Why aren't you vegan yet?

[Anonymous No.11703856]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/opinion/coronavirus-meat-vegetarianism.html
> eating animal products is in most cases orders of magnitude worse for the environment than plant-based alternatives
> animal products depend on the exploitation of an underclass of meat processing workers
> healthy humans have no physiological need for animal products
> most industrially farmed animals live in the dark in their own feces and blood and never touch a blade of grass

[Anonymous No.11703857]

I don't care and I won't read it so that meat doesn't become disgusting to me

[Anonymous No.11703860]

>>11703856
Me stop eating meat won’t stop any of these things

[Anonymous No.11703885]

Don't care about animal welfare, don't care about enviroment, and I bet the health benefits, if any, are minimal.

[Anonymous No.11703888]

>>11703885
The most uneducated post on this board

[Anonymous No.11703890]

Because plant based protein can give you gout and the widespread meat shortages haven't started yet.

[Anonymous No.11703892]

>>11703856
I plan on being vegan eventually, just not today

[Anonymous No.11703894]

>>11703856
I'm french and we have laws against industrial animal farming.
Mainly because it makes for a shit meat, and require a shitton of antibiotic that get passed down.

Corona isn't just a flu, even with faked numbers it doesn't reach the annual flu, it's literally nothing and probably both endemic since a long time and completely asymptomatic.

All in all, you're pretty much retarded cattle, OP.
Hope you'll take the vaccine, you really need to get sterilised.

[Anonymous No.11703896]

>>11703885
>I bet the health benefits, if any, are minimal.
yeah preventing our number one killer, "minimal"

[Anonymous No.11703904]

>>11703856
> eating animal products is in most cases orders of magnitude worse for the environment than plant-based alternatives
Dont care, I won't eat estrogen burgers like a tranny or bugs like a 3rd worlder.
> animal products depend on the exploitation of an underclass of meat processing workers
Stfu commie, every product depends on an underclass. Low IQ people need low IQ jobs.
> healthy humans have no physiological need for animal products
Fake and untrue, actual healthy humans don't need to take daily pills just to survive.
> most industrially farmed animals live in the dark in their own feces and blood and never touch a blade of grass
Maybe in a shit country, but you can't get away with that in any western nation. Only buy American.

[Anonymous No.11703908]

>>11703896
>number one killer
How does going vegan stop nigger crime?

[Anonymous No.11703914]

>>11703856
>(((nytimes)))
go back to your plebbit, girl

[Anonymous No.11703929]

>>11703894
>Mainly because it makes for a shit meat, and require a shitton of antibiotic that get passed down.
this

[Anonymous No.11703935]

>>11703856
desu, as a bachelor
I primarily don't eat a lot of meat(when I do its usually chicken) because meat is expensive and a hassle to cook and clean up after. Also, it goes bad quickly.

[Anonymous No.11703940]

>>11703904
> Maybe in a shit country, but you can't get away with that in any western nation. Only buy American.
lol stay woke

[Anonymous No.11703956]

>>11703940
America still produces some of the highest quality in the world you just have to choose your supplier carefully. Buy local food with high traceability.

[Anonymous No.11703966]

>>11703856
I only eat pastures animal products because I’m not a subhuman and I realize it’s worth eating less meat for a much higher quality and ethical product.

[Anonymous No.11703969]

>>11703856
>vegan

Fuck off >>>/x/

[Anonymous No.11703992]

>>11703966
Grazed livestock are one of the most sustainable agricultural systems we have.

[Anonymous No.11703997]

>>11703856
Ive eaten a cheesburger one time in the last two weeks... im trying to not est meat but fuck me I cant give up dairy and cheese and eggs and shit come on.

IM TRYING PIGS IM TRYING

[Anonymous No.11703998]

>>11703896
Cancer? It doesn't prevent cancer. It might reduce your chance of getting it by an insignificant amount, but it doesn't prevent it.

[Anonymous No.11704041]

>>11703896
You're wrong by assuming, first, that being alive is good, and second, that bodily health is the only health that matters.

[Anonymous No.11704045]

>>11703856
>NOOOOOO.. MY COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. HOW DARE YOU MAKING ME THINK ABOUT THAT.
The whole thread.

[Anonymous No.11704079]

>>11703856
>> healthy humans have no physiological need for animal products
cope

[Anonymous No.11704081]

>>11703892
you can't change your diet you retard.
>>11703908
rekt
>>11703935
eat organs
>>11704045
not being accustom to death is the issue. meat is our diet and no amount of jewish shilling will change it.

[Anonymous No.11704082]

>>11703904
>Dont care, I won't eat estrogen burgers like a tranny or bugs like a 3rd worlder.
You're already doing that by eating meat

[Anonymous No.11704088]

>>11703856
I genuinely do not care about any of that.
Anything that annoys me, impedes me, or inconveniences me is evil.

[Anonymous No.11704090]

>>11703856
Because I believe it's unethical to treat humans that way.

[Anonymous No.11704099]

>>11703856
wow another opinion piece regurgitating the same old fallacies from flawed studies about vegans being healthier, humans being unable to digest meat etc. etc.
all so tiresome

[Anonymous No.11704113]

>>11704081
>you can't change your diet you retard.
Well, what? People change their diet all the time. Are you seriously retarded and don't know what the meaning of diet is?
>no amount of jewish shilling will change it.
So, it's the jews again? How convenient.

