/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11667539]

Are there any proven treatments besides transitioning for transgender individuals / those suffering from gender dysphoria? Say, an "anti-dysphoric" drug, quite like an "anti-psychotic"?

[Anonymous No.11667588]

>>11667539
Its called pulling your head out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.11667618]

Yes. They're called anti-psychotics. But it's politically incorrect to state that they work for gender dysphoria because it implies transgenderism is an illness.

[Anonymous No.11667654]

>>11667588
>>11667618
Can I get a real answer please?
I'm genuinely curious

[Anonymous No.11667738]

>>11667539
Suicide

[Anonymous No.11667824]

>>11667539
just transition, you will please your body AND your anime girl heart!

[Anonymous No.11667826]

>>11667539
ketamine

[Anonymous No.11667830]

>>11667654
anti-psychotics do work but it's not the best solution

[Anonymous No.11667870]

>>11667824
Dont listen to him, you'll look like a freak.
>>11667539
Describe how you feel.

[Anonymous No.11667891]

>>11667539
assisted dying works pretty well too

[Anonymous No.11667926]

>>11667539
I'm definitely not any kind of expert on this, but I have a friend who has complicated trans-y feelings. So, this is my outsider view. I guess it's more of life advice in general.

Any time you have bad feelings about a thing, there are a handful of things you can do about that. You can change the thing that's bothering you (transition), medicate the feeling away (drugs), or recontextualize so that the thing doesn't bother you any more (introspection and possibly therapy).

IMO, doing just one of those things is usually an uphill battle. Like, if you just change your circumstances, you haven't addressed *why* the thing was bothering you, so you might have those feelings crop up again about something else. If you just medicate, you essentially have the same problem. If you stop taking the medication, you're back to where you started. If you try to just recontextualize, you might find your problem is "real" and can't be recontextualized. Sometimes reality just sucks and needs to be changed. It can also be difficult to find the emotional energy to change your perspective when life is shitting on you.

My best advice would be to (1) start seeing a therapist if you aren't already. (2) Ask them about what medications might help you (or ask them to point you to someone qualified in that area). (3) Explore transitional compromises. What reversible things can you do to make yourself look the way you want? Do they make you fell better? This is basically what my friend has done, and they definitely seem to be more comfortable in their own skin as time goes on.

[Anonymous No.11667931]

>>11667654
I let my inner /pol/tard out a bit but the bit about schizo pills working was true. It's not the first time a drug designed for something works for something else too

[Anonymous No.11667955]

>>11667870
>you'll look like a freak
It's not only about the look and you know it, transphobic-kun

[Anonymous No.11667977]

>>11667955
Yeah, it's about killing yourself a year later, too!

[Anonymous No.11667995]

>>11667870
>Describe how you feel.
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.11668023]

>>11667995
Well, you mentioned gender dysphoria. How do you feel about your body? How do you feel about the way you dress and speak? Are your feelings about the way people see you or about the way you see your self (or both)?

t. not
>>11667870

[Anonymous No.11668035]

Why is everyone responding to me as if I'm trans and asking for recommendations on treatment. I just want to know if transitioning is the only way we know how to effectively deal with gender dysphoria. If so, why don't alternatives work. If not, what alternatives work and why. Holy shit.

[Anonymous No.11668051]

>>11668035
>>>/lgbt/

[Anonymous No.11668058]

>>11668051
Discussion of the treatment of a mental disorder is science, though

[Anonymous No.11668065]

>>11668035
we don't have answers. research in this kind of area is heavily censored and the people at the top just push their own agenda. research on anything but ways to help people transition is not allowed and any researcher who attempts to do so will be ruined by those at the top for being "bigoted".

