/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11598593]

All these orders to wear masks are retarded. 99 out of 100 normalfags dont even know how to use it right. Dont understand cross contamination, reuse the same mask over and over, take it off in the car, will wear it inside a building with other people not wearing a mask and then get into the same car with those same people and take the mask off. The whole thing is silly. Just wash your hands and don't touch anything. Its not that hard.

[Anonymous No.11598617]

It's true that most people can't use them well, but it's also true that it affects only them, it's still good at avoiding others to get infected by them.
So they think to protect themselves instead they protect the others, the result is good anyway for the mass.
Involuntary altruistic we could say.

[Anonymous No.11598637]

>>11598593
you’re the one who doesn’t understand. The primary infection path of Coronavirus is aerosoled moisture from the lungs. Wearing a mask as you described, reusing it and touching it, “cross contaminating” it STILL greatly reduces your ability to project pathogens into the air. Nothing about a basic bitch surgical mask even remotely protects you, but it does have some effect on protecting others from you.

[Anonymous No.11598695]

>>11598637
>it STILL greatly reduces your ability to project pathogens into the air
This.
Why do redditor retards like OP parrot WHO disinfo and act like using a mask is literal rocket science?

[Anonymous No.11598760]

>>11598593
>reuse the same mask over and over
It's literally impossible not to do this since they're sold out everywhere.

[Anonymous No.11598776]

>>11598637
lmao why the fuck would I want to minimize spread to other people?
I want to avoid THEM giving it to ME, not ME giving it to THEM because I'm not them; I'm me.

[Anonymous No.11598784]

>>11598695
Why would the WHO lie to me? The WHO is an organization. Organizations are always good.

Unless they're bad, of course, but the WHO made funny tweets about how BLUMPF sucks, so how could they be bad?

>>11598776
Mask usage does reduce your chances of getting it. Even wearing an improvised mask does. Fucking pillowcases have a 95% absorption rate for airborne particles of the size of the virus. The trick is getting other people to wear them, however, so they don't spread them TO YOU. You're not protecting them, they're protecting you. But normies are dumb, so you have to hoodwink them.

[Anonymous No.11598785]

>>11598637
Literally HOW can a basic surgical mask lower the rate of effusion of aerosolized pathogens in one direction but not the other

[Anonymous No.11598792]

>>11598776
>I'm not them; I'm me.
>Bitch, I'm me, I'm me, bitch I'm me
>Baby, I'm me, so who you?
>**** you , you're not me
>And I know that ain't fair, but I don't care
>I'm a ************' Cash Money Millionaire
>I know that ain't fair, but I don't care
>I'm a motherfuckin' Cash Money Millionaire, bitch!

[Anonymous No.11598793]

>>11598785
Source(s):
Dude trust me

[Anonymous No.11598794]

>>11598637
this, OP is dumb

[Anonymous No.11598797]

>>11598637
>The primary infection path of Coronavirus is aerosoled moisture from the lungs
They can't even test for the damn virus properly and separate it from other coronaviruses with certainty. You're retarded if you believe anybody knows its "primary infection path". If it's so well understood, why are health care """""professionals""""" getting sick all the time? Shouldn't they be the least vulnerable?

[Anonymous No.11598805]

>>11598593
lmao I've made a habit of licking every single doorknob I come across for at least the past 25 years. My immune system is a high-performance pathogen eradication machine. Maskfags and immunelets btfo

[Anonymous No.11598814]

Does anyone else think wearing a mask is fucking disgusting? Once you talk your spit gets on it and you have to spend the whole day smelling your own spit.

[Anonymous No.11598826]

>>11598814
So brush your teeth or chew some fucking gum or something. Jesus Fucking Christ how autistic are you?

[Anonymous No.11598828]

>>11598785
>HOW can a basic surgical mask lower the rate of effusion of aerosolized pathogens in one direction but not the other
see
>>11598814
>spit gets on it and you have to spend the whole day smelling your own spit

That smell of your own spit is the aerosol that you would be spewing into the air. The that "spit in your mask" is what it's designed to filter. When you catch a wiff of someones bad breath, you're breathing the aerosolized spit from their mouth.
Also, brush your fucking teeth and use a breathmint if it's that bad.

[Anonymous No.11598850]

>>11598593
>it's working for 1 out of 100 people
>therefore stop doing it, since 0 is better than 1
Who's the real retard buddy?

[Anonymous No.11598858]

>>11598785
>>11598793
Because when you sneeze, cough, talk, et cetera; the saliva goes straight into the mask. On the other hand, when you breathe in, air follows the path of least resistance; even if the mask were a proper filter, it wouldn't protect you because it doesn't lock tightly to your face. You're supposed to know this already, since you're on this board (fuck you).

[Anonymous No.11598864]

>>11598858
>air follows the path of least resistance
How does air know which is the path of least resistance?

[Anonymous No.11598928]

>>11598858
>gas out in the world moving aimlessly as it does
>encounters anon's mask
>"hold it boys! This here's difficult terrain. Best find an alternate route "
>changes course to go around your mask
Surely some gas particles are less navigationally inclined than the ones in our story, right? Surely some don't spontaneously change their course but instead impact the mask right? Surely the rate at which pathogen laden gas particles going into your airway is lessened by virtue of wearing a mask, albeit not to the same extent the rate at which pathogen laden gas particles being expelled into the atmosphere is lessened by wearing a mask, right?

[Anonymous No.11598985]

>>11598928
Surely you got peer reviewed proof of everything you asked working that way, right? Post it or shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.11599004]

>>11598928
>mommy, can I eat a handful of those poisoned M&Ms?
>no Timmy, just eat one or two
>thanks mommy!

[Anonymous No.11599035]

>>11598637
>The primary infection path of Coronavirus is aerosoled moisture from the lungs
even your throat is filled with virus particles

>>11598785
tons of videos out there showing how air and saliva goes in directions other than to the people in front of you when you use a mask and cough.

[Anonymous No.11599038]

>>11599004
>food analogy
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.11599041]

>>11598776
You already have that solution, don't go outside.

[Anonymous No.11599081]

>>11599038
>utterly devastated by a /v/-tier argument
That speaks more about you than about other posters.

[Anonymous No.11599160]

>>11598985
>I am being asked to provide evidence gas particles don't move with rationality and intentionality

[Anonymous No.11599178]

>>11598617
but the whole point is to stop the spread, by improper mask use they're increasing their likelihood of catching the disease and the likelihood of passing it on

[Anonymous No.11599184]

>>11598637
>The primary infection path of Coronavirus is aerosoled moisture from the lungs
Source? I thought we didn't even know whether it could be passed via aerosol at all

[Anonymous No.11599190]

>>11599004
>mommy can I drink a liter of vodka?
>no timmy, but you may have 60mL
>thanks mommy!
>*enjoys himself*

[Anonymous No.11599194]

>>11599190
false equivalence because if even a single particle of coronavirus gets into your system you're 100% likely to get sick

[Anonymous No.11599198]

>>11599004
viral load matters

[Anonymous No.11599202]

>>11599194
bullshit

[Anonymous No.11599233]

>>11599194
Factually incorrect. "Viral load" has been widely reported at this point, so you should understand this by now if you didn't already - especially on a science board.

[Anonymous No.11599294]

>>11599233
whatever, trump supporter

[Anonymous No.11599318]

>>11598593
All these first worlders used to using new precious PPE every ten seconds for years. In my third world cuntry, we use the same PPE for a week straight and that’s how it’s always been.

[Anonymous No.11599435]

>>11599318
>In my third world cuntry, we use the same PPE for a week straight and that’s how it’s always been.
Wow I'm jealous

[Anonymous No.11599565]

The big issue is that people aren't just wearing masks, they're wearing shitty surgical masks and not n95 respirators while also doing stupid shit like touching their faces and rubbing their eyes after touching random surfaces all day. People think a mask is going to prevent them from getting sick because that's what they heard online but they know nothing about viruses and how they can infect you through any mucous membrane, yet these same people don't want to wear goggles.

I love watching people avoid me like the plague just because i'm not an idiot who doesn't need a mask because I actually know proper sanitizing methods.

[Anonymous No.11599923]

I bought some homemade cloth masks, but I also have a single N100 mask laying around. I guess I should try to save it for going places that are more high-risk, but how should I try to get as many uses out of it as possible? Can I just let it sit for 3+ days between uses? It seems like trying to disinfect it would damage it after just a couple of uses.

I also have a couple of pairs of goggles, does it make sense to wear them out in public? I can't wear my glasses with the goggles so I would rather not wear them if they're not actually going to do any good.

[Anonymous No.11600013]

>>11598776
it acts as a rectifier. a diode basically

[Anonymous No.11600019]

>>11600013
meant to reply to this >>11598785

[Anonymous No.11600020]

>>11599041
Got to go to work and get food, but PA has a mask order.

[Anonymous No.11600021]

>>11598695
Probably a Chinese disinformation agent.

>>11598784
Definitely a Chinese disinformation agent.

