/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11604375]

Controversial positions thread. ITT post your /sci/-related controversial positions. They can include both beliefs (things that have an objective answer as to whether they are true or false, i.e. "this QM interpretation correctly describes objective reality") and opinions (things that are merely a matter of preference, i.e. "this notation is dumb as fuck").

I'll start with mine:
>.9...≠1
>not all .9... are equal to each other
>if you don't understand hyperreals, you need to fuck off out of .9... threads
>SRT and GRT are false
>Copenhagen Interpretation and MWI are both false
>matrix notation is retarded
>academia is kiked and should not be supported; support private research institutions instead
>people that say "demonstrably so" are egotistical pseudointellectuals
>people that say "QED" at the end of a proof are egotistical pseudointellectuals
>people that say "infinitely many" instead of "infinity" are in theory pseudointellectuals, but this is so pervasive that most people just say it because they jumped on the bandwagon after a few pseudointellectuals started saying it many years ago
>Pythagoras is based as fuck
>algebra is cooler than geometry
>calculus is cooler than trigonometry
>dot products and cross products are kinda weird
>gravitons exist
>gravity is a fundamental force
>ether exists but not necessarily with all of the specific attributes attributed to it by contemporary or historical scientific theories
>space and time are quantized
>"spacetime" is a dumb word that should not exist

[Anonymous No.11604379]

OP here and let me add two more.
>unironic use of the word 'pseud' is cringe as fuck, but use of the word 'pseudointellectual' (as an adjective or as a noun) is not at all cringe
>pic related is cool as fuck

[Anonymous No.11604439]

>Anthropogenic climate change is real and poses a serious and immediate threat to humanity

[Anonymous No.11604447]

>>11604439
OP here. I am inclined to agree.

[Anonymous No.11604457]

>>11604375
"Fundamental particles" will be found to be divisible, ad infinitum.

[Anonymous No.11604461]

>>11604457
So you believe that matter is not quantized? Is it a philosophical position, or one based upon physics evidence? Of course either reason would be valid, I'm just curious.

[Anonymous No.11604467]

>>11604375

Michelson Morley and largely Einstein as well, were smoke screens to prevent physics understand during nasant development of rocket weapons: the UK spread a lie that carrots improve eyesight to hide development of radar (and that lie still persists!) imagine what lies were spread to ofuscate physics to prevent rival nations from developing rocket weapons and especially the atom bomb.

So the reality: aether IS real. It is an infinite perfect computational "fluid". Yes you really can simulate it in an Excel Spreadsheet: the unified equation can be simulated in fucking MS Excel. The Universe at a base level is simple fluid mechanics that gets emergently complex as the motion optimizes.

Does that mean there is no more mystery? No more religion? Fuck no. The implications of this, if true, are more far out than any human religion ever predicted...

[Anonymous No.11604481]

>>11604457

Yep. Why tf would the Universe have a floor? Does it have a cage as well? No.

[Anonymous No.11604487]

>>11604461

Not OP but a unified equation being symetrical cannot have a floor. The universe is ratio based, not unit based. This is hard for the human mind to grasp but consider MineCraft: an infinite procedural world running on finite hardware, and yet the Universe hardware is not even finite. This Universe is truly infinite.

[Anonymous No.11604500]

>>11604457
>>11604481

Cyclical floor; eg divide particle 1 and you get particle 2, and divide particle 2 and you get particle 1

[Anonymous No.11604514]

>>11604461
I would like to believe that the universe has a nice gridlike shape that quanta snap between, but it doesnt jive with my (non-academic layperson) intuition.
I would go further and join the "our universe is a particle in a bigger universe", and "singularities, if they exist and aren't math errors, are big bang events and black hole accretion causes expansion of the universe inside the singularity" bandwagons
>>11604481
Yeah infinite space, at every scale.

[Anonymous No.11604525]

>>11604500

Why would dividing one particle result in anything other than 2 particles?

Please understand, we are in a no crazy idea thread: looking at a galaxy through a telescope the galaxy appears to spin slowly, but in really it is spinning insanely fast. Shrink that galaxy down to atomic scale while conserving motion and you will find that it is spinning exactly as fast as an atom. Exactly.

