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11638294 No.11638294 [Reply] [Original]

Should we use Crispr to cure autism/Aspergers or no?

>> No.11638298

>>11638294
Why fascists though?

>> No.11638306
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11638306

>>11638298
Some people think Crispr is a form of eugenics. That thread is a goldmine for bad takes.

>> No.11638374

A world with 100% autistics will be a utopia. Why don't we just give everyone autism instead?

>> No.11638407

>>11638294
Funny because Fascism only appeals to Autists.

>> No.11638408

>>11638294
No. Autism is superior. Autists miss no cognitive ability, they have an extra one instead. Asians and borderlines are wired exactly the same way, all the observed deficits are purely environmental.

>> No.11638415

>>11638408
I have genuinely been diagnosed with mild tism and I can tell you it's made my life far harder. I have a very difficult time talking to people about myself and I just come off as a bumbling idiot. It's probably cost me a few job interviews already. If I could be cured, or at least there were some treatment that made me less socially retarded, I'd gladly take it, and I wouldn't want to subject my kids to this either.

>> No.11638417

>>11638294
4chan would be even more of a ghost town if schizos and autistics were eliminated.

>> No.11638422

>>11638306
>Some people think Crispr is a form of eugenics.
It's a tool that could be used for eugenic purposes. The distinction is usually above people that complain on twitter.

>> No.11638426

>>11638306
That comment is stupid. We can do both.

>> No.11638439

>>11638294
No. High functioning autism represents the next stage of human evolution. Empathic traits (in the sense of the opposite of autistic traits) are maladaptive and the sooner we can get rid of them the better.

>> No.11638603

>>11638415
The problem is in others though. Learn to treat them as retards who know everything from memory, including when you are supposed to say what. There is zero logic to it. Like the literal cargo cult, the just copy what others are doing and don't care if it makes sense.

>> No.11638606

>>11638439
Autistic people are more empathic than others. You are a psychopath if you have none.

>> No.11638626 [DELETED] 

>>11638415
>>11638603
Also their values are some sort of reversed - they laugh at people who try to make the lives of others better (this is one of the things they think makes us retarded). You get social standing by helping them to hurt other people (be nice and try to manipulate them against each other and avoid harming us). The strong serve the weak. The confident are quiet, the insecure are loud. Eye contact is reversed, you want to say something, they think they should keep talking.

>> No.11638627 [DELETED] 

>>11638415#
>>11638603 (You)#
Also their values are some sort of reversed - they laugh at people who try to make the lives of others better (this is one of the things they think makes us retarded). You get social standing by helping them to hurt other people (be nice and try to manipulate them against each other and avoid harming us). The strong get served by the weak. The confident are quiet, the insecure are loud. Eye contact is reversed, you want to say something, they think they should keep talking.

>> No.11638631

>>11638415#
>>11638603 (You)#
Also their values are some sort of reversed - they laugh at people who try to make the lives of others better (this is one of the things they think makes us retarded). You get social standing by helping them to hurt other people (be nice and try to manipulate them against each other and avoid harming us). The strong deserve the most help, you take away from the weak. The confident are quiet, the insecure are loud. Eye contact is reversed, you want to say something, they think they should keep talking.

>> No.11638655

>>11638294
people are born as a minority race in a culture and experience hardship because of it. that doesn't mean we should gene-edit the traits of that race, and consequently the experience of being part of that race, out of existence, even if there are significant disadvantages to being a part of it. people very much identify with that experience and you'd be rightly hard pressed convincing people that being a minority is a disability despite whatever disadvantages may exist

similar thing with autism. there are people who think their autism really defines their life and makes it what it is in a good way, just like there are people who think a bunch of other disadvantages have defined them. similarly there are a bunch of people who resent their autism.

what i meant to show is that inherent disability isn't clear cut at all. what's the principle we use to distinguish between the experiences of something like cystic fibrosis versus autism versus as something defining as race, with all of their respective drawbacks?

>> No.11638667

>>11638655
Autism tends to be more of a disadvantage in the mundane life.

>> No.11638669

>>11638655
If this hits the markets no doubt autism and other challenges will reduce, since it would be appealing to do so. I think it should be in the hands of the parents and the doctor.

>> No.11638670

>>11638294
I’m dyslexic (diagnosed). If I had to choose between not being dyslexic and being dyslexic I’d probably choose dyslexia. I can’t write for shit I can’t read for shit. But why would I want to change how I think. I’d be a different person. Same thing for autistic people probably.

>> No.11638678

>>11638415
>>11638631
The weak protect the strong, I mean. Which is why you see things like poor people voting for parties who protect the millionaires.
It really is s bizarro world. A rich man exploits the poor by providing them with substandard, overpriced housing. The local charity discussing how to take the housing away from them (hurts both the poor and the rich man) and how to prevent the poor from helping each other too much. (With the pretense it will make the strong among them rise and get wealthy) 100% real events, not something I made up. I made a laughing stock of myself when I pointed out it would make more sense to provide the poor with something better instead of taking away the little they have.

Basically mormies are just pure, almost cartoonishly vile evil and learn to treat them as such.

>> No.11638705

>>11638670
Yeah but we're talking about embryos, not already born people having their brains changed.

>> No.11638707

>>11638705
What’s the difference it’s a person you are changing

>> No.11638723

>>11638655
If having autism is just as good as not having autism then why shouldn't a parent be allowed to choose which one they want for their child instead of leaving it up to chance?

>> No.11638725

>>11638422
Yea whenever we get a new breakthrough like that you get a bunch of people serving about how it's inherently bad without realising that it's just a tool and not a sentient being. Same people to blame an axe rather than the axeman for a murder

>> No.11638769

>>11638707
No it's not.

>> No.11638770

>>11638769
Yes it is. When is a person a person

>> No.11638810

>>11638294
>Crispr
Fuck off with your popsci.

>> No.11638880

>>11638294
leaving them on a hillside cures burgers

>> No.11638893

>>11638678
>>11638631
>>11638603
I don't want to feel superior to anybody I just want to live a normal and happy life.

>> No.11638894

>>11638408
>>11638415
>Of the 75 children with ASD, 55% had an intellectual disability (IQ<70) but only 16% had moderate to severe intellectual disability (IQ<50); 28% had average intelligence (115>IQ>85) but only 3% were of above average intelligence (IQ>115)
dwarfism is cool because that one guy from the sword fighting tv show

>> No.11638903

>>11638294
We should use it to cause autism

>> No.11638908

>>11638894
Yeah the idea of autists being smart isn't true. I would say that I'm of average intelligence at best.

>> No.11638910

>>11638422
CRIPSr on humans would inherently be eugenics unless for some reason you're trying to deliberately worsen someone's genome.

>> No.11638925

>>11638908
autism is a developmental disorder so the treatment doesnt do shit for adaults, "deleting" dwarfism genes doesnt make an adault dwarf 6'

>> No.11638935

>>11638903
unironically this

>> No.11638967

>>11638893
You need to accept the truth.
>>11638894
>>11638908
Most of such research is fraudulent, test children on tranquilizers.

>> No.11638970

>>11638967
i'm trans btw don't know if it matters

>> No.11638971

>>11638970
This meme should have been aborted before it was born.

>> No.11639016

>>11638670
Isn't dyslexia a problem with your eyes, not your brain?

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>>11638670

>> No.11639045

>>11638294
Oh because they really really really know what they are doing deleting these so called 'bad' DNA.

So they know its use infinitely beyond all dimensions.

>> No.11639147

>>11638294
>autism, schizofrenia
>in rats
rats probably set the experiment and analyzed the data too

>> No.11639154

>>11638439
plebbit take of the day

>> No.11639228

I like my autism..

>> No.11639419

>>11638294
I'm diagnosed with fucking everything. Asperger's, ADHD, Generalized anxiety, social anxiety, PTSD, OCD, ODD and also considered "emotionally disturbed". I wish CRISPR could make me normal.

>> No.11639454

>>11638707
They don't yet know what kind of person they are and won't feel bad about being changed.