[Anonymous No.11600100]

>>11598776
>t. typical american
And they wonder why the world mocks them kek
Nah its totally about just your guns and freedums

[Anonymous No.11600362]

>>11600020
It's not enforced. I guarantee you it's not.

[Anonymous No.11600562]

>>11598593
>All these orders to wear masks are retarded. 99 out of 100 normalfags dont even know how to use it right.
It works in Asia. You're not saying Asians are smart enough to use masks correctly and other races aren't, are you?

[Anonymous No.11600588]

>>11598776
How to spot the MAGAtard.

[Anonymous No.11600971]

>>11598593
>medical professionals and their sycophants
>acting like they understand germ theory better than the average pleb
lmao
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/covid-19-hits-doctors-nurses-emts-threatening-health-system/2020/03/17/f21147e8-67aa-11ea-b313-df458622c2cc_story.html

[Anonymous No.11601109]

>>11598776
that is why you fail

[Anonymous No.11601207]

>>11598785
speed and concentration of aerosolized pathogens are going to feel some amount of inverse square falloff with distance. Wearing a mask would reduce your area of influence, so to speak, in both regards. On the other hand, if the air around your head is carrying virus-laden droplets, a mask that has gaps isn't going to prevent some of that from ending up in your lungs when you inhale.

>>11598864
pressure gradient retard

>>11598776
you live in a society m80

[Anonymous No.11601250]

>>11598593
>reuse the same mask over and over
only after cleaning it with soap and exposing under the sun. cant buy a new respirator everyday
>take it off in the car
if i'm the only one in the car and i'm going home surely
>Just wash your hands and don't touch anything
i already do that retard
>The whole thing is silly
you're the epitome of silliness
>>11598776
america in one post

[Anonymous No.11601258]

>>11600971
>overworked medical professionals reusing PPE while being constantly exposed to a new pathogen are getting infected
oh no how could that be

[Anonymous No.11601272]

>>11601258
>healthcare dipshits weren't getting prepared for a pandemic that scientists have been warning we were overdue about for years than acted like retards at the start of the pandemic saying it's a nothingburger flu and are now using ppe that has pores 230-250nm bigger than the virus which should be civilian issue
ftfy

[Anonymous No.11601281]

>>11601272
>muh eugene
who in the fuck cares about fucking eugene

[Anonymous No.11601292]

>>11601281
>implying i'm a partisan hack like you who waves around their party's flag like an emaciated donkey or elephant at the zoo
yeah sorry orange man whataboutism won't track. healthcare dipshits could've been complaining about that handbook not being put into place, but where were they this entire time? no fucking where. also why are you assuming that handbook wasn't more healthcare dipshit trash? i mean where was the dnc all of january and februrary? oh, that's right going on witch hunts against the one senator trying to sound the alarm.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/the-senator-who-saw-the-coronavirus-coming/

[Anonymous No.11601334]

>>11601292
>skepticism over the chinese response excuses western incompetence
kek did a nurse dump you or what

>implying i'm a partisan hack like you
i'm being partisan? damn then i shouldn't have named that pic "barack hussein obama" cause that was in vain

>whataboutism won't track
it tracks cause the healthcare dipshits and their sycophants were calling for pandemic exercises for a very long time

>where was the dnc all of january and februrary?
deciding between pocahontas, bern or biden?

[Anonymous No.11601346]

>>11601334
>skepticism over the chinese response excuses western incompetence
lol wut? the brainlets in healthcare are the first to believe china's bs figures. i knew they were shit long before these idiots and prepared accordingly.

>kek did a nurse dump you or what
no, i don't date retards. the healthcare system has branded me mentally ill because i have a much better understanding of germ theory than they ever will.

>it tracks cause the healthcare dipshits and their sycophants were calling for pandemic exercises for a very long time
not really. also how was i able to procure a hazmat suit as a grad student and they can't with their wages? if the govt won't provide for them they are really dumb af not to go out and get ready themselves. amazon is a click away. but alas they didn't and that is why you know they were just sitting in their crusty scrubs with their thumbs up their butts calling me a paranoid racist for buying ppe and mre shit.

>deciding between pocahontas, bern or biden?
and telling people they're racist for not going to china town:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFCzoXhNM6c
and their witch hunt against that aforementioned senator:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/the-senator-who-saw-the-coronavirus-coming/

[Anonymous No.11601386]

>>11601346
>the brainlets in healthcare are the first to believe china's bs figures.
there was actually a lot of skepticism (outside of the WHO), and now we know that their numbers were similar to those of australia, and some other places, so they weren't intentionally lying. beijing stopped the wuhan cover up on its tracks.

> how was i able to procure a hazmat suit as a grad student and they can't with their wages
they aren't allowed to work using their own gear.

>govt won't provide for them they are really dumb af
they weren't unprepared to an event like this one

>amazon is a click away
it doesn't work like that. they are now hoping to buy time that they don't have by imposing those quarantines, so as far as improvisation goes they are doing whatever they can

[Anonymous No.11601391]

>>11601346
>the brainlets in healthcare are the first to believe china's bs figures.
there was actually a lot of skepticism (outside of the WHO), and now we know that their numbers were similar to those of australia, and some other places, so they weren't intentionally lying. beijing stopped the wuhan cover up on its tracks.

> how was i able to procure a hazmat suit as a grad student and they can't with their wages
they aren't allowed to work using their own gear.

>govt won't provide for them they are really dumb af
they weren't prepared to an event like this one

>amazon is a click away
it doesn't work like that. they are now hoping to buy time that they don't have by imposing those quarantines, so as far as improvisation goes they are doing whatever they can

[Anonymous No.11601402]

>>11601391
>there was actually a lot of skepticism (outside of the WHO), and now we know that their numbers were similar to those of australia,
lol nope, not even close.
https://archive.is/5ZDm4
>By applying a correction, we predict that the number of cases is highly under-reported in most countries. In the case of China, it is estimated that more than 700.000 cases of COVID-19 actually occurred instead of the confirmed 80,932 cases as of 3/13/2020.

>they aren't allowed to work using their own gear.
pretty sure that rule would be waved in a time like this.

>they weren't prepared to an event like this one
which is why i say who are these retards to lecture anyone else about pandemics.

>it doesn't work like that.
except it does. it's where i got my mask when it was available.

>they are now hoping to buy time that they don't have by imposing those quarantines, so as far as improvisation goes they are doing whatever they can
and failing. what we should be doing is ramping up production of ppes to the max and have ppe distribution like taiwan does.

[Anonymous No.11601410]

>>11601334
>vid
Funny how they are acting like they're helping the situation after fucking it up completely and being the fault everyone is suffering right now.
This is not even good propaganda.

[Anonymous No.11601415]

>>11598785
Fucking hell dude. How many vectors of ENTRY for the virus are there on the human body compared to vectors of EJECTION? A lot more for entry.

There are two separate approaches you can take to spreading, suppress entry or suppress ejection. Surgical mask suppresses ejection vectors (nose/mouth). Reducing the the count and spread of the contaminated particles will effectively reduce those that can traverse successfully to another person's entry vectors (eyes, ears, cuts, nose, mouth, pp hole).

tl;dr wear a condom when you're blowing your boyfriend

[Anonymous No.11601440]

>>11601258

>makes stupid videos on the internet while humping walls, grabbing every surface and dragging along on the ground

They should be working instead of making internet videos. They should also have the common sense not to lick the hospital walls and floors in the middle of a pandemic

[Anonymous No.11601448]

>>11598776
I so fucking love the fact, that even on 4chan selfish cunts like you get bashed.

If the society is healthy YOU are safer and healthy.

[Anonymous No.11601473]

>>11601402
>By applying a correction, we predict that the number of cases is highly under-reported
the same is already happening to every other epicenter. the morgues are the first indication cause they are always the first to go. but there was no cover up after it reached beijing back in january

>retards to lecture anyone else about pandemics
like they probably had to do to convince the obama administration. you think doing this stuff is easy, not even bill gates could do it

>pretty sure that rule would be waved in a time like this.
that is certainly being done in some places, but it isn't the general rule

> i got my mask when it was available.
you do you. you don't work at the hospital.

>what we should be doing is ramping up production of ppes to the max and have ppe distribution like taiwan does.
kek so we must seize the means of production? this stuff takes time

>>11601440
>omg nurses are making music videos for social media
can't do anything about it if they are off work and didn't violate any rules.

[Anonymous No.11601501]

>>11601473
>but there was no cover up after it reached beijing back in january
lol wut? the ccp has been trying to control the narrative regarding the virus since day one and are continuing to do so.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/12/asia/china-coronavirus-research-restrictions-intl-hnk/index.html

>you think doing this stuff is easy, not even bill gates could do it
yet taiwan has their shit together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sae9AIx1wp0

>that is certainly being done in some places, but it isn't the general rule
if i'm a doctor and i show up at work in my real hazmat which absolutely mogs that laughable surgical mask and scrub p sure the admin would be a retard to tell me to go home.

>you do you.
yes. it's not available now tho. too late if you listened to health "experts" back in jan and feb.

