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What is scientific about believing we magically turn into nothingness when we die? I'm pretty sure this belief is just for either people with a small mind who don't actually think about anything to the point they don't even know what thinking is and have simply attributed the word to something else entirely like that autist who laughs at all the wrong things because he doesn't know what humor is, or it's people who confuse the nobility of acceptance of the matter-of-"fact"ness of reality with intelligence and consequently have a small mind.
The most atheist thing I can think of is that iff the number and possible ordering of things are ultimately finite, i.e. God doesn't necessarily exist, and reality is infinite, then you exist over and over and you will exist again. The "time" you are dead would be but an instant.

>> No.11613597

Yeah, avoid Reddit atheists; They are nothing but wanna-be debaters. There are actually decent arguments for non-existence. I will try to rephrase one I've heard before, however I may butcher it slightly.

'You' never exists again because 'you' is just a temporary concept. In the same way that the baby being born right now isn't 'you' while you are alive - after you die, that new baby being born still won't be 'you'. Yes, it will be a rearrangement of matter into a consciousness, but since babies are being born right now, subjective experiences are being created - so unless consciousness is node based - it seems unlikely that it's you. Subjective experience will continue to persist throughout the universe but what makes you so sure that it's 'you'. It's possible that all reference frames of subjective experience happen once and only once, and any type of recurrence or repetition in matter arrangement is not actually you, in the same way that cloning a copy of you doesn't necessarily imply you. But, perhaps having the subjective reference frame limits you from inhabiting a new experiences. Anything is possible, really.

>> No.11613617

>>11613554
>What is scientific about believing we magically turn into nothingness when we die?
Who said we turn into nothingness? We turn into dead bodies when we die. There's nothing magical about it. Are you sure you aren't projecting your magical thinking onto others?

>I'm pretty sure this belief is just for either people with a small mind
In other words, anyone who doesn't gullibly swallow your beliefs is "small-minded."

>The most atheist thing I can think of is that iff the number and possible ordering of things are ultimately finite, i.e. God doesn't necessarily exist, and reality is infinite, then you exist over and over and you will exist again. The "time" you are dead would be but an instant.
So we have misrepresentation/projection, small-mind/open-mind, and pseudomathematical gibberish involving God. The schizo trifecta.

>> No.11613620

Oh another schizo thread

You were "magically" in an oblivion of nothingness before your were born. Think about that before posting.

>> No.11614020
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>>11613554
Fear of death and the belief that people become nothing when they die is a Jewish mindset, it is thoroughly Jewish in origin (referring to how they think as a people, not referring to their religion).

Their cultural and social WMD known as Christinsanity introduced into the European people's minds the idea that you have 1 life and that's it, that death is "the end" and that it's something to be feared and you'll most likely go to hell and get punished and suffer forever.

Then after Christinsanity wore off ~1000 years later, and Atheism (another Jewish invention, just like Christinsanity, Islam and Communism) took its place, that fear of death and view on life remained within the minds of most people (just one of the many mental things which "stuck" after Christinsanity disappeared -- such as seeing women as inferior, the idea that all races are equal, pacifism, the idea of a "Big Bang" for example - the modern version of Yahweh creating Earth, etc -- Atheists are usually very Abrahamic in their mindset).

The pre-Christian European man did not fear death, for he knew that "death" wasn't the end but rather the beginning. Pic related shows Waffen SS graves. Many of the members in that organization /knew/. After 1945 the enemies of the Native European people pushed the "you turn into nothingess after you die" idea into mass-production and made /sure/ it thoroughly entered people's minds via the entertainment industry and the media, and made it into a "scientific" view.

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>still hasn't moved past the illusion of permanence
>calls others small minded
Not science or math.

>> No.11614072

>>11614060
The universe has always existed and always will. That's reality. Any belief which contradicts that reality is a belief deriving from the mind of the Jews.

>> No.11614134

>>11613554
>What is scientific about believing we magically turn into nothingness when we die?
It's rational, not scientific. In order to scientifically test it you'd have to kill yourself, but then you wouldn't be able to tell us if there was something.
Most likely there isn't anything, because there wasn't anything before you were born, there isn't anything when you're asleep and not in REM/not dreaming, and it rationally makes sense that there isn't anything when you die.
Note that this means death shouldn't be feared because it's not unpleasant. Is it unpleasant to sleep without dream or consciousness? Of course not.
>>11614020
You have a low iq
>>11614072
Electric universe isn't real, the universe had a definite beginning in the big bang, God most likely does exist and there is no afterlife.
Epicurus was right about everything, he even hypothesized about quantum mechanics (he called it atomic swerve).

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>>11614020
decent post

>>11614134
retarded lefty schizo babble

>> No.11614192

>>11614180
Coping shit for brains moron with no argument.
Explain how death is going to be different from what it was like before you were born and why. Otherwise you're a coping moron.

>> No.11614230

>>11614020
go back to /pol/ schizo

>> No.11614880

>>11613554
We don't turn into anything other than a looser less organized form of our constituent compounds and elements. Nothing magic about that.

>> No.11615102

>>11613554
>Brain is needed for consciousness
>Dead brain rots away to not be part of dead person any more
>No consciousness

>> No.11615119

>>11613554
What is scientific about believing we magically have somethingness before we are born?

>> No.11615143

>>11613554
When you're dead you're not able to perceive anything.
If you believe in souls you're a schizo and need to fuck off to /pol/.

>> No.11615762

>>11614020
Based

>> No.11615879

>>11614020
This, Jews invented both fear of death and the fact that the brain shuts down.

>> No.11616060

>>11613554

You don't turn into nothingness when you die, that would violate conservation of energy. You turn into a corpse and decay gradually.

>> No.11616079

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