>> No.11639589

>>11639016
It is not a problem. Ot means your brain processes speech morpheme by morpheme (instead of phoneme by phoneme) which means you just have to memorize all spelling, no matter how regular.

>> No.11639595

>>11639147
Designed by clowns who in turn are supervised by monkeys

>> No.11639603

>>11638294
No, because half this board would disappear

>> No.11639610

>>11638374
Maybe a world with 100% downies, but 100% autism would be hell on Earth.

>> No.11639613

>>11638415
Autists need to take another route to social ability, autists need to walk a bit along the path of ascension and social fear is no more,

>> No.11639690

>>11638294
They can tell if a mouse has schizophrenia?

>> No.11639705

>>11638894
Reminder, 3% of autists are what drives forward progress. Newton/Dirac/Einstein/Mozart/Tesla/Kubrick/Darwin/etc are all on the autistic spectrum. Destroying the autistic gene will literally reduce the rate of advancements in science.

>> No.11639722

>>11638306
i mean, some furries really deep into the fetish probably have actual body dismorphia.

>> No.11639726

>>11638407
They gassed autists but ok

>> No.11639727

>>11639722
nvm, i just realized they are advocating for being able to make real life furries

that would be the dream

>> No.11639729

>>11638439
There are no stages in evolution. Anyone claiming otherwise is not intellectually honest.

>> No.11639737

>>11638894
There is nothing inherently valuable about hfight, there is nothing preventing dwarves to split into a new species.

>> No.11639741

>>11639737
don't dwarves typically develop more health problems?

>> No.11639745

>>11638407
Autists have no use for fascism, they can understand wholesome collectivism.

>> No.11639753

>>11639741
I suppose they would evolve adaptations around such defects. But yeah, it could be a bit rough for some time until they stabilize as a new species.

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>>11639705
>Destroying the autistic gene will literally reduce the rate of advancements in science
yes

>> No.11639777

>>11639610
It would be orderly, people would act logically, nobody would be unnecessarily cruel to eachother, scientific progress would skyrocket. You have no idea what you're talking about.

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>>11639753
>people that only exist because natural selection doesnt exist anymore would improve if subjugated to natural selection
more news at eight

>> No.11639782

>>11638294

yes

>> No.11639788

>>11638910
It's as much eugenics as giving a cure to a disease in this instance. They aren't trying to make them tall, blue-eyed, blonde haired, muscular Chads. They're removing a form of mental illness that drastically reduces quality of life and makes them dependant on others for their statistically shorter lives.

In my opinion, to have the ability to improve ones quality of life and to not do so would be a disservice to the individual.

>> No.11639796

>>11639610
>>11639613
>>11639745
>>11639771
>>11639777
The systemizjng ability that allows autists understand machines and techology also allows to understand oneself as a part of the collective. Basically the social failure of autists amounts to desperately looking for a collective to become a part of, but failing because there is none to be find. Running around in spirals like ants without a nest.

>> No.11639798

>>11639779
Who said evolution doesn't affect people anymore, dumbass?
>>11639788
It's an extra ability, not a defect.

>> No.11639799

>>11639705
Those people weren't tested for it, you muppet. Might as well claim that Caesar, Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Plato, Aristotle, etc all had it.

>> No.11639803

>>11638294
let the market decide

>> No.11639804

>>11639799
If you don't understand autism, don't reply

>> No.11639811

>>11638294
I would not take the opinion of uneducated marxists and trannies on twitter seriously. There is a thing called bodily autonomy and while some people find no problem functioning in society with autism and schizophrenia there are some that do struggle to fit in, and should have the individual sovereignty to let themselves get "cured". Seriously, getting an abortion is liberating and freedom of choice but getting a genome change is fascist and eugenics? If I choose to abort my child because he will be born with autism, is that better than editing his genomes? What a bunch of retards.

>> No.11639825

>>11639798
evolution and natural selection are not the same thing, people with massive disabilities like dwarfism can reproduce just fine in todays world wich would not have been the case in earlier human history.
if you develope health complications after the reproductive age and or live 20 years shorter than normal people those traits will never be selected against.

>> No.11639831

>>11638294
yes.

>> No.11639834

>>11639831
why?

>> No.11639851
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>>11639825
No. The first humans that arose when the two ape chromosomes fused together was also likely full of defects.

>> No.11639860

>>11639804
If you want to make baseless claims based upon clickbait articles, don't reply.

>> No.11639871

>>11639851
and?

>> No.11639873

>>11639799
>I know more about autism than Simon Baron-Cohen
just stop

>> No.11639887

>>11639777
>It would be orderly, people would act logically
it is almost like you have never interacted with an actual autist

>> No.11639959

>>11639871
They would be also defective in the begining, presumably more than people with dwarfism. They survived regardless and evolved other adaptations that fixed the errors.
>>11639873
He is rather controversial, to be honest.
>>11639887
What do you mean?

>> No.11639978

>>11638306
Why is it people think improving the gene pool is a bad thing? Why do they want to force people to give birth disabled kids?

>> No.11640029

>>11638306
What's wrong with eugenics

>> No.11640072

Schizophrenia is a huge pain, and doesn't look like I will have kids even if I wanted them.
Its the other side of the spectrum, dumb humans that cant absorb information. Emotions is a logic gate that I can just switch off whenever and where ever.
Emotional intelligence of 0, IQ not even worth scoring that fluctuates depending on how I got up this morning,

>speak for yourself

>> No.11640088

>>11638294
Yes we should.
These idiots that think autism is their superpower or they're big brained due to their aspergers, are not actually autistic, or at least not enough for it to majorly impact their lives.
True autism is not fun, and I think people struggling should be given a chance at something better.

>> No.11640142

>>11640072
I imagine schizophrenia really is what people imagine when they hear 'autism': a greatly limited capacity to consciously process information, atrocious abstract thinking skills, poor memory, poor spatial orientation, near total loss of self control...

>> No.11640848

>>11638294
Nah, don't use Crispr, just use guns.

>> No.11641037

>>11638294
Autism may just be heritage of inadequate education tendencies of parrents imposed onto the kids. The genes are heritable with those unconcious stuff those people do that brain of little kids just cannot handle.

>> No.11641061
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>>11638294
>Muh eugenics is bad


"Prevention" of Tay–Sachs disease -> jewish eugenics

>> No.11641102

>>11638306
Lmao this is why lefties are retarded, they are so pampered that they want every dream fullfilled in their lifetime and if other group can get benefits they won`t allow it because they get nothing.
A furry modification is easier than tranny modification because it´s "cosmetic".

>> No.11641107

>>11638306
>>11638298
>>11638422
it's kind of true though

like yeah it could be used for amazingly good purposes, but then so could regular old fashioned eugenics, and do you really trust psychopathic corporations and governments to not use it for horrible things on the side?

>> No.11641115

>>11639595
approved by hyenas and published by leeches

>> No.11641119

>>11638294
We should engineer a whole new human genome without risk of disease or ailment and more optimal positive traits
>Longer living, less hard aging
>Disease free
>Stronger bones and muscles
>Smarter and more perceptive
>More efficient proteins and metabolisms
Reach for the sun with these things

>> No.11642114

>>11641102
"Lefties" only mind if you get advantage at the expense of others. Which for "righties" seems completely impossible to understand. Getting advantage at the other's expense is their way of life. They may starve people jyst so that they can make money on selling them food and think it's some kind of irrational hate or persecution when they get kicked out of the country or punished.

>> No.11642170

>>11638294
Who the fucks gonna use the site

>> No.11642260

>>11642114
This must be the lowest IQ comment in this thread

>> No.11642268

>>11641119
While we're at it, we should engineer a goose that literally shits golden eggs

>> No.11642270

>>11638294
lol "fascists" they said, its a miracle just for us and our kin

>> No.11642359

>>11638294
we are already doing eugenics by allowing welfare and subsidies for people who don't make the cut and or are not willing to make the cut.
The losers are procreating and living on the blood and tears of the winners, becoming entitled through the generations.
I would be glad to have been genetically altered to have more processing power.
I am not even smart, yet I see that those are even dumber than I am.
Life has always been a fight for survival.

