/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11682078]

Prove depression exists

[Anonymous No.11682088]

>>11682078
I can't, because it doesn't exist. What I can do however is to hand out free redpills. Such as the following:

[Anonymous No.11682093]

>>11682088

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXSoiziPdek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRj9CxkVrz0

https://archive.is/aCwbz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMi_s8hYRSg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQegsqYhuZE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-wMP2Q0Ifs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JQ8OVHVWA

https://ssristories.org/ssris/

https://ssristories.org/category/cause-of-death/suicide/

https://breggin.com/medication-madness-how-psychiatric-drugs-cause-violence-suicide-and-crime/

https://breggin.com/the-hazards-of-psychiatric-diagnosis/

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[Anonymous No.11682095]

>>11682093

> Creating Your Own Mental Disorder

> First, let’s choose some common human experience that most people find unpleasant. How about boredom? Most people experience boredom as...

> unpleasant

> So — let’s get started and substitute the word “pathological” for /unpleasant/

> Doesn’t that simple switch start to give it that ‘disease feel’ already? Pathological boredom!

> The next step is to name our disease. How about “interest deficit disorder” or “motivation deficit disorder”? Better yet, let’s find a medical-sounding word from Latin to substitute for boredom. How about “Dysmoveria”? /Movere/ is Latin for motivation. By naming our disease, we are practically all the way to creating it. When you open a door to a new mental disorder millions of people will rush headlong right in and embrace it, as if they’d been waiting their whole life for just this opportunity. Suddenly they aren’t sad or anxious or bored—they’re afflicted with something.

> We have our disease named: dysmoveria. It sounds a little strange now but it won’t when tens of millions of people start using it and chatting about their disorder. “I’m taking Moveritol for my dysmoveria and it’s working wonders!”

> Next we need a symptom picture. What does it look like and feel like when you’re bored? Well, a bored person would probably experience some or all of the following:

> 1. A lack of interest in usual pursuits
> 2. Apathy about life
> 3. A pessimistic attitude
> 4. Feelings of “emotional instability”
> 5. Difficulty concentrating on ordinary tasks
> 6. A lack of energy
> 7. Chronic fatigue
> 8. Sleeping too much or too little
> 9. Feelings of boredom

[Anonymous No.11682102]

>>11682095

> How many of these must be present in order for us to “diagnose the mental disorder” of dysmoveria? Since obviously we want more rather than fewer people to fit the diagnostic criteria so that we can create plenty of patients and plenty of drug buyers for Moveritol, let’s make sure that only a few symptoms are needed in order to qualify—let’s say, five. Let’s continue pulling numbers out of thin air and say that these five symptoms must have been present for at least two weeks. Five symptoms, two weeks—sounds good.

> Let’s also make this negotiable. If only four symptoms are present and if they’ve only been present for twelve days, we’re not going to quibble. Heck, if the “primary” symptom is present—feelings of boredom—that’s really enough! We’ll call that looseness “professional discretion.”

> Officially you will need to display five symptoms and have displayed them for two weeks. We offer no rationale for these numbers, as no rationale is needed when creating a new mental disorder. Nor could any rationale conceivably be provided. Unofficially, all you need to do is announce that you’re bored—that’s all we really need to hear!

> Next, if we were doing this “for real,” we would gather a panel of clinicians—some psychiatrists, psychologists, family therapists, and clinical social workers—and we’d ask them, “Do your clients or patients ever report this symptom picture?” “Yes!” they’d cry in unison. “We see this all time!” “Great!” we’d reply. “We have ourselves a genuine disorder!”

[Anonymous No.11682103]

>>11682102

> Next we’d work on “differential diagnosis criteria,” that is, on distinguishing dysmoveria from, say, clinical depression, which it quite resembles in its symptom picture. How would we know which was which? Naturally enough, we would know according to the self-reports of patients. The primary differential diagnostic criterion would be that if you reported feeling sad we’d go with depression and if you reported feeling bored we’d go with dysmoveria. Simple enough!

> Next, how shall we treat dysmoveria? Well, with some “combination” of treatments—this allows everyone with a clinical practice to have patients. Whatever your license says you are allowed to do, we will say “works.” Those clinicians like psychologists, family therapists and clinical social workers who can’t prescribe medication will be permitted to “talk it away.” Those clinicians like psychiatrists who can prescribe medication will be permitted to prescribe. We need not provide any rationale as to why a mental disorder should be treatable just by talking about it. Talking is a completely customary way to treat mental disorders and needs no rationale.

