No-Fap - legit or broscience? #8

[Anonymous No.11591505]

Many people claim that No-Fap is a broscience. But I think otherwise. Here are some studies that prove my point of view.
1. Watching porn can cause erectile dysfunction.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5039517/
2. Watching porn lowers acetylcholine levels, which causes brain fog
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4600144/
3. Porn can affect your sexual tastes especially in your younger age
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/1874574
4. People who watch porn regularly have bigger mood swings and have problems with handling stress
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352853216300499
5. Study shows that there are low levels of alpha waves activity in the frontal brain region of a porn addict. People with high alpha waves can memorize stuff easier, they are more bright, creative and alert.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324139131_Pornography_Addiction_Detection_based_on_Neurophysiological_Computational_Approach
6.People abstaining from porn are better at postponing gratification. No fap also makes you less neurotic and more extroverted
http://www.alec-sproten.eu/language/en/2016/01/18/how-abstinence-affects-preferences/
7. Masturbation leads to increase of DHT which can cause hair loss
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2549675/
8. No-fap raises levels of testosterone
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241
9. Masturbation harms functionality of brain regions connected with dopaminergic system. It can cause decrease of one’s motivation
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23707935/
10. Ejaculation reduces oxytocin levels. Oxitocin is a hormone responsible for bonding with other human beings.
https://sites.tufts.edu/emotiononthebrain/2014/11/18/postcoital-neurochemistry-the-blues-and-the-highs/

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[Anonymous No.11591510]

What do you thing? Are those studies legit?

[Anonymous No.11591643]

My theory of nofap is you guys start jerking off to gay or weird stuff and feel guilty/embarrassed. Its like all the uptight christian republicans who get busted sucking dick in an airport bathroom. Its ok to be gay anon, maybe thats your problem and not the biological drive to bust nuts?

[Anonymous No.11591657]

Porn robs you of nutrients and creates a feeling of anhedonia and lifelessness. It trivializes sex and destroys the relationship between men and women.

Porn is literally just a cope for living in a world where you have no future and narcissism reigns supreme

Stop watching porn altogether, and I guarantee you'll benefit for it more than any fap ever could.

[Anonymous No.11591663]

>>11591643
Projecting much?

[Anonymous No.11591667]

>>11591657
I'm on day 24 already, but thanks for extra motivation.

[Anonymous No.11591670]

How much time does faggot OP spend every day obsessing over how often other people jerk off?

[Anonymous No.11591676]

>>11591670
Hey, my previous thread was 11 days ago

[Anonymous No.11591691]

>>11591663
Projecting about as hard as nofappers who assume that every human being who masturbates is spending hours every day jerking themselves dry to hardcore fetish porn

[Anonymous No.11591699]

>>11591691
Why jerk off at all?

[Fapfag No.11591719]

I'm going to try abstaining from porn starting now to see if any of this shit is true. I do watch porn a lot, and I never really gave much thought to it, my life is pretty good, but hey maybe stopping porn will make it... Even better? Will check in next week.

[Anonymous No.11591744]

>>11591719
Good Luck

[Anonymous No.11594022]

25 days of No-Fap.

[Anonymous No.11594039]

the only people that research nofap aren't normal, there's nothing that's gonna make them normal their life is going to be characterized by being a misfit.
There's no way porn and masturbation are good for you, it's not the cause of peoples shit life though.

It's better to not do it but don't become a fanatic

[Anonymous No.11594044]

>>11594039
Sure. But I don't feel like a fanatic. I don't want to ban porn or anything.

[Anonymous No.11594052]

>>11594044
but that's all there is to it, no shit it's bad for you there's no point looking into to it more.

[Anonymous No.11594058]

>>11594044
There's nothing fanatical about wanting to ban porn

Name a single healthy byproduct of watching porn. Just one, and I can list you dozens of ways porn is unhealthy in almost every way.

In time, porn will be what smoking was a century or so ago. You think it's harmless now, sure it doesn't kill people directly like cigarettes but the relationships it ruins, the families it destroys, the children it leaves wasted and depressed...

Banning porn is essential to ensuring the health of a nation, or at least restricting it so much women seem easier.

[Anonymous No.11594066]

>>11594058
I don't feel like regular porn should be treated the same way as child porn.
Maybe there should be a way to ensure age restriction., but idk.

[Anonymous No.11594103]

>>11591657
Porn is like drugs. Other than that porn is just an extention and substitute for what your mind would do on its own in more gradual extends anyway.