[Anonymous No.11704118]

>>11703856
because i dont want to.
> eating animal products is in most cases orders of magnitude worse for the environment than plant-based alternatives
im okay with that
> animal products depend on the exploitation of an underclass of meat processing workers
untrue, without the meat industry those people wouldnt have a job, or they would work in the "exploited underclass" in the vegetable industry
> healthy humans have no physiological need for animal products
healthy humans dont have any physiological needs as long as they are healthy
> most industrially farmed animals live in the dark in their own feces and blood and never touch a blade of grass
i buy open field farmed animal food, its just better taste

[Anonymous No.11704133]

>>11703888
The third most uneducated post on this board.( mine, being the second).

[Anonymous No.11704139]

>>11703856
>animal products depend on the exploitation of an underclass of meat processing workers
so they would be better off without a job XD ?

[Anonymous No.11704152]

>>11704139
>XD.
kys.

[Anonymous No.11704160]

>>11704099
except that's not what the article talks about

[Anonymous No.11704165]

>>11704113
If you feed an animal the wrong diet, what happens? You are retarded.

[Anonymous No.11704171]

>ny times
opinion discaded

[Anonymous No.11704178]

>>11704118
> healthy humans dont have any physiological needs as long as they are healthy
clearly this was "healthy" in the 'in good general health' sense, but lol u pwned him with ur retarded deliberate misinterpretation to avoid the issue xdddd

[Anonymous No.11704182]

>>11703857
>if I ignore the billions of animals being tortured then it’s not happening
Why don’t you take the green-pill and switch to lab-grown or plant-based meats?

[Anonymous No.11704183]

>>11704165
I forgot that processed meat from animals fed with antibiotics is the ideal diet for humans. That also wasn't the point. Humans can change their diets because they're omnivorous.
>You are retarded.
Keep raging, kid.

[Anonymous No.11704192]

>>11703856
Because I fucking hate the environment.

[Anonymous No.11704195]

>>11704182
cus I'm poor and live in third world country

[Anonymous No.11704206]

>>11704171
Seethe, cope, not an argument

[Anonymous No.11704382]

We as a species haven't cared about the environment for thousands of years. Why should we care now? There is no logical reason, you are just placing your emotions in the first place, like all greenfaggots do. They don't think, they obey a certain narrative because if they don't do it then they don't belong.

Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.11704412]

Bill Gates is a major investor in those shitty "vegan" meals they were pushing on everyone you know the ones with all the additives and shit?

[Anonymous No.11704413]

>>11704382
>They don't think, they obey a certain narrative because if they don't do it then they don't belong.
Pot calling the kettle black.

[Anonymous No.11704418]

There is no alternative and eventually lab grown meat will replace the meat industry entirely. It's feasible enough and the way we source meat now is incredibly wasteful. Relax and enjoy your steaks.

I know it sucks for the cows but we cant do anything about it atm.

[Anonymous No.11704433]

>>11704195
Soon anon. The alternative meats will be cheaper and far tastier than any real meat. Just needs a few more years

[Anonymous No.11704437]

>>11703856
Americans just want cheap food on the shelves of the shart mart and don't care how it gets there. It would be easy enough to ban or strongly regulate CAFOs if there was will to do it, but there isn't. Meat industry shills have also done a good job of spreading propaganda to discredit activists, and getting favorable laws passed through the state legislatures, including even state constitutional amendments.

[Anonymous No.11704441]

>>11704382
i'll take appeal to nature for 200 alex

[Anonymous No.11704442]

>>11703896

[Anonymous No.11704446]

>>11704418
>eventually lab grown meat will replace the meat industry entirely.
most ruminant derived meat is derived form rough often hilly marginal land where everything else is less profitable

[Anonymous No.11704454]

>>11704183
Ah yes, because soilent is the natural food source for humans. Because humans are supposed to get gout.

[Anonymous No.11704459]

>>11704433
And become a sissy from all the phytoestrogens? Nice try, chef (((steinberg))).

[Anonymous No.11704482]

> Health
Tons of vegans are plagued with vitamin deficiencies, bowel problems and migraines because half of their lifestyle is based on pseudo-religious magical thinking and being illiterate about biology.

You simply can't develop and maintain your brain and muscles without cholesterol and every responsible vegan parent lets their kids eat meat. But how are you even going to perform sports competitively or fitness seriously? With substitutes?

> Environment
Then there's the branch of vegans that experiments with factory-produced supplement foods to offset the clear flaws in the diet itself. But the moment you go for processed foods that require factories to produce you'd have to be deranged to still believe it's helping the environment. Do people even know what happens in factories and how they work? Or what kind of chemical tomfoolery it takes to make a bland paste have a meat texture and taste?

> Energy efficient food.
There is literally no food more energy efficient than animal products. They convert GRASS, which we cannot digest and is readily available. Into MEAT, which is one of the most readily digestible substances we could be eating.

> Exploitation of the underclass.
And how, exactly. Is the vegan miracle going to ensure these people aren't unemployed. Is this even about veganism anymore or are you just poorly masking your political beliefs behind a diet now.

> Oh the inhumanity. The animals!
Different per country and company. But I agree that a lot of improvements can be made in this field.

But a vegan diet isn't going to make us more humane. It's just muffling away the irresponsible behaviors that lead to that kind of production practices. My uncle has a diary farm where the cows have a fully-automated brush system they can lounge against, and they can voluntarily get milked for nice treats by a laser-guided suction system. And quite honestly; a lot of people would very much love to live doing nothing but eating and lazing about.

