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Why do society and even STEM people don't respect humanities?

And I don't mean the whole gender studies shit, but shit like the clasical humanities (literature, languages, philosophy, arts)?

>> No.11613284

>>11613281
Read the two cultures by Snow

>> No.11613297

>>11613281
The humanities need to stop pretending to be science. Did they really think they could invade someone else's turf and there would be no blowback? Humanities gets crapped on because it pretends to be science so science uses science to show the humanities is crap at which point humanities cries about being bullied.
Get back in your lane, drop the word science from all of your programs and drop the pretense of being in any way related to science. Do that and the sciences might start respecting the humanities again for being just that, the humanities, not science.

>> No.11613299

They are useless.

>> No.11613303

>>11613299
history is not useless.

>> No.11613306

>>11613303
Humanity never learns so it's also useless

>> No.11613308

>>11613284
Interesting, thanks anon
fpbp

>> No.11613310

>>11613306
It's funny because argentina right now Is considering the same politics of their 2001 hyperinflation.

>> No.11613338

We get a taste for a wide array of disciplines through high school and by the time we're adults we can tell which take hard work and brain power and which ones you can just yolo on the day.

>> No.11613343

>>11613281
>society and even STEM people
They are tasteless

>> No.11613347

>>11613338
mental dificulty doesn't imply their social value.

religion is important for society and mental health by example.

>> No.11613349

>>11613338
And yet most people are too retarded to write a decent essay

>> No.11613359

>>11613338
Lmao, this.
>t. I'll just write the essay the hour before its due

>> No.11613391

>>11613359
to be fair it's just teachers taking it easy mode on you. if they graded seriously the student average grade would drop by a lot. ive ta'd and graded essays and the majority of the population just does not know how to write.

>> No.11613402

>>11613347
>religion is important for society and mental health
lmao

>> No.11613404

>>11613402
look up demographic decline.

>> No.11613406

>>11613347
dude the people who are religious today barely even take it seriously

>> No.11613411

>>11613402
Read a book.

>> No.11613412

>>11613406
>what are amish, mormons, radical muslims.

secular people are not having babies while the most religious people have 4-5

>> No.11613419

>>11613303
Show me one thing that you gained from studying history that benefits humanity?

>> No.11613421

>>11613419
To avoid repeating the same historical mistakes humans keep making everytime.

>> No.11613423

>>11613419
Prediction.

>> No.11613431

>>11613419
we learn history to learn more about ourselves

>> No.11613445

>>11613419
https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/09/the-thucydides-trap/

Nigga, US and China have big risk of going into WWIII.

>> No.11613447

>>11613419
to know what is flimsy ideology when people try to say something about our history or muh human nature

>> No.11613459

>>11613359
That's because your underpaid and overworked teacher, lecturing to 40+ students can't really be rigorous.
Math and science usually have a "right answer" they can (and do) mindlessly check for which makes it look more rigorous from the students' point of view.
It's even worse in 100+ student classes American universities have.

>> No.11613476

>>11613459
I mean I think there is a way to be rigorous when writing/grading essays, but the administration would think you are taking it too hard on them.

>> No.11613515

>>11613421
you arent a world leader tho
>>11613445
meme

>> No.11613526

>>11613515
you asked why it was important, history is extremelly important in politics and even in economics.

>> No.11613533

>>11613526
i doubt you participate in either of those outside of this site and maybe reddit :)

>> No.11613538

>>11613533
doesn't matter, still matters for international politics.

>> No.11613542

>>11613281
Because stemies are ignorant autistic tasteless philistines who have never and can never experience the beauty and truth contained within a good poem or painting.
It's not that they're not capable of appreciating the arts; it's that they're too smug and self-absorbed to imagine that anyone outside of their field has created anything of value.

>> No.11613564

>>11613419
political systems, economic systems, judicial systems, policy, etc.

