Objectively why is anything morally wrong?

[Anonymous No.11694327]

How can atheists complain people are immoral when they believe that morals are relative? You have no basis to complain about rape, murder, persecution of whites, thievery, drunkeness, etc. All those things are relatively immoral to you but to others they are relatively very moral and should be promoted.

Trans people are moral if their morals are relative to it being good and you have ZERO basis to complain. There is no objective right or wrong therefore you can decide what is right and wrong. Child rape is only relatively wrong in your world view but to others it is good. How can you complain? Is this not what you want? You have absolute freedom to define what is right and wrong yet you complain when others exercise that ability? Hypocrites!

[Anonymous No.11694349]

>>11694327
>there is no right or wrong, there are no morals, anything goes goy!
t. Cohen Goldblatt

[Anonymous No.11694354]

Anything which does not benefit the elites who control medias is wrong.

[Anonymous No.11694370]

>>11694327
>atheists
This is /sci/ - science and math

You're looking for >>>/leddit/

[Anonymous No.11694376]

All have broken God's moral law of the 10 commandments and must pay the fine of death, but Christ came to legally acquit you by paying that fine on the Cross. Jesus will pay your fine and you will legally be allowed into heaven but only if you believe the Gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) with all your heart

The Gospel "Good News" is: Jesus died for your sins, as according to the scriptures; was buried and then rose on the third day as according to the scriptures.

Believe that with all your heart and you will be filled with the Holy Spirit.

[Anonymous No.11694389]

>>11694327
The whole objective vs subjective morality is an ongoing debate in philosophy.. whether you decide on either is probably based on your perspective.

I like Daniel Dennett's evolution related ideas and some of Dr. Edward Dutton's musings. There are also some excellent back-and-forth paper arguments but I cannot remember which ones they are so you're on your own with that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Dennett#Evolutionary_debate
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMRs0Ml8RF0cWVAOeQeBxTw

[Anonymous No.11694405]

>>11694327
>hose things are relatively immoral to you but to others they are relatively very moral
This is sci not pol or lit
But to answer your question morality is just a bunch of norms that regulate human behaviour to avoid conflict among members of a society.
There are universal moral values that have been practiced by all societies that ever existed and those that didn't practiced them ended up going exinct, things like rape, murder and theft (only between members of the same society though).
It is reasonable that some social norms that originated out of superstitious believes and that do not cause damage to other humans are eliminated.
In the case of transexualism, there is no damage being done to others, though things get complicated when we factor in the tendency to try to force or manipulate children to transition.
Anyway fuck off now

[Anonymous No.11694543]

>>11694405
philosophy is de facto a /lit/ topic. they are obsessed with philosphy, especially philosphy about unsolvable soft topics with lowest commond denominoator appeal like morality and suffering and meaning of life.

[Anonymous No.11694567]

>>11694405
>>11694543
nvm i misread your post, i raed it as "this is not sci or pol or lit", but you already said that this is a /lit/ topic.

[Anonymous No.11694615]

>>11694327
this isn’t a philosophy or religion board
>>>/lit/
>>>/his/
there are two whole boards for this faggot

[Anonymous No.11694655]

>>11694327
Why do you need it to be objective? Forming your own morality and complaining about others who do something you find immoral is the way the world has always worked. Sure, someone may disagree with you. So what? If you don't like child rape you should make sure the people around you have the same opinion and then throw the dissenter in jail. Let them complain about objectivity while they rot.

[Anonymous No.11694714]

>>11694655
Because maybe the idea of objective morality is the premise for laws that would put the person in question in jail?

[Anonymous No.11694719]

>>11694405
>But to answer your question morality is just a bunch of norms that regulate human behaviour to avoid conflict among members of a society.
whoa now fella, tame that big brain of yours

[Anonymous No.11694797]

>>11694327
>How can atheists complain people are immoral when they believe that morals are relative?
Are morals relative to God's commands?

[Anonymous No.11694805]

>>11694327
no its the other way around. There are normal intrinsically good people (atheists). And people who know how brain-fucked they are if religion didnt hold theme back, thats the same people who push for religion. (jews christs, muslimes all secret mass murderers)

[Anonymous No.11694811]

>>11694714
That's the premise for people who don't want to take responsibility for their actions.