>> No.11642365
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>autism research news

would having autism help with autism research

>> No.11642461

>>11639777
What the fuck are you talking about? Autism IRL is nothing like what you think. Autism is being 30 years old and not being able to talk or even shitting inside the toilet. Even the lightest cases are nothing like what you said; they have such a low emotional intelligence that they can't 'act logically' (e.g. will bring a knife to school an threaten a teacher because he was mad about a grade).

>> No.11642503

>>11638306
>how about stopping trying to cure illnesses and instead encourage our delusion even more

>> No.11642578

>>11640088
no true scotman fallacy

>> No.11642582
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>>11638294
…. why not build the positive traits like hyperfocus and elevated intelligence (the assburgers) and combine them with the neurotypical traits to make an übermensch?

>> No.11642588

>>11642461
No it isn't. Please just KYS

>> No.11642594 [DELETED] 

>>11642260
There are many documented where it happened and the righties were just completely puzzled why those evil commies want to take the fruit of their hard work. Righties are totally impissible to understand the idea of crime and punishment, it's always just repression of the totalitarian regime to them.

>> No.11642596

>>11642582
Why, when we have you around already? What you really want is hordes and hordes of extremely gullible and low IQ followers with an incessant hate of science, nature and people. At least 4chan is an excellent place to start hiring from.

>> No.11642600

>>11642594
Rightism correlates with psychological authoritarianism which is ultimately a belief in clear and nonpermeable class structure, subordination of certain groups, a clearly defined rule system etc. You don't become right (in the modern sense) by choice. It's ultimately the result of a person with low empathy/compassion and intelligence together with high egotism, narcissisim and aggression. There's a reason why rightism is and always has been historically so rare among universities and colleges and it's not because of an alleged marxist conspiracy (another rightist we vs. them myth)

>> No.11642601

There are many documented where it happened and the righties were just completely puzzled why those evil commies want to take the fruit of their hard work. Righties seem just completely unable to understand the idea of crime and punishment, it's always just persecution of the totalitarian regime to them.

>> No.11642606

>>11642596
I didn't think of it that way, but more complecant NPCs to die in droves for the intellegencia overlords sounds lovely. Caste system time?

>> No.11642607 [DELETED] 

>>11642600
Sort of. Sorry for the deletion.>>11642601

>> No.11642618

>>11642600
Not necessarily authoritarian, righties will readily reject left wing authority. It's more like if righties are the descendants of raider warriors (each for his own, cooperate against mutual enemies) while lefties are descendant of agriculturalists ( where cooperation was necessary, you unconditionally cooperate, when you want to compete then you are not welcome)

>> No.11642640

>>11642600
Or maybe both will seem authority when in the other society. Because authority for a rightie is the biggest bully , eh the braves warriors who helped others defeat the most enemies. The same one will be the worst piece of shit for lefties who won't understand why everyone won't just band against him and drive him away.
The one who benefits others the most will have the highest social standing among lefties, but for righties he is weak, because you only givd others whdn you fear of getting beaten. No idea why others follow somebody so obviously worthless, instead of just of mocking him and laughing at him.

>> No.11642644

>>11642618
>>11642600
I'm high on authoritarianism, centrist on left/right axis and got gifted tier intelligence (tested and all) what has science to say on me and my leanings? i'm genuinely curious now.

>> No.11642653

>>11642640
*both will seem anti authority

>> No.11642657

>>11642644
See >>11642640

>> No.11642776

>>11639777
>people would act logically, nobody would be unnecessarily cruel to eachother
Explain /pol/

>> No.11642786

>>11642640
>>11642618
>>11642600
and Centrists? are they the manipulative weasels then?

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>>11642776
Mostly satire, few lunatics and alot of tourists. Denying the holocaust/jewish conspiracy and being able to use a computer are not skills that normally overlap.

>> No.11642807

>>11642461
I have autism. can talk. Nigga.

>> No.11642813

>>11638705
Then who gives a fuck

>> No.11643341

>>11642461
>people who grow up in a hostile environment populated 99% with psychopaths of a different neurotype begin to develop emotional problems and lash out
wow no shit. This is nothing unique, every animal will respond in this way. Imagine how violent neurotypicals would be if the situation were reversed and they had to grow up in an autistic environment and be viciously bullied and outcasted their whole lives. If anything it's a testament to autistic people's peaceful ways and superior empathy that most of them don't act violent and just focus inwardly instead, hence the appalling numbers of mental health problems in autistics.

>> No.11643346

>>11643341
''every animal'' what about animals too stupid to be capable of empathy and thus are psychopaths by default? like all insects. From what I heard most autists are hyperempathic but fail to express this in a socially acceptable way?

>> No.11643365

>>11642807
Doesn't mean all autistics can. If you want to use individual cases for proof, I know one who can't talk, and has shoved his head in cold ovens looking for pastries.
My opinion is that we should have two diagnoses, fuck the compartmentalization into the spectrum, delegate Aspergers to you and Greta Thunberg, save Autism to those who can't talk so we can unhook ourselves from the burden of explaining "No, no, I'm not talking about your autism, just the kind that actually matters". Whenever normal people realize you need help, and that Autism is not virtuous.

>> No.11643431

>>11643346
The problem isn't in autists. The problem is that normies only learn to express empathy by observing others, but genuinely have none, so none of them has any idea what they're doing, so it largely doesn't make any sense. Same problem with emotions. Normie copy what facial expressions are made by others and when. They don't have much idea what the purpose of all that is, but they know it has to be done, or they will get punished. But they don't understand it, so the way they dl it makes no sense.

I.e. autists who do have empathy stand out among normie psychopaths.

>>11643365
The difference between speaking or not may be the level of abuse.

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Hypothetically, what would a world without autism even look like?

>> No.11643475

spergs need to be sterilized.
so maybe science will be unfucked when we get rid of you tards.

>> No.11643477

>>11638723
i think that would happen, but it would be an uninformed choice. i think by saying that’s the morally acceptable position, which definitely makes sense when you first look at the problem, you’re equating the choices parents will make with the value of that type of existence. i know people who have told me sometimes they wish their kids wouldn’t have to grow up black. but the disadvantages they face aren’t a result of some inherent nature of their being black. by gene editing out minority races we’re essentially solving the problem of racism by removing race instead of trying to solve the societal flaws that lead to it. i cant help but wonder if we’d be doing the same thing if we gene edited out autism, or relatively mild forms of depression or anxiety. more importantly, what’s the standard by which we might say no to editing out race but yes to editing out depression anxiety etc?

>> No.11643478

>>11643341
>Imagine how violent neurotypicals would be if the situation were reversed and they had to grow up in an autistic environment and be viciously bullied and outcasted their whole lives
>NUH UH IT IS NOT OUR FAULT IT IS YOURS
>IF IT WAS REVERSED YOU WOULD SUFFER TOO
Jesus you sound like a nigger complaining about whitey.

>> No.11643493

>>11643475
spergs made the world you live in today, show some respect neurotypelet

>> No.11643499

>>11643478
typical empathylet, should have known they can't comprehend such arguments

>> No.11643511

>>11643478
Holy shit this is actually true. You can see that with the arguments spergs make here.
>WE BE ACTUALLY SUPERIOR AND MORE EMPATHETIC
Despite data showing that autists are low IQ and are almost always psychopaths.
>IT BE BECAUSE NORMIE BE KEEPING US DOWN
Even though they get neetbux and free therapy sessions.
>BUT WE MADE DA MODERN WORLD
Just like how blacks claim an invention was made by a black man when it didn't.
Overall they have a superiority complex, but the data suggests they are inferior. So they cope with a victim complex to protect their own superiority one. It's so cringey.

>> No.11643528

>>11643511
>Just like how blacks claim an invention was made by a black man when it didn't.
this is literally what neurot*picals do every time the subject comes up. watch how offended they get when you point out that isaac newton, smartest man in human history was an autistic. neurot*picals make up 99% of the earth and still have to steal accomplishments from the 1% of superior autistics, it is pathetic

>> No.11643750

>>11638298
By now it is just a generic bad word used to paint someone. Seems few even know what it means or how it differs from, say, national socialism.