[Anonymous No.11668074]

>>11668058

[Anonymous No.11668086]

>>11667955
isn't being trans entirely about how you look, or more accurately and more broadly, how well you fit the part? the whole point is that trannies don't feel like the fit the part of a male and think they would fit better as a female, and then trasitioning is about trying to fill that female role. more than half the time, they are unsuccessful in fitting the female role as well as they hoped, and it leads to almost half of them killing themselves due to feeling like failures unable to fit any role.

[Anonymous No.11668096]

>>11668086
>isn't being trans entirely about how you look
no it's about being an annoying as fuck attention whoring child holy fuck if you want to roleplay go right the fuck ahead but why the fuck do i have to give a shit? not directing that statement at you specifically anon, just at annoying tranny faggots in general

[Anonymous No.11668120]

>>11668096
not an expert but my uniformed and quick speculation is that the attention whoring and modern "trans is its own gender we are all special snowflakes use my pronouns" is a result of transitioning being shit and unsuccessful. After you failed to be a female, your options are consider your life a failure, kill yourself, or invent a new gender role just for you that you happen to fill perfectly. someone transitioning is also probably prone to becoming an attention whoring narcissist because transitioning is in fact something few people do so they are special, just not in a way that the rest of the world has any reason to care about, but if no one cares then no one will acknowledge their new gender role so they will go around being annoying faggots trying to make sure you know their new gender so they feel socially accepted and not like a failure.

[Anonymous No.11668125]

>>11668120
I think its more because being a fag doesn't shock your parents enough for you.

[Anonymous No.11668161]

>>11668058
>Discussion of the treatment of a mental disorder is science
Not when the mental disorder is the holy cow of a protected class and ideological movement. There is no objectivity or reason in the 'science' surrounding transgenderism.

[Anonymous No.11668273]

>>11668096
>>11668125
very scientific.

[Anonymous No.11668281]

No anon that would require admitting that they're suffering from conventional, clinical Delusion. Better to keep this political dog and pony show going.

[Anonymous No.11668289]

>>11667955
It's not transphobic to state a fact that most people who transition literally look like freaks that you'd see in a circus. Looking at them makes everyone uncomfortable, and whether or not they will explicitly show it, everyone feels disgust looking at them.

[Anonymous No.11668319]

>>11667824
Don't mutilate your pepe, it's not worth it.

[Anonymous No.11668331]

>>11667824
>just transition, goy
>no, you won't still look like pic related, just chop your penis goy!

[Anonymous No.11668332]

>>11668273

[Anonymous No.11668385]

>>11668086
In part yes, but it includes many other things (attitude, openess about your gender, etc).

>>11668331
Being trans does not necessarily include having to cut your pp off, you can be a woman and also have a huge cock!

>>11668289
I didn't call you transphobic because of your comment itself, but because it was obviously commented with crude spite.
And this response only confirms it. It says much more about you than about trans people, by the way.

[Anonymous No.11668444]

>>11668385
>attitude
not sure what you mean
>openess about your gender
aka how well you fit the part of female and can go around being a female or being an attention whoring faggot who constanlty goes LOOK GUISE IM A TRANNY IM SO BRAVE

[Anonymous No.11668456]

>>11668385
You are not cute, anime is not quirky, and you are just an annoying faggot. You rely on mentally unstable teenagers posting thigh pics to satisfy your sexual urges, which means that not only are you a cringy obese ugly freak annoying loud faggot but also a sociopath. Please change your ways or kill yourself, or at least, be quiet.

[Anonymous No.11668463]

>>11667539
therapy and transitioning seems to best. several studies have all shown this controlling for all the shit. there isn't any other therapy that seems to work.
>inb4 meme pol study
okay here is a study https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/
55 study meta analysis showing transitioning is good for trans people

[Anonymous No.11668475]

>>11668444

[Anonymous No.11668479]

>>11668463
Maybe because as the other anon said, scientists who try to do a unbiased research get discouraged and put down by their higher-ups.

[Anonymous No.11668494]

>>11668479
why are you so anti science yet post here.
anyways, its really easy to see if a treatment is successful or not. one of the easiest things to tell. you just have to control for things like severity and other shit. this is pure statistics you cant lie with this data.

