/sfg/ Space Flight General

[Anonymous No.11620817]

It's happening - Starship wins Human Lunar Lander

>>11617722

[Anonymous No.11620863]

>>11620817

[Anonymous No.11620870]

>>11620863
why are two of the engines red?

[Anonymous No.11620872]

>>11620870
red wunz go fasta

[Anonymous No.11620883]

>>11620817
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04/nasa-awards-lunar-lander-contracts-to-blue-origin-dynetics-and-starship/

Berger article is up

>Bridenstine on SpaceX: "They have a design here that, if successful, is going to be transformational. It’s going to drive down costs and ... enable commercial activities that historically we’ve only dreamed about. I fully believe that Elon Musk is going to be successful."

[Anonymous No.11620896]

>>11620863
notice that maneuvering thrusters are apparently used for lunar landing, not Raptors..

[Anonymous No.11620926]

>>11620817
We are just on page 6 with old thread, you fag

[Anonymous No.11620938]

Its confirmed. Corona is a NOTHINGBURGER

[Anonymous No.11620952]

>>11620896
Just noticed that there is a glow on one of the vaccum nozzle and one sea level nozzle. I never have thought of that. Will they use it like that?

[Anonymous No.11620958]

>>11620863

[Anonymous No.11620962]

NOOOOOO ELON YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE

[Anonymous No.11620973]

>SCALE

[Anonymous No.11620983]

• $579 million to the Blue Origin team
• $253 million to the Dynetics-led team
• $135 million to SpaceX

[Anonymous No.11620999]

Live on nasa tv : Atlantic reporter asking about Elon tweets
Gets told "wrong press conference" lol

[Anonymous No.11621009]

>>11620999
LMAO. Shitty click bait journos get BTFO

[Anonymous No.11621015]

>>11620817
But what happened to the panoramic windows, what a bald fraud

[Anonymous No.11621020]

>>11621015
This is going for nasa crew certification

The moon flyby tourist version can be dangerous

[Anonymous No.11621021]

I like the solar bunny ears on the Dynetics lander.

[Anonymous No.11621024]

>>11620999
Although I disagree with him about his tweeted.
But he's right this is wrong place, if you want to ask him just tweeted to him.

[Anonymous No.11621028]

>>11621020
ah didnt realise they had to change stuff up for nasa

[Anonymous No.11621041]

>>11621028
Yeah it doesn't have a heat shield or control surfaces because it won't be landing on earth. It's a specialized variant of starship.

Not sure what the deal is with the white paintjob and >>11620958 though

[Anonymous No.11621076]

>>11620983
Why the disparity?

[Anonymous No.11621084]

>>11620817
Idk man something feels wrong about abandoning a Starship in space for all eternity. I know it's "reusable" but she'll never be able to return to Earth.

[Anonymous No.11621085]

>>11621076
BO team is basically three stage lander as originally proposed for Artemis, so it is kinda the default option.

[Anonymous No.11621087]

>>11621076
Subcontractors. National team is expensive due to lack of vertical integration and has the highest chance, so they're favored a bit. Dynetics is expensive due to subcontractors + require launch from SLS/Vulcan. Starship is least expensive as its how the vehicle is designed.

[Anonymous No.11621088]

>>11621084
So how do the astronauts get back lol

[Anonymous No.11621089]

>>11621084
Actually I think dedicated Starships optimized for vacuum only operation are a great idea.

[Anonymous No.11621092]

>>11621088
Orion probably

[Anonymous No.11621098]

>>11621021
>moon rabbit
Usagi!

[Anonymous No.11621100]

>>11621088
>>11621087
>>11621085
Cool yea, thanks.

[Anonymous No.11621106]

>>11621084
Just reuse it for lunar lifting until it's flying days are over, then wet-workshop it into a new habitat on the moon.

[Anonymous No.11621144]

>>11621089
Imagine a Starship ferry from earth orbit to moon/mars. They can launch fuel d*pot to earth leo station, then use the fuel for second Starship that will never land on earth but on Moon or park in LEO. They can have option of transferring crew to Earth's ISS or to Moon's Gateway station.

[Anonymous No.11621148]

>>11621084
Elon has said that the first Starships to land on Mars for colonization aren't coming back because they're more useful as buildings on the ground.

[Anonymous No.11621176]

https://www.dynetics.com/newsroom/news/2020/dynetics-to-develop-nasas-artemis-human-lunar-landing-system

>The system's crew module is designed to accommodate two crew members for nominal missions from lunar orbit to the lunar surface and back, including surface habitation for about a week. Alternatively, it can ferry up to four suited crew members to or from the lunar surface.

>The Dynetics HLS can be fully integrated and launched on the Space Launch System (SLS) Block 1B vehicle. For commercial launches, it can be flown aboard United Launch Alliance's Vulcan Centaur rocket.

I am actually beginning to like the Dynetics proposal more, as it is not a convoluted three stage mess like BO one.

[Anonymous No.11621181]

>>11621167
How would you feel about climbing a mountain to get sunlight in absolute darkness. No penumbra. Pure Darkness.
Lunar crater are no joke, especially in polar regions.
The rims are kilometers high.

[Anonymous No.11621184]

>>11621176
Dynetics proposal is barebone and can't carry anything else but 2 people. Blue Origin can carry few people + few cargo. Starship can carry Dynetics proposal, Blue Origin proposal, SpaceX Moontruck, dozens of people then some.

[Anonymous No.11621186]

>>11621148
Well that's a given anyway because you have to make methane on mars to send them back

[Anonymous No.11621196]

>>11621181
>The rims are kilometers high.
Have a cliff side base, then you would only have to climb a hundred meters at worst.

[Anonymous No.11621206]

Crew Starship is female only being able to get fucked

Tanker starship is futa hermaprhodite, being able to fuck and be fucked.

Expected functioning is that the Female crew starship (big busty and thic go to orbit and start to wiggle its ass seductively

Then wave after wave of stainless steel futa (also thicc) busty tanker starships will take turns fucking and creamping her until shes literally filled to the brim.

then she will pussyfart that shit all the way into mars.

hot
as
hell

[Anonymous No.11621210]

Now that’s a stack

[Anonymous No.11621212]

>>11621206

[Anonymous No.11621213]

>all contractors had a demo video except spacex

Maybe if they saw orion dock with starship people would start asking questions

[Anonymous No.11621216]

>>11621088
You could use capsules. Just install a normal sized airlock in the side or the nose or something and have a couple capsule flights shuttle people off it. It's essentially a single-piece space station anyways so it's not like the people aboard will starve or suffocate or anything if they have to leave in shifts. Capsules like the Orion and Dragon will have crew capacities of 6 and 7 max, if you fly 5 people on each with their personal effects you could crew a Moon Starship with 20 people using only four capsule flights. If you do them back to back it probably wouldn't take more than a week to get them all settled in. That ought to be reasonable.
>>11621181
You'd want to install a cable lift, it can be very barebones since the gravity is so low, electricity collected by solar panels at the rim of the crater can power it.

[Anonymous No.11621218]

>>11620870
They're still cooling after a descent burn.

[Anonymous No.11621220]

>>11621176
I've been trying to get a sense on BO's lander concept since the previous thread. Is this right?
>Orion is in high lunar orbit
>Transfer element brings crew from Orion to the Ascent/Descent elements
>Transfer elements maintains a low lunar orbit while crew is on surface
>Ascent element leaves surface, meets up with Transfer element
>Transfer element brings crew back to Orion
It kinda made sense when it was supposed to go back and forth from Gateway, but does Orion not have enough fuel to dock with the Ascent/Descent element in low lunar orbit by itself?

[Anonymous No.11621227]

>>11621213
Tag: Size Difference

[Anonymous No.11621229]

>>11621227
The anons pointing out what crazy shit you can do with Starship cargo runs and inflatable habs are better station designers than oldspace at this point. What a joke.

[Anonymous No.11621232]

>>11621227
>Size Difference, Femdom, Penis Humiliation, NTR, Giantess

[Anonymous No.11621233]

>>11621212
Shit, posted the wrong one.

[Anonymous No.11621237]

>>11621232
>NTR
Nuclear thermal rocket?

[Anonymous No.11621242]

>>11621229
Anyone can come up with ideas.

[Anonymous No.11621243]

>>11621041
It's to assuage NASA's concerns about giant landing craters in the regolith being dug out by Raptor. The renders seem to suggest that the beefy RCS will be used to do the final touchdown.
I imagine Raptors will be used until about a km above the surface, bringing relative velocity to zero or a little above, and then the RCS thrusters will manage the descent.

[Anonymous No.11621245]

>>11621232
>#ddxlg #daddydom

[Anonymous No.11621247]

>>11621237
Netorare, because Orion is getting fucking cucked.

[Anonymous No.11621248]

>>11620973
I would use a ladder

[Anonymous No.11621251]

>>11621247
Not really...

[Anonymous No.11621255]

>>11621233

[Anonymous No.11621257]

>>11621247
Orion is for getting there and back again, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.11621260]

>>11621098
Moon rabbit indeed.
>Too bad moon rabbits are for bully.

[Anonymous No.11621261]

>>11621227
>>11621229
>Be Gateway astronaut
>Station is cramped
>Barely any privacy
>At least they didn't delete the toilets to save on mass
>Starship resupply mission docks with the station for the first time
>Hear muffled mariachi music through the docking port
>The two Starship pilots greet me and invite me into their ship
>Comfy brightly colored carpet everywhere
>4K Ultra HD 43" TV playing SG-1
>A full sized fridge full of high quality burritos
>They're the only two here but they live like kings inside
>mrw

[Anonymous No.11621264]

Here's one to scale

[Anonymous No.11621265]

>>11621181
>All craters are the same size

[Anonymous No.11621266]

>>11621264
I can almost see the sweat beading on Bezos's skull from here.

[Anonymous No.11621269]

>>11620741
>>11621164
>Whats this business about minimum number of satellites and why does the FCC demand it
They had something like a 5 year deadline to launch 5000 or so satellites in order to maintain their license to run the constellation.
Really it's just to keep them honest, to not launch a paltry few and abandon them... like a certain other company just did. If they got like 3000 up by then and were still on the increase and had a lot of customers on the ground, the only thing stopping them would be someone in DC with a bug up his arse to kill SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.11621270]

>>11621264
Its also not really to scale, Starship is even BIGGER.

[Anonymous No.11621271]

>>11621181
>absolute darkness. No penumbra. Pure Darkness.
Zero light pollution and atmosphere to interfere with starlight. The stars are enough to see by at night on Earth if you're in the right conditions, even without the moon. Toss in some helmet-integrated night vision systems and you're golden.