Unfortunately, something can only be judged moral or immoral by a biased observer, so it is inherently subjective. Even a moral command from God is just his opinion.

[Anonymous No.11694836]

>>11694327
How can theists complain people are immoral when they can't make up which god or gods give them their morality. Just ask the Muslims, Jews, Hindus, tribal animists, etc who is god(s) and what he/she/it/they say is moral or immoral. Hell, even going by a single "religion" still leaves you in a land of confusion with all of the different denominations of just Christianity alone. OP may say his is the one true faith and his god is the only one...just like all of the fundamentalist theists of every other faith out there.

[Anonymous No.11694856]

>>11694836
what? if you ask any jew they will say its from God/Yahweh, if you ask any Christian they will say God, I'm not so sure about Islam but I think they derive all their morals from the commands of Allah since its an Abrahamic religion. Theres no issue of deciding who gave them their morality.

[Anonymous No.11694857]

>>11694327
Humans are agents and seek goals due to internal motivations.

From that fundamental point it is trivially easy to use logic to show that creating a social system that protects freedoms is what is most beneficial overall for a person, rather than unstructured war of all against all anarchy.

"but why not just rape and murder"

You're literally trying to make the proposal "I don't want to live in a world that is full of wanton violence and horror" come off as somehow unreasonable when virtually no one would ever dream of questioning it.

If you want to play autistic games with semantics feel free, I don't give a shit. I also don't mind if you think God dictates morality-He very well may, I'm agnostic. But don't pretend this is some profound insight you've had. It's a trite appeal to absurdity that reflects the views of no one.

[Anonymous No.11694889]

>>11694856
Last I checked, Muslims and Jews didn't believe their one God is composed of three people. Not that it matters since the supposedly one god all three worships have a different set of holy books telling them to do different things.

Oh and all of you could be getting it wrong and pissing off Wotan with your idolatry.

[Anonymous No.11694895]

Indeed. As Dostoevsky said, "Without God, everything is permitted".

>>11694836
> You believe in relativity, LOL
> proceeds to list all the theories of the universe that have existed since before Aristotle

This is what reddit does to the brain.

[Anonymous No.11694911]

>>11694889
your bait is still really bad and you just come off as a retard. I'm not sure if you are being retarded on purpose or you are really this poorly educated on religion.

[Anonymous No.11694916]

>>11694327
>>11694376
>>11694895

Repeating yourself over and over again is not an argument.

[Anonymous No.11694920]

>>11694911
Fuck you and fuck your gaslighting.

[Anonymous No.11694939]

>>11694916
its literally 2 posts out of 23 posts, and they are the only correct ones. the modern pseudointellectials that call themselves "philosophers" will never be able to agree on morality, because its simply an impossible thing to resolve. the only source of morality is from beyond this world, in God.
>>11694920
its obvious you are trying to provoke religious people by attacking their religions, but you failed to attack the religion because your logic is just so far off. your posts inspire confusion and laughter, not anger.

[Anonymous No.11695267]

>>11694939
>its literally 2 posts out of 23 posts

And if you made the other 21 posts, that would mean something. Oh and three posts were cited and not just two. Are you unable to count or unable to tell the truth?

>the only source of morality is from beyond this world, in God.

And your proof it's your god and not the other 4,999 is....

>its obvious you are trying to provoke religious people by attacking their religions

You were being told the truth. It just seems like an attack from the perspective of a dishonest person, which is why you were gaslighting - your dishonesty. You made a personal attack without explaining what was wrong with >>11694889. This is a cheap, punk ass tactic used by someone who doesn't have a real argument. You're playing head games to hide the fact you have nothing to back up your bare assertions in the hopes no one will call you out for it.

[Anonymous No.11695290]

>over 2000 years since the greeks
>retards STILL think that philsophy is where we should turn to for morality and that there is one answer to the question of morality despite over 2000 years of disagreement
its time to come home. there are things which are beyond this world.