[Anonymous No.11668515]

>>11668494
>this is pure statistics you cant lie with this data.
its trivial to make incorrect conclusions from objective data and people accidentally do it all the time.

[Anonymous No.11668517]

>>11668494
Science is very ideological too, you can see experts arguing and fighting for an answer, like with lamarckism vs darwinism, they attacked each other with articles.

[Anonymous No.11668524]

>>11668515
yes but not 51 times in 51 different studies. im not sure i believe in a transgender conspiracy enough to believe 51 studies are all false. definitely when some of them come from a time when transgender people didnt really have social acceptance at all with anyone.

[Anonymous No.11668530]

>>11668444
With that I meant expressing my gender as it is. Express myself as a woman, act like a woman. Integrate being a woman in my lifestyle. It is not hard to understand man, you are supposed to be smart you're in /sci/!

>>11668456
You guys explode as soon as someone expresses they are trans, or as soon they disagree with someone joking about killing trans people! And it also seems entitled of you to talk as if you represent everyone else to say trans people are annoying, when I've seen it only annoys the dullest of transphobic individuals (most people are just ok with it).
I'm not a god of deduction but, you guys seem to do threads against trans people here in /sci/ very often, though the replies very rarely have anything to do with science and seem more like some circlejerk of transphobia. And when you go with "science" (like last thread I checked), you either get entirely btfo or start namecalling until the other person just decides to ignore you.
Being overtly condescending and malicious does not work in an imageboard anon, we can see through you like a thin panel of glass.
That's why I'm here to change you with kindness though! (ㅅꈍ ˘ ꈍ)

[Anonymous No.11668533]

>>11667539
transgender-ism is narcissism mutated into a form of dissociation with ones body. Anything that brings about ego-death helps, focusing on your actions rather than your self. Doing rather than thinking.

[Anonymous No.11668549]

>>11668530
>With that I meant expressing my gender as it is. Express myself as a woman, act like a woman. Integrate being a woman in my lifestyle. It is not hard to understand man, you are supposed to be smart you're in /sci/!
dumb avatarfagging anitranny. you clearly cannot read. If you didn't cloud your brain with hormone treatment and preoccupy yourself so much with pretending to be cute maybe you could read better. everything you just described fits under "fitting the part". Everything about being a tranny is about fitting the part and how you look, with how you look being measured in more ways than just your face and physique but also behavior in all areas of life.

[Anonymous No.11668557]

>>11668479
its probably your own hardcore personal bias to dismiss 51 studies all showing something intuitively that makes sense. that is people who have a mental illness that makes them want to be seen as the opposite gender be given the ability to be seen as the opposite gender by transitioning makes them feel better about themselves.

[Anonymous No.11668564]

>>11668557
and pedos would live a lot more at ease if they could just fuck children without any repurcussions, and the suicidal would feel a lot better about themselves if they were just allowed to kill themselves.

[Anonymous No.11668594]

>>11668273
>scientific
I'm scientifically sick and fucking tired of you dipshits on every board trying to forum slide them into a non stop trannyshit.
Stop trying to make this everyone elses problem. Chop off your dick, or don't, but literally everyone else on this planet has actual problems to deal with and has neither the time nor patience to put up with your constant insufferable nattering on about this M A R G I N A L issue because its easier than exercising any personal agency and improving yourself.
Here's a little secret, everyone wishes they could change something about themselves. Some people want to be taller, some people want more hair on their head, some people want a high tight ass and legs for days, but life is about working with what you have and learning to accept yourself for what you are. It's a fucking road everyone walks alone, and your constant pissing and moaning about it just makes everyone wish you would get hit by a speeding freight truck.
If you insist on fixating your entire life around this, I would point out that there is an entire board on this very website dedicated to talking about lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and transexual issues >>>/lgbt/