[Anonymous No.11594157]

>>11594058
erotic art in all its forms is a healthy part of all civilizations.
its alienated right wing cucks who are scared of it becuase of the extreme sexual represion they handle, and they have the balls to claim its because of porn. No my little losers, its because youre disgusting pieces of shit who dont respect women, and its hilarious how you claim your life improves after "quitting porn" .

youre just manchildren unable to take responsibility for your own actions

[Anonymous No.11594172]

>>11594157
erotic art =/= porn

[Anonymous No.11594251]

>>11591505
It's broscience, like the previous billion times you made this dogshit thread.
Even your articles call nofap bullshit.

[Anonymous No.11594334]

>>11594251
which ones?

[Anonymous No.11594340]

I haven't watched porn in about two years, and have jerked off a handful of times in that timeframe. At some point you just forget about it. No, you don't get superpowers and feel instantly better, it's hard to explain.

It's as if everyday you ate a chocolate bar, and then stopped. After a long period of time, you won't even notice it's gone, and the changes to your brain and body will be small and insignificant.

[Anonymous No.11594355]

>>11594334
6 of those articles are about porn, not about nofap.
The article about nofap supposedly raising testosterone is about the one time increase after 7 days which is meaningless because it reverts back the next day.
One of the articles straight up says "post coital", so it's about sex, not masturbation.
DHT is only a secondary cause for hair loss with genetics being the primary cause.
Your 9th article is a study made with rats.

[Anonymous No.11594409]

>>11594355
>6 of those are about porn
People, who jerk off a lot usually watch ungodly amount of porn. They want to have "fap fuel" so to speak.
>testosterone levels drop down after 7th day
It reverts and goes up again and it grows after each cycle
>it's about sex not masturbation
well it's about ejaculation
>DHT is only a secondary cause
Still a cause
>9th article is study made with rats
so?

[Anonymous No.11594512]

>>11591505


For all you fappers and porn users out there I have one question and one only - what do you have to lose if you stop?

[Anonymous No.11594520]

>>11594103
>porn is just an extention and substitute for what your mind would do on its own

I disagree. Porn use is no different than any other addiction - you are actively ruining your own neural circuitry reward mechanisms every time you engage in it. All humans are capable of falling to addiction given the right vice. To say that it is inevitable given that the initial stimulus is removed or never even stumbled upon is a complete fallacy otherwise sexual degeneracy would be rampant the world over in all societies.

[Anonymous No.11594525]

>>11594052
>>11594039

The people who look into it are usually those trying to find justification for stopping and good for them. That they would want to spread it or evangelize upon it is no different from someone stumbling upon a cool movie and wanting to share it.

[Anonymous No.11594698]

>>11594355 There's also a study that shows elevated levels of testosterone after 3 months of nofap. Do you have any data/studies that show that it reverts back?

Also would people recommend going nofap for a month, then masturbating daily and then going nofap for another month or is it better to go nofap for a week at a time?

[Anonymous No.11594729]

>>11594172
Are you optimistic about law enforcement differentiating the two in a way you would agree with?

[Anonymous No.11594775]

>>11591505
>Having an icon (an image) of God
Get out of here heretic.

[Anonymous No.11594867]

>>11591505
If you are going to post a bunch of links to scientific reports, make sure you have read them yourself. The very first link offers nothing but associative studies plus three case studies and some conjecture. Looking at the titles of the other studies, there is little promising out there, just more correlations.

[Anonymous No.11594875]

>>11591643
Stupid frog poster

[Anonymous No.11594880]

>>11594066
I think that all commercialized pornography should be banished and parents take responsibility for their children and not allow them access to media until they are sufficiently matured.

[Anonymous No.11594888]

>>11594729
Just getting rid of videos would solve most of the problem.

[Anonymous No.11594893]

>>11591505
idgaf about erectile dysfunction

[Anonymous No.11594906]

>>11594888
>Video evidence? Sorry judge, we can't have that, forbidden technology, it's allowance would lead to pornographizing you see. Now set me free to commit more crimes, hurry up.

[Anonymous No.11594924]

>>11594906
*pornographic videos

[Anonymous No.11594931]

>>11594729
It's simple. Porn depicts sexual acts and erotic art doesn't.

[Anonymous No.11594932]

how are we supposed to not fap when women outside dress and act like in porn?

[Anonymous No.11594936]

>>11594931
So human urinal videos can stay?

