. Also, 0 doesn't mean impossible.

[Anonymous No.11715341]

>its impossible for something to happen!
>"why do you think so?"
welllllllllll idk i just philosophically think its unlikely or something retarded without any evidence without any math or anything
t. YOU a retard
it could be really common or it could be really not common THERE IS NO way to logically say if it is our not without MATH and SCIENCE

[Anonymous No.11715344]

>>11715112

Yes Anon, sky wizards did it. That makes so much more sense.

[Anonymous No.11715350]

>>11715320
If life is an intrinsic property of universes, then life does not just result from a favorable sequence of coincidences, the emergence of life is non-random, then life in any universe is in fact inevitable, and suggests universe is the seed for the flower of life. So is the purpose of the seed is to produce the flower, and so the universe's purpose and any universe's purpose is to produce you, you beautiful flower.

[Anonymous No.11715357]

>>11715112
There is nothing ideal about solar systems and planets for life, they are pretty much the antithesis to life. Sun makes up 99.85% of the system mass, 99% of the remaining mass is in the gas giants, life is limited to about half of a 0.5% of the remaining mass of the solar system and that's being extremely generous. Let's not even talk about volume or other empty solar systems.

An optimal system would be a shell of thin matter surrounding a tiny central star, that would be an ideal layout for life.

Garbage thread

[Anonymous No.11715358]

>>11715330
>A lego castle can't build itself, but much more complex things have emerged by themselves
No they didn't that is the point dingus

>Then it should be very simple for you to prove.
Yes, I already have
http://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe

[Anonymous No.11715363]

>>11715112
Why are religious people so fucking stupid? Nothing in your post proves anything. Your brain just can't grasp cosmic scales and timelines.

[Anonymous No.11715367]

>>11715363
Atheism is a religion, as has been demonstrated.

Can you grasp 1/infinity?

[Anonymous No.11715376]

>>11715367
>Can you grasp 1/infinity?
no, explain pl0x

[Anonymous No.11715377]

You’re a retard and you don’t understand your own terrible arguments

[Anonymous No.11715379]

>>11715377

[Anonymous No.11715397]

The anthropic principle explains most of this nonsense. It doesn’t matter how insanely improbable intelligent life is. If it isn’t anywhere in our possibly infinite universe, there will be some idiot claiming the coincidence of it proves we were deliberately created. There’s also a tendency among humans to believe life is special and while it does represent a highly complex arrangement of matter, it is still nothing more than an arrangement of matter. Attributing special meaning to it is unwarranted, objectively.

[Anonymous No.11715406]

>>11715397
you are thinking at least one level below the level of this discussion, please try to be smarter.

[Anonymous No.11715407]

>>11715406
lolololololol harsh

[Anonymous No.11715408]

>>11715406
Sounds like you’re a coping retard who is 10 levels below his own discussion. You are a very unintelligent person.

[Anonymous No.11715412]

>>11715350
>purpose
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.11715417]

For atheism to be the correct position it doesn’t need to have zero assumptions, but just fewer assumptions than any alternative - which it does. You can say atheism is stupid and maybe that’s true, but it is definitely less stupid than every other possible belief.

[Anonymous No.11715421]

>>11715112
Which god did it? Your favourite one?

[Anonymous No.11715424]

>>11715421

[Anonymous No.11715428]

>>11715412
>random
>>>/b/

[Anonymous No.11715429]

>>11715397

Life started on Earth so fast it's 100% certain it's common as fuck. Especially since our planet or solar system are not even ideal for life.

[Anonymous No.11715430]

>>11715350
>and suggests universe is the seed for the flower of life.
If holes must have puddles then holes are made for puddles. Naturalistic fallacy.

[Anonymous No.11715432]

>>11715430
>reads one post out of context
>proceeds to think he has grasped the discussion and inserts his shitpost
child

[Anonymous No.11715433]

>>11715358
>No they didn't that is the point dingus
They did. Good luck denying basic scientific facts.