[Anonymous No.11704487]

>>11704482
>But the moment you go for processed foods that require factories to produce you'd have to be deranged to still believe it's helping the environment.
>There is literally no food more energy efficient than animal products.
Please stop obfuscating the serious problem of greenhouse gas emissions, a significant portion of which comes from agriculture and especially livestock agriculture.

[Anonymous No.11704491]

>>11704482
don't forget all the 5th quarter products like leather

extreme veganism eventually sees all wildlife as a threat and wipes hem out

[Anonymous No.11704492]

my favourite dish needs meat.

[Anonymous No.11704495]

>>11704482
> They convert GRASS, which we cannot digest and is readily available. Into MEAT, which is one of the most readily digestible substances we could be eating.
most american livestock is not fed grass

[Anonymous No.11704505]

>>11704495
Cellulose is the cheapest energy feed source.
almost all ruminants are raised on it, for a substantial portion of their diet. they're only really finished on starches

[Anonymous No.11704516]

Friendly reminder that if it wasn't for an initially heavy meat based diet we all would still be retarded as shit loving in threes like monkeys

[Anonymous No.11704523]

because we don't have a complete theory of nutrition so who knows what we're missing when we stop eating meat. I am looking at how vegan milk pans out. They got this process for making it with yeast, which technically makes it a form of beer. Might be better than regular milk from cows which tend to be pumped full of hormones. But really if we can't make cheese from it, I don't give a fuck.

[Anonymous No.11704534]

>>11704487
>a significant portion of which comes from agriculture and especially livestock agriculture
wat

[Anonymous No.11704551]

>>11704534
It's also arguable about what the emissions from land would be if it isn't cropped sice plants grow and die
the transport and nitrogen are the bigger contributors for food

[Anonymous No.11704557]

>>11704495
Well then that's America's problem, now isn't it.

>>11704491
Yes, well. They probably think factory-produced synthetic fibers coated in dye are more environmentally friendly. Bloody knobheads.

>>11704487
Industry and Agriculture are going to change the environment regardless of what subset of industry and agriculture you are promoting. Look at how much of the rain-forest is getting torched for the sake of crop fields, for instance. Veganism doesn't actually solve shit like that in the least.

And if you're concerned with emissions, then you're a doomed soul because once the planet population doubles with the industrialization of Africa none of that conserving is going to work. Hell, how about you try and convince India and China, first? There's more eating people over there than the rest of the world put together. Of course. Let's hope none of their clever alternatives to livestock end up including pandemic inducing viral agents.

Additionally. The acidification of the seas is the most substantial problem caused by greenhouse gasses. This kills the fish and the coral. Except for the fish species that are capable of surviving in those conditions that suddenly have a lot less other fish species to be worried about sharing the sea with which then start proliferating. And I'm telling you now; Algae farming is going to have a future in a higher CO2 atmosphere. Invest now.


See. Rather than actually thinking in solutions, we're looking at a mentality that simply wants to abolish and tax for the sake of feeling like heroes. What this is really about is creating profitable markets for vegan products perpetuated by simpletons that are only half-informed about how things work.

You want to solve greenhouse gas emissions? Look at methods of capturing and converting greenhouse gas emissions into other products. Don't try to limit the emissions because that's only going to be a temporary solution until the end of time.

[Anonymous No.11704569]

>>11704534
While I'm with you on that. Germany does import a lot of food from the Netherlands, which is the second largest food exporter in the world. So that particular figure may not be too telling.

[Anonymous No.11704570]

>>11704557
read this book a while back, good read. over a decade old now so probably a little out of date but the basics are still probably solid

[Anonymous No.11704581]

>>11704557
>The acidification of the seas is the most substantial problem caused by greenhouse gasses.
It is a serious problem, but so is desertification and topsoil loss, which will increasingly and rapidly happen once peak summer temperatures get higher.
>And if you're concerned with emissions, then you're a doomed soul
Who wouldn't be concerned by such a rapid anthropogenic change that is, in principle, avoidable?
>Rather than actually thinking in solutions, we're looking at a mentality that simply wants to abolish and tax for the sake of feeling like heroes.
A carbon usage tax and a cap and trade exchange are both real solutions, despite your dishonest rhetoric suggesting they are not. They would likely have much more favorable economic impacts than doing nothing and waiting for the terrible fallout.
>You want to solve greenhouse gas emissions? Look at methods of capturing and converting greenhouse gas emissions into other products.
Carbon capture DOES NOT WORK on a scale needed to have any measurable impact. It has never been shown to be scalable to a meaningful level, probably because it's a fossil fuel shill meme.
>Don't try to limit the emissions because that's only going to be a temporary solution until the end of time.
"Don't try to solve a problem of gas emissions by reducing how many of those gases are being emitted." Idiot.

[Anonymous No.11704585]

>>11704581
>topsoil loss
yeah this is a massive problem same with phosphorous supplies and fresh water

[Anonymous No.11704597]

>>11704482
>And how, exactly. Is the vegan miracle going to ensure these people aren't unemployed. Is this even about veganism anymore or are you just poorly masking your political beliefs behind a diet now.

Times change and so do industries along with the jobs they provide. There is no point in preventing change just because jobs will be lost. It is inevitable. Whether they lose their jobs due to morals or advancing technology, their jobs will be obsolete one day. Nobody laments the loss of town criers or switchboard operators.