> Of course we’d get drug researchers right on it to create a drug that can reduce or eliminate the symptoms of dysmoveria. This is much simpler than it sounds, since there is no actual underlying disease to be treated. If you had a malignant tumor, you’d need to treat the tumor and not just the symptoms of its presence. Here we are just treating symptoms, since there is nothing present “underneath” except boredom. So our drug research can be up and running instantly, since our goal is the relatively simple one of eliminating or masking certain symptoms.

[Anonymous No.11682104]

>>11682103

> An additional option, if we happen to have a few neuroscientists among our friends, would be to have them do a little brain scanning. You know what? They would discover that a brain looks different according to whether you do or don’t have dysmoveria! Wow. When you’re bored fewer parts of your brain light up than when you’re excited. This kind of observation thrills people and sounds very scientific. It is completely meaningless in and of itself—of course your brain will light up in different ways depending on whether you’re watching the shopping channel or doing calculus—but people take it to mean something. This is muddy cause-and-effect in action. So it’s quite a useful add-on!

> Naturally it helps in this process of creating mental disorders to be in a position of authority. Being a psychiatrist or having some association with a drug company wouldn’t hurt. But, really, anyone can pull off the feat. Just write a book that makes the case for your new mental disorder, hire a publicist, and let’s see how long it takes before patients line up! Wouldn’t millions of people suddenly discover that they were suffering from “internet distraction disorder” or “post-retirement dysthmia” as soon as they heard about it? You bet they would!

[Anonymous No.11682112]

>>11682104

> Any unwanted human experience can be turned into a mental disorder by following the simple steps I’ve just outlined. Try it yourself with envy (invidia), rage (furorism), loneliness (infrequentia), or doubt (dubitarism). You can turn any normal human experience into a mental disorder following these steps. Sleeping more than usual? Going through the motions? Not interested in what’s going on around you? Apathetic? Bored? That exactly describes a teenager on a two-week summer vacation with her parents! But now we have a better name for it: dysmoveria. Isn’t it nice that soon there will be a drug to give your daughter so that she will be more pleasant and pliable when she accompanies you on your annual vacation to Nebraska?

> I think you can see the basic ruse. What is the phrase “mental disorder” supposed to connote? As it is currently used, it means precisely the following: anything not wanted. All you need to do is give the unwanted experience a medical-sounding name and describe its look and you’ve created a disorder. That look is called a “symptom picture” but that’s just a fancy phrase meant to sound more impressive than “look.” Give a human experience a fancy name and describe its look—that’s all that’s needed. The unwanted, troubling experience is surely real, but calling it a mental disorder is just a profitable naming game.

[Anonymous No.11682168]

>>11682078
>Only have a loving pet
1/5 ain't bad

[Anonymous No.11682182]

>>11682078
lmao i hope whoever made this image feels awful now for implying that literally everyone has friends, a gf, and successfully acheived their goals. most depressed people have none of those things, and this will just make them sadder.

[Anonymous No.11682198]

>>11682078
Suicides happen, ergo depression exists.

[Anonymous No.11682204]

>>11682078
Some forms of depression respond to anti-inflammatory medication
http://www.psychiatriapolska.pl/uploads/images/PP_3_2018/ENGver437Galecki_PsychiatrPol2018v52i3.pdf

More info on inflammation and depression
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/2470679

Structural analysis of depressed brains vs. regular ones
http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTotal-XLKX201601033.htm

Changes in brain structure due to childhood adversity implicated in depression
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022395616306665

anxiety disorders and stress lead to long term brain damage
https://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/wk/yco/2016/00000029/00000001/art00010

[Anonymous No.11682209]

>>11682078
That infographic is the most retarded thing I've ever seen in my entire life.

[Anonymous No.11682213]

>>11682078
I have literally none of that lmao.

[Anonymous No.11682217]

I don’t have friends, someone who loves me, a pet, nor nor have I achieved my goals though.

[Anonymous No.11682228]

Dear Schizo OP spammer,

You are correct. Depression is a human word and construct for a state of mind that could in fact exist with none.