Waiting for even one person in "Academia" with the balls to say this outloud. I know the University System was financied by the Church. Infact "University" is a word derived from the translation of Catholic... but... GROW SOME FUCK BALLS

[Anonymous No.11604531]

>>11604467
based as all fuck

[Anonymous No.11604533]

>>11604525

And by this I mean, the Universe IS an infinite fractal. Period. The Church can still get their pay, no one gives af. We do this because we are knowedge pioneers, not because we're out to steal some old decrepit old fucks bags.

[Anonymous No.11604546]

Chemical bonds, quarks binding to form protons, etc., should be considered primitive instances of "life"

[Anonymous No.11604567]

>>11604546

Correct.

A base algorithm for energy-matter is optimization. All that does not optimize is replaced by an energy-matter system that is does. This is so fundamental that Darwinian evolution itself is a product of it. Evolution optimized to accellerate the process.

This means that life, and our, true ancestor is all energy-matter, full stop.

[Anonymous No.11604572]

>>11604457
I hadn't really thought about it but now you mention it that would be the most annoying and tedious way for things to go so it is therefore probably true

[Anonymous No.11604577]

>>11604375
Space-time is a 0-dimensional discrete metric space.

[Anonymous No.11604589]

>>11604577

Go on...

[Anonymous No.11604684]

>All Quantum everything is bullshit
>Gravity is magnetism

[Anonymous No.11604695]

>>11604525
>looking at a galaxy through a telescope the galaxy appears to spin slowly, but in really it is spinning insanely fast. Shrink that galaxy down to atomic scale while conserving motion and you will find that it is spinning exactly as fast as an atom. Exactly.

[Anonymous No.11604721]

I believe there are clusters or bundles of nerves, outside the brain, that are capable of their own thoughts, memories, and cognition. I believe they usually lay in a dormant or in a sleeping state for most of the time we're awake, and when they are awake the throughput to the main brain is very limited, so they can only pass along limited feeling or emotions, or they can sometimes communicate a more complicated idea over a very long period of time, in the order of days. This process may be so slow and tedious that it may not even register with us on on a conscious level.

[Anonymous No.11604782]

>>11604721
>see: dr. Strangelove's hand

[Anonymous No.11604784]

Roughly ordered from least crazy to most crazy.
>/sci/ is probably in the bottom 10 boards in terms of average intelligence
>logic/set theory notation is dumb
>commonly used notation for calculus is retarded
>adults vastly underestimate the complexity of concepts that children are capable of grasping
>the universe is deterministic
>plank-anything is useless and should not exist
This >>11604457
>photons have mass
>time is no different from any other dimension
>there are infinite dimensions to the universe
>The universe doesn't have a beginning or end
>some reports of ET visitations/abductions are true

[Anonymous No.11604859]

>>/sci/ is probably in the bottom 10 boards in terms of average intelligence
Yes
>>logic/set theory notation is dumb
Probably
>>commonly used notation for calculus is retarded
Meh
>>adults vastly underestimate the complexity of concepts that children are capable of grasping
Probably
>>the universe is deterministic
Nope
>>plank-anything is useless and should not exist
Nope
>This >>11604457
Nope
>>photons have mass
Wouldn't surprise me too much
>>time is no different from any other dimension
You're retarded
>>there are infinite dimensions to the universe
You're retarded
>>The universe doesn't have a beginning
You're retarded
>or end
Maybe
>>some reports of ET visitations/abductions are true
Obviously

[Anonymous No.11604930]

>>11604721
Just wanted to add,
I know this sounds insane, hence this thread, but starfish limbs all operate with their own brains.
This proves it's possible for parallel brains to work together. Exactly how much nerve tissue do you need clumped together for it to start thinking on it's own? Do we even know how the process of how a group of neurons in the brain start thinking on their own in the 1st place? Why is it far fetched to think the same thing couldn't happen to a much lesser extent somewhere else in the body? Perhaps it's so much a lesser extent that it gets drowned out and ignored by the brain. What if we're quiet enough, and sensitive enough, and listen, could may develop a connection. I feel like this may be what some monks experience in deep mediation.