[Anonymous No.11704609]

>>11704597
There are still town criers, though they're mostly ceremonial.

[Anonymous No.11704808]

>>11704557
>Look at how much of the rain-forest is getting torched for the sake of pasture and crop fields for animal feed
ftfy

[Anonymous No.11704932]

>>11703856
If I go vegan for like a week I overdose on carbs for some reason and my depression kicks in.
Ideally I would like to be both keto and vegan at the same time but that would kill me in a year

[Anonymous No.11705033]

>animal products depend on the exploitation of an underclass of meat processing workers
This is simple not true. Moreover, I would say that the only ones that one can say that are "exploited" in some way are fumigators, not because they are actually exploited but because even though they have a lot of security measures the job still have risks.

t. Farmer

[Anonymous No.11706268]

>>11705033
meat cutting is pretty skilled work and they have decent throughput
Traditional butchers are making a come back.

[Anonymous No.11706296]

I don't drive, beat that vegans.

[Anonymous No.11706366]

>>11703856
fuck the environment, i'm going to die at 80, what difference does it fucking make what I leave behind?

[Anonymous No.11706655]

We cant afford making everyone switch to fish
the ocean will die

[Anonymous No.11706701]

>>11703856
Because a meal without meat tastes shit and leaves me hungry after.

[Anonymous No.11707209]

>>11706701
you need to eat more than iceberg lettuce and ranch

[Anonymous No.11707319]

>>11704081
>>11704165
>>11704454
I'm all for bacon but damn you're one stupid motherfucker.

[Anonymous No.11707338]

>>11703894
>french have laws against industrial farming
>literally invented foie gras
Nani?!?!

[Anonymous No.11707445]

>>11703856
So your argument is that you should go vegan because of inhuman practices?
Why not just buy from a small farm or visit a slaughterhouse?

[Anonymous No.11707455]

I eat meat because I care about my health. Sorry

[Anonymous No.11707511]

>>11706366
What difference does it make to you? None, apparently. What difference does it make for the future physical state of the world and the fate of humanity? A significant one. Your reasons can't be humanity's reasons.

[Anonymous No.11707558]

>>11703856
> eating animal products is in most cases orders of magnitude worse for the environment than plant-based alternatives
Onions crops drain the soil of nitrogen and phosphorus. Industrial farming drains the aquifiers and threatens desertification.

> animal products depend on the exploitation of an underclass of meat processing workers
Plant products depend on the exploitation of migrant pickers, or heavy mechanization. How much CO2 does a diesel run grain harvester spit out?
> healthy humans have no physiological need for animal products
Healthy humans have no physiological need for plant products. Vegans have a difficult time getting enough calories or micronutrients. Have you ever seen a fat vegan? Most are sickly and rail thin.
> never touch a blade of grass
Does a cornstalk ever touch a blade of grass?

[Anonymous No.11708607]

>>11703856
> most industrially farmed animals live in the dark in their own feces and blood and never touch a blade of grass
> eating animal products is in most cases orders of magnitude worse for the environment than plant-based alternatives
> animal products depend on the exploitation of an underclass of meat processing workers

All of this only applies to the big farm industry. If you eat eggs that come from a small farm family that treats its chicken in a humane way (same for cows, pigs, etc etc) none of those arguments apply.

So no you are not going to convince me with your awful_video_of_animals_in_mass_production_factory#43.mp4 because I only consume products from animals are raised in an ethical manner.

[Anonymous No.11708669]

>>11703856
>Why aren't you vegan yet?

If God did not want us to eat animals they would not be made out of meat.

Bacon is one of God's ways of telling us he loves us.

[Anonymous No.11708678]

>>11707319
Except we're separate people. Dumb ass.

[Anonymous No.11708971]

>>11703856
Eating mammal or bird meat when your life doesn't depend on it is a sign of underdeveloped empathy and brain.
Some seafood like mussels or insects are completely sustainable and do little or no harm to the enviroment. They barely conscious, and just as nutritious as cow or chicken. Going to the extreme of veganism is unecessary and eliminates a food group essential to our diet and development.

[Anonymous No.11709332]

>>11708678
Oh, good to know. I was kinda worried about the consequences of so much stupidity in a single person.

[Anonymous No.11709349]

>>11703856
>> eating animal products is in most cases orders of magnitude worse for the environment than plant-based alternatives
I don't give a fuck

>> animal products depend on the exploitation of an underclass of meat processing workers
I don't give a fuck

>> most industrially farmed animals live in the dark in their own feces and blood and never touch a blade of grass
I don't give a fuck

>> healthy humans have no physiological need for animal products
That's where you are wrong, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.11709357]

>>11703904
>Maybe in a shit country, but you can't get away with that in any western nation. Only buy American.
Man, you’re fucking stupid lol

[Anonymous No.11709364]

Livestock are the most evolved. Free shelter, medical, all the food with zero effort, forever sleep. Wish I could have that.

[Anonymous No.11709631]

>>11707558
>Does a cornstalk ever touch a blade of grass?
it is a grass

[Anonymous No.11709634]

>>11708971
microplasrics?

[Anonymous No.11709666]

You know what, you're right. I'm going to start eating more vegetables and fruits and avoiding meat.

>"oh hey, I see vegan diets are in demand. time to raise prices :)))))"

And then you assholes wonder why I go back to meat when you charge 500 bucks for a head of lettuce.