>> No.11643763 [DELETED] 

>>11643511
Most neurotypicals have literally no idea how inventing things works. They either think everyone learned all they lnow from someone else like them, or they think it's some kind of mysterious power you somehow get after long years of studying. Normies didn't invent enything, they can't do that.

>> No.11643783

>>11643511
Most neurotypicals have literally no idea how inventing things works. They either think everyone learned all they know from someone else like them, or they think it's some kind of mysterious power you somehow get after long years of studying. Normies didn't invent anything, they can't do that.

>> No.11643803

>>11643459
Judging how savant autists (not the tards) are the next step of evolution? well, look at the USA. idiocracy.

>> No.11644059
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>>11638439
>High functioning autism
I wonder what a world with such people only would look like.

In a past as well as my present line of work there are supposedly many on the higher end of the spectrum. Still it isn't easy. A colleague lost her job but has social problems and falls through in all interviews.

>> No.11644073

>>11644059
well, empathy for example, got two versions

-Emotional, you are tuned and pick up on how others feel

-Cognitive, you use reasoning and patterns to empathize with someone. instead picking up that they are sad, you do some digging and ''sttch it together''

You still need to feel sympathy for cognitive, that's why psychopaths can't understand empathy even on cognition. They can pretend to, but if their ''target'' is more savy at this field they'll penetrate that facade quickly.

Now aobut an autistic world, well, it would be overwhelmingly dominated by cognitive processes instead the emotional ones. You would see people in the street with statusses like online, but then as a badge. wether they want to socialize or not, there also would be no pretense to anything. Guy would tell girl he finds her hot and wishes to get to know her better, then they discuss their favorite activities and pick someone. there is no ''game'' playing and social etiquette would be extremely direct. crowded spaces would facilitate sensory overload chambers, think like a toilet you rent which is basicly a whiteroom with a sofa to destress.

That's what I can come up with for now, it's your perception wether this is good or bad.

>> No.11644377

>>11644073
>well, empathy for example, got two versions
Not everyone have empathy. Mine is extreme, close to mind reading. It took me many years to understand not everyone feels the same. Even with that knowledge I was still ground down by an utter psychopathic boss. She had a degree in divinity (no, really) and used her insight into the human mind to destroy people.

Interesting idea about an autistic world. Eudemonia had a different, also interesting, take on what such a world could be like.

>> No.11645303 [DELETED] 

>>11644059
>I wonder what a world with such people only would look like.
China. Seriously.
>Still it isn't easy. A colleague lost her job but has social problems and falls through in all interviews
Normies know everything from memory, which allows them to 'read' people by noticing how exactly they do things. It is virtually impossible to fake, you would have to relearn everything, so normies are used to rely on it over other things. Since autists don't rely on memorizing,but learn on a more abstract level, they cannot be learned that way, which makes normies hate them.

>> No.11645309

>>11644059
>I wonder what a world with such people only would look like.
China. Seriously.
>Still it isn't easy. A colleague lost her job but has social problems and falls through in all interviews
Normies know everything from memory, which allows them to 'read' people by noticing how exactly they do things. It is virtually impossible to fake, you would have to relearn everything, so normies are used to rely on it over other things. Since autists don't rely on memorizing,but learn on a more abstract level, they cannot be read that way, which makes normies hate them. Often get murdered for that reason alone.

>> No.11645451
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Spergs should be relocted to sperg education centers that raise them to be tough and bold, instead of faggots that correct you when you use "lazy" instead of "lackadaisical" or some other needlessly complex word so he can stroke his own ego. Spergs have potential, but (((certain people))) trick them into being furfags and literal fags, and few actually become prominent people, like Elon Musk.

>> No.11645465

>>11645451
>relocted
Jesus christ, did I have a stroke?
>>11642606
The way I see it, if we successfully kill off the top joo dynasties, life will go on like this:
>spergs raised to the highest standards rule in a rome-esque republic with a basic AI keeping emperors from coming to ruin the government system
>normies get to do normal shit (working, marrying, enjoying movies, etc etc)
>the slaves are plebbitor bugmen that were once made by said jooz, who are too stupid to get that they are merely tools, and are probably too lazy to care about freedom.

>> No.11645481

>>11638306
>we all CRISPR furries, scalie, and (insert more autism)
Or, we fucking factory reset these retards' brains and train them to be functioning humans. Seriously, I'm a sperg and these subhumans are an embarrassment to our name. Fuck.

>> No.11645496

>>11639705
Only Mozart was really an autist, motherfucker loved scat. Seriously,
>Leck mich im A... g'schwindi, g'schwindi!
>Leck im A... mich g'schwindi.
>Leck mich, leck mich,
>g'schwindi

>> No.11645527

>>11643493
Aspies who pull the "eeeeeh we made everything so you should suck our toes" shtick do not count as one of us. Fuck off. You don't seen Elon Musk sperging about "le neurotypicals" and he's fucking ruling spaceflight. Because his desire to propel mankind into the space age trumps his ego. People like you on the other hand...
>>11643499
PUSSY
>>11643511
Kek. They cling to the notion that Einstein and the other goodies of history had ASD, but never mentioning someone like say, HITLER, having it.
>>11643528
Newton actually respected people and didn't scream "EEEEEEEEH NEUROTYPICAL" when someone said that he wasn't worthy of being fucking worshipped.
>>11643783
You don't, either. It's why you drone on and on about how you're sooooo superior, yet le neurotypicals are soooo mean to you and they need to be nicer. Fuck off. You make people like me look more retarded than we already are. Do us and your local welfare office a favor and get a job.

>> No.11645533

>>11644073
I think the whole hypersensitivity thing is gay. Just gain a tolerance after controlled exposures.

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>>11638306
These people have never seen someone they love slowly become a fat nobody that noone wants to hang around because their autistic tardstrength of a daughter leaves the door open when she goes to the toilet.

Ive known multiple people this has happened to.
This Liberals are the same sort who live in white closed gated communities and their daily interaction with blacks is at the coffee house where they get their fat free onions latte.

>> No.11645685 [DELETED] 

>>11645527
Fakest larp ever.

>> No.11645687

>>11645527
Because he's already succesful. He would wnd up homeless like everyone else if he didn't have support from his wealthy family.

>> No.11645891

>>11645527
Hitler didn't have ASD you fucking retard, you don't know what you're talking about. Nothing worse than some bootlicker "aspie" who thinks he will be accepted by neurotypicals if he sucks them off enough. I bet you were diagnosed post-2005

>> No.11645903

>>11645309
>China. Seriously.
Just how? I have seen too many videos demonstrating people in action with zero empathy, such as driving over children.

>> No.11645926

A world ran by autists would end up with things like genocide of people with different food preferences you know this is true. Never let an autist into a position of power, that is reserved for socially conscious people.

>> No.11645947

>>11638294
Cure ageing and induce the autism and have human computers working on cool shit for 100s of years.

>> No.11645956

>>11645926
>position of power, that is reserved for socially conscious people
Anon...

>> No.11645967

>>11645956
Usually if someone attains a position of power and happens to be one of those psychopatic people that don't give a shit about anything other than personal gain they still know what makes people tick and how to operate in society.

Autists are clueless, they can only come up with their bullshit theories on how people behave with usually themselves as the template for good. An autist would always be a much worse ruler than any machiavellan psychopath.

>> No.11645969

>>11638294
Where do I sign up as an eastern european to be a labrat for CRISPR+CAS9 ? I'm gonna be dead anyway.

>> No.11646003 [DELETED] 

>>11645926
Yes, because autists are those who would hate people for being very slightly different, unlike normies who would never think of bullying somebody for being weird...
Tou must know that usn't true, it's the normies always looking for an excuse to bully, autists only care about things that do harm.

>> No.11646007

>>11645903
China is huge and not everyone is like that. There is also common fraud where people try to get hit on purpose. But the majority is like that.