>Yes, I already have
Where exactly is the proof? I just see a bunch of schizo babble.

[Anonymous No.11715435]

>>11715417
>You can say atheism is stupid

Only people calling it stupid are religiontards who just can't believe we are simply a bit smarter animals and don't have any amazing great purpose.

"Atheism is a religion" bullshit is a coping mechanism.

Sure, it's perfectly possible there are higher beings out there that would seem like gods to humans. Doesn't change the fact that all Earth religions are 100% made up bullshit.

[Anonymous No.11715438]

>>11715432
nah he's right what you said doesn't follow at all

[Anonymous No.11715443]

>>11715438
was he your brother?

[Anonymous No.11715452]

>>11715432
>>reads one post out of context
No, I'm the one you were responding to. Clearly you have no counterargument. Doesn't matter whether life is inevitable or coincidental, you are using fallacious reasoning either way.

[Anonymous No.11715454]

>>11715443

[Anonymous No.11715465]

>>11715452
>>11715438
>>11715454
please reply when you have read the full contents of the thread. Brainless nitpicking of a metaphor auxiliary to the main discussion will not win you any points. Try choose one of the main points to dispute if you don't want to continue to behave like rhetorical weaklings.

[Anonymous No.11715487]

>>11715465
the whole thread is tl;dr

[Anonymous No.11715496]

>>11715487
'doesn't read' just about sums you up then doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.11715512]

>>11715496
shut the fuck up stupid spiteful cunt

[Anonymous No.11715516]

>>11715433
Yah you are too ignorant to understand it yet. Generally takes the people about 5 years too after they stop jacking their jaws. But eventually you will figure out I am right, if you are smarter than you appear atm

[Anonymous No.11715523]

The problem with your logic OP is that you seem to think that 1/infinity is zero when it's not, it's undefined. You're taking the limit and using that as the value proper, which only proves that you don't understand fundamental calculus.
The only way to state that an event has zero probability is to prove that it can not occur. Saying that there are infinite possibilities just means that the possibility is infinitesimally small, but no matter how close to zero, it is still not zero. If you don't understand this, then read up on continuous probability distributions. You also can't say that the probability is zero because the event is impossible, as that makes the assumption that probability is zero, which is cyclic logic, and thus invalid.
If you can not definitively prove that life can not occur randomly under any circumstance, then the probability can not be zero.

[Anonymous No.11715525]

>>11715112
I know this is /his/ or /lit/ tier but basic logic and rationality would tell you how improbable it is that our sense of reasoning and logic is all there is to ever verify anything

We are limited; that doesn't mean you revert to dogma.
At the very least be Agnostic

[Anonymous No.11715531]

>>11715132
Are we simply code expressing itself within logical code?

A bit like a video game....made by...

[Anonymous No.11715536]

>>11715112
Why is God existing MORE likely?

[Anonymous No.11715550]

>>11715112
Infinite odds are good odds when you have infinite time.

[Anonymous No.11715554]

>>11715536
I'm just proving the probability our existence is tje consequence of a random process is 0. Draw your own conclusions from that.

[Anonymous No.11715558]

>>11715550
Then life is a certainty over infinite time, so also non-random.

[Anonymous No.11715650]

>>11715554
We know all but for certain that our existence is the result of random processes, at minimum back to abiogenesis. We come from random mutations originally affecting single celled organisms, and organic soup before that.

[Anonymous No.11715669]

They have always existed. Big bangs just spontaneously induce quarks into forming matter.
That is not to say metaphysical beings cannot exist.

[Anonymous No.11715687]

>>11715172
Your are reasoning from a flawed premise, what makes so sure that the probability is zero? Because if it is anything other than zero then life was garaunteed to emerge somewhere in an infinite universe thanks to simple probability.

[Anonymous No.11715704]

>>11715358
>esotericawakening
>holofractal universe
I live schizo threads, shine on you crazy diamond!