[Anonymous No.11709702]

>>11703856
Because I'd turn into an annoying prick like you with no benefit to the planet because due to the climate of where I live, I'd have to import over 80% of my diet from halfway across the globe, leaving behind an even larger carbon footprint.
But yeah, I do try not to eat too much pork from producers with a bad rep. I prefer local food if I can.

Take your feels and your opinion piece and fuck off.

[Anonymous No.11709714]

>>11709702
>due to the climate of where I live
Where do you live, where you can farm your lifestocks food but not your own?

[Anonymous No.11709716]

>>11709714
You do know that livestock are ruminants and we're not, right?

[Anonymous No.11709721]

the issue isn't eating meat but over consumption of low quality meat and dairy combined with excess carbs with a deficit of green leafy vegetables
people need to eat more veg but not the pallid watery crap with minimal vitamin and mineral content.

eat good food well raised.

[Anonymous No.11709726]

>>11709716
Yea im not saying that we can eat the same shit.
Read my question again.
I'm genuinely curious where you live and why you can't grow legumes there.

[Anonymous No.11709729]

Aren't rice paddies the biggest emitter of Methane?

[Anonymous No.11709737]

>>11709726
I live on the western coast of Norway. About the only that grows here are some fucking tubers if it doesn't rain too much that year, in which case it just rots in the ground and grass to feed the livestock with, if it doesn't rain too little, in which case we have a different issue.

Most livestock is sheep, which roams outside.

Take your söyshite and shove it up your ass. That's not food fit for man nor beast. It shouldn't even be used for what it's used for here, namely farmed fish fodder. It makes the fish produce Omega-6 fats instead of Omega-3 which it's supposed to produce. It turns the salmon unhealthy to eat, what does that tell you about that diet?

[Anonymous No.11709755]

>>11703896
eating meat doesn't cause obesity

[Anonymous No.11709767]

>>11709755
it depends on the meat.
grain finished beef is unhealthy because the cattle are basically obese it is far healthier to finish on forage
otherwise the meat is loaded with all the storage lipids extracted from the grains.

[Anonymous No.11709771]

>>11709767
"Grain finished" today means, söy pellets from Brazil.

[Anonymous No.11709779]

>>11709737
Well chances are, that even if the meat you buy is from Norway, your lifestocks feed is not.
The current meat consumption of industrialized countries really can't be covered with grass-fed animals alone.

> what does that tell you about that diet?
That its not fit for samons.

[Anonymous No.11709784]

>>11709779
All food sold here has to be labeled with country of origin as well as where it was processed.
100% of what I eat originated here and was processed here.
I also have the luxury of living not too far away from farmlands, so I have on several occasions bought meat and various other produce straight from the source.

Legumes are crap.

[Anonymous No.11709788]

the problem with the industrial food system is it is not focused on the natural position of livestock, they are fundamentally cooperative utilising land types otherwise unsuitable for food cultivation or for consuming the masses of food byproducts, such as straw or chaff or spent brewers grains and sugar beet pulp

they also play a role in stabilisation of food supply in the face of changeable yields
say you plant the same wheat acreage each year but the yield varies due to bad weather or insects, if you are wholly dependent on the grown crop then the only way to survive the yield deficit in a bad year is starvation of part of the population, if you are normally feeding some of your excess supply into pigs then you simply kill some pigs early and don't fatten them and suddenly you have sufficient wheat to keep the population happy
it literally acts as a bleed off valve.

[Anonymous No.11709809]

>>11708971
>mussels
not everyone lives near the sea

[Anonymous No.11709842]

>>11709784
>has to be labeled with country of origin
And what is the country of origin, of a Norwegian cow that gets fed Brazilian onions?

[Anonymous No.11709844]

>>11709842
Did the part about being able to go and get food from local sources pass you by? Eat meat and that won't happen.

[Anonymous No.11709847]

>>11709844
(YOU) never said that you inspected the composition of their fodder.
Also (YOU) said you only got those on
>several occasions
which led me to believe that, like most people you still get most of your meat from a butcher/supermarket.

[Anonymous No.11709857]

>>11709847
Pretty self-explanatory, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.11709862]

>>11703860

No, only everyone stopping will

[Anonymous No.11709897]

>>11709857
Well I guess if you are actually in a position where you can buy truly local meat, then thats might actually be a good alternative.

Just know that for most people this will never be an option again, as we are just too many people to live of grassfed beef.
I as someone from central Europe, where we can grow peas and söy will continue to substitute as many animal products as possible by plant based ones.

[Anonymous No.11709929]

>>11708971
Insects as food is a meme.
>In spite of all the advantages that insect protein are provided, there are some potential challenges caused by production and safety concerns.
>Mass production in the insect industry is a concern due to a lack of technology and funds to efficiently harvest, and produce insects. The machinery would have to house proper enclosure for each life cycle of the insect as well as the temperature control as that is key for insect development.[20]
>The industry also has to consider the shelf life of insects in comparison to animal products as that some can have food safety concerns. Insects have the capability of accumulating potential hazards, such as contaminants, pathogens, the concentration of heavy metals, allergens, and pesticides etc.[21]
Eating fish is a meme
>more expensive
>heavy metals
>microplastics
>more difficult to prepare as food (bones)
Eat free range chicken. Eat eggs. Eat dairy products. Eat the occasional beef or mutton. Don't be a soýboy

[Anonymous No.11709933]

>>11709929
Insects actually make a lot of sense as feed stock for poultry feed

[Anonymous No.11710091]

>>11709897
>peas
How about you actually look at how much protein that shit supplies as well as the profile and not just look at the pea protein cans you get shipped to you.
God damn urban retards.