[Anonymous No.11668597]

>>11668564
probably pedos would feel better if they could have children to rape. this is probably true. but we don't want kids to be raped. people who want to commit suicide usually don't do it in a logical manner. a better example you should of brought up was people cutting themselves. this isn't logical behavior usually this is usually done in the moment with a great surge of irrational emotions. this is also not longer term either. depression only lasts at most a year. transgender people are very much different. usually once they are in their adult years they have felt they wanted to be the opposite gender for years can be 10 years or more and dont just not feel so all of the sudden. this is logical rational behavior not built upon a surge of irrational emotions. they want to be seen as a gender just as we non transgender people want to be seen as a gender. it just so they want to be seen as the opposite gender that lines up with their sex.

[Anonymous No.11668611]

>>11668597
>depression only lasts at most a year.
dumb tranny faggot can't even get his facts right

[Anonymous No.11668625]

>>11668594
Why are you calling me a tranny? Did you not read the thread you absolute mong? I'm just genuinely curious about how we treat those suffering from gender dysphoria but your autistic ass comes in her posting the tiresome meme as if you've proved something. Stop looking for shit to be outraged over.

And why won't anyone answer my fucking question?

[Anonymous No.11668630]

>>11668625
>And why won't anyone answer my fucking question?
killing all trannies, whether by murder or by pushing them to suicide, has a 100% success rate of curing gender disphoria in any population. have fun.

[Anonymous No.11668649]

>>11668625
>I'm just genuinely curious about how we treat those suffering from gender dysphoria
No you aren't.
If you were you'd do some research yourself instead of trying to forum slide with yet another off topic /pol/b8 tranny thread. You're not fooling anyone.

[Anonymous No.11668654]

>>11668611
yeah depression usually lasts between a month and a year.

[Anonymous No.11668663]

>>11668649
Google won't tell me anything besides transitioning. I even went to the second page so you know my search was thorough. It was all just resources on transitioning and talking about the effectiveness of the procedure. I thought i found a good one when I came across this:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5580378/, but the study only covered hormone treatments and transition, unfortunately. It's really dissapointing.

[Anonymous No.11668667]

I read a paper by some psychiatrist who literally wrote he was cured of gender dysphoria with a haloperidol (schizo antipsychotic) course 20 years ago but forgot how to find it

[Anonymous No.11668674]

>>11668611
ill take a succession that your argument is trash and that it does intuitively make sense that transitioning make sense plus you have a hardcore personal bias to dismiss 51 studies all show transitioning helps. stop going on pol you fucking retard its pure brain rot

[Anonymous No.11668679]

>>11668674
>dont read facts its brain rot

[Anonymous No.11668693]

>>11668674
>if you think transitioning is bad you must be an uneducated /pol/ retard reeeeeeee poltards
sure transitioning "helps" but we don't have enough data on other methods to say transitioning is the one true way and none of this will ever change the fact that gender dysphoria is a mental illness and you guys would all be better off dead anyways.

[Anonymous No.11668697]

>>11668679
>heheh dont read facts its pure brainrot
>when he is replying to a an anon that is denying 51 studies all showing something is true
https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/
PURE BRAINROT
you lost your ability to think rationally

[Anonymous No.11668705]

>>11668693
sure we dont have enough data

[Anonymous No.11668714]

>>11667539
bullet

[Anonymous No.11668722]

>>11668693
>data shows chemo being effective way to treat cancer
>heh doesnt mean its the one true way so we shouldnt do it.
PURE BRAINROT
pol has ruined your mind

[Anonymous No.11668733]

>>11667539
Schizo pills, and if you don't want to, lobotomy works really well

[Anonymous No.11668737]

>>11668161
Yeah, you bring up John Money and everything gets quiet very quickly

[Anonymous No.11668749]

>>11668697
clearly you can't read because you didn't even address the point my post made. trannies should all just be left to kill themselves anyways.

