/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11595939]

Any particular reason why we don't have huge starships yet?

[Anonymous No.11595940]

>>11595939
No, no reason at all. we're just lazy and nobody has ever thought of star ships.

[Anonymous No.11595941]

>>11595939
>>>/trash/
why do you think OP do you think spaceships grow on trees?

[Anonymous No.11595942]

>>11595939
Because we don't have anywhere interesting to go, and even if we did, we don't have a way to get there in a reasonable amount of time, and even if we did, we don't have the technology to do anything interesting there.

[Anonymous No.11595943]

Space is impassable.
Massive ships are time consuming to manufacture and could never get off of the ground due to the square-cube law.

[Anonymous No.11595944]

>>11595942
>nowhere interesting
>what is Mars
>what are moons of Jupiter and Saturn

[Anonymous No.11595945]

>>11595942
not retarded OP but asteroids are ripe for mining alot better then mining on earth if you manage to bring them back to earth. thats the main reason to go to space

[Anonymous No.11595946]

We could if we wanted to, but the elites decided that producing and feeding more brown humans is a better use of planet earths resources

[Anonymous No.11595947]

>>11595946
>think elites are preventing us from going to space
retarded. going to space is expensive with no real reason to go other then astroid mining which might not be worth it ever

[Anonymous No.11595948]

>>11595944
>interesting
>lifeless hunks of rock with nothing to do there
There's a reason we're sending robots to mars and not humans.

[Anonymous No.11595949]

big starships require even bigger boosters

[Anonymous No.11595950]

>>11595943
>ever get off of the ground due to the square-cube law.
Not a problem if you build the thing on space

[Anonymous No.11595951]

>>11595948
>lifeless rocks now
>engineer mars to be human utopia
>cringey random autist thinks still bad
retarded autist

[Anonymous No.11595952]

>>11595949
and if youre saying "just build them in space" we arent even at the level of having more than like a dozen humans in space at a time, and even then those humans are indoors in space, not space walking around each other with tools.

[Anonymous No.11595953]

>>11595944
You could go visit the Red Rock Canyon right now and it would be 10 times more exciting than anything mars has to offer,

[Anonymous No.11595954]

>>11595951
Is it the birth of a brand new meme?

[Anonymous No.11595955]

>>11595948
A manned base on the Moon would be nice btw.
>>11595951
>terraforming Mars
When we have the knowledge for that, we will have to terraform Earth too. Fucking fermi paradox

[Anonymous No.11595956]

>>11595939
yeah they're not possible

[Anonymous No.11595957]

>>11595939
Stuck babysitting brown people

[Anonymous No.11595958]

>>11595955
>earth has preexisting ecosystem cough in the wrong direction fuck up ecosystem and fuck it up
>mars no preexisting ecosystem
>can choose what plants
>choose what bacteria
>choose what plants
>ecosystem fail? its okay we can restart without having humanity all die
>an empty canvas compared to one already drawn
>retarded autist still thinks it is lifeless

[Anonymous No.11595959]

>>11595939
Why should we have it?

[Anonymous No.11595960]

>>11595939
immigration.

[Anonymous No.11595961]

>>11595959
5g doesnt cause cancer you imbecile

[Anonymous No.11595962]

>>11595958
ok cya in 100 year-
>ecosystem fail? its okay we can restart
ok cya in 200 years
nobody gives a fuck, humans, especially people in charge, do not give a fuck about such time scales

[Anonymous No.11595963]

>>11595957
Gotta give 'em gibs.

[Anonymous No.11595964]

>>11595958
>>mars no preexisting ecosystem
Probably. There can be few organisms. Also no atmosphere due to low level gravity and thanks to this, massive radiation from space.
>>11595961
Have a (You)

[Anonymous No.11595965]

>>11595939
Because (((they))) wont let us.

[Anonymous No.11595966]

space isnt real you buffoon

[Anonymous No.11595967]

>>11595965
you dont even know what direction is up

[Anonymous No.11595968]

>>11595965
Who is they

[Anonymous No.11595969]

>>11595966
everything is real

[Anonymous No.11595970]

>>11595964
the gravity is powerful enough to have an atmosphere just after couple million years it will dissipate so not really in any human time scale. there are many different theories on creating an atmosphere like nuking (or some sort other way of eating) the north and south pole things like this could create an atmosphere. then slowly building up from that.