[Anonymous No.11695296]

>>11694327

From a practical standpoint it's very simple
No morality reverts the world to tribalism at best constant small scale wars population shrinks by several orders of magnitude etc...
And this is actually the only real reason morality does exist because it allows for building bigger more advanced civilizations as long as it can be enforced and so everything else you might think it's about is a result of it being enforced on you probably from day 1 of birth and thus you have been successfully indoctrinated into civilization

[Anonymous No.11695346]

>>11694895
Garbage quote

[Anonymous No.11695653]

>>11694719
kek. this

[Anonymous No.11695663]

>>11695346
elaborate faggot

[Anonymous No.11695705]

>>11694327
>People still debating Atheism vs Religion/Creationism/____ism
Who gives a fuck

[Anonymous No.11695754]

>>11694327
>How can atheists complain people are immoral when they believe that morals are relative?
how can the religious complain about faggots existing in secular societies when they should know that their shit doesn't matter to anything

>You have no basis to complain about rape, murder, persecution of whites, thievery, drunkeness, etc.
yes i do. law exists. you can't commit a crime (any crime) and then go to the judge and tell him "i'm innocent cause the bible tells me so". religion is irrelevant.

>You have absolute freedom to define what is right and wrong yet you complain when others exercise that ability? Hypocrites!
we have the same powers as everyone else. gay marriage was lobbied for a while, and passed in no time and without resistance cause our opponents were laughable. if you don't have money, science, the media, and etc... on your side you're irrelevant. so not only you hold no institutional power, how you think you can ascribe your own personal set of rules on others. you think way too highly of yourself

[Anonymous No.11695833]

>>11694327
You are talking about Moral Relativism which is what leads to Social Darwinism which is what leads to the mass murdering of hundred of millions that occured less than a century ago in both World Wars.
If you think your moral relativism is correct then you may as well consider yourself a psychopath.

[Anonymous No.11697869]

>>11694939
there's no god. the only source of morality is conformance between evolved psychology and game theory.

[Anonymous No.11698073]

>>11694327
Different groups select for different sets of genes based on previous gene-environment interaction. Morality is just an innate feeling, selected for by your evolutionary environment.
e.g.
consider china, regularly hit by waves of famines for the last 4000 years. They have a very low disgust reflex hence they don't mind eating bugs/throwing dogs in woks alive.

Middle east have have very high rates of cousin marriage. In Europe however the catholic church advanced they nuclear family, pre-disposing later generations to finding near-kin marriages "yucky".

Longer life history strategies selected for in the west essentially selected for monogamy. For Indonesian tribespeoples/bushmen the bottom 40% of men never even breed, as the top males take most of the females. Euros think its "wrong" to have multiple partners (well most do), for tribesmen its a sign of failure if you only impregnate one woman.

[Anonymous No.11698233]

>>11694327

>>11698073
Basically I can complain because I innately think its wrong. It triggers disgust I don't want to deal with.

[Anonymous No.11698265]

>>11694327
>atheists [...] believe that morals are relative
What makes you think this is the case, OP?

[Anonymous No.11698284]

>>11694354
basically this

[Anonymous No.11699619]

>>11695290
The problem with this reply is that your using a image from the Later-Day Church in your response.

[Anonymous No.11699641]

Many atheists are utilitarian, philosophically speaking, not moral relativists. They of course neglect to either understanding or simply ignore the massive issues with utilitarianism.

[Anonymous No.11699672]

>>11694327
>Objectively why is anything morally wrong?
this is not a science question

[Anonymous No.11700030]

>>11694405
Lmao trannies being "normal" is a completely new phenomenon and theres already plenty of reasons to be against them

[Anonymous No.11700076]

>>11694327
It is no coincidence that things seen as moral are also good traits for being a parent. This links moral actions to reproducing in a quite natural way.

Getting along in society also increases the chance of your offspring and close kin surviving.

https://youtu.be/7XtvWkRRxKQ?t=1m40s

[Anonymous No.11700318]

>>11694327
>How can you even be late for work when time is relative?
That's how stupid you are.