[Anonymous No.11621273]

>>11621251
>>11621257
>Tiny chestlet wife drives back and forth to work each day only to find that her husband has been sleeping with a much better endowed woman 24/7.
Face it, Orion is completely cucked by Starship, she even needs a separate SPS just to reach the moon.

[Anonymous No.11621278]

>>11620883
colossal if correct

[Anonymous No.11621283]

>>11620883
>it begins

[Anonymous No.11621285]

Why is NASA going back to the moon? I thought the aim was mars?

[Anonymous No.11621287]

>>11621271
>Helmet integrated NVGs.
Based, Lunar operating when?

[Anonymous No.11621294]

>>11621285
We want practice building bases on other celestial bodies where the iteration time is three days instead of three months and the window from Florida is every day.

[Anonymous No.11621296]

>>11621285
waiting for mars windows is a bitch. Moon is always there.

[Anonymous No.11621300]

>>11620883
>"I fully believe that Elon Musk is going to be successful."
>mrw
How would oldspace recover from this?

[Anonymous No.11621301]

Well that's boring. There's not enough details here.
>1 Consistent with the evaluation methodology provided within the HLS solicitation,I removed Boeing and Vivace from further
consideration for award earlier in the source selection process.

[Anonymous No.11621305]

>>11621294
Why not antarctica?

[Anonymous No.11621308]

>>11621300
Either by pouring gorillions of dollars into 9m+ diameter fully reusable rockets or filing for bankruptcy.

>>11621305
We've already done that and it doesn't teach us jack shit about doing it without an atmosphere or in orbit.

[Anonymous No.11621310]

>>11621305
Let me know when we can study low gravity in Antarctica.

[Anonymous No.11621311]

>>11621305
Because base building in of itself is well understood on Earth. The largest limiter of space industry is the launch and post-launch technology, and that's not going to be refined if we stick to comsats and small probes. We need a big reason to go out there to get this technology worked out.

[Anonymous No.11621312]

>>11621301
>I'm sorry Boing! but I have to remove you from existence, it's for the greater good of the space industry.
>*Snap*
>Mister Bridenstine I don't feel so good...

[Anonymous No.11621313]

>>11621269
>They had something like a 5 year deadline to launch 5000 or so satellites in order to maintain their license to run the constellation.
Man, that's no issue even if all they're flying is F9. That's 17 launches a year, they're almost on track to do it this year and they're only getting started.

[Anonymous No.11621314]

>>11621310
Easy, the earths gravity comes from spinning, so if you just work at the very end of the pole you should be a lot lighter

[Anonymous No.11621315]

>>11621305
antartica is a fucking bureaucratic nightmare to do anything with due to overlapping territory claims and treaties you absolute retard.

[Anonymous No.11621325]

>>11620883
Old space is absolutely incapable of recovering.
Old space is dead, long live new space.

[Anonymous No.11621326]

>>11621315
and just what navy would be sent to stop the USA lmao

[Anonymous No.11621328]

>>11621314
this would be super cool if it were real

[Anonymous No.11621331]

>>11621326
You could say the same thing about us annexing Saudi Arabia's oil supply anon-who could stop us? And yet, it doesn't happen. Life is more complicated than just "the strong take what they want".

[Anonymous No.11621337]

>>11621285
The aim is first woman on the moon. Because IT'S HER TURN.
That and more pork for Congress when the public finally catches on to the Scam Launch System.

[Anonymous No.11621344]

>>11621301
The source selection statement also gives these juicy things to look forward to:
>Because the base Starship design serves both HLS and SpaceX’s commercial launch purposes, SpaceX asserts that many of itsHLS systems will be demonstrated many times on operational missions prior to the 2024 HLS mission. Examples of such demonstration activitiesinclude a low-Earth orbital flight of Starship with a
demonstration of SpaceX’s Super Heavy launch vehicle, a re-flight of the Starship, a long-duration orbital flight, a beyond-LEO flight, and a lunar landing demonstration mission scheduled for 2022.

[Anonymous No.11621345]

>>11621285
NASA has been flip flopping between Mars and the moon for the past couple of decades and it happened to be on "moon mode" when Trump finally locked it down on a set course.

[Anonymous No.11621360]

>>11621314
>the Earth's gravity comes from spinning
Is this bait or... ?

[Anonymous No.11621363]

The CHAD Dynetics

[Anonymous No.11621364]

>>11621308
>Either by pouring gorillions of dollars into 9m+ diameter fully reusable rockets or filing for bankruptcy.
As cool as it would be if the former were to happen, the latter seems to be the most likely. They'll also probably try their hardest to delay the new push to space (Kessler syndrome scares maybe?) so that they stay relevant.

[Anonymous No.11621365]

>>11621331
Life is complicated when all you can do is make stupid analogies

A slice of antarctica isn't claimed at all and other countries would cooperate because the treaties only stipulate it be used for science we all benefit from. The operation sites you'd want are too extreme for animals. The only reason we're not doing it as others have said is it doesn't simulate as many factors as the moon, and moon bases themselves lead to useful things.

Oh wait, you'd probably bitch and say we can't mine rare metals from the moon either because of bureaucracy and countries with no space programs whining, and the moon is saudi arabia or something.

[Anonymous No.11621368]

>>11621363
pdf/paper source?

[Anonymous No.11621369]

>>11621368
https://beta.sam.gov/api/prod/opps/v3/opportunities/resources/files/3488c1f1556745cb87c046135d8ffe00/download?api_key=null&token=

[Anonymous No.11621375]

>>11621369
>Boeing
>Not even gonna fucking rate
What the fuck are they doing these days? Sending them KSP savefiles as proposals?

[Anonymous No.11621379]

Fucking the Moon

***MARS IS ETERNAL***

[Anonymous No.11621382]

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA69Oh3_obY
Numale SLS v Starship vid here.

[Anonymous No.11621387]

>>11621375
The Vivance one is literally just a ripoff of Altair

[Anonymous No.11621390]

>>11621375
Probably not KSP. It'll be a Boeing propriety simulator that they'll charge NASA to install it.

[Anonymous No.11621391]

>>11621375
Diversity hires plus prioritizing profits over engineering equals dead company every single time on a long enough timescale.

[Anonymous No.11621395]

>>11621379
until we can defeat Mars launch windows with magical engines, the moon will be the champ. Imagine some critical problem happens at the Mars colony, but we just missed the launch window and have to wait and watch everyone die because we simply do not have the technology.

[Anonymous No.11621397]

>>11621375
My guess is that the Max 8 debacle and getting close to bankruptcy is making Boeing reconsider it's priorities. Its commercial aviation is the primary source of income for them instead of space flight. So, backing out of space flight to save on funds for commercial aviation seems like a logical course of action.

[Anonymous No.11621406]

>>11621345
Starship is also for Mars

[Anonymous No.11621418]

>>11621406
Elon has also said it could reach Saturn. With an unmanned version I can see that. Imagine a cargo Starship sent to each of the gas giants vomiting orbiters for the planet, rings, and each major moon before landing on the biggest one and sending out a rover.
>American flags on Ganymede, Titan, Titania, and Triton within a decade

[Anonymous No.11621421]

Does anyone remember the name of that meme startup that is working on making orbital manufacturing with big factories and shit in space? They have some slick videos, but very little in the way of substance. I've seen /sfg/ link their stuff a few times but never saved them.

[Anonymous No.11621428]

>>11621418
>>American flags on Ganymede, Titan, Titania, and Triton within a decade
Based and manifest destiny-pilled.

>>11621421
You mean the Gateway Foundation?

[Anonymous No.11621432]

>>11621391
Its not even that, its just Boeing got infected by the McDonnell Douglas middle manager and executive autism that cuts everything that isn't sales or lobbying.

Some diversity hiring are good just by the fact they prevent too much of a singular socio/cultural/economics groups ingrained autism from reaching critical mass and causing bigger institutional flaws in a company. Don't get me wrong skill and quals do matter as a foundational part of a good hire, but using diversity as a desirable factor can help an org's operations in the long term.

[Anonymous No.11621433]

>>11621421
this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIrH01N9AsE

[Anonymous No.11621456]

>>11621397
and a lot of the worldwide commercial aviation market has also just tanked

[Anonymous No.11621457]

>>11621433
that's cool, but it's the pinnacle of meme-tech that will never happen

[Anonymous No.11621464]

>>11621457
I wouldn't say that—autonomous builder robots have to happen at some point and that concept is as realistic as any at this point. We're definitely not very close, though.

[Anonymous No.11621468]

>>11621457
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDk4ebUnTm4

[Anonymous No.11621478]

>>11621468
those aren't made of cubes that interlock though. just a traditional uni-task robot

[Anonymous No.11621501]

>>11621084
Leave it on the lunar surface as a monument or useful building. Can't wait for Starship to take an Apollo lander to a museum on the Moon.

[Anonymous No.11621508]

so if the US has a permanent base on the moon and decides to go steal China's moon rover and not give it back, is there anything they could do about it?

[Anonymous No.11621513]

>>11621501
>take an Apollo lander to a museum on the Moon
Why? Just build your Museum next to Eagle base and let tourists actually go out and explore the site with everything intact and as it was. Maybe put up a new flag or and remove the shit bags, but otherwise the sites themselves should be the monuments.

[Anonymous No.11621521]

>>11621508
So if the US has a permanent base in the Pacific and decides to go steal one of China's boats, is there anything they could do about it?

[Anonymous No.11621523]

>>11621501
No need to, the Moon is stable enough to be a museum itself.
Maybe a cover for micrometeorites, the rest can stay where it is.

[Anonymous No.11621525]

>>11621521
that's different—a dead lunar rover is discarded trash. China was just littering on the moon, just like we did with Apollo.

[Anonymous No.11621528]

>>11621508
>is there anything they could do about it?
On Earth? China would take up a more aggressive stance internationally against the US until the situation is resulved.

In space? Nothing. Right now space is pretty lawless. Once the spacecraft is up there it can do whatever the controller wants with the only thing stopping it is the DeltaV budget.

[Anonymous No.11621534]

>>11620958
>>11620870
people are thinking that they might be doing this so that it doesn't dig itself a hole in the ground using its exhaust

[Anonymous No.11621542]

>>11621528
>Once the spacecraft is up there it can do whatever the controller wants with the only thing stopping it is the DeltaV budget
Unless you use gravity assist maneuvers and aerobraking.