[Anonymous No.11604938]

>>11604375
Humans are capable of experiencing different speeds of time simultaneously, implying the brain is compartmentalized rather than a single entity

[Anonymous No.11604944]

>>11604375
I believe every constant in the universe has a geometric origin. Pi is what it is and can't be anything else because of the shape a circle has. I believe the same applies to other constants.

[Anonymous No.11604994]

>>11604944
What about 49068420628626.294062806286-02689-2
?
thats a consonant

[Anonymous No.11605134]

OP here I also don't believe in the 2nd law of thermodynamics and I don't believe in superposition or wavefunction collapse

[Anonymous No.11606186]

bump

[Anonymous No.11606203]

Need someone to screen share and give me the answers to my chem test this tuesday (1 hr). $30 reward in monero.
discord: _____#3678

[Anonymous No.11606610]

computer-brain interfaces will become commonplace and you will have to get both physical vaccines and the most recent security updates if you want to go into public places.

[Anonymous No.11606648]

>>11604467

[Anonymous No.11606661]

>>11604467
>The implications of this, if true, are more far out than any human religion ever predicted

This is where you fucked up. This is what the religions were always about, this is the esoteric knowledge coded into them for initiates to learn

[Anonymous No.11606818]

>>11606610
>turn on TV
>tv emits encoded light waves that enter your ocular cavities and hijack your thoughts

so, how is this any different from what Fox News does?

[Anonymous No.11607872]

>>11606661

I have no problem with that. Taoism in particular is almost a literal description of the "perfect fluid". Meanwhile the Scripture is awesome are parable for it - and of course Jesus Christ spoken in parable - the earth and heavens made of the liquid firmament and then separated into different catagories... creation pulled up from the infinite depth... life made from the same substance as the Earth and heavens, before being molded and optimimized into the DNA subset that contains humanity...

[Anonymous No.11608121]

Consistently banning schizo threads when?

I think there's already a general for your types. Also a board: >>>/x/

[Anonymous No.11608723]

>>11604375
>matrix notation is retarded
what year are you in ?

[Anonymous No.11608730]

>>11604375
The rockefeller foundation funded the scientists on the side of inherent probabilism at copenhagen because they are trying to maintain belief in the possibility of free will and energy scarcity

[Anonymous No.11608741]

>>11607872
Read the kybalion and the secret doctrine lad, you will enjoy them. Then you will see things with fresh eyes

[Anonymous No.11608762]

All standard cosmology that is accepted by physicists and scientists is true. Meaning, there is no grand "conspiracy" to "hide the truth" from the masses, GR, SR, quantum mechanics are all true theories and how the universe actually works.

Electric universe is pseudoscience believed by retards who don't understand mathematics and replace actual understanding of math with numerology bullshit. It's usually motivated by anti semitism and not an actual desire to understand how the universe works.

God exists and created the universe with the big bang, I don't know why though.

[Anonymous No.11608767]

>>11608762
Based and flouridated npc

[Anonymous No.11608775]

>>11608767
I am the only playable character that exists, everyone else is fake and exists only to make my life/game more entertaining.

[Anonymous No.11608790]

I support Janus cosmological model
https://januscosmologicalmodel.com/

[Anonymous No.11608807]

>>11608730
Inherent probability doesn't imply free will. Also, QM are inherently probabilistic it is not a limit to our equipment and if you understood how the experiments are performed you would understand why this is the case.
Watch this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ3bPUKo5zc

[Anonymous No.11608835]

>>11608807
>inherent probabilism doesnt imply free will
Maybe thats why i wrote maintain belief in the possibility of free you illiterate retard

That video is not evidence for inherent probabilism it is a model derived from the unwarranted assumption of the existence of inherently probabilistic characteristics of reality. There is no evidence for probabalisitic characteristics of reality. There isnt an experiment you can do to get evidence for probabilism because you cannot attribute variance between prediction and result to inherent probabilism before measurement error regardless of if we occupy an inherently probabilistic or determenistic universe.

[Anonymous No.11608872]

>>11608835
No, you are wrong and coping determinist. The circumstantial evidence from the various experiments eliminate underlying deterministic causality from possibility.
There is no leap of faith that you are implying there is.