>> No.11646012

>>11645926
Yes, because autists are those who would hate people for being very slightly different, unlike normies who would never think of bullying somebody for being weird...
You must know that usn't true, it's the normies always looking for an excuse to bully, autists only care about things that do harm. And you would be told to just not do it instead of getting beaten senseless with no warning.

>> No.11646043

>>11639589
shut up retard

>> No.11646110

>>11646043
Dyslexic people are not retarded, in fact about a half of enterpreneurs are dyslexic.

>> No.11646260

>>11645533
Xanax helps.

t. high-end sperg

>> No.11646297

>>11646110
you can't recognize patterns, language is a pattern. Thus you are retarded, as it's the centre of cognition.

>> No.11646363

>>11646297
But dyslexics have no trouble with that, they only chose to process language in different, (arguably more practical, as it makes all the further processing simpler) chunks. The only problem is that the writing system is incompatible with it. (They have no unusual problems with learning to read and write Chinese, for example)

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>>11645891
>DUUUUH BOOTLICKER NEUROTYPICAL
You're the kid who told the teacher about the homework, weren't you?

>> No.11646497

>>11638294
as a schizophrenic who was wrongly diagnosed with autism in my teens crispr should be made available I can't imagine any adult finding out from their parents that the parent stopped them being disabled and having a problem with it

>> No.11646735

>>11644073
This sounds great to me actually

>> No.11647053

>>11638417
finally someone gets it

>> No.11647083

>>11638298
Theoretically you're entering the realm of gene editing. Can you see where this is going?

>> No.11647093

>>11638439
You have to have sex to pass your genes on sperg

>> No.11647197

>>11646735
same guy, well, I forgot toadd that autists tend to be extremely rigid and inflexible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTQJdGp4F34

Hyperbolic, but it makes the point.

>> No.11647928

People are going to be engineering their children to be autistic, not trying to get rid of it. Watch China in the next 15 years and you will see.

>> No.11647946

>>11647928
no they won't, they'll be trying to get rid of it. Watch China in the next 10 years and you will see.

>> No.11647958

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU8nSn5Ezd8

this fucking board, I swear.

>> No.11648418

>>11647928
East Asians are autistic by default.

>> No.11648591

>>11647083

>Theoretically

Bro this is literally gene editing and can have very serious consequences. I am sure scientists will be totally responsible with this just like they always have been with new technology lol


This shit should 100% be heavily scrutinized by top scientists and hell even philosophers too

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>>11638294
>cure
Look, I get it. Most of us aren't genius savants. Most aspies are actually a little slow, and the ones who need to be taken care of can be a burden.
But do you really want us gone that badly? Genetic-based "cures" are just eugenics. We're talking about identification in the womb and subsequent abortion, or else we're talking about trying to remove an entire aspect of who someone is.
>we'll just fix their DNA with CRISPR
You're trying to ablate and replace entire patterns of behavior and thinking. A stereotyped pattern of interests and fascination. The way a person speaks and carries themselves when they walk. The way a person expresses joy and anguish. The way a person experiences the world and the contents of their own mind.
You can't change all that about a person and still have the same person. You're talking about such a drastic alteration of a person's being that it's tantamount to destroying them and replacing them with something else. You don't want to fix aspies or help them. You want them erased on the most fundamental level possible and you're suggesting experimental mutilation on a molecular level in order to accomplish that with the appearance of humanity.
Autism isn't like cancer. It isn't an affliction attached to an otherwise normal person that you can just excise. It informs how you feel and hear and see things. It informs how you think and emote and what you like and how you move and speak. You can't remove that from a person without losing their personhood.
There's no way you've seriously considered what a monstrous proposition this is.

>> No.11649475

>>11647946
It depends on what you mean by autism. If it measn enhanced visuospatial reasoning, then Aspies and asians already both have it, and Aspie asians have it even more. Surely one or two Chinese scientists will be curious to see what happens if they exaggerate the trait even more, and to see if they can avoid ruining verbal reasoning in the process.

>> No.11649551

>>11648418
They make fun of that themselves:
https://youtu.be/YrGPdHl4mzs
https://youtu.be/_nk3wBuvM-U

>> No.11649793

>>11649551
is there a genetic link between race and autism or schizophrenia? I mean, ethnic chinese got a genetic link for diminished empathy (psychopathy) so it doesn't seem too farfetched.

>> No.11649883 [DELETED] 

>>11649793
Yes, Jews have a higher risk of schizophrenia and the majority of east asians is autistic by default. (But it doesn't show when everyone is like that)
It isn't a lack of empathy per se, it's more that people with different levels of systemizing have trouble empathizing (sometimes even communicating) with each other.

>> No.11649889

>>11649793
Yes, Jews have a higher risk of schizophrenia and the majority of east asians is autistic by default. (But it doesn't show when everyone is like that)
It isn't a lack of empathy per se, it's more that people with different levels of systemizing have trouble empathizing (sometimes even communicating) with each other. (I.e. for those high on systemizing [regardless of race or culture] it's the white pair who seems unempathic)

>> No.11650109

>>11638670
>I’d be a different person
yeah you'd be less retarded. if someone could make me less retarded I'd say yes

>> No.11650113

>>11638603
>There is zero logic to it
there absolutely is but you can't see it like you're emotionally colorblind

>> No.11650123

>>11638294
Schizophrenia is demon possession
Autism is caused by vaccines and mothers who had vaccines

Neither of them are genetic

>> No.11650361

>>11650109
Again, dyslexics are not retarded by any measure. Dyslexics tend to be highly succesful in life. Reading is the only problem, and only in some languages, and it isn't a problem because they are retarded, but because they recognize morphemes as they are, instead of bothering with the speech sound bullshit. (Which linguists still haven't figured out how it even is there to be heard in the first place) When you assk a dyslexic child what word D O G makes, they won't be able to answer, not because they forgot what you said, but because "dog" is just one sound to them. (And they might have forgot how it is spelled)

>> No.11650364

>>11650113
That's the thing. I am not. Your emotions just don't make any sense.

>> No.11651013

>>11650109
How do you deal with people who get constantly upset for no reason, who cannot even explain themselves what made them upset?

>> No.11651031

>>11639705
>>11638439
>>11638603
>>11638631
>>11638723
>>11638769
>>11638903
>>11639021
>>11639603
>>11639729
>>11639741
>>11639851
>>11641037
>>11642359
>>11643341
>>11643431
>>11645687
>>11645891
>>11646043
>>11646497
>>11649551
>>11649889

All prime number posts on this thread.

>> No.11651043

>>11651013
WHY THE FUCK DO YOU ASSUME YOU DID NOT DO ANYTHING??

Your fucking sentence didn't end with a word with an even number of letter counting. That's why I'm mad. You get mad about things as well. Is it so much to ask people end sentences with words that have an even number?

>> No.11652949

>>11651043
This is way too accurate...

>> No.11652967
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>>11638374
What a novel idea!

>> No.11653000

When talking about genome editing, is heritable and inheritable used synonymously? As in, both describe genetic alterations that have implications for future generations?

>> No.11653305

>>11638306
>if we get rid of autism we should let furries, scalies and shapeshifters be made.

We're trying to cure autism, not increase it

>> No.11653351

>>11653305
>We're trying to cure autism
Are we? And who is this "we"?
Before we start messing with the brain there are hundreds of other serious illnesses with genetic basis we could fix with less controversy and potentially greater financial gains such as curing allergies, Tay-Sachs, susceptibility for cataract and glaucoma, diabetes and heamofilia.

>> No.11653479

>>11648728
So in other words, culling autism also means removing homosexuality, furfaggotry, and other degenerate tastes.

>> No.11653481

>>11638294
No, we should just use abortion or throw babies off balconies.

>> No.11653518

>>11646297
brainlet take

>> No.11653528

>>11645926
Autists don’t give a fuck, it’s normies who enforce arbitrary norms religiously

>> No.11653571

>>11638294
Autism is a mental illness, so yes.

>> No.11653656

>>11653479
>So in other words, culling autism also means removing homosexuality, furfaggotry, and other degenerate tastes.
There is no proof of that. The only vague connection I have heard of is a connection between high level autism and latex fetishism, but that could have a practical explanation.