[Anonymous No.11595971]

>>11595962
sure humanity is retarded creating a modern day garden of eden on mars is a pretty worthy goal.

[Anonymous No.11595972]

>>11595971
In reality the only things that can happen is either the colonies are never allowed to be self-sufficient or they get wrecked the moment they do and try to declare independence.

[Anonymous No.11595973]

>>11595950
We need an orbital elevator for that

Humanity literally cannot enter space age until we build orbital elevators

[Anonymous No.11595974]

>>11595967
>>11595965
>>11595963
>>11595960
>>11595957
>>11595947
>>11595946
https://youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4

https://www.history.com/news/apollo-11-moon-landing-launch-protests

[Anonymous No.11595975]

>>11595974
my browser doesnt support youtube

[Anonymous No.11595976]

>>11595972
no reason to go to mars other then to make it into a utopia and for this reason no reason for it to become independent. basically become vacation land/really rich people place to live. if you can teraform mars you can mine astroids and have fusion ie making mars not really have any economical reasons to go to.

[Anonymous No.11595977]

Reminder that the Mars meme man was born and raised in South Africa and he's so desperate to leave earth forever because he's already seen the future in person

[Anonymous No.11595978]

>>11595977
look up how he raising his kids

[Anonymous No.11595979]

>>11595975
Good thing there's also a pic and an article in that post all reinforcing the same points

[Anonymous No.11595980]

>>11595974
>spending lots of money on engineering and science gives huge impacts on our lives not instantly but can easily be seen today.
BUT WHAT ABOUT SHORT TERM SPENDING ON FOOD WE SHOULD SPEND ON THAT INSTEAD
this is the problem with humans and why we dont do anything about climate change

[Anonymous No.11595981]

>>11595974
Imagine listening to that and still being left wing afterwards, going "Yeah that's cool he's totally right"

[Anonymous No.11595982]

>>11595975
>my browser doesnt support youtube
Wut

[Anonymous No.11595983]

>>11595974
>fat niggress
>i'm hungry
she's honest at least

[Anonymous No.11595984]

>>11595978
tell us more anon

[Anonymous No.11595985]

>>11595982
what dont you understand

[Anonymous No.11595986]

>>11595985
Are you browsing on a text terminal from the 70s

[Anonymous No.11595987]

Rockets are a meme
Space elevator when?

[Anonymous No.11595988]

>>11595984
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/grimes-pregnant-elon-musk-baby-child-sex-gender-twitter-a9353401.html
retarded source but just read the quotes they have in it from elon's wife

[Anonymous No.11595989]

>>11595987
>>11595973
>lemme just invent something that violates material science real quick

[Anonymous No.11595990]

Because all we have is primitive archaic literally caveman tier rockets that are nothing more than a cylinder packed full of explosives.

Until actual real technology is developed and that caveman thing is left in dust of history nobody is leaving this rock ever.

[Anonymous No.11595991]

>>11595989
Actually easy to build one with today's materials, it's just that entrenched financial interests in missile tech prefer to gobble up all the money.

[Anonymous No.11595992]

It's illegal to go to space. You try and you will be turned back by US navy

[Anonymous No.11595993]

>>11595991
>Actually easy to build one with today's materials
Kevlar isn't good enough and nobody has ever made a carbon nanotube more than a few inches long, plus it's possible that carbon nanotubes also aren't good enough

[Anonymous No.11595994]

>>11595987
impractical garbage there are a lot better designs to make space travel more economic. get with the modern conceptions of the best way to do this shit ie sky hook
>>11595990
this is the only way space travel will work. its how we move something from one place to another there isnt some crazy scifi shit. thats why we build things like skyhooks that make everything alot cheaper and make everything practical

[Anonymous No.11595995]

>>11595988
ok but how is that related to wanting to leave earth and go to mars

[Anonymous No.11595996]

>>11595995
>elon is actually red pilled wait no he is not but what about space again?

[Anonymous No.11595997]

>>11595994
>>11595990
Reusable rockets are perfectly feasible, and "we expended $250,000 of fuel to put 20 to 100 tons of material in space" is much more practical than "we expended $100 million of rocket to put 20 to 100 tons of material in space"

[Anonymous No.11595998]

>>11595977
Yeah, very original.