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>>11613421
>must repeat what middle school history teacher told me

>> No.11613575

>>11613567
nigga, argentina will have the same hyperinflation of 2001 and they're now argueing the same politics Menem did 20 years ago. (convertibilidad).

A shit ton of americans voted for a socialist.

>> No.11613584

>>11613575
Argentina defaults every 20 years give or take a couple years. Being retarded is just part of their culture.

>> No.11613591

>>11613584
sure, but even then is useful to know history, specially in politics.

A shit ton of lefties want to implement again the Soviet union.

>> No.11613629

>>11613404
>>11613411
cope
>>11613412
.02% of the population except for mormons which lost their radical edges 130 years ago

>> No.11613636

>>11613629
amish are duplicating their population every 20 years retard.

there will be 300 million amish by 2100.

>> No.11613639

>>11613629
>When you pretend like you know about something you don't really know about
Seriously, read a fucking book.

>> No.11613644

>>11613591
It's not useful since humanity has never and will never learn from history. Sure I wish we would, but history proves we are incapable of it.

>> No.11613652

>>11613575
>A shit ton of americans voted for a socialist.
and that's a good thing

>> No.11613656

>>11613281
Dumb people fail to realize the beauty and value of the humanities. I might not give a shit about humanities because I acknowledge that I'm a working class rube, but it is important that people continue to curate the arts and our cultural history, at the end of the day, it might be the only thing we have left to cling to as a species. It's important for our future leaders to know this stuff. For us worker drones yes it has no value.

>> No.11613972

>>11613338
STEM is literally just memorizing formulas. Meanwhile humanities require independent thinking. Most scientists are retards

>> No.11613983

>>11613391
This, as a humanities student I am appalled at how shitty authors both my classmates and the writers of the course material are. I can only imagine then how bad it must be in STEM

>> No.11613990

>>11613419
Identity. Without history, personal or as a society, we are basically automatons. Besides, whoever writes the past, controls the future

>> No.11613999

>>11613281
Because pop-sci thinks philosophy is dead

>> No.11614025

>>11613419
Kek, who said anything about benefitting humanity? It benefits the historian. By manipulating how people view the past you can exert great influence on the present

>> No.11614137

>>11613281
Because humanities degrees don't pay the bills. Humanities studies are worthwhile pursuits for the lessons they have to teach about humanity, but don't be so stupid as to drop all the money on a degree with a negative return just to pick up the knowledge at the library for free. And yes, it has to be about the money because you're the one footing the bill for your degree.

Best Matt Damon impression: "You dropped $150,000 on a fucking education you could've gotten for a dollar-fifty in late charges at the public library."

TLDR: STEM majors don't disrespect the humanities. They disrespect anyone dumb enough to think that they need a college degree in the humanities while simultaneously thinking they deserve an engineer's salary.

>> No.11614159

Anyone who is actually intelligent likes both of them

>> No.11614162

>>11614137
>Best Matt Damon impression: "You dropped $150,000 on a fucking education you could've gotten for a dollar-fifty in late charges at the public library."

the perspective of someone who does not or will not consider the social element of education. can you sit in isolation and grind through textbook after textbook? yes. will you? of course not. it's not a reasonable expectation.

>> No.11614165

>>11614159
Exactly this.

>> No.11614175

>>11614162
Sure thing, lazy. Enjoy your English degree and your memories of having a social life at college. Make sure to make my french fries extra crispy, you know how I like them.

>> No.11614188

>>11614162
>it's not a reasonable expectation

Spoken like every other crybaby who could never cut it in STEM.

>> No.11614196

>>11614188

i grind through plenty of textbooks alone. it's a lonely experience. most people will not. it's certainly not a strategy that someone can thrive on.

>> No.11614200

>>11614175
Bro chill, let's just agree to disagree.