[Anonymous No.11608875]

I'm pretty straight-edge on virtually all science topics but I really like panpsychism

[Anonymous No.11608881]

>>11605134
>I don't believe in superposition
I don't believe you understand what you don't believe in.

[Anonymous No.11608889]

>>11608872
You are the one who is coping. You are adding inherent probabilism when there's no evidence of it and it is not necessary to explain the results of the experiment.
Its not science

[Anonymous No.11608896]

>>11608790
...which means dark matter is negative-mass matter...

https://januscosmologicalmodel.com/negativemass

[Anonymous No.11608975]

>>11608896
Antimatter is still not known whether it behaves like normal matter in gravity.
Given that matter and antimatter annihilate on contact doesn't that complete negate the runaway paradox?
There's a lot more out there than the observable universe and by all reasoning it should be half filled with antimatter (Baryon asymmetry problem may just be a localised view) which could easily explain the expansion that doesn't fit within current models.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryon_asymmetry

[Anonymous No.11609013]

>>11608889
There is only evidence of it in every experiment that has ever been conducted in every field of science, from classical mechanics to chemistry to quantum mechanics.
There has literally never been a single experiment that has shown deterministic behavior. Determinism is a philosophy that asserts that determinism exists a priori despite the fact that it has never been observed in any empirical observation EVER.
Determinism is not science.

[Anonymous No.11609018]

>>11609013
>he doesn't know the 9 code

[Anonymous No.11609023]

>>11609018
The 9 code is pseudo science numerology for low IQ people who are incapable of understanding actual math and who believe that Tesla was smarter than he actually is. It is not actual mathematics and it doesn't actually have any causal or deterministic effects on matter or the universe.
It's as real as Santa Clause.

[Anonymous No.11609131]

>>11609023
nah it is the great filter, surprise you are a retard so stfu when grown folks are talking

[Anonymous No.11609181]

>>11604525
>spinning exactly as fast as an atom. Exactly.
My little pee-pee is getting hard again. Got some source?

[Anonymous No.11609206]

>>11609131
Lmfao
>n-no it's the g-great filter, you're d-dumb
Absolutely pathetic.
I am far smarter than you and more educated. Here's a tip, faggot: if your numerology only works in one base system, it's trash numerology hogwash.

[Anonymous No.11609223]

>>11609206
Absolutely seething brainlet, try lgbt I think they talk about things that are more your speed and interest

[Anonymous No.11609229]

>>11604721
"Gut feelings"; and the experience of memory when tension from an old trauma is released during bodywork treatments;

>>11604930
You don't need to be in deep meditation, just as you say, be quiet, and listen. Some psychotherapies have ways of guiding you into a communication with parts of your body and the information stored there.

>how much nerve tissue do you need clumped together for it to start thinking on it's own?
A lot. Don't confuse the reality of your suggestions with "thought" in the region.

[Anonymous No.11609273]

>>11609223
Lmfao still no argument and nothing but cope and insults. You're pathetic.
Show a single experiment where the "9 code" predicts and explains observed phenomena, with mathematical rigour and not numerology trash.

[Anonymous No.11609316]

>>11606661
Yeah but religions never predicted the scientific potential of the idea of the aether because they didn't have the concept 'science'.

How is describing a quantum 'field' different than describing an etheric 'field'. Except for one being a mathematical proposition and one being an experiential one. If there is a difference and anyone can enlighten me without being a dick, please do.

>>11604467
>the unified equation can be simulated in fucking MS Excel. The Universe at a base level is simple fluid mechanics that gets emergently complex

The osteopath WG Sutherland who devised the cranial approach uses the term 'fluids' for the experience of the fields which are perceived as being fundamental to life.

OP, my 'controversial position' would be: advances in quantum mechanics, particularly in the field of quantum biology, are going to explain and mirror the reported experience of mystics and healers. These advances will remove any shred of the remains of materialism/physicalism in science and lead to better understandings in biology, psychology, consciousness, and the possibility of sentient AI.