>you don't work at the hospital.
no ofc not. i'm not a rote memory midwit. i'm actually able to do pattern recognition and critically think. not just memorize diagnostic decision trees, anatomy, etc.

>kek so we must seize the means of production? this stuff takes time
maybe if the west weren't a bunch of retards who thought it'd be a smart idea to listen to economist smoothbrains telling us to centralize all production overseas we wouldn't be in this mess.

>can't do anything about it if they are off work and didn't violate any rules.
just goes to show what cringey brainlets they are rolling around on hospital floors. and yet they have the gall to lecture others about ppe use and germ theory.

[Anonymous No.11601506]

>>11601440
but but muh tiktok subs...

[Anonymous No.11601515]

>>11598593
nothing makes me kek harder than seeing some dunce with a beard and a surgical mask on

[Anonymous No.11601525]

>>11601440

[Anonymous No.11601537]

>>11601473
>>11601501
I feel like you two have both got a few things wrong and a few things right and you two are largely on the same page but are preferring to talk past each other

[Anonymous No.11601543]

>>11601537
fucking centrist ;p

[Anonymous No.11601545]

>>11601501
>narrative
bro fuck yourself. there was no "underreporting" as you claimed and go fuck yourself. you change the subject as it suits you and now your entire message is pure nonsense

>taiwan has their shit together
if they have it whatever. the west doesn't and it is laughable that you would bash the people who were trying to change that

>if i'm a doctor
and why should the public or the hospital trust you mr. doctor? that rule exists for a reason

>no ofc not.
you surely don't. but you implied that you do by changing the subject

>maybe if the west weren't a bunch of retards who thought it'd be a smart idea to listen to economist smoothbrains telling us to centralize all production overseas we wouldn't be in this mess.
ok

>just goes to show what cringey brainlets they are rolling around on hospital floors
ok critical thinker *tips fedora*

>>11601537
and you got everything in your message wrong by not saying shit

[Anonymous No.11601560]

>>11601545
>bro fuck yourself. there was no "underreporting" as you claimed and go fuck yourself. you change the subject as it suits you and now your entire message is pure nonsense
analysis shows otherwise. this is not even moving goalposts. your claim is tah tchina is being honest, i showed you that claim is bogus.

>if they have it whatever. the west doesn't and it is laughable that you would bash the people who were trying to change that
change what? by calling it a nothing burger until swaths of people started dying? lol they deserve to be bashed into the fucking ground.

>and why should the public or the hospital trust you mr. doctor? that rule exists for a reason
i'm not a doctor. i'm a grad student who called this back in january while they were calling me a paranoid racist for prepping. so maybe the fact that i was right while they were wrong they could actually listen but alas they won't and will pay this heavy toll again.

>you surely don't. but you implied that you do by changing the subject
i have a suit. lol. it's in my not clean room and i'm not going in there to take a picture for you then have to wash myself down.

>ok critical thinker *tips fedora*
yet i have gear and food while these doctors are getting sick and dying like the dumb brainelts they are. lmao. i love natural selection. hopefully round 2 is more lethal.

[Anonymous No.11601564]

>>11601440
Where do you get the idea that those nurses are ICU nurses?

[Anonymous No.11601565]

>>11601564
>only icus are not clean
there's that lack of understanding germ theory again. notice how the virus can be spread with footsteps.

[Anonymous No.11601575]

>>11601560
>i showed you that claim is bogus.
no you didn't retard. that garbage isn't "*intentional* under-reporting" as you implied. you even included the "in most countries" in your stupid greentext lmaooooo

>calling it a nothing burger until swaths of people started dying?
strawman garbage

>i'm a grad student
then who cares what you do with your fucking mask. fuck yourself

>i have a suit.
who cares what you do with your fucking suit you're not a fucking doctor you don't work at a hospital fuck yourself retard

[Anonymous No.11601578]

>>11601575
>no you didn't retard. that garbage isn't "*intentional* under-reporting" as you implied. you even included the "in most countries" in your stupid greentext lmaooooo
most under reporting isn't 10x the rate. and no other country is controlling what can and can't be published like china. you are a brainlet to be this gullible or are getting paid 50cents to suck winnie's dick online.

>strawman garbage
you're really dumb.

>then who cares what you do with your fucking mask. fuck yourself
>who cares what you do with your fucking suit you're not a fucking doctor you don't work at a hospital fuck yourself retard
lol this mad. lemme guess you didn't prep. lmao. i love natural selection sometimes.

[Anonymous No.11601614]

>>11601578
>most under reporting isn't 10x the rate.
that kind of underreporting is assumed, and rest assured that other third world shitholes will underreport twice as much regardless of their type of government

>you're really dumb.
that's you with your eugene posting. bunch of strawman trash

>lemme guess you didn't prep
nope. i'm the boss of myself, i can use whatever i want, and that's irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.11601629]

>>11601614
>and rest assured that other third world shitholes will underreport twice as much regardless of their type of government
which china isn't. they are one of the wealthiest nations (not per capita) in the world. they literally manufacture all medical supplies for the rest of the world.

>that's you with your eugene posting. bunch of strawman trash
just because it flies over your diminutive brain doesn't make it strawmen. do you not know what a strawman is? i perfectly understand what your moronic arguments are and countered them. you just get caught in the bells and whistles because you are that stupid.

>i'm the boss of myself, i can use whatever i want, and that's irrelevant.
except you don't have a hazmat suit. lmao you do you.

[Anonymous No.11601651]

>>11601629
>which china isn't
china is a developing country

>not per capita
yeah cause once you add per capita it ranks in between first world countries such as turkmenistan and algeria and that ruins your moronic argument

> i perfectly understand what your moronic arguments
i also perfectly understand your moronic arguments. you want to bash all healthcare workers over what eugene decided to post on his feed, and what some random nurse on some random hospital posted on tik tok. nope, i'm not alarmed by any of this.

>you don't have a hazmat suit
i literally do. and what i do with it doesn't have shit to do with what healthcare workers do in the privacy of their hospitals

[Anonymous No.11601681]

>>11598776
If you wear it, people will think you're sick and steer clear of you. The problem basically solves itself. Throw in a coof as well and the store will practically clear out.

[Anonymous No.11601690]

>>11601651
>yeah cause once you add per capita it ranks in between first world countries such as turkmenistan and algeria and that ruins your moronic argument
god you are dumb. it doesn't because per capita doesn't have anything to do with how much funding is available for hospitals in a specific location. their nominal is so fucking high it can be poured into wuhan and deal with that it is so high. and notice how in china, doctors are wearing full hazmat, pic. not just surgical masks and scrubs. also china ranks at the top for purchasing power. mang, you don't know anything. not germ theory, not economics. nothing. this isn't the board for brainlets like you.

>i also perfectly understand your moronic arguments. you want to bash all healthcare workers over what eugene decided to post on his feed
now that is a strawman.

>and what some random nurse on some random hospital posted on tik tok.
and another. it's really funny you don't seem to get that this wasn't just some posts from random mds and nurses but health officials were also saying you're a racist for not pepping. if you look north from murrica for instance, bitch was more worried about the spread of the bias than the virus:
https://twitter.com/CPHO_Canada/status/1222705113669799938

>i literally do.
why would you if it doesn't work? oh wait it does so ppl with brains would've got them like you're pretending rn.

>and what i do with it doesn't have shit to do with what healthcare workers do in the privacy of their hospitals
because you were asking what my creds were. i told you, i was right while they blundered. makes me more credible than these rote memory midwits. they're retarded for not gearing up at the start of a novel virus. ever heard of precautionary principle? i know this is probably a new concept for you but it essentially means we assume the worst when we don't know anything about it so if it does happen we're ready. essentially doing the opposite of what the world other than taiwan did.

[Anonymous No.11601704]

>>11598593
do any of you know the patterns of gas pressure?
but you dont need to, its a retarded mask 4 an retarded illness, effecting only retarded people.

[Anonymous No.11601705]

>>11599178
The likelihood of that leading to greater spread than nobody wearing masks is highly unlikely.

[Anonymous No.11601707]

>>11601690
and before you say this was just a tweet, there is a good chance you will since you cannot argue the point it seems:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-government-documents-1.5528726
>A March 10 department-drafted briefing note prepared for Health Minister Patty Hajdu ahead of question period said that, with just 12 cases being reported nationwide at that point (even though publicly available numbers had already climbed higher), "the risk of spread of this virus within Canada remains low at this time." The note also said the public health system is "well-equipped to contain cases coming from abroad, limiting the spread in Canada."

so it's not just orange man. but so many other western health officials. look at fucking sweden ffs. they are going about it like nothing is going on because "muh herd immunity".

[Anonymous No.11601727]

>>11598637
>STILL greatly reduces your ability to project pathogens into the air.

But primary transmission is by huge as fuck droplets landing in your face or yourself autoinnoculating your own membranes with your unwashed hands touching your face. Breathing as normal plays minimal if any effect in the spread of virus particles and even if there is then that is mitigated by social distancing.