[Anonymous No.11621544]

>>11621508
>>11621521
The answer to both is no, now that ABM tech works.

[Anonymous No.11621555]

>>11621542
That counts towards the DeltaV budget.

[Anonymous No.11621560]

>>11621544
I don't see why the law of salvage doesn't still apply just because it's space

[Anonymous No.11621575]

>>11621528
I don't know why sometimes people act like on-the-ground politicking stops mattering the second the action moves off-planet. As long as you're connected to a primary entity planetside, everyone has to play by the rules. For instance, China is just as capable of leveraging economic threats over space actions as they are terrestrial ones.

[Anonymous No.11621584]

>>11621575
>I don't know why sometimes people act like on-the-ground politicking stops mattering the second the action moves off-planet.
Talk to India about their ASAT test last year.

[Anonymous No.11621589]

>>11621513
>>11621523
I was thinking of bringing over an intact ascent stage as well. After the crew transitioned back to the command module, the ascent stage was jettisoned to re-impact the Moon.
There also might be benefits in having a walkable location that collects and displays artifacts, in addition to everything scattered around the lunar surface.

[Anonymous No.11621593]

>>11621337
A first is a first
t. Soviets

[Anonymous No.11621597]

>>11621337
>Because IT'S HER TURN
Hope the mission to mars gets rid of this shit. Have two crew members, one male and one female, hold hands and step out at the same time so stupid identity politics isn't a focus.

[Anonymous No.11621599]

>>11621584
What about it? You do realize everyone in the position to actually pressure them about that had already done the same thing, right? Not a lot of incentive to put pressure on when it's just going to dredge up your past of pulling the same shit. I don't think you know what politicking is.

[Anonymous No.11621602]

>>11621597
>hold hands and step out at the same time so stupid identity politics isn't a focus.
that would make identity politics the focus. The commander steps out first.

[Anonymous No.11621603]

>>11621597
>one male and one female
Wow! Did you just ignore the other 70 genders?

[Anonymous No.11621605]

>>11621560
In terms of law, the Outer Space Treaty says
>A State Party to the Treaty on whose registry an object launched into outer space is carried shall retain jurisdiction and control over such object, and over any personnel thereof, while in outer space or on a celestial body. Ownership of objects launched into outer space, including objects landed or constructed on a celestial body, and of their component parts, is not affected by their presence in outer space or on a celestial body or by their return to the Earth. Such objects or component parts found beyond the limits of the State Party of the Treaty on whose registry they are carried shall be returned to that State Party, which shall, upon request, furnish identifying data prior to their return.

[Anonymous No.11621606]

>>11621599
On top of that, White House wants Indian military to be more developed. Literally, India needs more development aid in their military/economic industry to counter China's threat. That is why White House rebuked Jim's letter/complain about India's ASAT test.

[Anonymous No.11621615]

[Anonymous No.11621616]

>>11621428
You can't stick a flag on something unless you've set foot on it.

[Anonymous No.11621617]

>>11621575
>For instance, China is just as capable of leveraging economic threats over space actions as they are terrestrial ones.
So not at all anymore, lmao. Chinese Bat AIDS flushed all their soft power straight down the crapper.

[Anonymous No.11621620]

>>11621617
I mean I want to agree but it still works on Trump, so

[Anonymous No.11621621]

>>11621544
>ABM tech works
umm sweaty...

[Anonymous No.11621624]

>>11621337
Imagine the rage if spacex put a dog in their landing demonstrator

[Anonymous No.11621627]

>>11621620
Lurk more.

[Anonymous No.11621629]

If you were to build a bio dome on Mars with an artificial lake, would the water level be higher than the same lake on earth due to lower gravity and air pressure in the dome?
This is assuming the same amount of water is in each

[Anonymous No.11621630]

>>11621615
The SLS looks smaller than I thought it would.

[Anonymous No.11621631]

>>11621575
>As long as you're connected to a primary entity planetside, everyone has to play by the rules.
I can't fucking wait to be the head of a nuclear-capable sovereign lunar corporation

[Anonymous No.11621633]

>>11621624
While I also think that "first woman on the moon" is just a feel good thing and not actually relevant to anything, all the butthurt over it is kind of incel-tier. It's irrelevance goes both ways; it won't affect the mission.

[Anonymous No.11621635]

>>11621627
Been around longer than you have, sweetheart

[Anonymous No.11621636]

>>11621615
>>11621630
The virgin painted tank vs the CHAD unpainted orange, the weight of the extra paint is making the former stoop.

[Anonymous No.11621637]

>>11621624
>Dog, mare and Elon’s waifubot all land on Moon and Mars before woman does
>Pink feminist wojak.jpeg

[Anonymous No.11621639]

>>11621631
nukes in space are banned

[Anonymous No.11621640]

>>11621605
>Implying the US signed that treaty
Space belongs to America

[Anonymous No.11621641]

>>11621639
Once you population and power base is in space, it’s ancapistan from there

[Anonymous No.11621643]

>>11621636
>SLS is real

[Anonymous No.11621650]

>>11621629

[Anonymous No.11621653]

>>11621641
If you look at any colony ever you'd see that you can't just stick two fingers up to your overseas rulers without expecting troops to come and depose you.

[Anonymous No.11621656]

>>11621468
I want to go to those dirt labs just to ask if they've ever sent someone in there with a space suit and shovel

[Anonymous No.11621657]

>>11621637
They asked for diversity, they diversity. Just not THEIR diversity.

[Anonymous No.11621661]

>>11621641
The second there's a self sustaining populace with the ability to produce their own rockets, all off Earth, terran hegemony is dead.

[Anonymous No.11621664]

>>11621629
No. Water has the same density on Earth and Mars

[Anonymous No.11621668]

>>11621640
Bingo. Also IIRC the Gateway station will have bits from our usual space partners - Canada, Japan, Europe, and Russia.

>>11621653
That's why the US is the only major country that will be able to have peaceful offworld colonization. The 10th Amendment means that colonial government has a ton of leeway on everything except transportation to/from Earth since very little else is "interstate commerce," and calling our leaders incompetent dickwads to their faces is a national pastime.

[Anonymous No.11621670]

>>11621661
Earth can make more rockets....
These escapist sci-fi fantasies are becoming grating.

[Anonymous No.11621673]

>>11621639
The ΔV Corporation is not party to any Earth treaty, nor is it registered in or beholden to the laws of any Earth state.
Eat my ass, United Nations. A picture of my testicles is attached for your consideration.

[Anonymous No.11621679]

>>11621640
It did, but that doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.11621680]

>>11621640
The US did, and the US has a lot more space assets (read: vulnerabilities should that break down) than anyone.
The US didn't sign the Moon Treaty, because the Moon Treaty is a joke.

[Anonymous No.11621682]

>>11621670
But when interplanetary travel becomes common, you can drop masses on places that make Tsar Bomba look like an absolute joke
Martians could jack an asteroid and drop it in the ocean and drown Earthkikes in a 100 ft tsunami

[Anonymous No.11621686]

>>11621633
I think it's a symptom of the fear that nasa has transitioned from an organization that's driven, risk taking, and results oriented to an organization that's aspirational and symbolic.

[Anonymous No.11621689]

>>11620952
Use the more efficient and powerful Raptor engines in a balanced configuration to slow down form orbital velocity, then switch them off and fire up the landing thrusters for final approach and touch down.

[Anonymous No.11621691]

>>11621670
>....
Remove thine boomerspeke. Ellipses are almost never necessary.
Lunar manufacturing at scale will dwarf Earth's mass-to-orbit abilities. For fuck's sake, space elevators are possible on the moon with existing materials. Earth cannot compete.

[Anonymous No.11621692]

>>11621670
Earth is a garbage backwater as far as launching large masses into orbit. A small dedicated populace would easily outcompete it. Your competition would be Earth proxies operating in parallel, not gravity well cucks.

[Anonymous No.11621694]

>>11620962

[Anonymous No.11621696]

>>11621686
That happened in the Shuttle years, fampai. We had dozens of "First X in space" for riding on our LEO spaceplane.

[Anonymous No.11621698]

>>11620863

[Anonymous No.11621701]

>>11621181
>implying the lit up mountaintops wouldn't be scattering enough light into the crater to make the entire thing visible

[Anonymous No.11621704]

>>11621365
Except countries have claimed parts of Antarctica. The only country who is aggressive about it however is Chile and even they temper it to avoid pissing off other countries.

[Anonymous No.11621706]

>>11621593
What are you talking about? No woman has been on the moon, and no Soviet (or Russian) has been on the moon, woman or not. Sure, they got a woman into orbit first, and they got the first beeping satellite and human up there too, but not the moon.

[Anonymous No.11621707]

>>11621243
Why even bother with a kilometer, surface impingement won't be noticeable until the final few dozen meters, may as well switch to thrusters off of main engines while 150 meters up

[Anonymous No.11621710]

The ABSOLUTE state of Earther "people" coping with their complete inferiority to spacechads. Enjoy being at the back of the bread line while spacechads jet around in their deregulated atomic torchships.

[Anonymous No.11621714]

>>11621710
Nice bone density, faggot.

[Anonymous No.11621715]

>>11621668
The rest of the world isn't all a totalitarian hellhole. I can wear a Fuck The Queen t-shirt outside.

[Anonymous No.11621718]

>>11621285
Why do one when you can do both, especially if people are willing to pay you for the capability?

[Anonymous No.11621721]

>>11621715
>The rest of the world isn't all a totalitarian hellhole.
By comparison yes it is.

[Anonymous No.11621722]

[Anonymous No.11621723]

>Buzz aldrin comes out as a woman and claims he was the first woman on the moon
>Liberal pack animals are forced to defend him

[Anonymous No.11621725]

>>11621714
t. liftlet

[Anonymous No.11621726]

>>11621707
Just tossed out a wild guess, my dude. You're probably right, though I don't know how paranoid NASA is likely to be.

[Anonymous No.11621728]

>>11621714
thanks man, this artificial gravity station does wonders

[Anonymous No.11621729]

>>11621686
NASA isn't to blame, they are way underfunded and the only thing that can top a moon landing is a Mars landing which they don't have the money for.

[Anonymous No.11621730]

Lmao blue origin couldn't even secure their own lander, and the damn thing is so simple it leaves half its own structure behind like the 70's. It's the Bezos special... get the job done and leave half your money behind.