[Anonymous No.11595999]

>>11595971
>laughs in martian congressional republic

[Anonymous No.11596000]

>>11595997
reusable rockets are not really unless you do the elon way which still costly. its because of tsiolkovsky rocket equation. thats why we build skyhook before we do anything.

[Anonymous No.11596001]

>>11595994
Ah yes the good old "just build gigantic mega space project bro it's so simple"

What was that stellar engine concept thing I read sometime ago. Pity I forgot it it would have fit right in ITT.

[Anonymous No.11596002]

>>11596001
not real build a prototype we can build prototypes of skyhooks riight now

[Anonymous No.11596003]

>>11595999
blocks your path >>11595962

[Anonymous No.11596004]

>>11596001
For me, it's the EM Drive - Schrodinger's engine, it provides free, reactionless thrust that's always exactly within the margin of error of the device you're using to measure how much thrust it's producing.

Therefore we just need to invent a meter so shitty that its margin of error is greater than the speed of light, and we will have the galaxy colonized within weeks.

[Anonymous No.11596005]

NASA is currently prepping the Artemis program which will establish a permanent orbital outpost around the moon and temporary habitable bases on the moon
Manufacturing on the moon is the next jumping point as take off from the moon is orders of magnitude easier than getting off earth

[Anonymous No.11596006]

>>11596003
But that's exactly my point, for a project like this you would have to firmly unify humanity.

[Anonymous No.11596007]

>>11595939
>>>/sci/

[Anonymous No.11596008]

>>11595970
We should rather build a stanford torus close to Earth. Cheaper and easier.

[Anonymous No.11596009]

interest in space isn't there yet for trillion dollar companies.
And no company besides maybe SpaceX and a few other smaller ones want to put in the initial work to get there.
But the second word gets out that other planets or (relatively) near systems have rare metals or other resources in adundance. We'll probably enter the second space race (and cold war) over night, and we'll see massive interest shifting towards it.

[Anonymous No.11596010]

>>11595942
>Because we don't have anywhere interesting to go

a ever expanding 14 billion light years space has nothing interesting to see

man you must be lonely as fuck

[Anonymous No.11596011]

>>11596008
>building all of the land and other shit is cheaper
mars is fucking huge building something as large as it is impossible you get more bang for you buck by teraforming mars

[Anonymous No.11596012]

>>11596000
We build it only after the orbital elevator though otherwise it will be too expensive because of the tyranny of the rocket equation.

[Anonymous No.11596013]

>>11595995
Because if Elon gets to Mars first then he’ll fuck it up too. On the bright side, since he is this retarded there is little danger that he will ever actually get to Mars.

[Anonymous No.11596014]

>>11596013
>he’ll fuck it up too
how so?

[Anonymous No.11596015]

>>11595939
Because there is no point in going to space.

>but muh science
nobody gives a shit about moon rocks, or mars dust

>but muh asteroid mining
it will never be cheaper to mine in space than to mine/recycle on earth

>but muh survival of humanity
last deadly asteroid impact was 200 million years ago. chance of it happening within another, say, million years or so is laughably small

[Anonymous No.11596016]

>>11596015
our population isn't growing smaller.
Resources on earth aren't growing.
animal life on earth isn't growing.
Everything points to space colonization being vital as a species.
I have no idea why people like you want to dismiss space so abruptly, it's mind-boggling.

[Anonymous No.11596017]

>>11596014
Because coddling the mentally and emotionally weak is contrary to nature/Darwinism

[Anonymous No.11596018]

>>11595939
Niggers

[Anonymous No.11596019]

>>11596017
When has Elon ever done this?
I personally think he's not the genius everyone thinks he is, but most of the big things he's done have been for pure progress's sake/ solving a problem
>electric cars
>space
>better internet
>trying to alleviate traffic with the underground tunnels
I'm not really seeing your point here.
I think he could make great progress in opening up terra-forming as a serious thing more people/companies look at. Because I think Earth is long-past the period of needing a recovery period from modern humanity.

[Anonymous No.11596020]

>>11596016
>our population isn't growing smaller.
It will, population always matches available resources, sooner or later

>Resources on earth aren't growing.
Don't have to, there's enough. And if there isn't enough because there's too many people, then the problem lies with the latter and not the former.