>> No.11614205

>>11614188
>Implying
I got 144 IQ, I just find math to extremely boring. Perhaps due to how it is taught in school. The reward for completing one problem is... another problem! At least humanities have a satisfactory payoff of a completed work

>> No.11614206

>>11614196

>i grind through plenty of textbooks alone. it's a lonely experience.

https://www.adoptapet.com/dog-adoption

>> No.11614210

>>11613281
because humanities is brainlet shit you can easily teach yourself. Imagine going 50k in debt for a liberal fucking arts degree just so you can work at some coffee shop in san francisco serving faggots and hipsters just so you can barely afford to live in an aprtment with 5 other faggot hipsters.

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>>11614210
>>11614175
>paying for college
imagine being stuck in the LOS UNIDOS.

cope more.

>> No.11614217

>>11614210
>Imagine living in a shithole without free education
In Norway I get paid for studying humanities. Seethe harder Mutt

>> No.11614223

>>11614217
Exactly, get a paid vacation where you chill with some books for five years. Hardly time wasted

>> No.11614241

>>11614205

> I just find math to extremely boring. Perhaps due to how it is taught in school.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. If someone wanted to intentionally turn off as many young students to mathematics as possible, they would develop curricula exactly as they are now. Math isn't torture, it's ecstasy. Math isn't about numbers and formulas, it's about ideas. Math, properly understood, is not the robotic ritual of solving for x. It is by far the most creative, most rewarding activity available to human beings. Dig down deeply enough into anything at all, and you'll find math at its core. Reality is how math feels. Like you, I wish the general public was at least aware that math is not schoolwork. If you had a bad experience growing up, that's your teacher's fault, not yours.

> The reward for completing one problem is... another problem! At least humanities have a satisfactory payoff of a completed work

That's one perspective. Another might be that mathematicians will always have something to do, that the depths of truth are inexhaustible and always open to plumbing from inquiring minds. At the end my lifetime, at least, I expect to look out over the vast ocean of math and marvel at the infinity of things we still don't know, grateful that I and the greater mathematical community was able to grasp a small part of the wider tapestry.

>> No.11614245

>>11614210
>you can easily teach yourself
Yeah I disagree with this you definitely need a professor to guide you or else you are not going to know what the fuck you are doing and you are going to be talking about shit you don't know about. Autodidacts are a meme,

>> No.11614264

>>11614245
Partly. But obviously a lot of professor interactions are just filler

>> No.11614426

>>11613972
>humanities require independent thinking
Why don't you try discussing the link between genetics and IQ with a humanities professor, and then come back and tell us all how open minded they were? The left (i.e. humanities) is absolutely vicious to any one that shows even the merest hint of dissent from an extremely narrow set of beliefs.

>> No.11614440

Because it's all made up and fake.
Even more so than physics.

>> No.11614447

>>11613972
>STEM is literally just memorizing formulas

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11614468

>>11613972
>STEM is literally just memorizing formulas. Meanwhile humanities require independent thinking. Most scientists are retards
Sure. Critical thinking isn't needed in STEM

>> No.11614481

>>11613281
i respect the arts

>> No.11614483

>>11614426
Bad example desu: lots of kike/soÿ “””scientists””” also deny IQ

>> No.11614607

>>11614440
everything is made up

>> No.11615638

>>11613297
Science? You mean natural philosophy? If you want to draw a coherent distinction between science and humanities you're probably going to make it epistemologically, which is itself decidedly a domain of philosophy. How do you slide up the disciplines so that they aren't relevant to each other?

>> No.11616036

>>11613281
I respect the humanities. I don't respect humanities departments

>> No.11616120

>>11614426
Guess that's why the scientists ostracized the discoverer of DNA. Most historians are right-wing

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11616131

>>11614025
Example please.

>> No.11616196

As an admittedly ignorant stemfag it’s always seemed to me that philosophers don’t so much discover truths as mask hidden assumptions and gaps in their systems of thought by use of obscure terminology. It just doesn’t seem rigorous and I don’t see see how it even could be, as a philosopher has to somehow develop the foundations required to do philosophy by means of philosophy...
Am I making sense to anybody?