[Anonymous No.11621732]

>>11621305
If you go to the Moon you validate everything from your launch vehicle to your orbital ops to landing to living in a harsh environment. You also get a robust Moon program out of the deal.
If you go to Antarctica you only learn how to live in a harsh environment, you get nothing else. Also, we literally already have over 1000 people living in Antarctica all year round anyway, so what the hell would some mock missions even tell you? We've already learned every lesson that Antarctica could teach us.

[Anonymous No.11621734]

>>11621710
>>11621714
The virgin Terran
>Complains about overpopulation then throws food at third worlders for being overpopulated
>Profit is God and gladly sacrifices environment, his fellow man and his life for it
>"Muh strong bones" still has osteoporosis
>Descended from slightly clever apes

The chad Martian
>Descended from the best and brightest of Earth and genetically modified into being basically eldar
>Lives in a massive hive city still full of plant and animal life and works for turning the red planet green
>He always has his fellow martian's back and they have his
>Has never seen money in his life
>Women flock to his 6'7" self, still can break a beam with his fist
>Planet named after the god of war, agriculture and masculinity

The wizard Lunan
>Limbs resemble a sickly tree
>Bones crumble to dust just thinking about the concept of gravity
>Has never seen anything living in his unlife
>Descended from cosmonauts blown to the moon by exploding N-1's
>Lives in abandoned soviet and American missile silos and wears only scavenged Apollo space suits
>Subsists on regolith and sunlight
>Pupils so wide from month long darkness he can spot exoplanets and quasars 1000's of lightyears away
>Keeps rovers as pets

[Anonymous No.11621735]

what's the feasibility of drilling a hole straight through the moon? Not through the core, obviously, but you could do a pretty serious angle without any real additional pressure or temperature, right?

[Anonymous No.11621737]

>>11621382
He's cancer but thanks for posting, anon

[Anonymous No.11621739]

>>11621735
It would still put a good bit of pressure on it but you could dig much deeper from lack o fluid mantle and lower gravity
Biggest problems are moonquakes and dust though

[Anonymous No.11621740]

>>11621692
earth has many orders of magnitude more manufacturing capability. By this logic the USA should have crushed the British Navy in both the revolutionary war and war of 1812 because they had more coastline and trees.

[Anonymous No.11621741]

>>11621714
>he doesn't squat 10pl8 before breakfast in the moonbase gym
Get with the times, man. Low-rep high-resistance exercise has basically solved the bone density problem for micro-g.

[Anonymous No.11621742]

>>11621714
Why thank you, living in a rotohab spinning to simulate 1.5g I have developed a physique Earthlets could only dream of.

[Anonymous No.11621745]

>>11621742
1.5g? Brother, I implore you to stop by Gainzstaion 13 for that 3g edge.

[Anonymous No.11621748]

>>11621706
>Sure, they got a woman into orbit first
That was literally my point. You are getting upset over NASA making a big deal over the first woman on the moon, wait till the Chinese actually do it, they'll never let you hear the end of it.

[Anonymous No.11621750]

>>11621428
If the western world doesn't go out and colonize space, China will. Whoever colonizes the solar system has a first mover advantage so extreme that any Earth based civilization basically has no power anymore, mutually assured destruction goes away and the Earth becomes a sitting duck with 100% chances of being defeated in any open war with the space colonies having a 100% chance of winning (once past a certain point of development of course, which is the moment a space colony advances enough to grow on its own).

Do you want the future of humanity to follow western ideals in at least a broad sense? Or are you okay with communist asian bug people dominating the stars and Earth by extension?

[Anonymous No.11621751]

>>11621737
If you can squint through the clouds of estrogen, the videos are really well researched. I like his charts.

[Anonymous No.11621753]

[Anonymous No.11621752]

>>11621745
is this guy real??

[Anonymous No.11621758]

>>11621433
I don't understand that design, wouldn't the drums just dig ditches in front of the rover wheels?

[Anonymous No.11621759]

>>11621382
>>11621737
>>11621751
Wait why does /sci/ hate everyday astronaut?

[Anonymous No.11621760]

>>11621752
Hard to say.

[Anonymous No.11621761]

>>11621753
Nice

[Anonymous No.11621764]

>>11621740
>muh manufacturing capability
Entirely focused at pleasing Earthlings. The actual functional part of Earth's manufacturing is miniscule. Then you take that miniscule part and pair down the relative efficiency of input:output. At that point it becomes a joke. Like I said, you won't even be factoring Earth into the equations, just its off-Earth proxies.

[Anonymous No.11621765]

>>11621759
I don't like how spastic and childish he acts. It makes it look like he's trying way too hard to look excited or "cool" to a younger audience.

[Anonymous No.11621767]

>>11621732
You'd take your prototype mars base and try to build it in your prototype space suits

I've backed off the question though because you could probably execute a lunar ground base without any rehearsal and in the end you have a base on the moon and not a base where you don't need it

[Anonymous No.11621768]

>>11621555
Not really. The only important delta V metric comes from propulsive delta V. You can use aerobraking and gravity assists to reduce vehicle delta V requirements, which is very handy, but apart from including a heat shield designing a vehicle that can do those things is trivial compared to designing a vehicle with more propulsive delta V.

[Anonymous No.11621772]

>>11621629
No, first of all why would you overfill your lake even if gravity and air pressure affected water's density, and secondly those things do not affect water's density.

[Anonymous No.11621773]

>>11621759
He used to be söy in the shape of a human, pretty grating. He's getting better on that. People acknowledge that he makes good content but he can be annoying.

[Anonymous No.11621775]

>>11621721
Hasn't your government been trying to silence Snowden and Assange for years?

[Anonymous No.11621779]

>>11621765
Sadly it's a symptom of trying to make space content that reaches normies. You have to act like you're talking to children.

[Anonymous No.11621781]

>>11621775
Snowden yes, but he got people killed and is a continual national security risk.

[Anonymous No.11621784]

>>11621760
Yeah exactly I thought he was fake until I saw this picture where he could plausibly be real just enhanced in the muscle shots.

[Anonymous No.11621786]

>>11621759
>Wait why does /sci/ hate everyday astronaut?

You're not allowed to like anything or show ubiquitous human good will on 4chan or the reddit inquisition will come

[Anonymous No.11621790]

>>11621779
Why though? Most "normies" aren't kids.

[Anonymous No.11621791]

>>11621775
Yes, unfortunately the US government has become increasingly interested in emulating it's aggressively authoritarian global counterparts. The more we try to be like our political/ethical inferiors the worse our country gets.

[Anonymous No.11621792]

>>11621765
That's all of YouTube though, and I don't think he's that bad compared to others who are literally constantly screaming with their mouths wide open
>>11621779
This is elitist and snobbish but true, you an't expect a guy to discuss full flow staged combustion theory in a dry voice with no jokes and expect to get many views
>>11621773
Nobody on /sci/ looks any better.

[Anonymous No.11621794]

>>11621734
all i see is jellybaby's vs 1G masterrace.

[Anonymous No.11621797]

>>11621790
Modern """education""" has reduced the mental development of your average normie to that of a child. They have normal mental capability but an utter failure of parenting and education has resulted in it remaining completely unused.

[Anonymous No.11621798]

>>11621759
nothing wrong with him as a person he just looks unimpressive and spaceflight is chad territory

[Anonymous No.11621799]

>>11621792
>I don't think he's that bad compared to others who are literally constantly screaming with their mouths wide open
True. Some of the gaming YouTube personalities are far worse, but it's still cringe when it's done in some form.

[Anonymous No.11621802]

>>11621781
If the truth kills people too bad. Regardless of whether he should be punished or not the US reaction was straight up Best Korea-tier. If I remember correctly a US senator openly called for him to be assassinated.

[Anonymous No.11621803]

>>11621790
Physically? No. Functionally? You bet.

[Anonymous No.11621806]

>>11621802
Given the information he leaked it was a proportional response.

[Anonymous No.11621813]

>>11621806
he first went to the agencies asking what information would have gotten people killed, what are you talking about? He did it all as well as he could have

[Anonymous No.11621814]

>>11621798
he's way more chad than everyone here combined, he makes more money off one stream than you do in an entire year, hes well groomed has a nice sense of humour, mantains a lean physique and he works doing what he loves while mantaining other hobbies while doing the crucial task of educating the whole world on science matters, what an alpha chad.

most people here didnt even go to college or if they did it was a shitty college (harvard or yale would laugh if you tried to get in)

[Anonymous No.11621815]

>>11621813
>he first went to the agencies asking what information would have gotten people killed
Snowden did not.

[Anonymous No.11621816]

>>11621806
>Chinese citizen leaks information
>Quietly shot
>"China is totalitarian!"
>American citizen leaks information
>Chased around the globe in an attempt to capture and fry him
>When that fails you pretty much put out a fatwa on the guy
>"USA is the least totalitarian country in the world"

[Anonymous No.11621821]

>>11621816
Yes.

[Anonymous No.11621823]

>>11621760
>there's three of them
Jesus

[Anonymous No.11621824]

>>11621653
Sure, except for Earth weapons to get to colony locations will require massively more effort than vice versa. Any nation on Earth battling any colony would be literally fighting the most lopsided uphill battle ever. A home-grown Moon launch system only needs a gun and a 50% mass ratio maneuvering vehicle to hit any target on Earth with good enough accuracy for tactical nukes, and there'd be no blowback fallout for them to deal with, so they could just as easily fire a single cobalt bomb at whatever aggressive country's capitol city to cripple them with casualties of both the explosion and the ensuing radiation poisoning.

For places farther than the Moon it gets even more difficult, because between when the shots are fired from Mars (for example) to when your shots arrive at Mars there's about a 3 year lag if you noticed them coming. That's Mars firing at the start of a launch window, sending a volley of a thousand nukes, which coast through space for 6 months and strike Earth, then Earth needing to recover and get ready to send back a volley at the opening of the next launch window 24 months later, which then take 6 months to arrive. Also, launching 100 nukes at Mars from Earth costs way more because it requires way bigger rockets, and Mars doesn't care about open-air radio-toxicity and air-bursts aren't effective in such a thin atmosphere against targets which are mostly built like bunkers deep underground.

[Anonymous No.11621825]

>>11621791
>the US government has become increasingly interested in emulating it's aggressively authoritarian global counterparts
Americans really need to be exposed to other cultures more so they can understand precisely where things like lobbying and nepotism land on the spectrum of political corruption and what exactly authoritarian power grabs entail. The last thing the US government did that was even remotely authoritarian was the Patriot act and that was heavily criticized and is on its way out.

[Anonymous No.11621826]

Was it kino?