[Anonymous No.11668751]

>>11668722
>what is immunotherapy
OH NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.11668753]

>>11668749
i mean if you think we should just kill anyone with a mental illness you are beyond any help. pol has rotted your mind so much no one can help you.

[Anonymous No.11668754]

>>11668749
nvm, misread who you were replying to

[Anonymous No.11668767]

>>11668753
if eugenics is ever perfected, gender dysphoria will 100% be one of the things people select against. ideally, we have a world with no mental illnesses instead of wasting our time "treating" those with mental illnesses because of our sense of humanity.

[Anonymous No.11668779]

>>11668751
you completely missed the point. ill try to explain the point in more detail so your rotted away mind can understand. just because there is a potential for better treatments doesn't mean the current treatment that has shown the most data to be successful is bad and we shouldnt use it. so far it seems transitioning is the best treatment with people with gender dysphoria. im all ears for an alternative method that is better.

[Anonymous No.11668786]

>>11668779
>so far it seems transitioning is the best treatment
>im all ears for an alternative method
yeah but it's not socially acceptable in the field of research to do that because of the stupidity that is idpol

[Anonymous No.11668823]

>transitioning is good because it makes intuitive sense that trannies should transition
it also makes intuitive sense that race is not equal between IQs when you look at the data that shows blacks consitently score lower on various tests even when controlling for income.

[Anonymous No.11668837]

>>11667539
Turn the TV off

[Anonymous No.11668861]

>>11668779
The treatment that ends in 40% taking their own lives is the best bet.
Really.
Where were all these suicides before transitioning was an affordable option? Any other reasons to account for the skyrocketing overall rates shortly after hrt became a widespread prescription?

Seems we were doing better leaving it untreated. The "best" current cure is worse than the disease.

[Anonymous No.11668895]

What happened to this board?

[Anonymous No.11668902]

>>11668895
reddit trying to bait /pol/ without knowing what /pol/ is and thinking it's all 4chan

[Anonymous No.11668903]

>>11668861
this is just anti science.
https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/
transitioning shows a positive effect including lower suicide rate. you are quoting one study that didn't control for all the factors as severity of their gender dysphoria. it was a shit study

[Anonymous No.11668915]

>>11668564
Different anon. I don't see 51 studies supporting that. You will, however, find studies on the psychological effects of rape during childhood, and no study evidencing that dead people feel at all.

Just how did you write this and not consider that those analogies suck?

[Anonymous No.11668921]

>>11668385
>you can be a woman and also have a huge cock!
Literally anyone with basic knowledge of human physiology would disagree and for good reason. It appears I have surpassed being a Chad of /a/, I may be a CHAD of /sci/ too. Moetrannies (jews) on suicide watch

[Anonymous No.11668924]

>>11668597
>but we don't want kids to be raped
Most victims of pedophiles are little boys. Most pedos are men.
Gay men are more likely to be pedos than straight men.

[Anonymous No.11668926]

>>11667539
The chances of you finding a good, serious answer to this question on 4chan are very low. Look somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.11668930]

>>11668903
>implying certain people don't control what's seen as "legitimate"

[Anonymous No.11668931]

>>11667824
Thank you, I'll follow your advice! :D

[Anonymous No.11668934]

>>11668924
not an argument for anything gender dysphoria related

[Anonymous No.11668935]

>>11667539
Well look this study: "The successful treatment of a gender dysphoric patient with pimozide."

