The Luminiferous Aether

[Anonymous No.11680885]

Why was this theory so readily dismissed, on the basis of a single experiment (Michelson Morley)? I think more experiments are warranted, but I'm not smart enough to think of any. But if light travels as a particle upon a wave of aether, we can avoid a lot of the problems with quantum weirdness. The odd implications of the double slit experiment, for example, could be easily resolved if this theory is resurrected.

[Anonymous No.11680990]

It wasn't a single experiment, the michelsen morley does not disprove the ether on its own, it tells us that IF the ether exists, we (earth) are stationary relative to it, but stellar aberration which was known earlier demands that IF the ether exists we are moving relative to it. Both of those IFs cannot be true together, so ether does not exist. Obviously now if you want to still keep ether after this, it will be because of some "duality" which seems like the "quantum weirdness" you want to escape from.

[Anonymous No.11681011]

>>11680990

wonderful post desu

[Anonymous No.11681016]

>>11680990
Thanks for the response. I wondered why the Michelson Morley experiment assumed that the Earth was moving through a stream of aether, which was not subject to the same gravitational laws as all other matter. How does stellar aberration prove that the aether must be moving relative to the Earth? If it's a long explanation I'll try to find it myself.

[Anonymous No.11681047]

>>11680990
Forget the explanation - I looked it up myself.
If anyone can recommend any good books on the history of aether theory, with explanations geared towards a more general audience, I'd appreciate it.
I can't help but think that we dumped it prematurely. Primarily because of certain metaphysical beliefs I hold, which I won't go in to here.

[Anonymous No.11681490]

>>11680885
>I'm not smart enough to think
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[Anonymous No.11681520]

>>11681047
http://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe

[Anonymous No.11681530]

>>11680885
>so readily dismissed
The fuck are you talking about, it was the status quo for ages. Despite being looked for, high and low, it was never detected, and the theories didn't accurately predict what was being directly observed to be happening in the world around us.

[Anonymous No.11681536]

>>11680990

This is easily explained by the Earth dragging the Aether with it, you fucking brainlet. And this is what would be expected of a "fluid" aether you boomer sheep npc fuckwad

[Anonymous No.11681553]

>>11681536
awwww it's retarded

[Anonymous No.11681560]

>>11681553

Please tell me how your dumbshit MM disproves aether drag your boomer brainwashed faggot

[Anonymous No.11681565]

>>11681553

You are literally a sheep faggot who wasnt smart enough to pass the filter. MM, while likely not intentionally so, is maybe the greatest filter ever for determining who can and cannot think logically. You failed. Its okay. Most people do. Most people are sheep schizo retards in this crazy dumbshit soft pathetic world so at least you wont be lonely.

[Anonymous No.11681569]

>>11680885
>things theories are disproving with one theory
found the retard. A real retard that doesn’t know anything about the scientific community but like to talks about pseudo science

[Anonymous No.11681572]

>>11681553

Actually I bet it is intentional. The adults needed a test to prove who was smart enough to be included in the inner circle. Could be about regurgitating knowedge... no they needed something subtle. They needed to figure our who had the balls to say "this is bullshit" even when crammed down everyones throats from an early age. Enter MM, a theory just flawed enough that true Chads would reject it while Betas would eat it up like they do everything that authority tells them, since they are soft dumb little worms.

[Anonymous No.11681573]

>>11681569
With one experiment I meant

[Anonymous No.11681579]

>>11681569

Please, tell us all about how aether drag was disproven when MM conducted their experiment on a mountain lololololil hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahha

YOU CANNOT EVEN GET ABOUT ATMOSPHERE ON A MOUNTAIN AND YOU, AN ACTUAL FUCKING SHEEP SHIT EATING MORON THOUGHT YOU COULD GET ABOVE THE MOTHER FUCKING AETHER ON A MOUNTAIN???? I REPEAT. I REPEAT YOU STUPID DUMB FUCKING CUNT BITCH THAT YOU CANNOT EVEN GET ABOVE FUCKING AIR ON A MOUNTAIN TOP.

YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID THAT BY YOUR OWN LOGIC AIR MUST NOT EXIST SINCE IT IS MOTIONLESS ON A MOUNTAIN YOU KEKED BETA PATHETIC FUCKING PANSY ASS!!!!

[Anonymous No.11681583]

>>11681579
take your pills you attention starved moron

[Anonymous No.11681590]

>>11681583
>I have no rebuttle and am a dumb beta so I'm going to say tAkE YuR PiLls.

Kek

[Anonymous No.11681594]

>>11681520

Shut up with your holofaggot faggotry

[Anonymous No.11681609]

>>11681560
>>11681565
>>11681572
kek
nice evidence you got there

[Anonymous No.11681618]

>>11681594
>Stop I'm not smart enough to do what you did and have original thoughts and work! All I can do is screech at people exponentially more unintelligent than me on a forum for retards, it isn't fair!

[Anonymous No.11681621]

>>11681618
>intelligent

kek auto correct faggotry

[Anonymous No.11681625]

>>11680990
MM was later disproved by E. W. Silvertooth, Nature 332, 590. (1986), the assumption being MM didn't have sensitive enough equipment

[Anonymous No.11681634]

>>11681565
>You are literally a sheep faggot who wasnt smart enough to pass the filter. MM, while likely not intentionally so, is maybe the greatest filter ever for determining who can and cannot think logically

ultra based 9000

[Anonymous No.11683116]

>>11680885
>But if light travels as a particle upon a wave of aether
Light does not travel. It reproduces/copies.

[Anonymous No.11683174]

>>11681625
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.418.8179&rep=rep1&type=pdf

[Anonymous No.11683186]

>>11680990
no it doesn't, it states that the ether is always fixed relative to the earth when you look for it on earth, both ifs can be true depending on if you are on earth or outside of it

[Anonymous No.11683365]

>>11680990
Hot damn, I wish they told us that in optics. All they told was that MM disproved aether and that's it. Always knew that there was a fault in logic but only did the reading in 3rd year of uni to figure out the whole story.
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.11683386]

>>11681625
>
is Ligo sensitive enough? idiot

[Anonymous No.11683949]

>>11683386
>I'm the idiot for stating a fact obviously you didn't know
Well hello spergy little tween retard. You have to be 18 post here

[Anonymous No.11684473]

>>11681536
>This is easily explained by the Earth dragging the Aether with it
What medium is the Aether being dragged through? That's the real question.

[Anonymous No.11684498]

>>11684473

There is only one substance of this Universe. "Aether" is an aspect of this substance. We typically call it dark matter these days. But the substance of the "aether" is the same as energy and matter. Only differences are in magnitute. Though it is incorrect to think of aether as having a particle equivalent like water. It doesn't. The Universe's substance is ratio determinant. It's all about relationships, i.e. everything is relative.

Don't bother getting confirmation from a "t. Physicist" or from academia. Hivemind superceded them a few years ago, and what I am telling you is completely accurate despite grumblings they might make to the contrary.

[Anonymous No.11684501]

>>11680990
>but stellar aberration which was known earlier demands that IF the ether exists we are moving relative to it.

The aether is essentially fluidlike. It has no 1 direction.

[Anonymous No.11684530]

>>11684498
>Aether" is an aspect of this substance. We typically call it dark matter these days
Lol, dude I was kinda rooting for you, but you really dropped the ball with this one. Dark matter is concentrated in galaxies. It isn't found in inter-galactic space.

[Anonymous No.11684540]

>>11684530
>It isn't found in inter-galactic space.

Yet.

[Anonymous No.11684554]

>>11680885
Don't know about any "Luminiferous Aether" but the "Aether" is simply electricity, Birkeland currents to be more specific. Space isn't empty, it's filled with electricity (not "dark matter" or "spooky matter" or "dark energy"). And there are no islands in space, everything is electrically connected (which is why quackademia has come up with "quantum entanglement"). That exists and the evidence is mounting every month with new discoveries and with the increasing failures of the old, outdated broken theories.