[Anonymous No.11621827]

>>11621814
I'm mostly positive on the dude but your kind must go

>muh college
>but can only think of harvard or yale to name as """good""" colleges
extremely underrage post

[Anonymous No.11621828]

>>11621798
He doesn't look that bad, Honestly I think this whole onions male thing is just projection of your insecurities. You're skinny fat and your chin could be stronger so seeing others who look similar scares you. The bottom line is you probably don't look any better than this dude so to hate on him for not looking like Schwarzenegger is a bit strange.

[Anonymous No.11621829]

>>11621826
Nothing came from it. The guys are still working on it from Blue Origin. Maybe something will happen in the next 5 years.

[Anonymous No.11621831]

>>11621722
>can only see a few hundred kilometers, as if the horizon is curving away from you or something
>"flat"
ok

[Anonymous No.11621833]

>>11621825
Whataboutism.

[Anonymous No.11621835]

>>11621824
Earth could just keep their nukes in orbit, this isn't hard.

[Anonymous No.11621842]

>>11621753
kino af

[Anonymous No.11621843]

>>11621196
>pic
> rock falls down, obliterates your entire house
rip

[Anonymous No.11621846]

>>11621835
A nuclear weapon that would actually pose a significant threat to a lava tube bunker would not be a trivial undertaking and putting it into orbit would be a political headache. Not to mention if you got all of that out of the way you're just inviting disproportionate response from a colony that can return the favor much more easily.

[Anonymous No.11621847]

>>11621825
Just because we haven't jumped straight from a little bit of lobbying all the way to North Korea doesn't change the fact that the US government is enormously more corrupt and authoritarian now than it was pre-WW2. It has no intention of self-limiting either, so it will have to be halted at some point or the end goal of complete authoritarianism will be reached at some point anyways, even if it happens slower.

[Anonymous No.11621855]

What is the most number of times SpaceX has reflown a single booster?

[Anonymous No.11621859]

>>11621827
LOOOL extreme seething

youre like the dudes who try to talk themselves into thinking dating hot girls is actually not enjoyable.

let me tell you, dating hot girls is enjoyable, good colleges are inherently better than shitty ones and the vast majority of peopel who go to them humillate you in terms of mental capacity.

i have all the advantages
there's no advantage to be you, dont rationalize it.

best thing is its better for me if you rationalize it and operate on the false pretense that youre not completely inferior, but hey, shame on me for trying to help an inferior

[Anonymous No.11621861]

>>11621833
it's called "perspective" or more broadly "knowledge" that generally helps in productive conversation

[Anonymous No.11621863]

>>11621859
>seething
>wrote all that shit
so i was right

[Anonymous No.11621865]

>>11621847
the truth is that nazis won the war, meaning that their way of thinking got imposed everywhere. Even tough they were military defeated, their ways: industrial fascism with a propaganda state became the norm for the whole world

[Anonymous No.11621870]

>>11621863
>implying that takes me less than 20 seconds to type
>being intimidated
come on anon, dont just admit defeat, its embarasing show some dignity. Make it fun for me to beat you ;) po

[Anonymous No.11621871]

>>11621828
>stop judging others about how they look it doesn't matter, also you probably look disgusting.

I have no shame that I look about average and am working to improve that. The problem most people have with the chubby 30 y/o with beard look is that it shows a lack of drive/ambition. I would assume people here are mad because drive and ambition as values probably correlate with an interest in space exploration.

[Anonymous No.11621873]

>>11621855
I think it's five, and that seems to be pushing the booster to it's limits.

[Anonymous No.11621876]

>>11621870
if you live long enough you will realize you were a fucking retard at this age lmao

[Anonymous No.11621884]

>>11621873
Not really. I think they're pushing the limits because of thin (fuel) margins for landing because LEO load capacity for F9 and 60 Starlink @ 250kg only give them ~500kg worth of margin. I don't remember why one of their F9 failed landing, but the other was due to simple refurbishment mistake (alcohol cleaning agent that didn't evaporate properly)

[Anonymous No.11621888]

>>11621847
>more corrupt and authoritarian now than it was pre-WW2
yes, those famously democratic acts of the US government like conscription and the trail of tears and lack of voting or property rights for women and minorities
I can't believe we've slipped from that to a president who refuses to actually use federal powers to take control of the country in any way during a pandemic.

[Anonymous No.11621893]

>I have often been asked: if we have traveled between the stars, why can we not launch the simplest of orbital probes? These fools fail to understand the difficulty of finding the appropriate materials on this Planet, of developing adequate power supplies, and creating the infrastructure necessary to support such an effort. In short, we have struggled under the limitations of a colonial society on a virgin planet. Until now.
>Col. Corazon Santiago, "Planet: A Survivalist's Guide"

[Anonymous No.11621903]

>>11621865
sounds more like stalin was the real winner here

[Anonymous No.11621906]

>>11621873
Wasn't that booster only lost because they didn't properly purge all the isopropyl alcohol after cleaning an engine?

[Anonymous No.11621911]

to get things back on track, does anybody here know of plans to use to lift capacity of starship to get NTR ferries and probes going?

[Anonymous No.11621917]

>>11621911
I don't think there are any. Mainly because there are zero plans to use NTR in the near future. Considering the amount of regulations and fear of fissile materials in space, I doubt there will be NTRs.

[Anonymous No.11621923]

>>11621633
it is relevant to something - ensuring the next administration don't cancel it

[Anonymous No.11621925]

>>11621911
Maybe if you get a fast reactor that’s light enough
If that’s the case, you could build a Mk II starship with a NTR void engine

[Anonymous No.11621929]

>>11621917
>Considering the amount of regulations and fear of fissile materials in space, I doubt there will be NTRs.

Regulations can’t do dogshit to stop black mining operations on other worlds.

[Anonymous No.11621931]

>>11621723
300 iq

[Anonymous No.11621932]

>finally got my trump bux
>only $591
fug. any cool spaceflight related luxuries worth looking into

[Anonymous No.11621933]

>>11621888
One president does not a government make, Trump would have to do a yuge amount more reforming to even begin to repair the damage that's been done to the US political structure over the past 100 years.

[Anonymous No.11621934]

Spaceships need to be more Bonestell-inspired.

[Anonymous No.11621936]

>>11621932
white steyr aug, larp as space force

[Anonymous No.11621939]

>>11621936
>>11621932
you'll need 1400 more tho

[Anonymous No.11621944]

>>11621932
How did you get only $591? You rich or something? I got quite a bit because I have little clones of myself to feed

[Anonymous No.11621955]

>>11621936
they could probably solve the gun crisis if they just made it illegal for guns to look cool
>>11621944
it's stepped down between 75k and 99k and I make ~85k

[Anonymous No.11621956]

>>11621944
it goes down by like $1 every dollar above 72k income or something

[Anonymous No.11621960]

>>11621876
no anon, its sincerely astonishing that you think you have any chance at me. Im the sun youre a mosquito turd, thats how uneven we are.

I order you to reply, if posible disguise it as someone else.

[Anonymous No.11621965]

>>11621893
Spartan astronauts in spartan rockets from spartan soils.

[Anonymous No.11621971]

>I order you to reply

[Anonymous No.11621972]

>>11621929
First you have to actually find fissiles out there. You can't mine what you haven't found.

[Anonymous No.11621977]

>>11621972
They’ll be on Mars or the moon, no doubt.

[Anonymous No.11621993]

>>11621871
lol

[Anonymous No.11621999]

>>11621944
I thought welfare was bad?

[Anonymous No.11622005]

>>11620958
How is this going to be incorporated into the rocket-tan

[Anonymous No.11622012]

>>11621999
I never said welfare was bad so if you’re trying to point out hypocrisy there isn’t any.

[Anonymous No.11622049]

Remember don't fall for bait or not bait retards.

[Anonymous No.11622062]

Do you think Elon will ever actually go up in Starship?

[Anonymous No.11622069]

>>11621395
No different to the Age of Exploration. What happened when a ship sprang a leak in the middle of the Pacific? Or you were captured by a tribe of cannibals?

[Anonymous No.11622081]

>>11622062
he'll be on dearmoon since maezawa's moon prostitution scheme fell flat

[Anonymous No.11622082]

>>11622069
the difference is we will be watching it live on tv as it happens

[Anonymous No.11622084]

>>11622062
>Do you think Elon will ever actually go up in Starship?
i fucking hope not, as an astronaut hes extremely unvaluable, but as a leader and as a provider of money hes critical if he dies we could enter another 50 years of standstill

[Anonymous No.11622089]

>>11622082
no, it will have a censorship lag of 5-10 seconds

[Anonymous No.11622097]

>>11621015
You don‘t need a fucking panorama deck to not go crazy while riding a glorified fucking elevator for a few hours. Hell there‘s still two fucking big windows for every astronaut on this thing.
Most of this thing will be stuffed with more cargo than any Orion crew could ever reasonably be expected to unload in one mission.

[Anonymous No.11622100]

>>11621893
>>11621965
About the "independent Mars" discussion earlier, independent orbital launch capabilities will be a necessary condition for an independent Martian colony. Even if it will be way easier than on Earth in term of deltaV, building rocket motors from Martian resources will be a pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.11622105]

>>11622084
He wants to go up there tho

[Anonymous No.11622106]

>>11621629
Water isn't very compressible, it has a similar density no matter the pressure.

[Anonymous No.11622107]

>>11622100
>building rocket motors from Martian resources will be a pain in the ass.

How so? Dig up metals, refine them, forge them into alloys, then forge the engines.

[Anonymous No.11622116]

>>11622107
>Rockets are just made of rocks and shit
>Just do the whole supply chain with fuck all atmosphere bro

[Anonymous No.11622122]

>>11622107
Ah, I see you don't know much about excavation, refining and manufacturing.

[Anonymous No.11622125]

>>11621764
>Entirely focused at pleasing Earthlings.
The population of Earth will remain at least 3 orders of magnitude greater than everywhere else for decades to come. A tiny fraction of a lot is still a lot. Then there will be many areas where the lack of scale elsewhere will result in it being done on Earth.

[Anonymous No.11622127]

>>11622116
>Rockets are just made of rocks and shit

I mean, metals do come out of rocks. Most ones are in the form of oxides, relatively simple to smelt.

>Just do the whole supply chain with fuck all atmosphere bro

I don’t see how the thin atmosphere complicates it aside from people needing pressure suits.

[Anonymous No.11622129]

WHEN I SAY BOING YOU SAY BTFO

BOING

[Anonymous No.11622135]

>>11622129
BTFO

[Anonymous No.11622138]

>>11622122
I know plenty. You could bring the required infrastructure to bootstrap local production on a few Starships; make a New Boca Chica complete with taco truck.