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11616201

>>11613281
Humanities, as a BACHELORS DEGREE is completely fucking pointless. You can learn all of that shit on your own time. There is nothing to be furthered, and it is almost completely for each individuals' personal development.

Humanities is for leisure. Science & Mathematics are pragmatic.

>> No.11616243

>>11613419
>Show me one thing that you gained from studying history that benefits humanity?
Humanity still exists

>> No.11616248

>>11616196
There is no "rigour" in philosophy, not the mathematical kind anyway. Never mind the reasoning, it's impossible even at the level of definitions; many fundamental terms in philosophy just cannot have a single definition acceptable to everybody in the field. This has been going on for 2500 years since we started this shit.
But philosophy doesn't really claim to be an objective science most of the time, and it also doesn't claim to have discovered grand objective truth unless the author is a lunatic (unfortunately common). Philosophy's just a liberal art like the rest of them.

Although I think it's a really common misperception that "obscure terminology" or empty sophistry is a huge problem in philosophy. What you're reading is specialized technical language in the field. No one would try to read a postgraduate level math text with no background and then conclude that since they can't understand the language it's all just meaningless woo hidden behind all these obscure "rings of differential operators" and "braided monoidal categories", but this happens absolutely constantly in philosophy. Totally untrained people will pick up a technical text intended for other philosophers and then bitch that it's complicated.

>> No.11616286

>>11613281
because you are literally making up shit

>> No.11616320

>>11613281
A lot of people in STEM are insectoid bugmen who don’t understand what it is to be human. To them, the humanities are an inefficient waste of time.

>> No.11616322

>>11616248
Can you recommend a book/essay/series of lectures that examines the limits of what philosophy is in a sensible way then? To me this seems like the first thing any philosopher should tackle or at least acknowledge but all of the books I’ve tried to read jump right into their subject matter and from what I can tell ignore this question. I find it hard to believe there is consensus considering the differences in thought between philosophers on basically everything else. Sorry if this comes across as disjointed and idiotic, I just don’t really understand how to engage with philosophy properly, hence my request.

>> No.11616362

>>11613421
like what?
Fall of Qing, Aztec, Inca, Byzantine and Roman empires?
Yeah, thank god we learned that foreign invaders that can't destroy empire military power are still able to weaken and destroy it from within by other means.
And because we all know this, it won't happen to us.
Oh wait...

>> No.11616370

>>11616322
>Can you recommend a book/essay/series of lectures that examines the limits of what philosophy is in a sensible way then?
Adventures of Ideas by Alfred North Whitehead
What is Philosophy? by Gilles Deleuze

>> No.11616380

>>11616370
I’ll check these out, thanks anon.

>> No.11616434

>>11614025
yeah im sure you have great political power, you delusional cunt

>> No.11616440

>>11616243
humanity existed for a 100000 years and before that

>> No.11616462

>>11614241
thank you based mathbro, i just finished calc 1 and it completely changed my intuition about many things.

>> No.11616600

>>11613281
Because the humanities forgot God first.

>> No.11616635

>>11613281
Lack of quality control in those fields.

>> No.11616712

>>11613281
There's a difference between humanities in and of themselves, and humanities degrees or departments.
There's nothing wrong with the arts, but people just don't value either the departments or people with degrees. That's why you can expect a much lower salary with a lit degree than with any engineering one. Society has collectively decided that you're a lot less useful.
You went and decided on your own that you want to do something that people don't value, purely for your own pleasure/laziness, and then you expect respect? Why?

>> No.11616834

I’m studying physics and i respect philosophy, but that’s it. Physics wouldn’t exist without philosophy.

>> No.11616860

>>11613281
This is a question for the humanities people: >>>/his/
Quite disrespectful or just plain stupid to assume it belongs on /sci/.

>> No.11616919

>>11613281
i think linguistics and history are the only legit ones