[Anonymous No.11594954]

>>11594936
Shut the fuck up and stop nitpicking. You and I both know the difference between porn and art. Porn isn't art. Even if it was I'd still want it fucking banned.

There isn't a single good thing about porn, and if the only thing people have to argue for it is that it's "free expression" than the future for porn looks bleak.

[Anonymous No.11594958]

>>11594932
Show some self control. You'll attain it through not watching porn. Seek out modest women.

[Anonymous No.11594959]

>>11594954
>You and I both know the difference between porn and art
And law enforcement will differentiate between them in a way we agree with?

[Anonymous No.11594976]

>>11594959
Honestly I'd rather they use too much force than no force at all, assuming we are so incompetent as to let our law enforcement do that. They're not untouchable, it's not like you can just vote a law into power and then there's nothing you can do about it from then on.

People have to be active in their communities and nationally to provide context for a law like that. Who says you can't provide context in a law to differentiate between what is porn and what is art? No fuzzy lines bullshit, no letting a politician wander off and do what he wants. Clear definitions. The problem with this in practice is that people generally don't care about anything, hell a global pandemic is sweeping the world and most of the public literally couldn't care less. You need a dedicated few, who are willing to push their politicians in the right direction or even become a politician themselves to advocate for laws that ban pornography and not art.

All about putting in the effort and not just letting things slide.

[Anonymous No.11594983]

>>11594976
>Clear definitions.
Give me one.

[Anonymous No.11595025]

>>11594958

I live in SA, you cannot take a small trip to the grocery store without seeing sluts in booty shorts and with exposed navels (my Achilles tendon). It's a coomers society.

[Anonymous No.11595026]

Professional coomer here. Regardless of any physiological or chemical changes that result from masturbation, fapping is extremely timewasting. Every time I fap I follow the same ritual of checking Instagram, Pixiv, Gelbooru/Danbooru, /d/ and /s/ for new material, open up 30+ tabs, edge for 30-45 minutes until I finally coom. The entire process takes up more than an hour of time I could be using for something more productive

[Anonymous No.11595061]

>>11591505
thank

[Anonymous No.11595066]

>>11591505
Using "broscience" as a dismissal supposes that bros could never be right about any scientific matter. This of course is prejudiced against bros, and far from the truth besides.

[Anonymous No.11595107]

>>11595066
using 'broscience' as a word is equivalent to speaking 'sjwese' which automatically qualifies you as mentally retarded

[Anonymous No.11595120]

>>11591505
>NoFap makes you more motivated and more social because of your body’s sex drive
so you’re telling me NoFap turns you into a simp

[Anonymous No.11595122]

>>11595026
I just see a chick on FB, search for our compatible zodiac signs and masturbate to the sex stories there.

[Anonymous No.11595145]

>>11595120
I'm pretty sure simps are prolific fappers.

[Anonymous No.11595150]

>>11595026
It doesn't matter if you just do it at night before sleep

[Anonymous No.11595167]

>>11595120
being sexual and being a bootlicker are different things
but it makes sense a simp would get it wrong

[Anonymous No.11595515]

>>11591643
Gee i wonder who could be behind this post

[Anonymous No.11595523]

My main question is how do i quit porn? Shit has borderline ruined my life, and i’m afraid if i keep going i’ll start acting like those /r9k/ faggots. Help me, /sci/. Please help.

[Anonymous No.11595529]

>>11595523
>My main question is how do i quit porn?
Just quit... there is no trick to it, it requires only your will to do so. Are you a slave to your base impulses, or do you control your own actions? That's up for you to decide.

[Anonymous No.11595564]

>>11595523
Install ColdTurkey and block all your favorite porn websites.

[Anonymous No.11595658]

>>11595523
When it gets down to it, you just have to stop. Self control is the only way to quit, ultimately you will need to control your own behaviors and not give in to short-term pleasure. There are a few notable insights I can offer. I have found that the most difficult part of abstaining is the first 5-8 days. During that time I tend to get the most intense cravings, but afterwards they fall off drastically. There is still some temptation, but it is less visceral and more in the background. By the second week you will barely even think of porn, and the thought of watching it will seem uninteresting or undesirable. It doesn’t feel as difficult because porn starts to seem unappealing anymore. Similar to the difference between eating a home cooked meal versus cheap fast food. Also if you have a very hard time quitting, I recommend tapering off. Instead of quitting all at once, try reducing how often you indulge, and gradually quit. I notice if I quit all at once, I will eventually relapse much harder.