[Anonymous No.11622140]

>>11621798
Von Braun's rockets, the first rockets in the world, were dropping on london and antwerp while your granddad was still in his dad's balls.
The dude is pushing past 50 in that picture and wanted to go for mars.
Humans will walk,&uck&shit on mars, and they will name a city after Von Braun.
And while your name&and your shit post will be long forgotten, a ex nazi's name will go on for ages.

[Anonymous No.11622143]

>>11622107
its hard to have a self sustaining industry base for anything here on earth.

Even with an atmosphere and all its MUCH more efficient to ship a tootphick to your house from all the way around the globe rather than building a toothpick factory, that's why our global economy is so insanely fragile. Actually one well placed metereoite nuke in a particular place in asia would be enough to make personal computers as plentifuls as luxury yatchs for the next 20 years

[Anonymous No.11622144]

>>11622140
He’s talking about Everyday Astronaut not Von Braun

[Anonymous No.11622145]

>>11622140
>Von Braun's rockets, the first rockets in the world
Am I forgotten?

[Anonymous No.11622147]

>>11622144
wel now i feel like a retard.

[Anonymous No.11622149]

>>11621344
>all that by 2022
I‘ve said it before and I‘ll say it again, the 20s are going to be great.
Corona just needs to fuck off though.

[Anonymous No.11622153]

>>11622129
B T F O

[Anonymous No.11622175]

>>11622143
>its hard to have a self sustaining industry base for anything here on earth

Which is why it’d take a few decades at least. It’s not instantaneous. First you’ve need to range over the Martian surface with rovers and geologists and orbital probes hunting for ore deposits and evaluating potential productivity, then you’d have to place pre-fabricated facilities to harvest and refine the materials nearby, which is achievable with Starships. Once you have the ability to produce more of said equipment locally, then it’ll take off. Not all resource demand can be or would be made independent of Earth at the same time.

[Anonymous No.11622177]

Has Boeing been forgetting to bribe senators recently or what? They have been getting absolutely rekt.

[Anonymous No.11622190]

>>11622125
The total population of Earth is irrelevant. Practically everyone off-Earth will be involved in space industry by their very nature. The only portion of the Earth industry we're concerned about is those involved in heavy lift rocketry. That's thousands, at most. Maybe it will grow to tens of thousands. Maybe we'll pump out a Starship a day - most of those will be dedicated to building the exact infrastructure we're talking about. Meanwhile, an indigenous Mars/Moon based lander would be a giant can even more cheaply built than Starship providing orders of magnitude more capability.

[Anonymous No.11622199]

>>11622138
Cool, could you sketch out how that would work for me? I don't know an enormous amount myself, all I've done so far is some back of the hand math a few threads back about how large of an excavation you'd need to make.

[Anonymous No.11622200]

>>11621831
>NOOOOOOOO IF THE EARTH WAS FLAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE FOREVER!!! YOU'RE NOT HIGH UP ENOUGH!!!

[Anonymous No.11622202]

>>11622177
I think they've been using all their political capital to keep their airliner production afloat

[Anonymous No.11622222]

>>11621730
v1 can't be reused, but the intent is to make it capable of being refueled with moon-sourced LOX/LH2. As long as they include some of the fueling ports on the v1 descent stage, you could recover them, tank them up, and use them as automated cargo trucks for field expeditions.

[Anonymous No.11622231]

>>11622175
you need a million people on mars for that, it will take several thousand to have something like a foundry working there in a self sustaining way.

a rocket factory is much much much MUCH more complicated

youll probably get gear that need some assembly for a (good) while but independent self reliable factorys on mars? bitch please, you dont have independent self reliable industry in the fucking us, lots of shit are simply not manufactured there and have to be imported

[Anonymous No.11622233]

>>11622202
Kek who the fuck is going to be buying their planes, as if their reputation wasn't totally fucked, airlines the world over are in financial ruin and flights are going to be a fraction of what they once were.

[Anonymous No.11622239]

>>11622231
>you dont have independent self reliable industry in the fucking us, lots of shit are simply not manufactured there and have to be imported

This is not because they can't, its because asian slave labour is cheap.

[Anonymous No.11622248]

>>11622231
Extreme reliance on contractors/outsourcing is not fundamental, it's parasitic. It's not a coincidence that the leaders in space also realize the importance of vertical integration.

[Anonymous No.11622255]

>>11622248
its not a matter of contractors or busienss structure is a matter of phsyical physicalities objectiv eundeniable facts of right wing reality that your left wing snowflakery cant argue so dont even start.
some shit
is simply
not made in america
and has to yes or yes be imported
not a matter of where you buy it
you CANNOT get it in america

that is the current state of industry in the most industrialized country in the world, a country of 300 million.

you think a colony of say 1000 could pull the same off?
haha, americaneducated

[Anonymous No.11622258]

>>11620883
Oh shit

We're really going back to the Moon

[Anonymous No.11622259]

>>11622255
And thus we see a man unraveled, laid bare. Thanks for the laughs, kekistanian

[Anonymous No.11622260]

>>11622255
Fuck off retard

[Anonymous No.11622261]

>>11622222
I forgot, you'll also probably want to swap the batteries and some electronics unless the solar panels can keep the whole thing going while it waits (lunar night is rough on chemical batteries and electronics without enough power for heating elements)

[Anonymous No.11622262]

>>11622258
With a giant pimp-castle of a mobile base at that

[Anonymous No.11622290]

>>11620883
Can they put a ladder on the starship?

I mean you wouldn't expect an elevator to break, but if it does you're going to die because an elevator broke. That shit belongs in china, not the moon

[Anonymous No.11622293]

>>11622290
I expect it will have a crank like what you'd see on a window washing platform.

[Anonymous No.11622297]

>>11622290
How is your rover going to climb down a ladder?

[Anonymous No.11622305]

>>11622290
I'm sure if nothing else NASA will make sure there's some sort of backup protocol for it.

They should just KSP it and give everyone cold gas rocketpacks

[Anonymous No.11622319]

>>11622290
It's an electrically powered cable lift, I'm failing to see how it could be some uniquely dangerous point of failure. That being said I'm sure a simple flexible ladder made of some para aramid fiber that won't decay in a vacuum and high UV environment could be tossed over the side of the ship just encase there's a problem with the lift. I'd also imagine that at no time will every person on a Starship crew leave the ship at once, there will always be some people keeping stations aboard the ship, and they could manually reel up the lift with a hand crank or something.

[Anonymous No.11622334]

>>11622290
lol it can have a billion contingency plans, even a couple of ultra strong carbon fiber kevlar ropes, 2 that deploy automatically from the side of the ship, 2 that the astronaut carry with them and 2 on the inside of the ship. they could also use eva fuel to get there, there you have 6 contingency plans for an emergency, they also have room for extra food and supplies to wait an emergency mission in comfort.

so bottom line:
starship: big ultra powerful at least 5-6 options for any contingency, none of them put comfort in risk

all other landers: 0 TOLERANCE ON EMERGENCY NOTHING CAN EVER GO WRONG IF EVEN A MINOR FAILURE OCCURS YOU DIE HORRIBLY SUFFERING IN A SMALL COFFIN

gee, how uneducated you have to be to not known the objective turth that spacex wins forever at evertythingintg

[Anonymous No.11622342]

>>11622319
>manually reel up the lift with a hand crank or something.
>doing friction based labour with a space suit
do you want to get a rip in your suit? because thats how you get a rip in yours uit

[Anonymous No.11622346]

>>11622342
Are space suits made out of tissue paper or something?

[Anonymous No.11622347]

>>11622342
>it's 2020 and our next missions off-Earth won't even have mechanical pressure suits
Why did this happen?

[Anonymous No.11622359]

>>11622319
>It's an electrically powered cable lift, I'm failing to see how it could be some uniquely dangerous point of failure.

A woman sabotages the lift after having a mental breakdown because the team dog touched the lunar surface first. The calm rational chad pilot subdues her but he needs a way to get the other astronauts back up to the ship.

Anyway you could pull someone up with a rope in 1/6th gravity so I guess women can go to the moon after all

[Anonymous No.11622362]

>>11622342
If a suit cannot withstand moving your arm in a circle to turn a crank, it's not worth shit as a space suit.

[Anonymous No.11622371]

>>11622347
dont get a girls hope's up, what is the chance of sexy leather space suits in the next moon mission, i want to be the next astronaut queen and look like a god damn goddess while i am at it biaaatch

[Anonymous No.11622373]

>>11622362
It's probably an oldspace suit. Handcrafted by specialists across the country with zero margins for error.

[Anonymous No.11622385]

>>11622347
Because grant chasing MIT wahmen are sitting on the patents and doing nothing with it but sucking up tax dollars.

[Anonymous No.11622406]

>>11622385
Fuck them. The design was used years ago by NASA and the USAF, MIT doesn't have precedent to copyright that entire design.

[Anonymous No.11622428]

>>11622081
There will be many dearmoons

[Anonymous No.11622442]

>>11622385
I used to suspect patents could be bad but even after following spaceflight for just a few months I can see they are undoing the human race. Everyone wants to pathologically hoard patents and never make anything, only hope one day they get paid to keep something in development hell

[Anonymous No.11622456]

>>11622334
Can’t wait for the massive upmass Starship delivers to create a paradigm change in engineering. Gone are the days of optimising everything to be perfect and lightweight so nothig goes wrong (see JWST). Now you can just yeet loads of redundancies and raise your factor of safety to civil engineering levels, just cause you can.

[Anonymous No.11622486]

>>11622456
totally this, anything a bored college teacher can imagine will be made a reality, most top tier faculties will even pay for it.

i expect this to happen in the following years:

all major colleges to have their own personal space telescope or at least satellite

every single country sending at least one air force pilot to space

every single g8 country sending someone to the moon

americans on mars, maybe chinese and russians too

probes and landers to every single celestial bodies within a very short span

around the same amount of people who now own private islands will

[Anonymous No.11622491]

>>11622486
(con) have visited private inflatable hotels in space

also, special envoys from japanese corporations will go back and forth from new york to kyoto using c2c starships, they will talk to their boss, redact a briefing on the way to the airport and 90 minutes later they are at their new york building delivering that presentation in person

[Anonymous No.11622502]

>>11622371
>>11622371

this to the maxy max, girls using tight space suits will be a glorious sight so much potential for fetishism

but wait
what if you get horny on a space walk??

ok so the suit allegedly takes care of your every need, so why not have it include a super vibrator/electric pussy to blow off steam on a space walk, why have an extra source of stress.