[Anonymous No.11601749]

>>11601690
>lel they can reallocate their GDP slave labour money to kill coronavirus
it doesn't matter. you're talking about a BRICS country retard. they didn't have the infrastructure in place you lying by omission piece of shit

>why would you if it doesn't work?
strawman

>you were asking what my creds were
i didn't ask shit. you're repeating the same fucking garbage about "LOL I'M SO SMART I CAN BUY THAT SAME SHIT ON AMAZON" and guess what? i can do that as well retard. anyone can do that shit. and it doesn't matter. you won't be endangering the public or your coworkers in doing that, it doesn't matter idiot.

>ever heard of precautionary principle?
that is long over. it should be done long ago. governments worldwide are now buying time they don't have.

>taiwan did
what they did in taiwan was mostly strong screening. if they happen to lax out on their policies in the future they might also see an outbreak like it happened in japan.

[Anonymous No.11601766]

>>11601749
>it doesn't matter.
except it does.
>you're talking about a BRICS country retard. they didn't have the infrastructure in place you lying by omission piece of shit
they have much better infrastructure than the west that much is certain. just compare the gear their doctors have to the west. night and day. where's the omission? oh where your brain should be.

>strawman
lol retard. you still don't know what that means.

>i didn't ask shit.
acktually, look here: >>11601545
>and why should the public or the hospital trust you mr. doctor? that rule exists for a reason
which is credential begging. it's kinda funny that you fell in lockstep with what my meme was making fun of. "muh creds". no surprise a brainlet like you can't think for themselves and has to rely on the appeal to authority of "experts" to do the "thinking" for you. and even when they fuck up you still hold them up like they are trustworthy. this is literally how dumb you are. lmao. you are so fucking stupid. holy shit lololololo.

[Anonymous No.11601767]

>>11601545
>and you got everything in your message wrong by not saying shit
I can't be wrong if I didn't say shit. Dont get buttmad at the messenger. I'm just telling you that you could have more productive conversation. But I can see you're more interested in being angry than having actual conversation. the other guy seems to have his head on straighter

[Anonymous No.11601768]

>>11601749
cont.
>"LOL I'M SO SMART I CAN BUY THAT SAME SHIT ON AMAZON"
nice strawoman, this is what a strawman is. you prop up an easy arguement like a man made of straw and tear it down. do i really need to handhold you through everything? i said lol i's so smart i did buy that on amazon when this shit was hitting the fan while dumb medical "experts" were saying it's a nothingburger.

> and guess what? i can do that as well retard.
no you can't anymore, retard. it's all bought up now.

>you won't be endangering the public or your coworkers in doing that, it doesn't matter idiot.
yeah, i'll be keeping myself safe and reducing the burden on the public health system unlike retards like you who will be getting sick because they didn't prep.

>that is long over. it should be done long ago. governments worldwide are now buying time they don't have.
hahahaha. my pt exactly. retarded health officials here fucked up and are not to be taken seriously.

>what they did in taiwan was mostly strong screening.
not only. wanna see how easy it is to get masks there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QhmHqPldjY
also taiwan was on it january first. while the retards we call health "experts" here were saying nothing burger. i will post this vid again so you can educate yourself on what a society that isn't a joke looks like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sae9AIx1wp0

[Anonymous No.11601770]

>>11601767
>the other guy seems to have his head on straighter
thanks, fren. i would be interested in your criticisms some time. i just wanna bitch slap this scrub around a bit more rn. it's fun.

[Anonymous No.11601789]

>tfw wearing this when I go out and feeling pretty safe

[Anonymous No.11601794]

Are there any numbers that show the effectiveness of different masks?
Surely, basic bitch surgical masks can at least protect you from the largest droplets flying straight in your face, right?

[Anonymous No.11601799]

>>11601789
very high iq poster detected

[Anonymous No.11601804]

>>11601794
thread's a bit long but it's covered here
if everyone wear masks, you are protected because it contains most of the expulsion of droplets emitted by people to mostly the mask or a much shorter distance
That's what surgical masks are for anon - protecting the patient from the surgeon. Not the other way around.

[Anonymous No.11601806]

>>11601794
so here's the thing, the virus is between 50-70nm big. so surgical masks are like thick weave scarves, they protect against droplets a bit but the virus can still penetrate. n95 has 300nm pores, so it is better but again not a sure thing. cbrn filters on masks are the way to go, pores way smaller than virus.

>>11601804
t. brainlet

[Anonymous No.11601810]

>>11601806
>t. brainlet
>makes post that agrees with me
okay then?

[Anonymous No.11601812]

>>11601806
It doesn't matter how big the virus is, it can't fly. It's riding droplets larger than itself.

[Anonymous No.11601813]

>>11601810
no, it covers both ways. virus can still get caught on the mask with inhales. it's just not 100% protection.

[Anonymous No.11601820]

>>11601812
>It doesn't matter how big the virus is, it can't fly. It's riding droplets larger than itself.
it is possibly airborne. we don't yet know.
https://archive.is/zuXYj

[Anonymous No.11601823]

>>11601813
>no, it covers both ways. virus can still get caught on the mask with inhales. it's just not 100% protection
Yes agreed
but the major protection of the masks is protecting other people from the wearer via reducing the distance droplets go (i'm sure you've seen the video of air movement of a person wearing various masks) and therefore reducing the effective infecious radius of an infected person, especially if they're asymoptomatic
What you said is true but it's more like an ancillary benefit and promoting that in of the major benefit would be like convincing me that power tools are better than hand tools because power tools make cool noises
it's true but it's not really the main selling point

[Anonymous No.11601825]

>>11598593
>99 out of 100 normalfags dont even know how to use it right.
citation needed

[Anonymous No.11601826]

>>11601812
>>11601813
truth

[Anonymous No.11601827]

>>11601823
oh ok then. sorry just been seeing a lot of one sided arguments if you catch my drift. that is absolutely the case. i take my previous comment back, brainlet status revoked.

[Anonymous No.11601927]

>>11598695
Reducing pathogens is ONLY useful under 2 conditions.

1. The other person is highly susceptible to being infected e.g. they either have a poor immune system or an underdeveloped immune system

2. They're confined in closed spaces that doesn't provide opportunities to breath fresh air. Like being stuck in a room all day.

Nevermind that keeping your fucking mouth close and breathing in through nose to allow natural immune behaviors like sneezing to occur is actually fucking useful

[Anonymous No.11601952]

>>11601823
That protection only qualifies under certain circumstances. Confined space, and the other person having a weak immunity.

If any one of those are eliminated than the actual added protection is minuscule because you eliminated major factors to being infected anyway.

TL;DR Go the fuck outside and breathe, you weak ass fucking neet

[Anonymous No.11601957]

>>11598776
People like you are why Rome crumbled.

[Anonymous No.11601965]

>>11601767
>I can't be wrong if I didn't say shit.
now you use that basic tautology to realize that by that i could only mean that you typed 34 words without stating anything.

>productive conversation
you're the epitome of unproductive

>>11601766
>they have much better infrastructure than the west
then move to your chinese wakanda retard

>you still don't know what that means.
as if i'd expect you to admit that you're misrepresenting me

>which is credential begging
no it isn't. YOU made an statement saying exactly what you would do to get fired as a doctor. and i clarified why such rule exists to mr. hypothetical doctor.

also no one gives a fuck what you do with your shit stained hazmat suits. you don't get to dictate safety at work, and you're not a doctor.

>nice strawoman, this is what a strawman is. you prop up an easy arguement like a man
there is no strawman. and i already stated this in many different ways. no one cares what you do with your shit stained hazmat suits. you don't get to dictate safety at work and you're not a doctor.

>yeah, i'll be keeping myself safe
no one cares what you do with your shitty stained hazmat suits. you don't get to dictate safety at work and you're not a doctor.

>hahahaha. my pt exactly. retarded health officials here fucked up and are not to be taken seriously.
that's not "exactly your point". your point was that eugene said "x", and therefor nurse retards are satan. and i said that governments worldwide have shelved such exercises when they were warned that a new pandemic was on its way.

>also taiwan was on it january first.
taiwan is a really small province in china. the US has continental dimensions. it would be impossible to enact this overnight

[Anonymous No.11601967]

>>11600021
The worst part about disinfo is that when some is genuine a disinfo agent can just call them a disinfo agent and the whatever they say is now invalid. We really do live in a fake cartoon world now

[Anonymous No.11601968]

>>11601952
What was the point of your truism post?

[Anonymous No.11601975]

>>11601968
Why didn't you read it?

[Anonymous No.11601980]

>>11601965
>you're the epitome of unproductive
Says the guy who is choosing contrarianism and butthurt instead of productive discussion
I don't give a shit how productive you think i am because i've already demonstrated that having the last word is more important than your supposed productive discussion

[Anonymous No.11601983]

>>11601975
But I did - that's how I know it is a truism

[Anonymous No.11601987]

>>11601980
posting to have the last word

[Anonymous No.11601996]

>>11601965
>then move to your chinese wakanda retard
i never said china is better overall. just their infrastructure is more up to snuff. notice how before this i was showing you how they are incredibly dishonest and corrupt. keep strawmanning. after this i'm moving to taiwan, only reliable country. enjoy your trash heap of a society.