[Anonymous No.11609328]

>>11609316
Mate the masters of the past used the aether at will to shape reality, to create matter. Do a little more research before you judge what the ancients knew

try the emerald tablets of thoth, they knew more than you can even imagine
http://esotericawakening.com/the-emeralds-tablets-of-thoth

You just started down this road and have a lot to learn still mate

[Anonymous No.11609349]

>>11609328
Nice bit of projection there, but if it helps your ego, carry on.

[Anonymous No.11609383]

>>11604379
Wind going through a ventilation fan and being converted into time?

[Anonymous No.11609385]

>>11609349
>projection

you wouldn't even be discussing this topic if it weren't for me kiddo but back at ya if it boosts your ego and what not. I really don't care honestly

[Anonymous No.11609427]

>>11609385
LOL u mad bro?

[Anonymous No.11609438]

>>11609427
you have to be 18 to post here, go back to crunchyroll and come back when you are a big boy

[Anonymous No.11609449]

>>11608975
Antimater with negative mass

[Anonymous No.11609496]

>>11609438
Stupid troll.

[Anonymous No.11609559]

>>11604784
>adults vastly underestimate the complexity of concepts that children are capable of grasping

this. I worked with kids for a while, and if you treat them with the same respect as adults they are capabale of understanding almost anything average adults can

[Anonymous No.11609575]

>>11608730
Free Will doesn't exist. If you were destined to do something, or if you flip a coin to randomly decide, in both cases you never had a real choice.

[Anonymous No.11609586]

>>11604375
bait. plus anyways you're too retarded to realize that your image there is also pseudoscience. bending of space through gravity is a 3d effect which can only be visualized by 4d entities and your picture is simply a 2d representation.

[Anonymous No.11609596]

>>11604577
what do you even think a dimension is im honestly curious to know

[Anonymous No.11609606]

>>11604525
>divide proton into quarks
>not two particles
Hmm

[Anonymous No.11609693]

>economics is not science
>women are of equal intelligence to men
>climate change is real
>the humanities and the sciences are of equal
>the lower frequency of eminent female scientists can be attributed to patriarchy downplaying the achievements of women, and discouraging or preventing women from studying science in the first place
>vaccinations don't cause autism
>patriarchy continues to exist in the present day, and is responsible for the gender disparity in STEM students
>race is a social construct, not a biological or genealogical one
>differences in average IQs of the races is entirely explained by environment and a history (and present reality) of white supremacy
>SJWs are preferable to nazis
>gender studies is a real and worthwhile discipline

[Anonymous No.11609696]

>>11609693
mess one up somehow, 4th one down was meant to be
>the humanities and the sciences are of equal worth

[Anonymous No.11609899]

>>11609693

[Anonymous No.11609975]

>>11605134
Brainlet.

[Anonymous No.11609979]

>biology is the easiest discipline in which to get a phd

[Anonymous No.11609984]

>>11609693
>SJWs are preferable to nazis
You just went full retard. Also, economics is a science.

[Anonymous No.11610172]

>>11609984
yes if you're talking about marxism-leninism, no if you're talking about anything else

[Anonymous No.11610179]

>>11610172

[Anonymous No.11610273]

>>11609013
This complete bullshit because of measurement there cant be evidence of probabilism, its not something that can be measured.
The truth of science is rated by predictive utility determinism is by definition more predictive than probabilism. for the third time there can be no evidence for probabilistic characteristics of reality as it is always a lie to attribute an experimental result to inherent probabilism before measurement error unless you have a measuring device with infinite accuracy.
Science can not prove probabalism you are a fucking retard

[Anonymous No.11610403]

>>11610273
bell's inequalities prove you wrong

[Anonymous No.11610415]

>>11610273
Why are you arguing with someone this stupid? This dude is a legit retard, like arguing with someone about the sky being blue/ When a schizo is gaslighting saying heat isnt hot why in the fuck would you take them serious after that? Dude is ape tier retarded

[Anonymous No.11610458]

>>11610403
>bell's inequality is evidence of probabilistic characteristics of reality
nope

[Anonymous No.11610481]

>>11610273
Again, all you are doing here is going "determinism is true because it makes more sense for science to be based in determinism rather than probability".
You are philosophically saying determinism is true a priori, despite the fact that no determinism has ever been recorded in any experiment that has ever been conducted.
Determinism is pseudo science trash, it isn't true and there is no evidence for it.
>>11610415
You literally belive in the "9 code" and can't even write with proper grammar. You write with run on sentences and unironically believe in numerology.
You are a stupid fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.11610489]

>>11610481
No i'm not I'm saying there can be no evidence for probabilistic characteristics of reality as it is always a lie to attribute an experimental result to inherent probabilism before measurement error unless you have a measuring device with infinite accuracy.