>animal life on earth isn't growing.
again, because there are too many fucking monkeys on this planet

>Everything points to space colonization being vital as a species.
>the only solution to this out of control fire is obviously to give it even more space and fuel to grow even bigger

Space travel is neo-liberalism in disguise: AAAARG MY ECONOMY NEEDS TO BE EVEN BIGGER I NEED TO CONSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM MORE GROWTH MORE MORE MORE

[Anonymous No.11596021]

>>11595991
Yeah sure, we can totally build an elevator capable of lifting tonnes of material and is 160km tall with today's available materials

[Anonymous No.11596022]

>>11595939
Lack of technology plus everything too fucking far away.

[Anonymous No.11596023]

>>11595939
the government agencies already possess that king of technology, including the ability to warp time to be at a certain place. the Nazis were the first ones to come up with saucer type ships. they were never deployed but if they had a few more days to prepare they would've won

[Anonymous No.11596024]

>>11596020
>It will, population always matches available resources, sooner or later
Why the fuck do you think progress through calamity is a good thing?
Are you a post-apoc romantic or something?
>Don't have to, there's enough.
There isn't though.
China has fished the ocean into oblivion.
trees will be an endangered species by the end of this century.
and most food we eat will be entirely artificial.
Humanity needs to spread out and have several alternative methods of living so we can figure out what works and what doesn't.
Why the fuck do you want to restrict everyone to this one shitty house, in one shitty block? When we have literally endless amounts of real estate to build and expand on?

[Anonymous No.11596025]

>>11595939
We are on one right now

[Anonymous No.11596026]

>>11595939
Diversity

[Anonymous No.11596027]

>>11595980
>problem with humans
They aren't human, anon

[Anonymous No.11596028]

>>11596023
>but if they had a few more days to prepare they would've won
How so?
They were researching crazy weapons and tech even pre-poland invasion. What kind of war-winning break through only needed a few more days to stop a 150k man invasion? Also most sources cite hitler at giving up months prior and making the arrangements for argentina.

[Anonymous No.11596029]

>>11596024
>Why the fuck do you think progress through calamity is a good thing?
Because it's the only way we will ever achieve stability. You just want to keep the party going even longer, which will only make the inevitable crash all the worse.

And the crash is coming. Climate change, Corona virus, ... It's only just begun. By the end of this century there will be less people alive than there are today. Hopefully a lot less. So that the survivors can live in a better, more sustainable world. And hopefully having learned their lesson, they never allow human population to explode again.

[Anonymous No.11596030]

>>11596029
So you want to force humanity into suffering so we learn the hard way, realize our great error and never do it again?
Yeah that's a great idea and will surely work out well.
And i don't want to keep the party going.
I want to break it up.
You're the sado who wants to lock everyone in the room and take away food and water.
Humanity can't stay on one planet for its entirety, that's absolutely ludicrous. And wasting our time trying to circumvent and patch the earth up as we're killing it is an awful solution.
Again, you anti-space people always fail to explain the problem with expanding.

[Anonymous No.11596031]

>>11595939
negroes

[Anonymous No.11596032]

Redpilled answer: lol niggers
Bluepilled answer: It would cost tremendous amount of work and money with virtually no payoff.

[Anonymous No.11596033]

>>11596032
>and money with virtually no payoff.
you mean no short-term payoff
long-term payoff when the smart companies obtain monopolies on land and resources is insurmountable.

[Anonymous No.11596034]

>>11596030
>So you want to force humanity into suffering
Unfortunately, great calamities are the only way people learn. People are dumb animals. They first need have family drown in a flood before they realize building a dyke might be a good idea. They first need to have friends die in a fire before they agree that building codes are good to have.

>I want to break it up.
You're not breaking anything up. People will consume all the resources they can. They always will. It's Jevons paradox and you're walking right into it with "let's just open up more resources in space!". Populations always grow until they hit a limit.

>lock everyone in the room and take away food and water.
No, I want to see human population reduced to stable and maintainable levels. This planet can be a high-tech Utopia for 100 million people, not 10 billion, which is where we're going (though we'll probably crash before then)

>fail to explain the problem with expanding.
Our population level is already unsustainable. Your solution is to buy us more time and postpone the inevitable. My solution is to reduce population and avert the inevitable.