[Anonymous No.11710180]

Could you modify plants to hyperaccumulate toxic or radioactive molecules the remediate land?

[Anonymous No.11710186]

>>11710180
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5599975/Scientists-discover-oil-eating-bacteria-clean-ocean-devastating-spills.html

[Anonymous No.11710197]

>>11710186
>Daily Mail
anon...you have higher standards than this.

[Anonymous No.11710582]

>>11703856
>Why aren't you vegan yet?

Because I'm not a faggot.

[Anonymous No.11711444]

If not eating animals made global warming, racism, and classism worse, it would still be the right thing to do. Most non-human animals are sentient, and it's not ethical to kill sentient beings for any reason other than self-defense or necessary compassionate euthanasia.

[Anonymous No.11711471]

>>11703904
>Dont care, I won't eat estrogen burgers like a tranny or bugs like a 3rd worlder.
Phytoestrogens have anti-estrogenic effects in humans. Mammalian estrogens in growth hormone-infused meats have estrogenic effects. Red meat gives you tits.

[Anonymous No.11712264]

>>11709929
>heavy metals
>microplastics

Stop getting your fish from the Sea of China

[Anonymous No.11712827]

>>11703856
>>11709862
>>11704045
>https://plagueofstrength.com/vegetarianism-and-veganism-bes/
>https://plagueofstrength.com/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as/
>http://mentalfloss.com/article/32042/corn-flakes-were-invented-part-anti-masturbation-crusade
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#Battle_Creek_Sanitarium
>https://gizmodo.com/dr-kelloggs-15-most-absurd-medical-contraptions-5963269/amp
>https://thetab.com/uk/2017/02/16/vegetarians-unhealthy-mentally-disturbed-says-new-research-33067
>https://plagueofstrength.com/the-war-on-coffee-and-common-sense-or/
>>11711444

[Anonymous No.11712841]

>>11703856
>>11709862
>>11704045
>>11711444
>https://plagueofstrength.com/vegetarianism-and-veganism-bes/
>https://plagueofstrength.com/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as/
>http://mentalfloss.com/article/32042/corn-flakes-were-invented-part-anti-masturbation-crusade
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#Battle_Creek_Sanitarium
>https://gizmodo.com/dr-kelloggs-15-most-absurd-medical-contraptions-5963269/amp
>https://thetab.com/uk/2017/02/16/vegetarians-unhealthy-mentally-disturbed-says-new-research-33067
>https://plagueofstrength.com/the-war-on-coffee-and-common-sense-or/

[Anonymous No.11712844]

its really hard to quit, I dont think I'll be able to, it's like an addiction.. I wish I never knew the taste of good meat.

[Anonymous No.11712846]

>>11703896
>>11703998
>>11704442
>http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2011/12/devil-in-feeding-trough-pge-response-to.html?m=1
>https://chriskresser.com/red-meat-cancer-again-will-it-ever-stop/
>http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/meat-cancer-bacon-who-report-mens-fitness-health
>https://rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
>http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>https://deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/the-curious-case-of-campbells-rats-does-protein-deficiency-prevent-cancer/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/taking-a-trip-down-memory-lane-fishing-for-our-good-friend-glutathione-in-the-waters-of-the-memory-hole-how-t-colin-campbell-helped-prove-that-protein-protects-us
>http://www.saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/2qxnro/red_meat_triggers_toxic_immune_reaction_which/cnai2od/
>http://caloriesproper.com/red-meat-wont-kill-you-it-will-make-you-stronger/

[Anonymous No.11712854]

>>11703856
>eating animal products is in most cases orders of magnitude worse for the environment than plant-based alternatives
>https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659
>https://www.newsweek.com/giving-meat-wont-save-climate-opinion-1193358
>https://futurism.com/the-byte/lab-grown-meat-worse-environment
>https://slate.com/technology/2015/09/in-vitro-meat-probably-wont-save-the-planet-yet.html
>https://earther.gizmodo.com/well-dang-lab-grown-meat-might-bad-for-the-planet-too-1832783987
>https://nypost.com/2018/10/22/no-giving-up-burgers-wont-actually-save-the-planet/
>https://www.sciencealert.com/sorry-but-giving-up-on-meat-is-not-going-to-save-the-planet
>https://reason.com/2019/07/29/why-giving-up-meat-wont-have-much-of-an-effect-on-climate-change/
>http://www.beefmagazine.com/blog/4-facts-debunk-meat-horrible-article
>http://grist.org/sustainable-farming/farmer-responds-to-the-new-york-times-re-sustainable-meat/
>http://www.latimes.com/books/jacketcopy/la-ca-jc-nicolette-hahn-niman-20141123-story.html
>https://theconversation.com/yes-eating-meat-affects-the-environment-but-cows-are-not-killing-the-climate-94968
>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/sep/06/meat-production-veganism-deforestation
>https://blogs.wsj.com/numbers/how-much-meat-do-americans-eat-then-and-now-1792/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/meme/comments/cxtame/im_not_a_burger/

[Anonymous No.11712860]

>>11712854

[Anonymous No.11712861]

>>11710197
regardless of source the bacteria is real
>>11712841
>>11712846
>>11712854
I was wondering when the cattle rancher would find this thread

[Anonymous No.11712872]