>as if i'd expect you to admit that you're misrepresenting me
the thread can see what a retard you are, that is on full display. no amount of begging and distraction can change that.

>YOU made an statement saying exactly what you would do to get fired as a doctor.
oh i see now, you're just illiterate.

>and i clarified why such rule exists to mr. hypothetical doctor.
where? iirc you just asserted they exist, and i pted out why they're retarded.

>also no one gives a fuck what you do with your shit stained hazmat suits.
yet you can't stop screeching about it. jelly you didn't prep, i know. it's ok. it's just the flu after, right? that's what health "experts" told you. lol

>you don't get to dictate safety at work
if i did we wouldn't be in this mess. notice how i prepped while these brainlets were calling me a paranoid racist for doing so.

>and you're not a doctor.
just goes to show how meaningless these credentials are. and i say this as top of my class in my grad program.

>your point was that eugene said "x", and therefor nurse retards are satan.
lol nope, try again. oh the pottery. i explained to you my argument. you keep getting catch up in bells and whistle. good grief you are retarded.

>and i said that governments worldwide have shelved such exercises
because health "experts" are retarded brainlets.

>taiwan is a really small province in china. the US has continental dimensions. it would be impossible to enact this overnight
excuses, the us is that much richer and could have that much more industrial output.

[Anonymous No.11601999]

>>11601952
>That protection only qualifies under certain circumstances.
yes, it's called not being a retard and prepping ahead of time when there is a novel danger looming instead of being a normalcy biased brainlet.

[Anonymous No.11602004]

>>11601983
If you know it's true then should have seen the obvious problems in your statement. Mainly that the selling points that your implying are majorly false.

[Anonymous No.11602006]

>>11601980
fren, he's clearly a butthurt retard who can't take his shit getting rekt in. this is why i didn't bother having a productive discussion with him. he made up his mind long ago and will just dig in his heals to the very end when he literally dies on the hill for his beliefs.

[Anonymous No.11602007]

>>11601987
>prove him right to prove him wrong
jej

[Anonymous No.11602013]

>>11602004
except he is right on all counts. your point is meaningless since we might have to enter spaces where we will be potentially exposed to the virus when our stocks run low if this drags on long enough.

[Anonymous No.11602015]

>>11602004
Your statement and my statement aren't mutually exclusive. all you did was add details to my statement but phrase it in such a way as if you were disagreeing with me. So yeah it was a pointless response

[Anonymous No.11602027]

>>11601999
You have a nose and the ability to keep your mouth shut when you breathe. Millions of years of evolution has prepped you well enough for this moment. Why do you feel a need to think it's all about the gear?

[Anonymous No.11602032]

>>11602027
lmao, good one. just asphyxiate myself and the virus won't get me. as if that even works.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-key-nose-cells-covid-virus.html

i do appreciate the b8 tho.

[Anonymous No.11602146]

>>11602013
>>11602015

It's an impractical understanding of reality, like >>11602032. the answer assumes situations of being infected under circumstances that are not generally the case. Conflating possibility with probability in spite of all the other natural defenses and immune responses as well as the faulty understanding of this particular virus, to begin with.

1. You all accept there is no 100% protection against a virus, right?

2. You all accept that the virus primarily enters through the nose and mouth, right?

3. You all accept the purpose of mask is to protect others, right?

But what none of you have accepted is the realities that make the possibility of infection into a probability.

You all forget that the mask was invented because the situations they are called, the circumstances that are given, already make for a higher probability of being infected in the first place.

Look at any study on wearing masks in public and across the board, you'll notice it is generally proved helpful if it was paired with traditional hygienic behavior AND it's used in environments where most if not all are highly contagious and could not avoid most vectors. Rarely if ever will you find a mask proved useful in ONLY ONE of those situations.

A nurse is more likely to get another person sick than a random stranger simply because she's been dealing with people who are most likely to be sick with something. It's more probable she's carrying a larger population of active viruses. Ergo she's required to wear a mask and/or go through a hygiene protocol. (Can you guess why the and/or?)

To just suggest that a mask sold to a normalfag is beneficial when you already know that mask are useful in some cases is generally stupid. It presumes its useful in unknown situations, with persons of unknown understanding, when it's already shown to work in only some cases but not all.

[Anonymous No.11602212]

>>11602146
>It's an impractical understanding of reality,
not if you weren't a retard and prepped ahead of time.

>1. You all accept there is no 100% protection against a virus, right?
no, there is. if you had full hazmat with a decontamination room it is effectively 100% protection.

>2. You all accept that the virus primarily enters through the nose and mouth, right?
yes

>3. You all accept the purpose of mask is to protect others, right?
no, it goes both ways. as discussed here:
>>11601806
>>11601813
so some masks are explicitly made for the protection of the wearer.

>But what none of you have accepted is the realities that make the possibility of infection into a probability.
it is always a probability. the fact is masks reduce that, some substantially depending on the filter material to the point of it being zero.

>You all forget that the mask was invented because the situations they are called,
"the manual says it, i believe it, that settles it." did it not occur to you that you can use it for whatever situation you want? i might have to go to the grocery store if my supplies run low and the delivery services break down. that puts me in harms way. so i have a hazamt suit for that. it's called being prepared.

1/2

[Anonymous No.11602214]

>>11602146
cont.

>the circumstances that are given, already make for a higher probability of being infected in the first place.
and some people want that probability to approach as closely to 0 as possible. if you have a problem with that that's your prerogative that you like rolling dice when you don't have to. but there is nothing dumber.

>if it was paired with traditional hygienic behavior
you have no clue how many bottles of purrell and disinfectant i have. lol. i have much better hygiene than your average healthcare worker. so bad they labelled me mentally ill to justify their dirty ways. i don't touch my face under normal circumstances without clean hands, let alone now.

>AND it's used in environments where most if not all are highly contagious and could not avoid most vectors.
and you never know when you might need to be in the environment.

>Ergo she's required to wear a mask and/or go through a hygiene protocol. (Can you guess why the and/or?)
yet they have inadequate gear and don't know how to wash their hands. scrubs and surgical masks. lmao. fail.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/250798/

>To just suggest that a mask sold to a normalfag is beneficial when you already know that mask are useful in some cases is generally stupid.
except look at taiwan. the one country that is beating this shit tells a different story. all normalfags wearing these masks and they have about 400 cases overall. this is while being a stone throw's away from china and high population density.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QhmHqPldjY
https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/?scale=linear&location=Taiwan

> It presumes its useful in unknown situations, with persons of unknown understanding, when it's already shown to work in only some cases but not all.
i see you learned nothing from this pandemic. not going with the precautionary principle is why we're in this mess.

[Anonymous No.11602226]

>>11602214
>this is while being a stone throw's away from china
Why does that make a difference? Is the virus able to blow across the sea?

[Anonymous No.11602230]

>>11602226
air travel, so much air travel.

[Anonymous No.11602574]

>>11601820
Fuck. That sucks.

[Anonymous No.11602870]

>>11602212
>the fact is masks reduce that
Wrong. They reduce it in certain situations, that people generally don't find themselves in.

[Anonymous No.11602885]

>>11602214
>and you never know when you might need to be in the environment.

Even for a preppper, that's pretty dumb statement

[Anonymous No.11602915]

>>11602870
>Wrong. They reduce it in certain situations
so right. since masks do reduce probability of transmission, ofc you have to be in a situation where there is a nonzero probability without it. so no shit you can't reduce from zero any further.

>that people generally don't find themselves in.
yet ppl get infected all the time.


>>11602885
are you that stupid? you mean you never have to go into a grocery store for food if your stockpile goes down and there isn't a delivery service? the fucking pottery with you healthcare parrots.

[Anonymous No.11602988]

>>11602915
N95 Masks, the defacto for PPE, have 95% efficient when against very “small” particles (approximately 0.3 microns) This should be general knowledge with you.

Respiratory droplets that can remain suspended in the air for significant periods are usually less than .005 microns.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK143281/

Some other doomsday prepper already cited something about it becoming airborne, like an aerosol.

So if respiratory droplets average around .06 microns and go as small as .005 micron to remain airborne. And the circumstance that your n95 mask isn't probably fitted because it's unlikely you have the money or the time to do so (And you can't you really cite that many studies because nearly all of those were done with proper fitting as a constant)

What are the chances that it gets your eyes?

Feeling prepped for this doomsday virus

[Anonymous No.11602999]

People have been brainwashed into fearing other human beings breathing within a six foot radius. I find this incredibly disturbing. This has to be fucking with their psychology.