[Anonymous No.11595662]

I tried no-fap and I just got horny and asked out a chick from work, so it does work in the sense that you will be so thirsty for pussy you will forget about your awkwardness


honestly the most healthy I ever felt was having regular sex, it beats all the effects of no-fap and of abstination, have sex nerds

[Anonymous No.11595682]

>>11595523
Try to not try to try to quit porn. Just be like oh I dont watch porn or I dont masturbate instead of "im trying to quit". Notice things that trigger you to want to masturbate, notice the desire and acknowledge it, then replace that action with some other action that has a reward and repeat every time you feel the urge. Also dont think about not masturbating and dont think about not trying to think about not masturbating.

[Anonymous No.11595763]

>>11595523
Just jerk off without porn

[Anonymous No.11596259]

Personally haven't watched porn for the majority of my lifetime. Would even go for months easily without masturbating for example and had no problems in regards to that. Like some sort of self-control? Then the no fap became a popular thing and I still didn't care.

All I ever wanted was to hold hands with a girl and talk about sweet little nothings under the starry sky of the moonlight while walking by the river on a warm summer day.
Well, that never came and will never happen. So, naturally I went to the porn side of things a little bit half a year ago. And now I can say that I've been living the best part of my life, I mean it's many things and it's far from perfect or maybe even decent, but can't seem to think that porn somehow makes my life for the worse now. It's a thing to enjoy. I don't see how it "changes my taste" I don't find deranged stuff interesting or stimulating even. I'm as vanilla as it comes and that has never changed. Rather, I find myself being repulsed by anything else but vanilla stuff. I've never been more motivated ever in my life either, I never did as much as I do nowadays. The way I see it now, is that it is just something you do to contribute to your general well-being. Seems to be working for me and if that's bad, then so be it.
I think the 4chan in general is way worse for you than any porn could ever be, so if anything fix yourself from 4chan.
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>>11594520
>otherwise sexual degeneracy would be rampant the world over in all societies.
Isn't that actually the case though in modern world? It's completely degenerate and deranged. There's insane volumes of porn, the relationships don't really exist anymore, for the majority of women there only exists a very few men to satisfy them etc etc. Money >> morality/values.

[Anonymous No.11596266]

>>11596259
>Would even go for months easily without masturbating for example and had no problems in regards to that. Like some sort of self-control

no that's called long CAG repeat and low testosterone, hope that helps. keep going with the "nofap" challenge man sounds like a cool thing to do

[Anonymous No.11596272]

>>11591643
Yeah, stop feeling ashamed over fapping to infants, free yourself and let your sex drive guide you!

[Anonymous No.11596278]

>>11596266
I never did no fap challenge. Nor am I planning to. I was talking that I'd go for months without. But there's no reason not to, if you can, because you're just denying yourself something that is pleasant. If it makes your life that little bit more enjoyable, then why is that supposed to be a bad thing?
I even argued, that it's better to fap than to abstain. But you didn't read past first sentence I guess.

[Anonymous No.11596305]

>>11596266

Limp dick coom brain

[Anonymous No.11596309]

>>11596259
>only been lightly watching porn for a few months
i think it usually takes years before you are conditioned enough to break the traditional societal ideas about sexuality and start delving into degenerate shit. i started out as females only, vagina only, no more than one on one, and seeing a mans dick was a turn off. now i masturbate to gay furry porn twice daily and have a cross dressing fetsh, and sometimes i spice it up with traps, straight hentai, or maybe even a real female.

[Anonymous No.11596331]

>>11596309
It's been more than half a year and I don't want to say every day, but something close to that. I bought vr and onahole. So maybe it's not even "normal" watching of porn to begin with.
I mean, in your case it seems to actually have helped a lot to go into porn, as that brought you closer to reality and now you have a contact with an actual human being.

[Anonymous No.11596354]

being sexual in any way is even a bigger sin as blasphemy or gruesome murder. (if its not the purpose 4 reproduction) I hope you all stew in hell 4 even mind that someone maybe mind about sth. some one mind. Confess Regret!!!

[Anonymous No.11596359]

>>11596331
I meant real as in not 2d. still just porn. the only girl i've been close to in years is my own sister, and it doesn't help that I developed an incest fetish too.

[Anonymous No.11596408]

Question.