[Anonymous No.11684557]

>>11683386
>Ligo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev10ywLFq6E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFJjrD5pq_I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Hoax81rkI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2xEmFoc_0U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45BGbnJykPo

[Anonymous No.11684651]

>>11684557
Would rather listen to some postgrad dropout lol

[Anonymous No.11684658]

>>11684554
Formalize your theory or shut up, electric universe quack.

[Anonymous No.11684659]

>>11684557
>>11684651
still, even if ligo didn't detect gravitational waves, it would have detected dragging aether idiot. Think before you speak

[Anonymous No.11684663]

>>11684557
>eu garbage
into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.11684678]

>>11684663
>>11684658
>>11681594
samefag kike shill you can find in every thread name calling and screeching like a retard for minimum wage. hhahaha fucking loser

[Anonymous No.11684684]

>>11684651
>>11684663
>>11684658

[Anonymous No.11684690]

>>11684684
>nope, nothing here either

[Anonymous No.11684731]

>>11683949
Jesus Christ, what are you trying to prove. This is the article you linked
https://www.a.com/articles/322590b0.pdf

[Anonymous No.11684736]

>>11684731
I didn't link anything I cited a paper and explained it's premise/findings you schizo little fuck tard.

[Anonymous No.11684750]

>>11684736
>Anonymous 05/18/20(Mon)10:09
Have you even read the paper? It's a fucking column. Learn to read proper papers

[Anonymous No.11684754]

>>11684750
not even memeing take your meds you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.11684769]

>>11684754
ha ha got me good.
Your article is shit and doesn't prove anything. And even if it did disprove original MM, aether would still be just your cope

[Anonymous No.11684779]

>>11684769
>t. ruprecht
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgUhvcqL-E4

[Anonymous No.11685589]

>>11684769

MM is just your religion now. Thats okay, but at least understand that your adherence to it has nothing to do with science, and that others know that too. It's your version of the fucking cans that scientologists hold. End thread.

[Anonymous No.11685600]

>>11684779
>>11685589
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.11685620]

>>11681536
Based. Fuck these nigger cattle anon. We're going to the stars, and they can't hold us back anymore.

[Anonymous No.11685890]

OP here. A little disappointed that this thread turned into a shitfest, but I'm not sure why I expected any different. I am a little comforted by the fact that I am not alone in questioning the validity of Michelson Morley. Hopefully someone smarter than I will discover a way to conclusively demonstrate or disprove the existence of the aether in the future.

[Anonymous No.11685914]

>>11685890
>Hopefully someone smarter than I will discover a way to conclusively demonstrate or disprove the existence of the aether in the future.

it's already done but apparently most people arent smart enough to understand even though the proof is rather easy to understand, for me at least. I guess it is the great filter as anon said above and either have it what it takes to understand it ir you don't, karma is a bitch I guess, the NPC meme is real

[Anonymous No.11685996]

>>11685914
>it's already done
I'm not sure which proof you're referring to - several were posted in this thread.
I tend to agree with the anon who said that the aether, at our level, moves with the Earth, while interstellar aether moves differently. This strikes me as the most logical theory, and it's unfortunate that it would be dismissed by academia as an ad hoc hypothesis.

[Anonymous No.11686022]

>>11684498
>What medium is the Aether being dragged through? That's the real question.

Nothing. And it fills all space. It doesn't even have a "floor" or base.

This is why light can ripple through it forever. It's lossless. Zero friction except with itself. It does interact with itself, but losslessly.

Aether is just an aspect of the 1 substance that everything is made of. At the most fundamental level all that exists is the relationship between infinite magnitudes.

[Anonymous No.11686052]

>>11686022

No such thing as particles. Not even of the aether. Only relationships. Ratios. Local relationships between magnitudes.

Ratios are infinitely fractionable and so is the universe.

You can literally zoom into the aether forever without reaching the bottom. And its scales essentially repeat bound by c.

Worlds within worlds within worlds... ad infinitum.

Hivemind has superceeded "academia". Do not wait for their confirmation on this. You will not get it. Search for yourself.