Computer activate the masturbator, set it to clenching strenght 5 speed 8 and moistness 6. Activate the nipple stimulator and the neck licker, play audios of Kim Yo-jong speech before she launched the nukes at japan...

[Anonymous No.11622504]

>>11622456
Same. I hate having to debate designs with people who insist that the design must be optimized to the maximum and that overbuilding is wasteful.

[Anonymous No.11622562]

>>11622486
It's the G7 now.

Everybody else will get to put somebody on the moon before Russia does, because Russia won't be allowed to fly with SpaceX.

China too maybe.

[Anonymous No.11622629]

>>11622502
>Computer activate the masturbator, set it to clenching strenght 10 speed 10 and moistness 10. Activate the nipple stimulator and the neck licker, play elon musks interview in which he says jeff who...
ftfy

[Anonymous No.11622630]

The amount of seethe Elon is generating on twitter over calling out this nothingburger is hilarious.

[Anonymous No.11622652]

>>11622145
The difference is that Von Braun had the dedication and drive to do whatever was necessary to achieve his goals.

Goddard languished in relative obscurity and never received any meaningful funding; Von Braun joined his countries populist movement and weaponized his creations because thats what it took to get funding. When Goddard couldn't funding he just settled for building his rockets out of cardbord and tears. When Von Braun couldn't funding he went over the government and pitched his ideas to the American public via Walt fucking Disney directly.

Von Braun will always be the name associated with space flight and rocketry because he had the drive and ambition to do whatever it took. Goddard will continue to be an obscure historical footnote because he was content to play with bottle rockets in his back yard.

[Anonymous No.11622670]

>>11622652
a true madlad

[Anonymous No.11622680]

>>11622630
It shows how political the virus has become. People do not want to look at data or facts. They want to stick to their beliefs. Media has been telling them its the end of the world for few months now. Media will never admit its wrongdoing. So they censor/fight/suppress/lookdown on people who bring out real scientific data.

[Anonymous No.11622693]

>>11621021
it's really good

[Anonymous No.11622696]

>>11621084
you can absolutely return that Starship to Earth through the magic of in-space refueling
if you fully fuel it in Earth orbit it should be able to propulsively brake itself and land
maybe

[Anonymous No.11622703]

>>11621176
the Dynetics lander is baller
I can't believe they proposed not only crasher tanks, but crossfeed crasher tanks

[Anonymous No.11622721]

>>11622670
>Saturn V going into the fucking ceiling
In awe at the size of this lad

[Anonymous No.11622727]

>>11622696
wouldn't it still need some kind of heat shield though

[Anonymous No.11622736]

>>11621382
I'm disappointed that he rushed this video out. Not only would people have understood if he spent a few more days past the announcement to make revisions, but he had a head start at it with insider knowledge. The video seems to be essentially the same as it would've been before the announcement, except he sprinkled in a few "oh but NASA is using Starship too now" statements, ignoring that the Starship variant being used is not the one that we've come to know. Granted, he might not have known the specifics of Artemis Starship and the contract terms before the announcement, but it might've been a good idea to hold off.

It seems like the decision to split the video into two was last-minute, and he'll have time to make corrections before then, so that's probably better than releasing it all now.

Looking forward to Hullo's video to tell me how to feel about all this.

[Anonymous No.11622741]

>>11622670
>The Chad Saturn I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0-8Pd7fK9w

[Anonymous No.11622742]

>>11621213
I don't think SpaceX expected to win
their proposal was basically just telling NASA to give them money to do the thing they were going to do anyway
>>11621220
No, I think it's like this
>HLS is assembled in NRHO
>Orion docks with HLS, transfers crew, undocks and floats about NRHO for a while unmanned and waits for the ascent element to come back
>transfer element brings HLS to LLO, undocks, flies back to NRHO or crashes on the moon or whatever the fuck who cares it's a cygnus with an engine on it
>Blue Moon descent element brings the ascent element and crew down to the lunar surface
>fucking off on the moon for however long
>ascent element flies crew back to NRHO and Orion, leaving the descent element on the surface

[Anonymous No.11622744]

>>11622727
Hypothetically if you were to kill all of Starships orbital velocity with a long ass retrograde burn you actually wouldn't. Orbital entry heating is caused by the insane speeds returning objects enter the atmosphere at, so if you kill your horizontal velocity before entering the atmosphere only your vertical velocity will cause friction with the atmosphere.

If you had enough fuel left over you could then land propulsive.

That would probably take a shitload of fuel though, I don't know how feasible any of that would actually be. I've done it in KSP though so it can't be that impossible in real life, just expensive.

[Anonymous No.11622748]

>>11622742
>No, I think it's like this...
That doesn't sound convoluted at all. If NASA is just going to the moon to plant flags and take selfies, then why not just go for a more direct mission like Apollo? I mean, they're already trying to reenact it.

[Anonymous No.11622753]

>>11622742
>their proposal was basically just telling NASA to give them money to do the thing they were going to do anyway
They are making Starship on their own, but they aren't making a weirdo gimped version that lives doing moon-dock hops without NASA input. Or at least, I don't see why they would.

[Anonymous No.11622770]

>>11622742
>>I don't think SpaceX expected to win
>tfw a literal shitpost proposal wins over yours

[Anonymous No.11622776]

>>11622742
>their proposal was basically just telling NASA to give them money to do the thing they were going to do anyway
Except SpaceX bent over backwards to design a new, less practical version of Starship specifically for Artemis. I feel like SpaceX took this opportunity to get their foot in the door with Starship so that later on NASA and Congress might be more likely to fund the space program SpaceX wants. Just look at how cheap their bid is.

[Anonymous No.11622804]

What is the likelihood of Artemis getting ahead of schedule? Would a full year be possible?

[Anonymous No.11622809]

>>11622804
It's more likely to be cancelled than get ahead of schedule.

[Anonymous No.11622810]

>>11622744
IIRC, given a modified reentry trajectory, Columbia could have reentered safely without significant heating.

[Anonymous No.11622814]

>>11622804
>NASA
>ahead of schedule

[Anonymous No.11622815]

>>11622804
You're a funny one.

[Anonymous No.11622817]

>>11622670
look at that fucking smug face, he was aware by how much he had fucked every single human being in the ass, he had the biggest cock both in space and time 50 years later no one even comes close

[Anonymous No.11622833]

>>11622770
Boeing's bribery department must've been laid off.

[Anonymous No.11622842]

>Lunar Cargo Dragon XL's
>Lunar-optimized crew Starships
>Custom crewed #dearmoon orbital flyby
>Refueling tanker Starships
>Mars cargo Starships
>Mars crewed colonial Starships
>Starlink delivery Starships
>Earth-to-Earth suborbital Starships

[Anonymous No.11622843]

>>11622810
I thought the Shittle used up 90% of it's fuel getting it's fat ass to orbit and only carried enough left over to de-orbit?

Killing all of a space craft's orbital velocity requires a fair amount of dV.

[Anonymous No.11622848]

So how is the lunar lander starship going to be different from the regular one? Can't find much on that.

Also lol boing btfo

[Anonymous No.11622853]

>>11622842
>tfw optimistic about the future for once

[Anonymous No.11622864]

>>11622848
no heatshield, different landing legs, extra superdraco/cold gas thrusters installed halfway up to prevent kicking up regolith on landing, smaller windows, painted white, looks like there's solar tiles on the nosecone like they have on the trunk of Dragon 2

[Anonymous No.11622867]

>>11622853
tfw

[Anonymous No.11622871]

>>11622864
Those are probably neither superdracos nor cold gas thrusters, they seem to be methalox gas-gas pressure fed thrusters. Somewhat harder to ignite, much more efficient, just as good throttle characteristics, and shares the same propellants as Raptor, just in a different physical phase.

[Anonymous No.11622874]

>>11622742
The ascent element has enough dV to reach NHRO?

[Anonymous No.11622875]

>>11622742
>their proposal was basically just telling NASA to give them money to do the thing they were going to do anyway
No. Their proposal was them showing NASA what they will do in the next 10 months in order to continue on to next stage of contract. From now to 10 months, NASA will judge which has advanced the most in its goals. If SpaceX meets 90% of its goal and others only get 50%, SpaceX will win default.

[Anonymous No.11622877]

>>11622871
even better then, simplifies the plumbing and refueling

[Anonymous No.11622881]

>>11622864
Wouldnt the buffed RCS thrusters be good for the normal starship? It has to land on the moon too. Dust on mars might not be too helpful either. These look like they are angled down though to slow decent, which would make them less effective for hard earth landings.

[Anonymous No.11622887]

>>11622864
Just like how the extra engines are treated as an additional feature with no worries about them. If this were any other company, then they would spend so much time worrying about how to add this to their perfect spacecraft without trashing the payload capacity.

[Anonymous No.11622892]

>>11622881
I have to imagine the first thing the first mission to Mars will do is set up a launchpad so that every mission after that doesn't have to deal with dust.

[Anonymous No.11622907]

>>11622881
It's entirely possible a lot of this stuff (with the exception of no heat shield) is just general design changes for the project that they haven't had an occasion to drop until now. That's what I suspect, anyway

[Anonymous No.11622913]

>>11621615
>Insert leaning launch tower joke

[Anonymous No.11622917]

>>11622913
I just don't understand this reusable launch tower meme...

[Anonymous No.11622921]

>>11621871
You have Aspergers, /sfg/ isn't your personal blog, and literally no one here cares what you look like so fuck off.

[Anonymous No.11622930]

>>11622907
Sucks that we're probably seeing the realistic treatment of the windows. But each window is still probably the largest window in space if you count the bezels in the cupola as separate windows.

[Anonymous No.11622949]

How harsh would reentry be if you burned retrograde and killed all of your angular momentum?

[Anonymous No.11622955]

>>11622949
why would you do that

[Anonymous No.11622961]

>>11622955
See >>11622810
and >>11622744
and >>11622727

There is an ongoing conversation about how to get a spacecraft back safely without a heat shield and a retrograde burn to kill off velocity was one of the suggestions.