>> No.11653765

>>11640088
The fact that severe autism makes you completely non-functional isn’t inconsistent with the hypothesis that mild cases can enhance your intellect

The severe kind isn’t “true autism” any more than the HF kind even though it may be more common

>> No.11653771

>>11639799
There’s no “test” retard. It’s not a fucking virus. Diagnosis is subjective and behavior-based.

>> No.11653772

>>11638294
yes, obviously

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>>11638306
>Genetically engineering people to be sexual deviants and/or freakish mutants

>> No.11653805

>>11647083
Yes, no more making kids down the line.

>> No.11653858

>>11638306
Almost based, but we need to do both. I won't be happy until I can sleeve into whatever body is necessary for whatever lifestyle I choose to follow. Not even for fetish shit like that retard was talking about. The human body is ill suited for survival in many habitats, like the ocean and space. Our strength is middling, our skin lacks durability, our joints wear quickly when worked hard, our sense of sight, sound and smell are poor to mediocre, and our brain/hornone design leaves us vulnerable to manipulation. Many straight up improvements can be made, and different body designs used for specialization. Transhumanism is the way forward unless we want to replace ourselves completely with inorganic machinery.

>> No.11653934

>>11639419
You can be normal. Those diseases are made up to sell you pills. And you buy it cause it's satysfing to think you're shit because an unavoidable condition rather than accept you fucjed up

>> No.11653994

>>11638294
Maybe just asking psychiatric industry to stop manufacturing them would help,

>> No.11654018

>>11639016
With eyes part of the brain.

>> No.11654378

>>11653765
All increase your intellect, some increase it to the point where you are no longer compatible with human society.

>> No.11654473

>>11654378
Incompatibility? That might not take much, based on my experience in school.

>> No.11654491

>>11638294
>should we eliminate polio?
>yes or no?
>ANSWER ME

>> No.11654506

The native indians and the amish said we should let nature take its course and we should all die out. That's fine. Like, who cares?

>> No.11654628

You know guys, none of this is mandatory. If you think autism is so good give it to your children with crispr.

>> No.11654634

>>11654491
No because the fact that one child that one time studied a lot (since it couldn't play outside) and then did something important.

>> No.11655652

They are features of our genes that thrive in hunter gather environments.

>> No.11655677

>>11650361
>When you ask a dyslexic child what word D O G makes, they won't be able to answer
Sounds incredibly retarded.

>> No.11655732

>>11655677
It's a trivial question when the word intuitively consists of 'dog'. When you hear it as 狗,it's impossible to figure out, you just need to memorize it. It seems incredibly retarded that you don't get that.

>> No.11655744

>>11651031
based autist reply

>> No.11655748

>>11655744
It was meant to satirize normie behavior.

>> No.11656059

Yes we fucking should, tards, drunks and autistic hobos are annoying as shit, nothing wrong with altering genetics for the better.

>> No.11656089 [DELETED] 

>>11656059
But having an extra cognitive ability is better than not having it. Maybe we should crispr everyone to have autism. It would be a world of peace and peosperity.

>> No.11656094

>>11656059
But having an extra cognitive ability is better than not having it. Maybe we should crispr everyone to have autism. It would be a world of peace and prosperity.

>> No.11656108

>>11656094
Autism doesn't make people smart, only some types like Asperger's do that, most autists are just tards who drool and fling their shit everywhere because someone said something that they didn't like. Aspies are fine imo, I know one IRL and he's really fucking smart and pretty chill.

>> No.11656238

>>11656108
All have the extra systemizing. The tards are from the drugs and abuse.

>> No.11657472

So how many of the greatest scientists were on the spectrum?

>> No.11658015

>>11638294
this belongs on /philosophy/

>> No.11658230

>>11657472
Pretty much all of them. I can't recall a single pussy crushing chad or business sociopath who significantly advanced our understanding of the world. A few of them kinda did so by accident and by proxy through funding a brilliant autist, but that autist may very well have done just fine without the sponsorship, so it's hard to tell if such people are any use at all when it comes to science.

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>>11639771
kek

>> No.11659220

>>11658230
>Pretty much all of them.
That is what I guessed.
>I can't recall a single pussy crushing chad
Feynman?

>> No.11659830

>>11659220
>The theoretical broadening which comes from having many humanities subjects on the campus is offset by the general dopiness of the people who study these things.
>A very great deal more truth can become known than can be proven.
>For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled.
>"This man is, in my opinion, an extremely complex and dangerous person, a very dangerous person to have in a position of public trust... In matters of intrigue Richard Feynman is, I believe immensely clever—indeed a genius—and he is, I further believe, completely ruthless, unhampered by morals, ethics, or religion—and will stop at absolutely nothing to achieve his ends."
The guy was smart as shit and based as fuck, but I don't think he was a pussy crusher. I think he leaned schizoid, but was mild enough of a case to get short term fulfillment from socialization. He had some success with women, but he also got conned by a bunch of them.

>> No.11660204

>>11659830
The fools that set up the Challenger disaster commission thought he would be a nice, harmless alibi to whitewash what had happened.
The was the worst case of underestimation in the history of NASA. And the way he brought the hammer down in Appendix F remains legendary.

>> No.11660332

I wonder what these retarded marxist trannies would think of crispr and "eugenics" if we found a way to edit xy chromosomes.

>> No.11661925

>>11638306
Well you actually can't do that trans-everything with CRISPR, as the tchnique would only apply to new living beings, not preexisting ones. You would have to make the changes to your children to see the effects of the change.

>> No.11662883

>>11661925
>only apply to new living beings
Isn't it specifically just fertilized eggs?

>> No.11662892

>>11638294
YES FOR THE LAST TIME YES.
These conditions not only ruin the lives of those people with ACTUAL cases, but also of those around them.
Mild Aspies """high-functioning""" do not need surgery as they are functioning people.

>> No.11662943

>>11649889
you're so full of shit. ashkenazi jews have such high levels of schizophrenia because of centuries of inbreeding

>> No.11663248

>>11662943
I said nothing about why it's so.

>> No.11663361

>>11639589
how can this even work
do they save words on their brain in a different format

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>>11638306
This is why "science communicators" shouldn't exist. Science should be HIDDEN from the unwashed masses, they don't know what's good for them. They reap the benefits while they try to stop the unstoppable engine of progress. Let them not see how the sausage is made.

>> No.11663380

>>11638306
>Editing brain genes is the same as giving you a new body
are people with identity disphoria in general this stupid?

>> No.11663406

>>11638678
>A rich man exploits the poor by providing them with substandard, overpriced housing. The local charity discussing how to take the housing away from them (hurts both the poor and the rich man) and how to prevent the poor from helping each other too much. (With the pretense it will make the strong among them rise and get wealthy)
Its comparable to infanticide in other mammals' groups
https://africageographic.com/stories/understanding-lion-infanticide/
>When a new coalition of males takes over a pride, they almost always kill the prides’ cubs, since they are not biologically related and do not want to spend energy ensuring that other lions’ genes will be passed on. In addition, female lions will not be receptive to mating while they are nursing, so killing the cubs enables the male lions to procreate.
Why would you let a group that is below you become strong and compete? Its a psychopathical feature of hierarchies.

>> No.11663420

>>11638670
>Same thing for autistic people probably.
Well I am in the spectrum and would probably have done better with a lot of stuff in my life if I wasn't, but whats done is done and I learnt to cope with it. Struggle breeds resilience. Also when people you become close with begin to understand you and you don't hide your autism it certainly helps.

>> No.11663422

>>11656108
>>11656094
autists have lower average IQ but autistic variants do give higher IQ
You just can't have too many of them
I just can't find the paper, but it's similar with schizophrenia variants too

>> No.11664904

>>11663361
The nerve cells in autistic brains have far more branching than in neurotypical brains. This is clearly visible in micrographs.

>> No.11664930

>>11664904
Show them.