[Anonymous No.11610490]

>>11604375
>algebra is cooler than geometry
It's algebra that makes geometry cool.

>calculus is cooler than trigonometry
trigonometry has no relevance anymore.

Other controversial positions
> theoretical compsci is a very interesting subfield of maths
> pure mathematicians can't calculate
> filters and ultrafilters are a meme

[Anonymous No.11610491]

>>11610481
>Determinism is pseudo science trash
cause and effect is pseudo science. kys brainlet

[Anonymous No.11610501]

>>11610415
his arguments are so shit they do the opposite of what he intends.

[Anonymous No.11610569]

>>11610490
>> theoretical compsci is a very interesting subfield of maths
>> pure mathematicians can't calculate
>> filters and ultrafilters are a meme
all VERY true

[Anonymous No.11610585]

>>11604375
>>.9...≠1
Stopped right there. You're confirmed retarded.

[Anonymous No.11610586]

Project Marauder was incredibly successful and DARPA sent it to a black site/national to be further improved upon. It makes no sense how it just fucking disappeared, I’m confident they have been working on it for the last 3 decades and there’s some general just waiting to whip out his high energy toroidal plasma thrower.

[Anonymous No.11610707]

Most subatomic matter does not exist; elementary particles are just models for the unpredictable behavior of atoms and have no independent existence, with the possible exception of photons.

Whether any matter exists outside of the mind is impossible to answer; the most we can do is isolate the quanta of human consciousness and label them as particles and waves.

There are no laws of physics, only behavior. No law of physics states the facts of reality or even comes close to approximating the truth.

Reality is about process. Physics is only about structure. It is, in fact, only an investigation into the structure of human consciousness. It is a fantasy to engage in speculation about mind-independent reality.

The computational physics paradigm is much closer to "stating the facts" of reality than pure physics alone, as it actually tracks process and not just structure.

Time is a mental phenomenon, not a physical one. There is no arrow of time. Eternalism is true.

The idea of a "Theory of Everything" is riddled with intractable philosophical problems and will never see the light of day.

[Anonymous No.11610837]

>>11605134
OP how do you not believe in the 2nd law of thermodynamics, that doesn't even make sense

[Anonymous No.11611249]

>>11610586
This is undoubtedly true and I’m not even a conspiracy tard
“Ok it worked. Time to shut down the project” like ok lmao

[Anonymous No.11611764]

>>11610837
It is literally impossible for entropy to eternally increase. Do you seriously think that reality itself will go infinitely into the future but is only a few billion years old? Maximum entropy has been reached before in a universe but it cannot last. Non-chaotic conscious disproves the second law of thermodynamics. Also, let's say the entire universe is a pile of 100 blue atoms and a pile of 100 red atoms (yea we are pretending atoms can be colors and sit in piles like bouncy balls, bear with me). Over time they mingle until they are even dispersed among each other. But over time, eventually, every possible permutation will happen, including all the atoms separating by color - purely by chance. So even by chance alone, entropy will sometimes decrease. And you can't seriously believe it will increase forever because then why does the universe exist, why is the universe not eternally fucked?

[Anonymous No.11612780]

>>11609383
If the wind is somehow moving in a helical pattern

[Anonymous No.11612788]

Young earth creationism has a mountain of observational evidence backing it and macroevolution has very little, yet the scientific community continues to shun people like Dr. Hovind who point these facts out.

[Anonymous No.11612792]

>>11604439
well duh

[Anonymous No.11612794]

>>11604684
based

[Anonymous No.11612805]

>>11604375
>matrix notation is retarded
please explain why