Realizing this obvious fact and then concluding whoever made it up must be crazy for calling it so is in itself crazy. The utility of the term to your shrink is having a word and classification for a pattern of behaviors so that they may be managed pharmacologically or with therapy. Failure to do so may result in distress or suffering for the person (which we want to decrease and they, by seeking care with a shrink, want to decrease as well), which is precisely the underlying criteria by which behaviors are labeled as disorders in the DSM.

[Anonymous No.11682229]

>>11682168
And even if they have these things, telling a depressed person that they should be happy usually just makes it worse as they don't know why they're depressed and can't just switch to not being depressed without faking it.

[Anonymous No.11682230]

>>11682112
Good red pills. The space (online or IRL) where such honesty can be expressed grows smaller.

[Anonymous No.11682257]

>>11682228
You completely miss the point about mental health and pharma running a predatory racket/cult.

[Anonymous No.11682260]

>>11682078
I don't have any of that

[Anonymous No.11682274]

>>11682257
And the predatory racket that religion and actually cults have been running for longer is better? Health care is an iterative process. Not denying that there are some groups predating on mental illness, but saying that those groups are the worst is disingenuous at best.

But sure, leave it untreated and ignore your feelings until you get irreversible damage.
https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lanpsy/PIIS2215-0366(18)30087-7.pdf

[Anonymous No.11682275]

>>11682078
>>11682078
I think that depression is just the constant negative valuing of something. Your general emotional state would always be below average. Hence why people feel depressed or get actual depression.

They are just constantly reminded or they constantly experience something that invokes negative emotions. e.g. Someone depressed about life, someone depressed about feeling responsible for someone important to them dying, someone who's labeled a failure, etc. They lack the will to control how they react or the control to change their values so they are ultimately left in a pit of sadness.

[Anonymous No.11682291]

>goals achieved
>diploma
>implying

[Anonymous No.11682298]

>>11682275
Start with one lie at a time, before we start random comparison

[Anonymous No.11682300]

>>11682298
Oops/274
Quoted wrong post

[Anonymous No.11682309]

>>11682078
labor alienation

[Anonymous No.11682319]

[Anonymous No.11682348]

>>11682319
>25
If only

[Anonymous No.11682465]

>>11682182
Definitely not the point of the image, I've known someone who has expressed a similar complaint as this image makes. The most common reaction to depression is to address the basics: social life, love life (can require kids if the biological clock says so), family, friends, work, education and physical activity. Between all of those things, usually the source of someone's depression is an inadequacy in one or many of them.

For whatever small fraction of a percentage of depressed people who have all of those things properly sorted out saying they're still severely unhappy (hint: almost no one), it can be hard to believe them, and these are probably the only people who should use antidepressants.

When someone has their life in good order and still feels depressed, they're met with skepticism both by people who are depressed (because generally the lives of the depressed are a shit show, of their own making or otherwise), and by people who aren't depressed, like their family, who don't see it and just don't want to see it because they'll feel bad.

[Anonymous No.11682600]

>>11682078
cope

[Anonymous No.11682826]

>>11682078
>depression
Psychology and psychiatry will be decimated by neurology in the coming years.

[Anonymous No.11682951]

Why is it always the schizo cases the ones saying mental diseases aren't real?

[Anonymous No.11682968]

>>11682078
>>11682078
These memes are retarded. Depression isn't sadness, it's the inability to feel any emotions. It's useless to tell a depressed person to "cheer up" because they are literally incapable of being emotionally attached to anything.

[Anonymous No.11682988]

>>11682257
The only thing predatory about pharma is the prices they're allowed to charge in the states.

[Anonymous No.11683010]

>>11682968
You're also retarded. That's not what depression is at all.

[Anonymous No.11683012]

>>11682112
>invidia
I'm poor, can I use intel graphics instead?

[Anonymous No.11683019]

>>11682182
thats the point. true depression has nothing to do with your achievements or failures.

[Anonymous No.11683101]

Imagine not having any serotonin or dopamine making you unable to form any new brain connections

[Anonymous No.11683111]

>>11682078
QED

[Anonymous No.11683117]

>>11682988
Naivelord or shilllord?

[Anonymous No.11683162]

>>11683019
And that's why it's so hard to understand without experiencing it.