[Anonymous No.11622982]

>>11621285
the moon is a lot closer than Mars
it's way easier to GET to Mars, but way harder to get back
also the trip takes like four years, and NASA just isn't really ready for that
SpaceX don't give a fuck and are willing to just throw steel at the problem until it goes away so it'll work out for them
>>11622255
lol retard
>>11622727
that's what the burn is for
I don't know how well it would work though, you need a LOT of delta v for that and starship would only have 6.5 km/s or so out of the 9 km/s you need do to it purely propulsively
and I'm not sure how you'd control the Starship without aerofeatures if you turned the engines off
you know what, it's a bad idea, just leave it on the moon
>>11622748
it's not much more complicated than Apollo, anon
the big differences are that Apollo was single launch and this is multi-launch, the staging happens in NRHO instead of low lunar parking orbit, and instead of using the Apollo service module to drag the whole command/service/LEM down to low lunar orbit they're only bringing the lunar excursion module down and leaving the command module in a higher orbit

[Anonymous No.11622988]

>>11622753
>weirdo gimped version
I've actually been thinking about this weirdo gimped version for a while, it was one of the modifications that I thought would make way more sense than bringing a full Earth landing starship complete with aerofeatures all the way down to the Earth's surface

[Anonymous No.11622990]

>>11622776
>new, less practical version of Starship
it's a custom crew module that shares a lot of features with the Mars version but with the aerofeatures and TPS stripped off, and then the whole thing painted black and titanium dioxide white

[Anonymous No.11623001]

>has to be painted black and white to fool the public into thinking its a NASA rocket

Lmao

[Anonymous No.11623003]

>>11622874
yes, every single ascent element needs to be able to abort at any point unaided
the ascent elements will all launch directly from the lunar surface to NRHO by themselves

[Anonymous No.11623008]

>>11622961
Reentry would be easy, there'd be literally no heating.

Problem is that isn't on the table because you need ~9 km/s of delta V to be able to cancel all orbital velocity plus negate gravity losses as you do it, and then you need landing propellant on top of that.

[Anonymous No.11623039]

>>11622921
but that anon insulted what I look like and showing I was not what he portrayed me as was important in proving my point. Those arguments he made about projection have no worth and it needed to be shown that posters that disagree with him do not fit the profile he has created.

[Anonymous No.11623046]

>>11623039
Shut up faggot and fuck off.

[Anonymous No.11623055]

>>11623046
fuck you, no

arguments against people using 'projection' add nothing and need to end

[Anonymous No.11623059]

>>11623055
“Projection” is the pseudointellectual version of “no u” or “I know you are but what am I?”

[Anonymous No.11623070]

>>11622843
You bleed off speed by bouncing off the upper atmosphere, not by directly killing all your velocity. I actually can't find a source for this so it might have been my imagination idk.

[Anonymous No.11623078]

>>11623039
>>11623055
Shut the fuck up, you autistic narcissist. He said that you were probably disgusting, that doesn't warrant you getting upset and posting some photo of yourself mouth breathing with your hawk like face, sitting in your parent's kitchen. It's laughable that you implied you were a Chad, but whatever you think, just stop talking about yourself. If you want attention that badly, there's a whole board for you, /soc/.

[Anonymous No.11623079]

>>11623055
Project harder soiboy

[Anonymous No.11623085]

Let’s not have an autismo fight

[Anonymous No.11623090]

>>11623085
Its a bunch of us bullying an autist, there's no fight. Hopefully he goes away or kills himself.

[Anonymous No.11623096]

>>11623078
you are projecting

>you in pic

[Anonymous No.11623097]

>>11623090
Thats mean.

[Anonymous No.11623099]

>>>/soc/28869210

[Anonymous No.11623107]

>>11623085
I legit did not expect posting a facebook tier selfie would derail things to this extent, ignore and go back to talking about space

[Anonymous No.11623111]

>>11623096
>Everyone who thinks I'm an autistic faggot must look disgusting and they couldn't possibly be in good shape or attractive. That must be it.

I made you a /soc/ thread so you can have your little sperg out there and everyone else can get back to talking about spaceflight.

[Anonymous No.11623136]

Autists fuck off, when's the next Starship test boys?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDY7uD4E8p4

[Anonymous No.11623147]

>>11623059
>“Projection” is the pseudointellectual version of “no u” or “I know you are but what am I?”
not him but projection is a complex mechanic of the human psyche accepted by all major schools of neurology, psychology and psychotherapy.

Im sorry, but people kicking your ass is not "pseudointelectual"

[Anonymous No.11623154]

So the Lunar lander will require two depots, one in LEO and one at the Gateway. How will they get fuel to the Gateway? Via Starship? They don't have a contract for that yet. Or is the Dragon XL enough?

[Anonymous No.11623161]

>>11623154
>So the Lunar lander will require two depots
Not if I have anything to say about it AND I DO!

[Anonymous No.11623162]

>>11623147
>not him but projection is a complex mechanic of the human psyche accepted by all major schools of pseudoscience babble

[Anonymous No.11623166]

>>11623147
>totally not him not him, brah
>refers to his shitpost as kicking someone's ass

You're obviously that person, retard. Just fuck off already.

[Anonymous No.11623169]

>>11623154
>D*pots

Don't say that, you're going to summon the shelby poste-

>>11623161

Its ogre.

[Anonymous No.11623170]

>>11623161
inb4 shelby claims that it was his idea all along

[Anonymous No.11623172]

>>11623161
NO SHELBY DON'T, YOU CAN'T SAY THE N WORD!

[Anonymous No.11623173]

>>11623172
NATIONALIZE!

[Anonymous No.11623191]

>>11623154
Dragon XL basically appears to be a pretty by-the-numbers SPS but using MethaLOX, so far as I know it only attaches a Dragon capsule, I don't know of any plans to attach some fuel payload to it.

[Anonymous No.11623196]

>>11623154
I thought it just uses the fuel it would burn to return to earth and slow down to instead enter lunar orbit and land multiple times.

Come to think of it though how do all the landers get refueled?

[Anonymous No.11623208]

>>11623196
>How do all the landers get refueled?
I have something to say about it! I'm gonna say the D word!

[Anonymous No.11623212]

>>11623196
I thought it was at the Gateway, but the Dynetics team replaces its fuel tanks every time, and Starship is too large to get refueled there? So Starship might be refueled by other Starships and the Dynetics lander might meet up with new fuel tanks at the Gateway. Not sure how BO/National Team are going to do it.

[Anonymous No.11623221]

>>11623162
>>11623166
lol, fucking samefag im REALLY not him, its so delicious to objectively know youre wrong and see you seethe, please do it more it entertains me

[Anonymous No.11623231]

>>11623221
You shouldn't be surprised that more than one person thinks you're an obnoxious faggot, I'm sure most people that you meet share the same opinion.
>im REALLY not him
Why don't you just own up to it? You're not fooling anyone, no one else would have gotten this upset because someone said that projection was basically a "no u" argument. By the way /soc/ told me that you posted that photo before so it wasn't enough for you to seek attention there, you had to try to do it here as well. So pathetic and cringy.

[Anonymous No.11623254]

The Chinese capsule test will launch on May 5 and land on May 6.

[Anonymous No.11623256]

>>11623231
>>11623221
>>11623166
>>11623147
>>11623059
>>11623055
>>11623046
>>11623039
>>11622921
>>11621871
>>11621828
SPACE

FLIGHT

[Anonymous No.11623270]

Can we please stop having arguments and instead discuss our glorious future amongst the stars and the mighty machines that will bring us to them?

[Anonymous No.11623278]

>>11623231
>You shouldn't be surprised that more than one person thinks you're an obnoxious faggot,
reply again posing as another perosn, please it entertains me, im ordering you to reply to me

i raped you in this discussion, i raped you like a 2m tall soldier does an unarmed girl. you had less chances than that. don't cry too much

[Anonymous No.11623302]

>>11623270
I guess not, these two losers have to sperg out and the fact that they're trashing a thread doesn't even occur in their empty fucking skulls.

[Anonymous No.11623308]

>>11623278
Lmao, you got rated a 6/10 by a literal tranny. I'm fucking dying.

[Anonymous No.11623312]

>>11623302
Just make a new thread, stupid. This one will be dead within an hour.

[Anonymous No.11623354]

>>11623212
>Not sure how BO/National Team are going to do it.
The same way SLS refuels.

[Anonymous No.11623361]

Elon just confirmed anime flag payload for the the moon. This timeline can't get any better. Hopefully they get the diversity hire wahmen to plant it for absolute humiliation.

[Anonymous No.11623392]

New thread:
>>11623190

>>11623190

>>11623190

>>11623190

New policy, no narcissistic /soc/ faggots allowed.

[Anonymous No.11623458]

>>11621633
Public Relations. Everything has to do with the contents of your fucking pants these days after all.
The next mission will have custom genders.

[Anonymous No.11623516]

>>11621706
I'd say America getting to the moon was a miracle honestly. Since NASA has the most dangerous space program in the world, I'd really trust the russians more in their rockets

[Anonymous No.11623765]

>>11622982
>the trip takes like four years
It's more like 2.5 years. If you just touch boots you go home on the long half same synod, or you can stay there for like 18 months and go back on the short half of the other phase.

[Anonymous No.11623835]

>>11622744
You don't need to kill all relative velocity to re-enter athmosphere.
Even without a heatshield, starship is made out of stainless steel wich means it can survive quite some heat.
Given the stated performance of starship of "barelay able to reach orbit on its own with 0 payload", a fully refueled starship should have more than enough deltaV to land without a heatshield.
However if using some aerobraking maneuvers and flying a realy shallow trajectory by using the entire body to create lift and using part of the fuel to counteract athmospheric heating, it could probably land with less than a full tank.
The real questions are:
>how hot can it safely get?
>how shallow of an re-entry can it fly?
>how much cooling do the integrated tanks offer?

One possible maneuver would be to do a slight de-orbit burn, skim the athmosphere to bleed of velocity for about one orbit, have the nose pointed up at a 45° angle, wait to reach the maximum safe hull temperature, do a retrograde burn to drop horizontal velocity sufficiently to reduce athmospheric heating, aerobrake hard and later land propulsively.

That way you may not need the full ~9 km/s of deltaV, but probably only about 5-7 km/s (rough estimate), if the tanks are cooling it well, it could probably even get away with even less than that, meaning just a single refueling could be sufficient.

[Anonymous No.11623975]

>>11623191
you've misunderstood DragonXL, anon
it's hypergolic (UDMH,N2O2), not MethaLOx, and it doesn't attach a dragon capsule. It's more like a Cygnus.

[Anonymous No.11623985]

>>11623835
there's also "how much aerodynamic control does it have"

[Anonymous No.11624010]

>>11623985
They could also refuel the RCS-system.

[Anonymous No.11624363]

>>11623308
thanks for obeying me, i love that you confirm youre my little bitch. Adorable that you think youre not horribly pathetic in any way