>>11703856
>healthy humans have no physiological need for animal products
>https://plagueofstrength.com/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is/
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3529694/#!po=57.9365
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2016/10/latest-study-shows-that-33-gkg-high.html
>http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127
>https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-03/nlmc-nfi030112.php
>https://breakingmuscle.com/healthy-eating/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health/
>https://www.webmd.com/men/features/benefits-protein

[Anonymous No.11712874]

>>11712872

[Anonymous No.11712882]

>>11712872
>>11712874
>>11703856
>"Animals store vitamin B12 in liver and muscle and some pass the vitamin into their eggs and milk; meat, liver, eggs and milk are therefore sources of the vitamin for other animals, including people.[5][7][25] For humans, the bioavailability from eggs is less than 9%, compared to 40% to 60% from fish, >fowl and meat.[26] Insects are a source of B12 for animals (including other insects and humans).[25][27]"
>"Animal sources with a significant content of vitamin B12 (range among top 20 sources of 50 to 99 µg per 100 grams)[28] include clams, organ meats (especially liver) from lamb, veal, beef, and turkey, fish eggs, mackerel, and crab meat.[4][5]"
>"There are no naturally occurring notable vegetable dietary sources of the vitamin"
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12#Animal_sources
>https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-nutrients-you-cant-get-from-plants
>https://dailyhealthpost.com/4-brain-nutrients-found-only-in-meat-fish-and-eggs-not-plants/
>https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-03/nlmc-nfi030112.php
>http://theconversation.com/what-is-taurine-and-how-can-it-improve-psychosis-68747
>https://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013/11/underestimated-vitamin-d-sources.html

[Anonymous No.11712883]

>>11712882

[Anonymous No.11712889]

>>11712860
ead the meat biggot :DDDDD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46XoD6RjkjY

[Anonymous No.11712890]

>>11712883

[Anonymous No.11712892]

>>11712890

[Anonymous No.11712896]

>>11712892
they have the vit A precursor Beta-Carotene

[Anonymous No.11712900]

>>11712892

[Anonymous No.11713000]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0O_VYcsIk8

[Anonymous No.11713032]

>>11710091
[math]\frac{1}{4}[/math] of dry weight. Thats about as much as beef.
Sure it's PDCAAS is quite a bit lower, but if you eat more of it, I don't see a problem.
Thats especially easy if you buy isolate.

[Anonymous No.11713048]

>>11703856
I am.

[Anonymous No.11713051]

>>11703892
If it's the right thing to do, why wait? Go to vegan22.com

[Anonymous No.11713057]

>>11712844
Stay focused on the victims, not on yourself. That is what makes veganism very easy.
Any time you are tempted to give up and buy/eat non-vegan stuff, just ask yourself: "Which is more important? The life and freedom of innocent beings, or my tastebuds and convenience?"
Always remember that question, always ask yourself that question. Giving up would mean betraying the animals, and the animals don't need your excuses, they just need us to not murder them. We must do what is right. Always.

[Anonymous No.11713078]

>>11713057
>this post
Uggh, I'm going to need to deconstruct this nonsense aren't I.

[Anonymous No.11713121]

>>11703856
> eating animal products is in most cases orders of magnitude worse for the environment than plant-based alternatives
I can accept that industrial meat processing at today's scale is bad for the environment, but that alone isn't much of an argument in favor of being vegan
>animal products depend on the exploitation of an underclass of meat processing workers
As opposed to plant processing workers like farmers and factory workers producing foods from plant based sources? those aren't exactly high up there either, pretty equal to meat processing workers in fact.
>healthy humans have no physiological need for animal products
Why would we have evolved as hunter gatherers if meat provides nothing beneficial? why wouldn't humans who rely exclusively on the relatively easier to obtain plant sources outbreed humans who also rely on meat?
Don't say "because we didn't have enough", because if Herbivores could evolve around us to hunt that means there were enough plants to sustain a living organism around us, why didn't we evolve to have a similar diet?
>most industrially farmed animals live in the dark in their own feces and blood and never touch a blade of grass
That's an argument against industrial meat processing, not against meat consumption in general, and I can sympathies with it to a degree.

You've done a good job convincing me we should eat less meat, our hunter-gatherer ancestors who's diet would be the 'ideal' human diet more than likely ate less meat than we do today, but that's not enough to argue against eating meat entirely.

[Anonymous No.11713144]

>>11713121
See that's the real issue here isn't it, the vegans militantly proclaim "no meat" and other insanities while ostracising those who are arguing for the break down of the exploitative agribusiness industry. and a return to a food supply system that is much closer to the land and better for our health, the free market would naturally select for that if people were better educated about the food they consume, the cheap shit is demonstrably bad for our health.

[Anonymous No.11713194]

>>11713121
The "we don't need animal products" argument falls apart when you realize how many people had to quit veganism with health problems.
Vegans just pretend that these people don't exist or were doing the diet wrong, even though they outnumber vegans by 5:1. It's the same as saying socialism is perfect because no one ever did it right.

[Anonymous No.11713227]

>>11713194
>because no one ever did it right
But there are plenty of vegans out there, who are healthy and have been vegan for many years.

There has been this weird trend of a "raw" vegan diet for the past years which consisted mostly of eating raw fruit, which obviously doesn't cover your protein needs. From what I've seen in terms of Youtubers quitting veganism, most of them came from this camp.

There really isn't one vegan diet. Vegan diets range from eating literally nothing to eating a balanced diet containing grains, legumes, vegetables and nuts.