[Anonymous No.11596035]

>>11596032
Investments as large as this will never be on a "budget"
It'll be designed and built with a blank check

[Anonymous No.11596036]

>>11596034
the strong men create good times cycle defeats your very naive notion that "lmao just kill off a few billion and we'll be good" approach is feasible.
What do we do after all those people die?
Invoke strict 1-2 child laws so it never happens again?
Just straight up set a hard cap and somehow kill people constantly to meet that goal?
By expanding the species in space we can start over and learn from our mistakes on earth and maybe discover new things we'd never find on earth.
And the people on earth can hopefully realize that population control is vital, without the need for edgelord genocide.

[Anonymous No.11596037]

>>11596010
Have we found any particular points of interest there? Not just billions of relatively same-ish planets and stars? Something worth of physically seeing yourself?

[Anonymous No.11596038]

No need OP.

don't get me wrong I love the idea of space travel but our solar system is essentially empty with nothing of interest up there. No peoples to conquer, to technology to scavenge, no kinky alien sex. Just a vast expanse of empty with a few geological balls that while certainly a curiosity, don't make space travel worthwhile.

Until the technology for interstellar travel becomes a reality then space exploration while interesting, is mostly a waste of time

[Anonymous No.11596039]

>>11596037
ye man, just invent telescopes that can CSI zoom in trillions upon trillions of light years away and magically analyze things too.
To discover there's nothing there, we first need to actually visit the places.

[Anonymous No.11596040]

>>11596038
How do you know there's no life on other planets?

[Anonymous No.11596046]

>>11595939
A constant increase in the size of a structure requires exponential increases in material strength. It might not matter as much in microgravity, but launching something that huge from the surface of the Earth would buckle under the forces imposed by its own inertia. Steel isn't good enough for monumental starships.

[Anonymous No.11596050]

>>11596046
What would the feasibility of constructing it in space be to try to circumvent the initial take-off problem?

[Anonymous No.11596051]

>>11596023
>the Nazis were the first ones to come up with saucer type ships. they were never deployed but if they had a few more days to prepare they would've won

>ja, ist a tragedy. ve were three days from launching zee alien death saucers, but zen zee soviets came and invaded berlin. Ve were sooooo close!

[Anonymous No.11596057]

>>11596050
>What would the feasibility of constructing it in space be to try to circumvent the initial take-off problem?

Sure, but you'd have the same limits on accelerating the ship. A monumental ship made of steel would have to be flown pretty carefully to avoid creating stresses that would result in failure.

[Anonymous No.11596059]

>>11596036
>What do we do after all those people die?
>Invoke strict 1-2 child laws so it never happens again?

Yes, among other things. This is just a matter of technological ability and will to enact societal policy. Assuming the primary causes of high natality are: (1) high infant mortality (2) parents needing children to be taken care of in their old age (3) lack of birth control (4) lack of other options for women other than being mothers, these are all easily dealt with (and have already been dealt with in the West.)

But unfortunately our population level is already too high, even if we were to fall to stable maintenance levels today. So first there has to be a reduction. And since, again, humans are dumb animals, I see no other way for this to happen than through famine, war, plague, and outright calamities. Which will happen, no matter what. I just hope that whichever countries survive the oncoming decades of chaos will manage to maintain a high level of technology and civilization, and be able to prevent another cycle of population boom.

First you have to lose fat, that's the hardest part. Maintaining your figure after that is easier.

[Anonymous No.11596065]

>>11595991
You could build a space elevator on mars with current materials, on earth you would need carbon nanofibers.
You're not building a space elevator on mars without heavy industry and manufacturing on site.

[Anonymous No.11596066]

>>11596059
This post is a case study in why you shouldn't buy your teenage son too many sci-fi dystopia books and/or fedoras.

[Anonymous No.11596067]

>>11596057
Well a ship of that size should be able to support multi-generations through the trip, so speed could ultimately be irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.11596073]

>>11595939
1) We can't put heavy things in space and we can't put things in space cheaply no matter how much they weigh. The situation should improve with starship.

2) The state of propulsion is bad. Chemical rockets are going to be enough to go to mars and that's basically a stone toss away on the scale of the solar system. Anything further and you need to send something small and unmanned. Things like the various types of nuclear rockets weren't researched enough in our timeline.

3) The state of radiation shielding and gravity substitution is bad. You can go to mars and accept a cancer risk. We don't know if astronauts will be fit enough to work on mar's partial gravity for a year and a half, then return in good health after another journey through zero gravity.