Pimozide is an anti-psychotic

[Anonymous No.11668938]

>>11668924
>Most pedos are men.
Meaning men are more likely to be pedos than women. And yet, most men, gay or not, don't want kids to be raped. What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.11668944]

>>11668930
so you just cherry pick studies that allign with your personal bias discard all the other studies that dont by appealing to a conspiracy when you have no evidence of said conspiracy. brain rot

[Anonymous No.11668951]

>>11668663
Ever heard of conversion therapy? Your searching skills are very disappointing indeed.
https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2019.305237
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/2749479?guestAccessKey=15e32397-658b-4cd5-8008-d54adbfe32d3
http://www.drdoughaldeman.com/doc/GayRightsPatientRights.pdf

[Anonymous No.11668961]

>>11667539
https://read.qxmd.com/read/8839957/the-successful-treatment-of-a-gender-dysphoric-patient-with-pimozide
Sample size of 1 but it has shown to be effective. Follow up study will never happen tho, not in 2020. Some people were talking about this on reddit and people were saying that the side effects of Pimozide are brutal, they dont seem that bad once compared to the side effects of taking hormones then gutting your dick and turning it inside out then have it grow hair balls that you have to fish out, have to painfully dilate for hours, and often get infected. Gender dysphoria has been linked to schizophrenia by many studies.

[Anonymous No.11668964]

>>11667539
Therapy to make them comfortable in their own body. Think of it like an eating disorder like anorexia. Just like anorexia, gender disphoria can be cured through therapy. The type of therapy? Well, that depends. Personally, I would opt for medically induced orgasms by giving them shit tons of aphrodisiac, but there's always the deus volt way if that doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.11668972]

>>11668951
Different anon, those are results but the first two references PACGI / CT as being contraindicated.
>Conclusions. Despite major medical organizations identifying PACGI as ineffective and unethical, 13.5% of transgender people in the United States reported lifetime exposure to this practice. Findings suggest that this practice has continued in every US state as recently as the period 2010 to 2015.
>Because rejection based on gender identity is a known risk factor for poor mental health,some experts have raised concern that PACGI may lead to adverse mental health outcomes.4 Lifetime exposure to PACGI is associated with a greater risk of serious psychological distress and suicide attempts.
>https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/2749479?guestAccessKey=15e32397-658b-4cd5-8008-d54adbfe32d3
>The findings suggest that lifetime and childhood exposure to gender identity conversion efforts are associated with adverse mental health outcomes.
>http://www.drdoughaldeman.com/doc/GayRightsPatientRights.pdf
This discusses the societal and ethical context of conversion therapy rather than the medical ones.

[Anonymous No.11668981]

>>11668961
You don't seriously expect us to take that single case 24-year old study of a literal retard over 51 structured studies, do you?
>>11668972
Have you even read your own greentext or are you drooling on your keyboard?

[Anonymous No.11668982]

>>11667539
I don't care about alternative treatment myself, I just want to be a cute girl n.n. Whenever I watch anime I just imagine being one of the girls and it just makes me feel so happy and I always have girl characters in the games I play. c:
I also think that being a girl is not just about looks but also about being compassionate, liking soft things, having intense feelings, about having curiosity and fascination, and being spontaneously creative, though maybe one could say that all these things are part of women through nurturance and not nature, and I know way too many counterexamples to those rules. I also think that maybe being girl has to do with simply being perceived as one and knowing that other people perceive you as such and what you do with the expectations people have about you (and hence also being accepted as one of the girls).

[Anonymous No.11668993]

>>11668981
You troomers ARE literal retards.

[Anonymous No.11669012]

>>11668961
>Sample size of 1 but it has shown to be effective.
There could be something to it, but it's far from certain.
>Follow up study will never happen tho, not in 2020.
Yeah, that sucks.
>people were saying that the side effects of Pimozide are brutal
People died from it.

>>11668981
Must be the Pimozide induced seizures. In all seriousness, I fucked that up. The point was, the first two point to CT being considered to be detrimental to the extent they were commented on, the third one was of little relevance.

>>11668993
>man disproves that gender is something you can force on people by trying to force it on a child
Holy shit that was fucking awful. In other news, water is wet.

[Anonymous No.11669061]

>>11668993
it's almost as if he was experiencing gender dysphoria or something

[Anonymous No.11669084]

>>11668993
if anything this is pro transgender people. honestly the best argument against people saying gender is just a social construct is the fact that transgender people exist.