[Anonymous No.11713245]

>>11703856
I'm a vegetarian, vegans are all hysterical malnourished üntermench.

[Anonymous No.11713247]

>>11713227
There is a huge dropoff in vegans around the 5 year mark, which is when the deterioration tends to kick in.

It's also really common for vegans to cheat behind each others backs because it's a black-and-white purity cult:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/millions-brits-lying-being-vegan-21554332
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animals-and-us/201109/why-are-there-so-few-vegetarians

Just listen to some ex-vegan interviews and often you'll hear that they have been eating animal products for quite a while before telling their friends.
Prominent examples that have been caught are Jon Venus and Yovana Mendoza.

[Anonymous No.11713254]

>>11713247
Even the studies that vegans praise so much were done on flexitarians. They assessed their dietary intake with a single food questionnaire over 5 years and just grouped low meat consumers as "vegans" because they couldn't even find enough people that were able to follow the diet

[Anonymous No.11713288]

>>11713247
>dropoff in vegans around the 5 year mark
Which can be explained by veganism becoming popular only recently.
>which is when the deterioration tends to kick in
For some, yes.
>Jon Venus
He ate eggs for a week or so once, when he was in self doubt over if it was responsible to raise his kids vegan. His wife didn't for the whole time.

It's really the same thing all the time:
> Veganism is unhealthy!! so many quit all the time!
Yes some vegan diets are unhealthy however there are vegan diets that are absolutely fine, as proven by many examples of healthy vegans.
> No, they must be lying!!!!

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002822303002943?via%3Dihub
>Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence.

[Anonymous No.11713309]

>>11713288
>Which can be explained by veganism becoming popular only recently.
Veganism has existed since 1944.

>It's really the same thing all the time:
Vegans denying how their diet is factually deficient because it's a cult that has no compassion for humans.

>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002822303002943?via%3Dihub
I'm glad you cited this paper because now I can point out how it was written and reviewed by three professional career vegan shills who have a religious and ethical agenda.
>B-but just because they are biased doesn't mean they are wrong!!
The claim they are making (vegan diets appropriate for all stages) are not based on real-world observation, they are basically saying "yeah you can get these nutrients so it must be adequate". And by the way, they are not even listing all nutrients that are missing in a vegan diet.

[Anonymous No.11713324]

Veganism naturally creates a lot of food waste by-products, what is the best way to utilise them?

[Anonymous No.11713373]

I like the taste, I like variety in the things I eat and restricting me to plant-based food would limit the availability to choose, and most vegan meals that taste good require much more effort to prepare. I could probably be vegan, and I would probably if you paid me a thousand euros a month to be one.

[Anonymous No.11713408]

>>11713309
I don't see the conflict of interest.
Are you saying there is one, just because those people are vegan themselves?
Are therefore all your trashy newspaper articles that you "cite" written in a conflict of interest, because the authors are non-vegans?

[Anonymous No.11713409]

>>11713408
>I don't see the conflict of interest.

[Anonymous No.11713455]

>>11712854
>>11712860
>>11712889

[Anonymous No.11713466]

>>11713455
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5aOk38Yu0k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iTJHppEFVM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elAh1glfOx4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Bcc_crZHE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhPnSIZE5zE

[Anonymous No.11713495]

>>11704433
If it's cheaper, tastier and more nutritious, of course I'll eat it, but for now I'll stick to shooting pigs between the eyes.

[Anonymous No.11714286]

>>11713455
I'm pretty sure that glass isn't made of cow bones.

[Anonymous No.11714848]

>>11704557
>>11704808
they cut down the rainforest for the luxury exotic old growth wood for furniture and crafts, then it turns into a relative wasteland where only grass and shrubs grow because they out-compete anything else, so they turn it into cattle pasture because that's the only thing they can do with it (aside from the long task of regrowing the forest at it's edges)

[Anonymous No.11717457]

>>11703856
>Why aren't you vegan yet
Im not a fag

[Anonymous No.11717485]

>>11703856
Sounds like processing and factory farming is the issue so why don't we just... stop it?

[Anonymous No.11717614]

>>11713057
but almost all animals would eat me if they could... I dont have a lot of respect for living beings, neither my own nor of other animals but I care about humanity and life as a whole

for me those are different things

[Anonymous No.11717622]

you know when dogs are left alone with their dead owner they eat him...

what do vegans say to this? animals would eat you if they could.

[Anonymous No.11723904]

>>11703892
moron SAY NO TO VEGAN BULLSHIT, LEFTISTS WANT TO TRANSFORM YOU TO FAGGOTS AND PLANT EATERS

[Anonymous No.11723908]

Because I don't need to be.

[Anonymous No.11723923]

>>11703856
I'm not really one for fads, especially when they effect my health

[Anonymous No.11724181]

>>11703856
Because we eat meat you fucking faggot. It tastes great and it's healthy. there are plants that eat more meat than you do. you wanna bitch or you wanna start making lab grown meat affordable and commercially available? because otherwise this barbecues gonna keep goin. And before you even ask I know exactly how the slaughter process goes. It's actually your fucking autism for the fair treatment of my burger that makes farms have to follow ridiculously strict "humane" regulations that they can't afford that then forces them to create more streamlined and unnatural living conditions just to compensate. congrats on ruining something that worked fine before just like everything else you dumb fucks think helps. pat yourself on the back and eat your little green beans.