4) Where are you going to go? Beyond mars, there's no benefit to sending humans to other planets and moons in the solar system. And you either need a propulsion system undreamed of or a warp drive to send people to the nearest star system.

[Anonymous No.11596076]

>>11596066
>literally every week there is a new story about the (beginning) of climate collapse
>we're in the middle of a pandemic caused by globalism
>a locust swarm of biblical proportion is eating half of Africa

>hahaha anon you read too much dystopia literature
Sadly, yes, they're called newspapers.

[Anonymous No.11596079]

>>11596076
>>we're in the middle of a pandemic caused by globalism

no you're right, Fortress-American nationalism would have saved the day. it's not like we're importing huge amounts of foreign masks to satisfy our colossal demand.

oh wait, we are! and hardcore nationalism would not have stopped a pandemic from seeding in our cities.

[Anonymous No.11596092]

>>11596079
>hardcore nationalism would not have stopped a pandemic from seeding in our cities.
I'm not saying it would, I'm saying that this pandemic is the logical consequence of a globally connected world and a massive population. And as long as those conditions stay in place, it will happen again and again.

But I have every faith that humanity will learn to adapt (to itself). And so, globalism will go away. Or the massive population will. Or both. Probably both.

[Anonymous No.11596124]

>>11595939
No incentive to do so. I think we're a long way from building even an uncrewed interstellar probe, but the Solar System will be slowly opened up by pioneers starting late into this century. People seriously underestimate how fuckhuge out system is, that will keep us busy for thousands of years.

[Anonymous No.11596163]

>>11595939
We need to have a reason to have huge starships. Not having them is the default.

[Anonymous No.11596169]

>>11596092
A less-connected world and a smaller population will still have deadly pandemics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death

[Anonymous No.11596187]

>>11596065
Why don't we do it on the moon?

[Anonymous No.11596202]

>>11596187
>>11596065
Build a hook and cable that is rooted into the surface of the moon that swings around the earth and pulls shit from the surface.

[Anonymous No.11596207]

>>11596169
A deadly pandemic will always be related to the technology level available. The black death was a pandemic in medieval times because they didn't have the technology to stop it, it wouldn't be a pandemic today.

Conversely, there will always be a pandemic because there will always come a disease that will surpass your technological ability to contain/stop it. Eventually. "Current human technological level" is just another part of the environment a virus can adapt to and a niche it can develop in.

[Anonymous No.11596248]

>>11595939
Nowhere to go.

[Anonymous No.11596257]

>>11596207
>Conversely, there will always be a pandemic because there will always come a disease that will surpass your technological ability to contain/stop it. Eventually. "Current human technological level" is just another part of the environment a virus can adapt to and a niche it can develop in.

That's my point. I don't think fencing off nations and killing off a majority of the population will solve global pandemics.

[Anonymous No.11596298]

>>11595939
You need a society oriented towards it. We don't have one, we have social-stuffs, niggers and poverty.
If you look at any engineering projects, it's all about money and how easy it is. We could be building countless nuclear/fusion reactors and essentially have "infinite" energy, yet here we are making more useless wind turbines and solar panels. We have incredibly inefficient rockets that are like few % of useful cargo. Instead we could use energy generated here on earth to lift cargo into the space, which would mean close to 100% of lift efficiency.
We aren't ready socially nor technologically, and the mindset of society is not here and possibly will never be here.
The costs/money is not important, it's the culture and knowledge that comes with it, that no money can buy.
I mean just imagine if majority of population was well versed in understanding of the universe, physics and mathematics. We wouldn't have politics, as anyone with more than 2 brain cells can deduce that there's no political solution to any problems, but there're potentially technological/scientific solutions.

[Anonymous No.11596303]

>>11596016
>Everything points to space colonization being vital as a species.

It just isn't feasible, sorry bud.

[Anonymous No.11596315]

>>11596024
You're still in the "we need to save humanity" phase. We're doomed no matter what. Whether we use all of earth's resources, or our sun burns out, or the universe runs out of usable energy, it really only matters if you believe that the purpose of humanity is just to survive as long as possible.

Eventually you'll realize that the life of our species is much like our individual lives and what really matters is how we live rather than how long we live.