[Anonymous No.11603030]

>>11602988
>N95 Masks, the defacto for PPE, have 95% efficient when against very “small” particles (approximately 0.3 microns) This should be general knowledge with you.
thank you for pting out what i already wrote out here: >>11601806

>Respiratory droplets that can remain suspended in the air for significant periods are usually less than .005 microns.
that is not the same as the sars-cov2 which is 70-90nm.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7045880/

>Some other doomsday prepper already cited something about it becoming airborne, like an aerosol.
it might be, normalcy bias sufferer.
https://archive.is/zuXYj

>So if respiratory droplets average around .06 microns and go as small as .005 micron to remain airborne.
how about you learn what the size of the actual virus is, not just droplets. ofc, droplets which can be just h20 will be tiny

> And the circumstance that your n95 mask
>my n95
lmao. you do realize i have a P100 asbestos filter on my full face mask and not that plebian shit , right? that ranges from 0.7 to 90 microns. so i'll be ok.

> And the circumstance that your n95 mask isn't probably fitted because it's unlikely you have the money or the time to do so
>these asshat assumptions
it is a flexible rubbery plastic with silicone seal that fits snuggly to my big head just fine.

>What are the chances that it gets your eyes?
it's called full face for a reason. lmao.

>>11602999
>brainwashed
>into avoiding contagion
how're the lockdown protests going for you?
btw 6ft isn't sufficient.
https://archive.is/rgZvh

[Anonymous No.11603043]

>>11602988
>N95 Masks, the defacto for PPE, have 95% efficient when against very “small” particles (approximately 0.3 microns) This should be general knowledge with you.
thank you for pting out what i already wrote out here: >>11601806

>Respiratory droplets that can remain suspended in the air for significant periods are usually less than .005 microns.
that is not the same as the sars-cov2 which is 70-90nm.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7045880/

>Some other doomsday prepper already cited something about it becoming airborne, like an aerosol.
it might be, normalcy bias sufferer.
https://archive.is/zuXYj

>So if respiratory droplets average around .06 microns and go as small as .005 micron to remain airborne.
how about you learn what the size of the actual virus is, not just droplets. ofc, droplets which can be just h2o will be tiny

> And the circumstance that your n95 mask
>my n95
lmao. you do realize i have a P100 asbestos filter on my full face mask and not that plebian shit, right? that ranges from 0.7 to 90 microns. so i'll be ok.

> And the circumstance that your n95 mask isn't probably fitted because it's unlikely you have the money or the time to do so
>these asshat assumptions
it is a flexible rubbery plastic with silicone seal that fits snuggly to my big head just fine.

>What are the chances that it gets your eyes?
it's called full face for a reason. lmao.

>Feeling prepped for this doomsday virus
yes, i've been laughing at how badly society with it's reliance on over-glorified retards in healthcare fucked this up all day erry day since mid march.

>>11602999
>brainwashed
>into avoiding contagion
how're the lockdown protests going for you?
btw 6ft isn't sufficient.
https://archive.is/rgZvh

[Anonymous No.11603048]

>>11602988
>N95 Masks, the defacto for PPE, have 95% efficient when against very “small” particles (approximately 0.3 microns) This should be general knowledge with you.
thank you for pting out what i already wrote out here: >>11601806

>Respiratory droplets that can remain suspended in the air for significant periods are usually less than .005 microns.
that is not the same as the sars-cov2 which is 70-90nm.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7045880/

>Some other doomsday prepper already cited something about it becoming airborne, like an aerosol.
it might be, normalcy bias sufferer.
https://archive.is/zuXYj

>So if respiratory droplets average around .06 microns and go as small as .005 micron to remain airborne.
how about you learn what the size of the actual virus is, not just droplets. ofc, droplets which can be just h2o will be tiny

>And the circumstance that your n95 mask
>my n95
lmao. you do realize i have an organic vapor P100 filter on my full face mask and not that plebian shit, right? so i'll be ok.

> And the circumstance that your n95 mask isn't probably fitted because it's unlikely you have the money or the time to do so
>these asshat assumptions
it is a flexible rubbery plastic with silicone seal that fits snuggly to my big head just fine.

>What are the chances that it gets your eyes?
it's called full face for a reason. lmao.

>Feeling prepped for this doomsday virus
yes, i've been laughing at how badly society with it's reliance on over-glorified retards in healthcare fucked this up all day erry day since mid march.

>>11602999
>brainwashed
>into avoiding contagion
how're the lockdown protests going for you?
btw 6ft isn't sufficient.
https://archive.is/rgZvh

[Anonymous No.11603092]

>>11603043
>that is not the same as the sars-cov2 which is 70-90nm.
You can't pull a fast one here. That's the sample size pulled from those who developed the disease, meaning it replicated well after the point of infection.

And that's only useful if you want to go against the already speculated-fear that the least amount of viral load is sufficient to cause infection. But if you want to insist that it's large then you'll need to admit that droplets larger .06 fall after 3 feet. I'm willing to compromise if you can figure out a reasonable explanation between those two contradictory circumstances.

So unless you're a manlet that lives and breathes under the rain of kings, you must please tell me what's it like wasting all that money on masks, face shields, hazmat suits, and bleach, just to go the convenient store for a "sausage"?

[Anonymous No.11603159]

>>11603048
You don't like the word brainwashed, what's the correct word for installing a fear of being within 13 feet of an uncovered face in the population?
has it even been proven that rona is transmissible through the air?

[Anonymous No.11603187]

>>11603159
>proven
Nearly all the speculation has been based on scattered case reports worldwide. Seeing how there are less than a few dozen samples worldwide to do anything to prove any of those unique situations, the answer is most likely...
NO

[Anonymous No.11603189]

>>11603092
>That's the sample size pulled from those who developed the disease, meaning it replicated well after the point of infection.
lemme explain some basic af virology. they are structures of certain size. 5nm would be smaller than the smallest known virus. to have that envelope with all those spike proteins and packaged with all those other proteins and rna, about 30,000 bases, will be 70-90nm. this is no fast one.

>And that's only useful if you want to go against the already speculated-fear that the least amount of viral load is sufficient to cause infection.
in theory you only need a single virion to cause infection. viruses don't work like bacteria which will need a little army to cause infection. a single virion can cause a cascade of infections after the first. the first cell gets infected then makes hundreds of viruses then bursts open releasing the viruses to surrounding cells which go onto do the same and bam.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090313150254.htm

>But if you want to insist that it's large then you'll need to admit that droplets larger .06 fall after 3 feet.
have you ever shone a flash light in the dark and looked at the air? what will you see? dust, some floating fluff, etc all shit that could carry china's lil encapsulated girl.

>you must please tell me what's it like wasting all that money on masks, face shields, hazmat suits, and bleach, just to go the convenient store for a "sausage"?
because when a manlet coofs there is a cone of aerosol some of which reaches 7ft+ high, gets stuck to the fluff and dust floating around and into your lungs. but the thing is you're a bit late to get this gear, should've acted when all the normalcy bias fags were going "just flu bro".

>>11603159
what is precautionary principle? when you don't know the full danger of something you should prepare for the worst or you can suffer the worst. this whole pandemic is a lesson in what happens when brainlets in power don't get that.

[Anonymous No.11603209]

>>11603189
>what is precautionary principle? when you don't know the full danger of something you should prepare for the worst or you can suffer the worst.
Do you wear a helmet all the time? Every year 2.5 million people experience a traumatic brain injury.

[Anonymous No.11603210]

>>11603189
>single virion to cause infection
So the mask is pointless after 6ft. You just defeated your precautionary principle.

[Anonymous No.11603240]

>>11603209
>Do you wear a helmet all the time? Every year 2.5 million people experience a traumatic brain injury.
heh. i can see large physical objects that could cause injury and duck out just fine. i don't have nanoscopic vision.

>>11603210
>So the mask is pointless after 6ft. You just defeated your precautionary principle.
not quite. apparently it can float around in the air viably for at least 3hrs.
https://www.livescience.com/how-long-coronavirus-last-surfaces.html

[Anonymous No.11603250]

>>11603189
Wikipedia on the precautionary princple
>The precautionary principle (or precautionary approach) is a strategy for approaching issues of potential harm when extensive scientific knowledge on the matter is lacking. It emphasizes caution, pausing and review before leaping into new innovations that may prove disastrous.
This would seem to discourage an unprecedented global economic shutdown and a social engineering campaign to make you afraid of faces

[Anonymous No.11603277]

>>11603250
who says i'm a proponent of shutdowns? i'm in favor of what taiwan did. they saw the potential for a dangerous disease outbreak and acted smart and early. that has proven to be the most effective and people still live their lives. just with some masks and extra cleanliness protocols.
https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/?scale=linear&location=Taiwan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sae9AIx1wp0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA_WAkdDqY0

[Anonymous No.11603354]

>>11603277
Taiwan was already clean as fuck

[Anonymous No.11603389]

how are you supposed to wear one of these with a beard? it keeps slipping up towards my eyes

[Anonymous No.11603513]

>>11603389
By shaving that nasty shit

[Anonymous No.11603521]

>>11603513
What if I'm fat and it's the only way I can have a jawline?