>> No.11664971

>>11649475
I was just trying to show how stupid it is to post x thing will happen just wait till y if you don't believe me

>> No.11665223

>>11664930
It was shown here earlier, but I didn't save the pictures. Instead I find this:
https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/neurons-from-people-with-autism-grow-differently-scientists-find

>> No.11665982
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11665982

>> No.11666191

>>11638294
I would say no because there is a bioethics to this type of technology. The ability to select our genetics in the womb is a bizarre Brave New World idea that frankly doesn't sound all too great.

>> No.11666243

>>11638298
more or less this>>11643750
generic word for something that makes those who feel inferior feel more inferior

>> No.11666251

>>11666191
yeah it is completely unethical to not cure someone of a disorder when it is possible to do so

>> No.11666286

>>11666251
Why is autism a candidate to genetically condition for? Men who are short I would argue have the same degree of a disadvantage at life as someone with autism, should we also genetically select for genes that produce tall people?

>> No.11666321

>>11666286
autism is a disorder that impairs social communication. Unfortunately because it is behaviorally based it is overdiagnoisesd, which leads to people taking it quite lightly and joking about being "a little autistic". People who are severely autistic can have little no no speech function and are often unable to ever live independently. This is a serious impact on their quality of life, much more so then not liking being short for whatever reason.

>> No.11666371

>>11666321
People don't like to be short because it impairs their confidence, how people view them, and are often mocked for being shorter than their peers. This lack of confidence and social communication can also lead to impact on quality of life, much like an autist may experience. I ask you again, should we genetically select for genes that produce tall people, because we are aiming for quality of life? What about selecting for high IQ, since people with low IQ tend to have poor qualities of life as well? What you are suggesting is that you have chosen an arbitrary point on the bell curve of quality of life and consider that to be the norm. Do you see how this is an ethical issue? I'm not completely against the idea, but i'm curious to see how the logic of screening based on "quality of life" ends up concluding.

>> No.11666449

>>11666371
>People don't like to be short because it impairs their confidence, how people view them, and are often mocked for being shorter than their peers
thats cosmetic, that's like comparing getting a boob job to not having brain damage.
>quality of life
It is obviously subjective, I don't have a list of criteria on me. If someone has a mental disorder then it should be corrected, I'm not going to debate every disorder in existence and the exact subjective circumstances.
>tall, IQ
I think a parent should have the option to. Obviously a law would need to be more detailed then that
>Do you see how this is an ethical issue?
no shit thats why I said it was unethical to not cure the kid.
>you have chosen an arbitrary point on the bell curve of quality of life and consider that to be the norm.
no more than anyother moral issue. Ethics itself is subjective to a given person. doesn't mean it is arbitrary or based on nothing

>> No.11666581

>>11638670
I have discalculia and I'd get rid of it in a heartbeat if I could. You're retarded

>> No.11666705

>>11666251
If it is true that many of the most important scientists were high functioning autists, there is no way a society would eliminate them by genetic engineering. Science and technology gets no respect but normies still want their medicines and progress.

>> No.11667567

>>11666449
>I think a parent should have the option to
I wouldn’t, it becomes a prisoners dilemma: since we aren’t going to coordinate, my options to ensure my child the best chance at life compared to others would be to get the gene removed, because I can’t trust that you won’t do the same. Why wouldn’t you after all? Autism is a neurological disorder. We do things like this when we ensure our child gets into the best pre-school, get them prepped for the SAT at 13, etc. Why do we do this? Because we know everyone else is. The illusion of choice becomes mandated because everyone else will do it. This is why I’m India it’s illegal for a doctor to give the sex of the child during pregnancy, because everyone was aborting their baby if it was a girl. Just how you can get your entire DNA ancestry for $50, you can certainly expect this type of technology if it were released for public consumers to be cheap in the future. I don’t want a world where we erase entire genomes because of some arbitrary mark of neurological well-being. This isn’t cancer, muscular dystrophy, or any other life threatening disease being cured; this is autism, and youre under some impression that autism is a horrible disorder that fucks you for life and should be erased from the gene pool. Plenty of autists live normal lives. I don’t want to strip them from their identity. If this was a cure, then sure I would be for this, but not in the form of gene editing in the womb.

>> No.11667985

>>11666705
It's possible to eliminate the debilitating autism without eliminating the high functioning autist personality type. We could even tune things such that more technically minded and socially ignorant (but still empathetic) people are born.

>> No.11668001

>>11642260
You know he's right

>> No.11668042

>>11667985
>It's possible to eliminate the debilitating autism without eliminating the high functioning autist personality type.
How??

>> No.11668247

>>11668042
The same way we can make an animal with a black stripe without making the whole thing black.

>> No.11668259

>>11638294
4chan would be destroyed then and there

>> No.11668263

>>11652967
Underrated

>> No.11668266

>>11641107
Regular old fashioned eugenics is a good thing.

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>>11665223
>popsci magazine

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11668412

no Einstein was seriously autistic he was not neurotical he was mutated.

individuals with neurological mutations should be celebrated as a triumph of human genetic variaion.

genetic variation fuels evolution.

I think research for a cure should be allowed but that autistic should not be aborted especially high functioning

>> No.11668593

>>11668247
OK, go on....

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>>11668593
autistic's are violently opposed to conforming to social rules as a child I was anti authoritarian.

I would dress in the most inappropriate most unique and non confirming way.

I would always challenge the teachers assertions and provide evidence to prove them wrong in the 1st grade I argued with my teacher and I won after I convinced her to look up the answer on google.

in middle school I refused to conform to rap music and pop because I knew that the white mans rock and roll was intellectually superior.

I refused to pray or take religion seriously and I would destroy the Torah and smash the religious foundations.

>> No.11668633

>>11668593
autistic's are just free thinkers, I think I am probably just a genius who was misdiagnosed as autistic.

the Jewish nerd is always accused of autism by less intelligent students

I have a terminal neurodegenerative disease and I am too smart to be diagnosed

>> No.11668681

>>11642793
why would you believe the government holocaust narrative?
there is no evidence besides "just trust me bro"

>> No.11668776

>>11668681
I don’t think faking it and leaving zero evidence would be possible without magical powers. Plus you know all the mass graves documents photos crime scenes confessions witnesses census data and a bunch of other things all pointing to the same conclusion: that the mainstream narrative is basically correct.

>> No.11668805

>>11647083
I can see how retards try to lump things together that don't belong together, but I cannot see what gene editing has to do with violent suppressive authoritarian control anymore than a prison system does, but somehow theres no protest over that.

>> No.11668819

>>11668627
>opposed to conforming to social rules
Is that the root cause? I thought it was the problems of navigating social setting and read subtle clues, without going into navigation mode.

I had a colleague who really ticks off all the boxes for high functioning autism but now she finds it hard to get a job. She has good papers, are asked for interviews but fails the interviews. And she doesn't understand why.

>>11668633
>I have a terminal neurodegenerative disease
I am sorry to hear that.

>> No.11668827

>>11668776
Yeah but everything has alternate explanations as well (typhoid graves, confirmed cases of exaggerating experiences, etc). If only we could examine the sites to confirm one way or another..

>> No.11668876

>>11668827
So world war 2 itself didn’t happen because we can pretend all the deaths were to typhus? And since there are thousands of fictional stories about world war 2 none of the witnesses matter?

>> No.11669103

>>11668593
There is a huge difference between productively autistic and debilitatingly autistic. I suspect people who can't even talk and spend their whole day sorting blocks are so entirely distinct from people who can just make better logical connections instantly that you can filter the former without affecting the birth rate of the latter at all.

>> No.11669119

>>11638415
I read this with a crying søybôy voice

>> No.11670067

>>11668627
That isn't autism, that's just being a hipster.

>> No.11670239

>>11638407
This

>> No.11670251

>>11670239
Nonsense. Fascism is the antithesis of autistic thinking.

>> No.11670383

>>11643459
Imageboards as they are now wouldn't be nearly as popular.

>> No.11671749

>>11669103
>There is a huge difference between productively autistic and debilitatingly autistic.
I am aware of that. My question was how you eliminate the debilitating traits without eliminating the desirable ones.

>> No.11671884

>>11671749
The difference may not even be genetic, but from getting abused more.