[Anonymous No.11669145]

>>11668993
i have to side with the trannies on this one. what we learned from david reimer is that gender identity is genetic, not that its impossible to be born with a male body but genetically mentally female. david reimer isn't proof for either side of transgenderism.

[Anonymous No.11669196]

>>11669145
>what we learned from david reimer is that gender identity is genetic
No, what we learned was that gender identity can't be changed after it is formed.
I'm not saying that there isn't a genetic component (the general consensus is that both genetics and socialization play a role in it's formation), but you can't get that from this case.

[Anonymous No.11669231]

>>11669061
Ah yes, because a jew forcing your twin brother to rape your dickhole means you have gender dysphoria. David didn't even want to be a woman anymore when he found that he was a puppet for an. (((experiment))).

[Anonymous No.11669233]

>>11669196
you realize they started training him as a female when he was an infant right? his gender identity formed in the womb.

[Anonymous No.11669241]

>>11669233
Yeah, they did it because his penis mutilation was botched.

[Anonymous No.11669254]

>>11669241
not sure what your point is. that doesn't contradict me. gender identity is formed in the womb. you can't change it. reimer was born male body male identity but they tried to force him into a female body female identity, but he was still obviously male in everything but his looks.

also you say "mutiliation" and I know its because you're being an antisemetic poltard but I'd like to point out that in reimer's case it was because he and his brother had phimosis, which requires circumcision. they didn't circumcise him out of ritual.

[Anonymous No.11669302]

>>11669233
>his gender identity formed in the womb
You realize that reassignment occurred at just under 1.5 years old, right? That's not enough evidence to say that gender identity forms in the womb.

[Anonymous No.11669313]

>>11669254
I'm on your side nigga

[Anonymous No.11669315]

>>11669254
>you're being an antisemetic poltard
Nvm retard
Also, Brian Reimer's phimosis cleared up on its own.

[Anonymous No.11669321]

>>11669302 (You)
I also question the methods used to socialize him as a girl, especially considering the fact that Money seemed to believe that gender and sexuality are the same thing.

[Anonymous No.11669426]

>>11669302
what does it matter? you shouldn't be forcing sex changes on any baby before 1.5 years because they can't even make that decision themselves.
>>11669321
irrelevant. david was neither a girl in sexuality nor gender identity. he acted like a male and preferred typically masculine things while he was a "female".

[Anonymous No.11669430]

It is known that for kids and teens with gender dysphoria is better to manage the syntoms and try to make the kid comfortale with their biological body as there is a high probability that the dysphoria will disapear after puberty. But for gender dysphoria in adults it seems to be the best way even if it still doesn't prevent many things.

[Anonymous No.11669440]

>>11669426
>you shouldn't be forcing sex changes on any baby before 1.5 years because they can't even make that decision themselves.
Agreed, but that wasn't the argument I was making.
>david was neither a girl in sexuality nor gender identity. he acted like a male and preferred typically masculine things while he was a "female".
>david was neither a girl in sexuality nor gender identity. he acted like a male and preferred typically masculine things while he was a "female".
Once again, that wasn't the argument that I was making.

[Anonymous No.11670455]

>>11667539
First line of treatment in France is the birth sex hormones. Feel like a woman? Take some testosterone!

Also there is another medication that works but it has bad side effects, an antipsychotic, cant remember the name.

Also presumably if society stopped saying you are gay if you like white wine and comfy sweaters, and a woman if you enjoy crossdressing, then that might stop people from thinking there is something wrong about their little or big quirks, but thats just an opinion.

[Anonymous No.11670665]

>>11667539
Lead bullets, heavy rocks, faith in god and a desire to repent, sharp objects moving at sufficient velocity. Transition is not a cure for being a tranny it's just enabling the mental illness.

[Anonymous No.11670709]

lol im transitioning and you can't stop me!