[Anonymous No.11603537]

>>11603513
It's not nasty. it looks like this. Also I'm bald so it stops my head from looking like an egg

[Anonymous No.11603604]

>>11603537
>It's not nasty. it looks like this.
Not even trimmed, worse than I imagined

[Anonymous No.11603774]

>>11601272
>healthcare dipshits weren't getting prepared for a pandemic
It's the federal government that's supposed to have the cache of PPE in case of a pandemic. It's also the federal government that can require factories to start making PPE when there's going to be a clear shortage. It was well known for years that the emergency cache was inadequate, nothing was done about it, and Trump didn't start requiring factories to shift toward PPE production until mid-March, when shit was already hitting the fan.

[Anonymous No.11603781]

>>11601806
>so here's the thing, the virus is between 50-70nm big. so surgical masks are like thick weave scarves, they protect against droplets a bit but the virus can still penetrate. n95 has 300nm pores, so it is better but again not a sure thing. cbrn filters on masks are the way to go, pores way smaller than virus.
So you're right that they're not a sure thing, but any gap at the edge of a mask also makes them not a sure thing. But even simple surgical masks block the majority of particles much smaller than the virus. The reason is that particles are usually hitching a ride on something else, so when their ride gets trapped, so do they.

[Anonymous No.11603836]

>>11603774
>It's the federal government that's supposed to have the cache of PPE in case of a pandemic.
nothing is stopping hospitals from having caches. i mean if i were a hospital's admin that's what i would've been doing along with the other duties.

>It's also the federal government that can require factories to start making PPE when there's going to be a clear shortage. It was well known for years that the emergency cache was inadequate, nothing was done about it, and Trump didn't start requiring factories to shift toward PPE production until mid-March, when shit was already hitting the fan.
oh orange man was very late on this one but the stock was depleted back in 2009 during h1n1 and never replenished. this fuck up predates blumpf but he def was late af to invoke the dpa.

>>11603781
absolutely. it's def a lot lot better than nothing, i hope i wasn't making it sound any other way. i just need to be as close to 100% as possible so surgical mask aren't enough for my personal use standards. on the level of population everyone having masks for all does make the sarscov2 r0 plummet.

[Anonymous No.11603943]

>>11601927
1. you don't know who is and isn't susceptible in public so it's respectful to wear a mask in public, especially since you can be an asymptomatic carrier

2. grocery stores/public places get you in close proximity to other people, so reducing the virus-containing saliva in the air is ideal

3. viruses can go up your nose and are way to small to trigger a sneeze response until after you're already contagious. if you're sneezing, you're already somewhat sick

[Anonymous No.11603957]

>>11598776
thus we see the real virus was individualism

[Anonymous No.11603983]

>>11601515
I'm one of those dunces. Masks like the one in OPs picture are mandatory where I work, but I have to put it on upside down to get it to fit properly.

[Anonymous No.11604090]

>>11601515
I do it. Ain't shaving the beard. If I were wearing a respirator, the hair preventing a flush fit would lower the efficacy, but I doubt that's an issue with my POS mask.

[Anonymous No.11604197]

>>11603943
1. We know who is at risk. Oddly no one wanted to know prevalence when it broke out.
2. Why are you standing 3 ft from someone?

3. The mask should cover your nose

[Anonymous No.11604219]

>>11603240
This size needed to stay airborne is smaller than what the mask can filter.

[Anonymous No.11604253]

>>11604219
The smallest SARS-CoV-2 particles are about .14 microns. Even ordinary surgical masks do a pretty good job filtering all the way down to .007 microns. Sure, the masks may not filter everything, but when talking about viruses, it can take thousands of particles in some cases to cause an infection.

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/can-masks-capture-coronavirus/

[Anonymous No.11604277]

>>11599294
Not that anon, but what kind of bullshit response is that?

[Anonymous No.11604280]

>>11598593
I refuse to comply with any retarded Coronavirus “prevention measures”.

[Anonymous No.11604282]

>>11601565
What does germ theory have to do with viruses?

[Anonymous No.11604582]

>>11604253
Apparently, you missed the part about respiration droplets need to be less than 5 nanometers to stay in the air. Anything bigger and they start to fall.

[Anonymous No.11604594]

>>11598593
test

[Anonymous No.11604614]

>>11598593
Yes anon. This is one reason why the CDC held back so long on saying use masks. Because people are dumb as fuck on using them.

[Anonymous No.11604620]

>>11604582
That doesn't make any sense. The measles virus is 50-500 nm and is extremely contagious because it aerosolizes so easily.

[Anonymous No.11604648]

>>11598797
Because they don't have supplies to keep changing out as they treat someone. To be 100% safe requires full spacemen suit. Most hospitals are exposing workers in a mask and some gloves to dozens of patients with cleaning crews coming in few times a day. And right now we have no fucking clue how immunity even works with this shit either so for all we know repeated exposure could be ripping their insides up.

What would be interesting to see is the treatment Boris and other state leaders get for this. Probably fully washed down 1 to 1 care vs. every sucker for themselves treatment like us

[Anonymous No.11604674]

>>11598593
It is so the people behind the mask can be infected. All part of the plan.

[Anonymous No.11604914]

>>11598776

Because by reducing spread to others over time you reduce spread back to yourself, idiot.

[Anonymous No.11605593]

>>11604620
Got something for citation? Your physics is questionable

[Anonymous No.11605674]

>>11598776
based, fellow 100% non infected

[Anonymous No.11605684]

>>11598593
>>11598593
>reuse the same mask over and over
are you aware that the virus has a half life of less than 2 minutes when outside in the sun?
no?
sounds like youre the nigger here.
NON, niggers, take off their mask and dont use it for a while when all the virus is dead

[Anonymous No.11605698]

>>11604090
fatty detected

[Anonymous No.11605888]

>>11598776
The narcissism of American's is out of this world

[Anonymous No.11605923]

>>11598776
You are a truly loathsome person.

[Anonymous No.11605933]

>>11598593
And all you mentioned is exactly why we must encourage people to wear mask: so they learn to do it, so they're more prepared when some more dangerous shit hits the fan.

[Anonymous No.11606085]

>>11605593
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Typical-droplet-distribution-for-different-kinds-of-fog_fig1_243483550
"Typically, the radius of fog particles is from 1 to 20 μm"

That's 1000-20000 nanometers, which should make it clear that aerosols much larger than 5 nanometers can remain suspended in the air for some time.

https://www.osaka-med.ac.jp/deps/b-omc/articles/532/532daikoku.pdf
The MeV-like particles budded from infected
cells that had an inclusion body in their cytoplasm (Fig. 1A). The shape of each particle was mainly round (Figs. 1A-E), but occasionally tadpole shaped (Fig. 1A arrows), rod-like (Figs.1B arrow and F) and gourd-like (Figs. 1G, H and I). The particles were found to be polymorphic and had sizes between 50 nm and 1000 nm diameter. In particular, the envelope of the large particles was thinner than the envelope of small particles.

Maybe you can provide your citation showing aerosols must be under 5 nanometers to remain airborne. This argument seems moot anyway, because if a mask is filtering >80% of particles above 7 nanometers, and SARS-CoV-2 is larger than 140 nanometers, then it should be obvious that the mask will filter the majority of the virus particles.

[Anonymous No.11606090]

>>11605698
Nope, try again.

[Anonymous No.11606845]

>>11606085
>Fog

20 nanometers is a lot smaller then your than your 50.

[Anonymous No.11606860]

>>11606845
My mistake 20 micron is smaller than 50

And fog!?! So how does the virus get into the water vapor and not be effected by the humidity?

[Anonymous No.11607194]

>>11598785

[Anonymous No.11607276]

> Dont understand cross contamination, reuse the same mask over and over, take it off in the car, will wear it inside a building with other people not wearing a mask and then get into the same car with those same people and take the mask off.

Is this a better design?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QODJN3UHluA&t=5s

Detachable filters, can swap out the used filtering material for fresh material, durable, sturdy, can seal off more of the face than OP's picture. Please give feedback to this deigns, I want to be assured this is a viable option to try to make.

[Anonymous No.11607284]

>>11607276
Or this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTmckSKt5gU

[Anonymous No.11607294]

>>11598637
>The primary infection path of Coronavirus is aerosoled moisture from the lungs
Pure conjecture.

[Anonymous No.11607323]

>>11599194
No disease functions like this, or has ever functioned like this. if this was true then immune systems would be pointless and we would never have evolved you fucking ape.

[Anonymous No.11607350]

>>11603250
No it wouldnt since you have historical influenza outbreaks to look at that killed millions of people at a time. No one wants to be the guy who said jk bros its not a big deal and then killed 15% of their population.

[Anonymous No.11607437]

>>11598637
Based

[Anonymous No.11607466]

>>11606845
>>11606860
I think you might be mixing up micrometers (microns) and nanometers. 1 μm is 1k times larger than 1 nm.

>And fog!?! So how does the virus get into the water vapor and not be effected by the humidity?
Humidity is actually quite bad for viruses, which is why some people are hopeful that SARS-CoV-2 will be less of an issue as humidity rises during the summer months (in most places, anyway).