[Anonymous No.11596319]

>>11595939
They're not physically, energetically, or finalcially viable

[Anonymous No.11596343]

>>11595939
We would all have to work together. But we would rather lob bombs and viruses at each other.

[Anonymous No.11596345]

>>11595980
if you dont get food you die in the short term bro

[Anonymous No.11597029]

>>11595939
Apparently nobody wants to go.
The international intelligence community deliberately squashes and steals most technological progression for "national interests". There are a whole ton of game changing technologies kept under lock and key to keep the stock market afloat and ensure your kids are clean, clothed and fed. If somebody comes along and replaces petroleum, oil sinks overnight, if we find a more conductive element, gold sinks. Entire corporations, manufacturers and distributors need to work, need money - if you sink a non renewable resource or replace a trillion dollar company with a fancy new gizmo you're talking millions maybe billions of people across the world that need restructuring.

If we develop interstellar technology you're talking hydroponics, plumbing, electrical and obviously engineering and combustion feats beyond our comprehension that will revolutionise the planet, but it will sink entire industries that invested so much in the current systems that it's not economically viable, the best way to advance technologically, to build giant interstellar vehicles is slowly and progressively so we can all afford to survive when we find planets made of diamonds with oil oceans using some electromagnetic drives that our cars should be using and renewable batteries powering it that should be in every household to some extent before we leave our planetary buddys behind and get freaky on the planet of booze and babes that fucking sinks the stock market and billions die.

[Anonymous No.11597071]

>>11595974
>>These people were members and leaders of the congressional space committees. If they were willing to take such candid views, what would the rank and file do within the House and Senate? Certainly they would pay close attention to public-opinion polls - which were strongly adverse to NASA. Following Apollo 11, a Gallup Poll took a nationwide survey of views concerning flight to Mars. Fifty-three percent of the respondents were opposed to such a program; 39 percent were in favor. A few weeks later, a Newsweek poll [179] found that 56 percent of the public wanted Nixon to spend less on space. Only 10 percent wanted him to spend more

[Anonymous No.11597370]

>>11595939
we haven't needed them.

[Anonymous No.11598014]

>>11595939
Because rockets don't work in space.

Reminder, when you use logic, reason, and actual real science then you realize rockets only work (definition of work: to propel themselves forward) inside an atmosphere.

They don't and can't work in a real vacuum (space).

So will a rocket which "works in space" (propels the craft forward) ever be invented? No. No such technology can ever exist. Any claims of such tech existing is a fraud and a lie. You want to believe in a fraud and a lie?

>inb4 you parrot "newtons 3rd law!" like an NPC without any thought involved
That law isn't in dispute here. Quoting it to "prove" rockets "work in space" shows you don't grasp the fundamental problem here. The 3rd law is 100% correct. When asteroids floating in the vacuum of space crashes into each other, the 3rd law applies. Likewise, the law applies to objects interacting on the ground on Earth, underwater, and in the sky. The 3rd law is real, but it doesn't "do" anything for a rocket engine fired in a perfect vacuum.

You see, the atmosphere gets thinner at higher elevation until it disappears completely (out in space). That's the issue is here! And you can't get around that issue. Parroting "newtons's 3rd law!" or throwing math equations around, doesn't magically make the issue go away. That's just you avoiding to deal with reality. Man up and stop avoiding reality :)

If you're currently under the "rockets work in space! xd!" spell they cast on you through the entertainment industry and educational system (the indoctrination system), and you want to break free from that spell and shatter the illusion - then see these two educational videos (they play inside your browser):

First vid: https://files.catbox.moe/dl9ldw.webm
Second (also important): https://files.catbox.moe/so2rrt.mp4

Once you know that stuff - then you know beyond any doubt rocket technology will never be viable outside of Earth.

[Anonymous No.11598141]

>>11598014
besides of what you're saying being a bullshit, rockets are stupid idea to lift cargo off of planets, as 90+% of rocket has to be fuel. if you instead catapult or slingshot a ship off the planet your ship doesn't have to carry entirety of its mass in just the fuel. and also rockets are dumb, because chemical fuel is simply never ever going to be a viable thing for space travel, as it's incredibly slow burning. it made sense, sort of, to pursue rockets in 40s, but in 21st century it is the most moronic thing to do - complete dead end.

[Anonymous No.11598153]

>>11595939
The small and medium sized ones are cheaper?!