[Anonymous No.11683194]

Psycho-motor retardation is the body's response to chronic stress. Stress is regulated by the endocannabinoid system. Systematic exposure to stressful stimuli such as phobias and physical exercise can increase stress resistance and increase your stress response. Endocannabinoids are derived from fatty acids, and regulated by GABA and Serotonin, which are derived from glutamate and tryptophan respectively. Glutamate is derived from glutamaic acid. Both glutamic acid and tryptophan are amino acids commonly found in meat and dairy products. Because tryptophan is an essential amino acid, it cannot be synthesized in the body and must be ingested through diet. Glutamic acid however is non-essential and can be synthesized in the body.

While tryptophan can cross the blood-brain barrier and then be converted into serotonin to be used in the brain, it competes with other amino acids when crossing the barrier. When you eat sugar, your insulin increases, signaling your muscles to all available amino acids (protein). Since our muscles don't use tryptophan, there is less competition for tryptophan when crossing the blood-brain barrier which allows more of it to cross and be converted into serotonin in the brain.

[Anonymous No.11683637]

>>11682095
nice copypasta, did you crtl c and crtl v that all by yourself. What a lad

[Anonymous No.11683732]

>>11683637
No just my thoughts I had over dinner.

[Anonymous No.11683739]

>>11683111
LOL

[Anonymous No.11683780]

I tried friends. It's overrated, they make you guilt-trip yourself and you have to constantly put in work even or maybe especially if they're sincerely good people and give you genuine validation.

>>11683111
Should be mountain dew, but still based.

[Anonymous No.11683783]

>>11682078
>pets
Pets fucking suck. Who wants a smelly animal around that you have to constantly either let outside to piss and shit or clean up after?

[Anonymous No.11683786]

>>11682078
What if htat's not what you want?

[Anonymous No.11684133]

>>11682093
>>11682095
>>11682102
>>11682103
>>11682104
>>11682112
>Mental illness doesn't exist, because it's just compositions of emotional states
Are you really going to try and pass of that hyper-reductionist bullshit as a "red pill"? This is like arguing that propaganda doesn't exist, because WW2 posters were just some pictures with words underneath.

[Anonymous No.11684575]

>>11684133
Yeah

[Anonymous No.11684591]

>>11682951
That’s a good question, seems to have interesting implications

[Anonymous No.11684613]

>>11682078
https://youtu.be/NOAgplgTxfc

please watch this to learn about the
neurophysiological effects of depression,
and the history of antidepressents.

[Anonymous No.11685022]

>>11682078
>A diploma is used by the artist as a metaphor for "goals achieved"
The fact that the author believes a diploma is anything but a piece of paper stating you don't need a babysitter anymore gave me depression.

[Anonymous No.11685030]

>>11682078
what kind of psyop bullshit is this picture?

[Anonymous No.11685049]

>>11682078
what the hell does distracted even mean?
I'm not depressed, I'm "distracted"? Distracted by what?

[Anonymous No.11685117]

>>11682204
it took 3 replies for the schizo to show up not bad

[Anonymous No.11685708]

>>11682078
divorced last year after 11 years (got married with 19yo), lost all my friends while married because those fuckers remained single and partying like hell, i own a fashion brand and the company that was of my father, he already passed away, I never was close to my mother, she got married again and hasn't seen her for almost two years, no brothers or sis, no family around...
I tried to date for almost 3 months but it didn't work out and with this fucking covid-19 crises i am feeling lonely as hell and I am losing all the expectation for the future...i never felt depressed before, but it's hard to keep focused with so much shit around...

[Anonymous No.11685734]

>>11685708
any kids?

[Anonymous No.11685780]

>>11682078
Parts of the brain can get smaller in severe cases. Seems pretty compelling to me.

[Anonymous No.11685787]

>>11683783
You have to constantly clean up after your own shits.

[Anonymous No.11685800]

>>11685787
everybody has to deal with his shit

[Anonymous No.11686782]

>>11685708
>got married with 19yo
story?

[Anonymous No.11688201]

>>11686782
Age is just a number, bro

[Anonymous No.11688438]

Depression keeps becoming more and more prevalent over time. Either it is being over diagnosed to sell more pills, or social factors are contributing to its arise.
So either we step up efforts to drug the whole population, or we to fix society itself.

I think it has to do a lot with the stark decay in social capital we've experienced in Western countries over the past 50 years, as well as due to technological isolation.