[Anonymous No.11607484]

>>11607294
>Pure conjecture.
Not the other anon, but we know this is the case with a number of other respiratory viruses, including other coronaviruses, so it's probably the case with SARS-CoV-2 as well.

[Anonymous No.11607504]

These masks are retarded and we are just tanking the economy by being forced to do nothing

[Anonymous No.11607541]

>>11603048
These smoothlets are astonishing, even an absolute retard would realize how untrustable healthcare workers are if they've ever had an actual illness and tried to get it treated. I'd trust my veterinarian before a doctor in this country at this point.

[Anonymous No.11607598]

>live in college town with fuckload of chinese students
>they all come back from insert chinese holiday here
>whole family gets blasted by what is almost certainly coronavirus a few weeks later
>take a trip to Houston and ride the buses all day
What is the likelyhood that I have personally killed hundreds of Texans?

[Anonymous No.11607638]

>>11607598
Pretty good, but it's not your fault. My family got hammered by pneumonia in January, my mom needed to be hospitalized. Flu tests were negative. Was it COVID-19? Maybe. Whatever it was, it sucked.

[Anonymous No.11607691]

>>11607466
>Humidity is actually quite bad for viruses,
So the advocated said mask is pointless in a fog.

[Anonymous No.11607718]

>>11607691
The example of the fog was meant to show that aerosols much larger than 5 nanometers are capable of remaining suspended in the air. In fact aerosols 4000 times larger than that can remain airborne. Thus aerosols containing the virus are a concern, thus a mask is a good idea, and given that even cheap surgical masks filter 80% of particles that are 20x smaller than the virus, it's likely that they'll filter the majority of the virus particles as well.

[Anonymous No.11607754]

>>11600588

[Anonymous No.11607764]

>>11601578
US "doctors" these days only know how to shell out pills.

[Anonymous No.11607782]

>>11602988
What?

N95 masks repell water.

You can get one without an exhale valve and it will hold water like a cup.

[Anonymous No.11607783]

>>11607754
Why does that image containing the words "Discovered and developed by scientists at Cedars-Sinai, the Healight injectable disinfectant" show up nowhere but on Twitter? It's nowhere on the official product page. Did someone seriously photoshop an image just so they could add the words "injectable disinfectant" to make it look official? That wording doesn't even make sense for the what the product is.

https://aytubio.com/healight/

[Anonymous No.11607802]

>>11607783
>Noo! Injecting disinfectant will automatically kill someone!

[Anonymous No.11607811]

>>11607802
Too bad it's not an injection and is not advertised as such anywhere on the product page, poorly done photoshop aside. Even the word "disinfectant" doesn't appear anywhere on the page.

[Anonymous No.11607841]

>>11607718
The point was the fantastic reach to fuel a wild speculation. Some microbes can ride fog because they can endure the radiation and humidity, but a virus?

So if you were following along the dilemma is that a mask doesn't add protection for situations that it's NOT designed for.

Either there needs to be an outrageous set of continuous circumstances to justify wearing a mask outside it's intended use, or the virus as to have abnormally fantastic qualities to get around the improbablilty of those circumstances either being wide spread enough or continuous, in which case the mask become pointless.

TL;DR Either the mask is fashion statement where social distancing and basic hygiene cannot be managed or this virus is the most deadly thing imaginable. That's the paradox we are living?

[Anonymous No.11607847]

>>11607811
>Doesn't know the active ingredient in common hand sanitizer
>Doesn't know about ethanol being used to treat methanol poisoning
>Doesn't know nebulized ethanol is used to treat pulmonary edema

[Anonymous No.11607863]

>>11607841
>Some microbes can ride fog because they can endure the radiation and humidity, but a virus?
Is your suggestion that there's no viruses that remain infectious while riding on aerosols? If that's the case, then it's you who should defend the point because that's in direct contradiction to a large amount of scientific evidence.

>or the virus as to have abnormally fantastic qualities to get around the improbablilty of those circumstances
Influenza, other coronaviruses (including SARS and MERS), measles, all have been shown to be aerosolized and remain infectious. SARS-CoV-2 would be the exception if it didn't behave in similar manner.

>in which case the mask become pointless.
We're sitting here talking about aerosols and particle size, but all of that is secondary to the fact that masks have been studied in the prevention of viral infections, including during the 2003 SARS epidemic, and they reduced the risk of infection dramatically. We can hypothesize about whether they should or shouldn't work, or how they work, but all that matters is that masks really are efficacious.

[Anonymous No.11607867]

>>11607847
I was talking about the photoshopped UV light image. Now show me a study where ethanol is injected to function as a disinfectant. The amount needed to actually function as a disinfectant would cause organ damage.

[Anonymous No.11607878]

>>11607863
>there's no viruses that remain infectious while riding on aerosols?
In fog? How?

[Anonymous No.11607892]

>>11607878
Are you trolling me?

>>11604582
>Apparently, you missed the part about respiration droplets need to be less than 5 nanometers to stay in the air.

That's what you said. The 5 nm statement is wrong, just wrong, and the only point about the fog was to show you that aerosols MUCH larger than that remain suspended in the air.

[Anonymous No.11607896]

>>11607867
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2003/2003.12444.pdf

It is a disinfectant regardless of how it is used.

[Anonymous No.11607933]

>>11607896
>It is a disinfectant regardless of how it is used.
Well the argument was about injections, and to reach high enough levels in the blood to serve as a disinfectant would kill the patient.

However, the paper is interesting, but it's only a proof of concept. The alcohol will still be absorbed into the bloodstream, even when inhaled, and it's not known if it will remain in contact with the virus long enough to be effective.

[Anonymous No.11607955]

I've seen at least 5 people wear them only covering their mouths. I honestly think it's a dutiful act that white people do without any comprehension of why.

[Anonymous No.11607987]

>>11607955
Lots of people only do it because they don't want a thousand dollar fine or jail time.
Only panicky retards (yourself, for instance) really want to wear the masks.

[Anonymous No.11608088]

>>11607987
Chill the fuck out nigger, I don't know what cucked shithole country you live in but I haven't even heard of fines for not wearing masks where I live. On second thought, kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.11608777]

>>11607987
>I don't want to wear a mask.
>Therefore, I'll intentionally wear it wrong, effectively defeating the purpose of wearing it.
Yeah, that seems rational.

[Anonymous No.11610560]

>>11607892
How does a virus, primarily in nuclei droplets get into the fog to infect other people? It's too humid and when the fog lifts it's exposed to more radiation

[Anonymous No.11610589]

>use HEPA filters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QODJN3UHluA&t=13s
https://youtu.be/W6d3twpHwis?t=1
>don't use HEPA filters
https://youtu.be/qiYbXsIcI7E?t=1

God fucking damn it this is why I fantasize about rebreathers/sealed off air systems.

What the fuck is a material that can be used to protect me from COVID that isn't in short supply? Paper towels? Cotton? HEPA filters? Shirt clothing? Everything? Nothing?

[Anonymous No.11610597]

>>11610589
Wrap your head in several layers of Saran Wrap.

[Anonymous No.11610602]

>>11608777
Masks are stuffy. By keeping the nose exposed, they can breath normally but also keep within the letter of the retarded law.

[Anonymous No.11610638]

Only one way to prevent aerosolized infection.

[Anonymous No.11611355]

>>11604582
>Apparently, you missed the part about respiration droplets need to be less than 5 nanometers to stay in the air.
Prove it.

[Anonymous No.11611497]

>being even mildly worried about a disease which has taken 5 months to kill 200k people

Its a confirmed nothingburger, I was on the societal collapse train back in January watching china's reaction but its become obvious it's literally nothing. Can't believe the global economy got glassed for this shit man.

[Anonymous No.11611545]

>>11601515
I'd guess that they even help in those cases, since the masks are deflecting or stopping the saliva from entering or spreading to the front of the person coughing

[Anonymous No.11612908]

>>11611355
Should read nuclei droplets and it's microns

[Anonymous No.11612921]

>>11604277
>what kind of bullshit response is that
what i say errytime trump opens that asshole of a mouth

[Anonymous No.11612931]

>>11607955
>I've seen at least 5 people wear them only covering their mouths
still better than no mask

[Anonymous No.11612934]

>>11612921
Again, what kind of bullshit response is that? Neither my comment nor the comment you originally responded to had anything to do with Trump.

[Anonymous No.11612935]

>>11610589
homemade washable cloth mask is good enough unless you are a healthcare worker

[Anonymous No.11613005]

>>11612931
>still better than no mask
The fact that they have the mask? sure
The fact that wearing it that way means they are effectively not wearing a mask? It's definitely nearly equivalent to having no mask. Especially since most people breathe through their noses

[Anonymous No.11613022]

>>11613005
nope, it is still much better than no mask, corona is a droplet infection and covering mouth alone will stop most of the droplets that people emit

[Anonymous No.11613036]

>>11598785
Stop thinking m8. You look like a tryhard fool. Just parrot.

[Anonymous No.11613045]

>>11598776
It's fitting that your post ends with 776