[Anonymous No.11686573]

>>11685890
Refer to fp, other than that, keep reading and it'll clock

[Anonymous No.11687443]

>>11680990
>but stellar aberration which was known earlier demands that IF the ether exists we are moving relative to it.
Source?

[Anonymous No.11687587]

>>11680990
>it tells us that IF the ether exists, we (earth) are stationary relative to it
No one at the time of the MM experiment believed that the Earth was stationary. Did any of the physicists involved in the formulation of relativity, like Poincare or Lorentz or Hilbert, ever mention a stationary Earth as a viable alternative? Not to my knowledge, they didn't, because they would have been laughed out of the room.
A stationary Earth would NOT disprove the ether on its own, as you admit. It would need additional invalidation by way of stellar abberation to do so, as you further admit. However, as we see in Airy's Failure, a stationary Earth is also a viable solution to stellar abberation, as is demonstrated in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bynntFteCFs
And so, both experiments yield a stationary earth and therefore neither disprove the ether theory by way of contradiction, as you would have it.
Suggesting that a stationary Earth was still a viable hypothesis in the early 20th Century and that ether theory requires the Earth to be moving, on one hand, and stationary on the other is a gross misrepresentation of logic, of the facts and of human history, as a whole. Stop it.

[Anonymous No.11687809]

>>11687587

Based AF.

There was some kind of highjacking of "Academia" under false pretense around thd time of MM and the internet and hivemind has made that invalid. I love it.

We literally dont even need "Academia" anymore. Tech shit. They know it. It scares them. They shouldnt be scared. Where we are going is better for them - and all. How do we know? We're optimal. We've been following this shit close. Moves ahead. Many. Because we're brilliant and still young. We will lead.

[Anonymous No.11687835]

>>11681016
>How does stellar aberration prove that the aether must be moving relative to the Earth
"Aether dragging" is the usually explanation for why the auether would not be moving relative to the earth. However, if that was the case we would observe significant aberration. But we do not. So the earth must be hurtling through and inertial aether. But Michelson-morley just disproved that so...

[Anonymous No.11687871]

>>11687835
>However, if that was the case we would observe significant aberration.

We literally do. Ergo Dark matter / energy in our computations. Lensing. Lack of unified physics at a government level (even though privates already unified and I know that for a fact - literally my... my whole being here is like fucking charity). The status quo is woofully inadequate.

[Anonymous No.11688696]

>>11684498
>>11686052

>sauce: hivemind trust me bro

[Anonymous No.11688701]

>>11681621

No you got it right the first time

[Anonymous No.11688805]

>60 replies
>19 unique ips

[Anonymous No.11689155]

>>11687871
Jesus the schizo is strong

[Anonymous No.11689695]

>>11680885
>It's "weird"
>Therefore false
silly man

[Anonymous No.11690066]

>>11680885

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_result

The results of the Michelson Morley experiment and numerous ones after it had this in common. Eventually they gave up because there were now multiple theories of the aether (such as stationary and partial drag) and even Einstein concluded that if the Aether existed it could not be detectable. This lead to special relativity which doesn't include a medium at all. This anon >>11680990 basically has it right, except for the "ether does not exist" part. That is still up for debate.

>>11688696
>As opposed to the other one that you have to pay for to receive their paper penis.

>>11688805
Because no one really gives a shit about the first cause or source to things, believe it or not. It's boring, and tedious to have to sit and listen to all the knuckleheads describing bits and pieces of it.

>>11685890
People question it, but they don't even understand how many more experiments followed after or why the aether was forgotten. They're just fighting the other side of the argument of people who actually think the Michelson Morley experiment "disprove the ether". What really happened is they skimmed over it because it drove them batshit.

[Anonymous No.11691415]

>>11690066
>Because no one really gives a shit about the first cause or source to things, believe it or not. It's boring, and tedious to have to sit and listen to all the knuckleheads describing bits and pieces of it.

My father has said as much to me. I was surprised to hear it from him, as he is a physicist. And because I share half of his genes, and yet I am supremely interested in this question. I'm always surprised to find that others are not.