Is it just assumed that everyone is in need of the benefits of nofap? Let's say you work at some dull office or some shitty place like Buzzfeed.
You feel like garbage for 8 hours a day, but need the money. If the work you do is mindnumbing and soul crushing to begin with,
how is being "the biggest strongest, most mentally aware slave on the plantation" something you'd want to be?
Think about some Chinese fella on a smoke break, working at a glass factory in Xinxonpinpong province.
How would taking away his cigarettes improve his life?

Now take your average nofapped go-getter, what's his life like?
1. He doesn't beat his meat
2. He seems to have a lot of free time and a not so demanding, fulfilling job (making YouTube vlogs or some other social job)

Someone who's life is relatively stress free, can easily feel fulfilled by their new nofapperoni hobby.
However, I don't think Chang, who spends half of his day at the asbestos factory cares about the negative side-effects of a wank , as long as it feels good.

[Anonymous No.11596424]

>>11596408
porn is brain aids, so is everything you like and you believe you love. Find Jesus.

[Anonymous No.11596462]

>>11596424
Is Jesus going to make Chang happy?

[Anonymous No.11596468]

>>11596462
>Chang
This is why i hate religion. this people are so mind-fucked that normal people cant even detect my statement as joke. cause this is how they are.

no buddy do what ever you want as long as you dont go to hurt some one. i do it as well. but 4 some strange reason i rarely watch porn.

[Anonymous No.11596470]

>>11596424
why would/does anyone care about a random mudslide from 2k years ago?
why do you use technology? isn't it against your values?

[Anonymous No.11596480]

>>11596424
>>11596468
>>11596470
see what i mean?

[Anonymous No.11596481]

>>11591505
Legit
Stay strong

[Anonymous No.11596493]

>>11596480
religious people and not only, seem serious and your post seemed serious in a dogmatic sense. how does this make me "unable to take a joke"?
I don't know your intonation, inflexion or tone, so all I have are words. religious people are generally nuts. I'd wager it's them that are unable to take a joke in most cases. I mean whatever, I just in general find it very interesting how people pretend that x doesn't exist, so that they can keep on believing in y. and I want to understand this phenomena I suppose, so I ask. maybe the curiosity about useless things is just useless.

[Anonymous No.11596551]

>>11596493
Based on our personal experience our brain tries to model reality. This is an defense mechanism vs our environment. Now if we are confronted with contradicting knowledge, our brain is at risk to make the wrong decisions---> which results in fear about the new knowledge, so we reject it. You need to force your self to learn the hole picture before you truly can accept this new knowledge.

[Anonymous No.11596561]

Porn is how trannies reproduce.

[Anonymous No.11596574]

>>11591505
It's about the way you fap more than that you fap. If it's a routine where you go and watch degenerate filth on pornhub, then yes, like a trojan horse it'll gradually erode your psyche from within. If it's imagination or "vanilla" / softcore stills, your psyche will be in large part spared as you're more in control. It can even have a beneficial effect.

Basically this discussion is an indirect means of getting at Pavlovian and operant conditioning, hypnosis, photic stimulation, crowd psychology, and the general nature of media. For example it's well known that the rapid nature of scenecuts affects the way memory is stores and the way information is processed. It's known that flickering light and color can alter EEG, eg exposure to red light disturbs alpha rhythm, exposure to television generally however is known to make the alpha band dominant. On and on.

Many porn companies are owned by the same small group of people. Most of them are known Jews. Whatever that means.

[Anonymous No.11596588]

>>11596574
>exposure to television generally however is known to make the alpha band dominant.
what does that mean?

[Anonymous No.11596602]

>>11596551
it's not an incorrect way to look at things, certainly. and I understand this, it's just what if I'm wrong? what do other people think? maybe what I think is wrong? so you constantly tug and pull and test and re test everything, so same thing I do here. maybe it's because it's a way to procrastinate or just out of boredom or many other reasons and possibilities as to why I bothered with that. I should go do something productive right now and been trying to for the past hour.

What you say is not wrong, but there could be other reasons too, so I'm always open to ideas. your answer was just an normal decent answer, and rarely do you expect to get a normal decent answer here, so I'm just writing all of this now for no reason anymore.

[Anonymous No.11596624]

>>11596588
Alpha dominant state is more passive, and entails enhanced uptake of information. It's non-critical thinking, and some other stuff involves emotional state (disturbed alpha rhythm correlates with irritability).

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0143719

[Anonymous No.11596629]

>>11591505
From my understanding, frequent ejaculations lead to Zinc deficiency. So men who masturbate often tend to be deficient in this element. Which can lead to a whole host of health issues, so in this one way we can see Masturbation is harmed.