>> No.11672174

>>11671749
Selective breeding has worked for billions of years.

>>11671884
People born severely autistic are obviously broken at only a couple years old.

>> No.11672209

>>11672174
Children can be abused/neglected since birth.

>> No.11672223

>>11638294
Functuonal cultists or schizos can have extraordinary mental abilities and most people probably already have them to some degree.

>> No.11673042

>>11672223
>most people probably already have them to some degree
I heard of experiments of induced autism and savant features using extremely strong magnetic fields. Controllable skill sets from these fields would be handy.

>> No.11673058

>>11641119
>without risk of disease
why am i continuously reminded that no one on this site knows anything about genetics

>> No.11673233

>>11668876
No one's saying the camps didn't exist. But I am saying initial reports don't add up to the now accepted story. And with so few unbiased witnesses, it's hard to confirm.

Personally, considering so much money is involved ($billions per year hinge on this event), it's hard for me to believe no ones schmoozing the numbers/story. Humans gonna human, ya know?

>> No.11673267

>>11666251
Unethical because that person is not born yet. You cannot cure a perspective child from a condition, even if know with high certainty that it will be born with that condition (and may suffer from it), because that person is simply not alive. Therapy is reserved for managing existing conditions. Curing is also subjective highly anyway and could also be used for non-medical purposes.

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>>11638294
>Should we use Crispr to cure aging or no?

Absolutely

>> No.11673620

>>11667567
>my options to ensure my child the best chance at life compared to others would be to get the gene removed
you could say that for most things you do for your kid.
>The illusion of choice
this is your problem with it? it would be social enforced and you don't feel like you would have a choice? ok, wanting a choice does make sense
>I wouldn’t
And your solution to this is to make it so that noone could choose? You would trade a potential socially enforced choice for a state mandated choice? Choice does not seem to be the issue you have with it

> youre under some impression that autism is a horrible disorder that fucks you for life
then you haven't had to deal with someone whose autism is severe, not everyone is so lucky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwlexeNTles

>> No.11674280 [DELETED] 

>>11673620
>then you haven't had to deal with someone whose autism is severe, not everyone is so lucky
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwlexeNTles [Open]
The parents are psychopaths. They don't understand when they hurt their child, the child feels hurt. And they misread fear for anger.

>> No.11674294 [DELETED] 

>>11673620
>then you haven't had to deal with someone whose autism is severe, not everyone is so lucky
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwlexeNTles[Open] [Open]
The parents are psychopaths. They don't understand when they hurt their child, the child feels hurt. And they misread fear for anger, so they keep beating children for fearing them. Add some drugs and you get child like that. It's the result of humanly incomprehensible abuse, not a disorder.

>> No.11674320 [DELETED] 

>>11673620
>then you haven't had to deal with someone whose autism is severe, not everyone is so lucky
The parents are psychopaths. They don't understand when they hurt their child, the child feels hurt. And they misread fear for anger, so they keep beating children for fearing them. Add some drugs and you get a child like that. On top of that, they may not understand children need to learn to speak, (or the need for learning learn in general) or they may beat them when they annoy them by speaking poorly. (Hence the 'regressions') It's the result of humanly incomprehensible abuse, not a disorder.

>> No.11674327

>>11673620
>>11673620#
>then you haven't had to deal with someone whose autism is severe, not everyone is so lucky
The parents are psychopaths. They don't understand when they hurt their child, the child feels hurt. And they misread fear for anger, so they keep beating children for fearing them. Add some drugs and you get a child like that. On top of that, they may not understand children need to learn to speak, (or the need for learning in general; many will catch up and learn to speak once taken away from their parents and exposed to other people) or they may beat them when they annoy them by speaking poorly. (Hence the 'regressions') It's the result of humanly incomprehensible abuse, not a disorder.

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>>11673058
Sure? For all the noise in here, I am often surprised what knowledgeable people are here too.
As for what the US military is looking for, pic. related.

>> No.11675018

>>11639753
>>11638894
There's more than one kind of dwarf, d'oh!

>> No.11675027 [DELETED] 

>>11674327
some autistic children can't even speak https://www.healthline.com/health/autism/nonverbal-autism#symptoms

accept that you have a disorder not a superpower

>> No.11675029

>>11674327
40% of autistic children can't even speak https://www.healthline.com/health/autism/nonverbal-autism#symptoms

accept that you have a disorder not a superpower

>> No.11675044

>>11675029
The only measurable difference is the extra systemizing. All the defects are environmental. (or misdiagnoses)

>> No.11675335

>>11638294
Cures don't exist. The DNA would be "repaired" eventually. You cannot destroy data.

>> No.11675617

>>11675029
>accept that you have a disorder not a superpower
It is a spectrum. It is the functioning end of the spectrum that is important and that one anon thought we could refine, somehow.

>> No.11675694

>>11675617
The more severely autistic would likely be more functional in the society of mild autists. Similar to how very mild autism makes you BPD, then high functioning, then low functioning. Soif the BPD level of autism would be average, the now high functioning would have just BPD, and many low functioning may become high functioning. Some may be real defects, but that's impossible to sort out before we try.

>> No.11675711

>>11675617
Well giving them hugs and kisses isn't the way to raise them, or else you get Chris Chan replicas. The best way to raise an autist that can still function in a basic way is to make them learn that the world is a hard place to live in, and to work with it.

>> No.11675714

>>11638439

>empathic traits are maladaptive

empathy and the ability to cooperate are literally humanity's superpower; the thing that differentiates us from the other animals.

because it doesn't matter how smart you are; you can't build a space shuttle, govern a city, or invent agriculture all by yourself. all those activities require cooperation. the history of the development of human civilization is the history of a progressively networked species. even contemporary scientific research is impossible without teams, and the reason project managers exist is that somebody literally needs to do all the cooperative human-ing so the researchers can focus on their work.

>> No.11675805

>>11639796
this

>> No.11675841

>>11675694
>Similar to how very mild autism makes you BPD
I have never heard this before. Source?
I see people try to make autism overlap with all sorts of things including ADHD but I suspect someone is trying to sell more medicines to a new market.

>> No.11676034

>>11675841
He's utilizing the scientific method. He knows he's ending with a failed hypothesis.

>> No.11676060

I'm going to use crispr to turn my unborn children into superhumans.
There's nothing you can do to stop me.
Get fucked losers.

>> No.11676123

>>11675841
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5590952/

>> No.11677053

>>11676123
Did you even attempt to read it or was this the first you found when you hit Google? Had you read it, you would have seen this:
>This article has been corrected. See PLoS One. 2018 January 2; 13(1): e0190727.

This is /sci/ and you should have realised there are more fundamental issues with this article.

>> No.11677139

>>11638306
>noooo we furries are just enthusiats
>nooooo we are not zoophiles
>noooo we dont want to become animals
Unironically, kill all:
Faggots
Trannies
Niggers
Pedophiles
Communists
Marxists
Antifa
Zionists

>> No.11677144

>>11638298
Because they oppose anything that improves lifestyle and morale and the ultimate goal of any Marxist
>noooo im not a marxist im an anarkist
is to destroy society. Literally just read the communist manifesto and other marxists such as Gramsci or Marcuse. If there’s any form of good and evil in this world, Marxist is surely the latter
>inb4 duuurrrr back to /pol/
You won’t ever pass, tranny

>> No.11677146

>>11638294
It's worth a try. What other cures are there?

>> No.11677173

>>11638422
same as with any other tool, all sorts of groups will try to prove the tool is evil because of one way it could be used

>> No.11677376

>>11677139
Zoophilia is based as fuck.

>> No.11678102

>>11677053
Did you read it?
>There is an error in the first sentence of the Results section of the Abstract. The correct sentence is: On the AQ, the comorbid group scored higher than the ASC group, who in turn scored higher than the BPD group, who scored higher than controls.

>> No.11678129

>>11677144
The point of marxism is to prevent people from improving their lifestyle at the expense of others. Capitalism only leads to suffering and death.

>> No.11678448

>>11651043
but it's even if you count the question-mark as part of the word. This sentence ends in a word with an uneven number of characters if you count the period.