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[Anonymous No.11586971]

Main thread for everything coronavirus.
Have you been diagnosed with coronavirus?

Have you survived or are you currently fighting coronavirus?

Are you a healthcare worker who has to take care of coronavirus patients?

Latest info on treatments and anything else coronavirus?

numbers and data on coronavirus 3 WEEKS AGO:
1,097,508 confirmed infections
58,536 confirm deaths
221,303 confirmed recoveries

numbers and data on coronavirus 1 WEEK AGO:
1,854,174 confirmed infections
114,291 confirmed deaths
427,896 confirmed recoveries

current numbers and data:
2,481,866 confirmed infections
170,455 confirmed deaths
651,540 confirmed recoveries

[Anonymous No.11586991]

>>11586971
To the best of my knowledge, I've never been tested for it.

[Anonymous No.11587180]

I'm scared of coronavirus guys help :(

[Anonymous No.11587524]

>>11587180
Stop breathing immediately.

[Anonymous No.11587528]

>>11586971
>Have you survived or are you currently fighting coronavirus?
Had it starting 22 or so days ago. 3 days of light fever, headache, and dry cough, followed by 3 days of sore throat and cough. After that came the loss of smell and taste, which lasted about a week, now for the last 8 or so days only the dry cough has remained, the little phlegm I have has been going from yellow to transparent, with only a little yellow stuff in the morning when I just got out of bed. Dry cough persists but much much less, has been decreasing constantly.

However it seems very tied to stress, yesterday was a calm day and I had almost no cough at all, today it's a bit more stressful and I got some of it back.

[Anonymous No.11587582]

Daily reminder:
>If everyone was vegan, there would be no covid-19
Think about that, absorb that information, work out how you will incorporate it into your worldview.

[Anonymous No.11587622]

>>11587582
Or just don't eat every single thing that moves. It is well known that bats and pangolins carry nasty shit, but chinks will eat anything that moves, and also what doesn't.

[Anonymous No.11587636]

>>11587622
Where did swine flu come from again? How about bird flu? Covid-19 happens to come from one kind of meat-eating, but you could get pandemics from any non-vegan activity.

[Anonymous No.11587648]

Yet another study came out yesterday showing about 50 times as many people have the virus as predicted though there has not been a corresponding 50 fold increase in hospitalizations or deaths. It looks like almost everyone will end up getting the virus. The lockdowns have been worthless because infection is almost impossible to prevent. You will get it. But the complications rate is 50 to 100 times less than thought. No matter the death rate, multiply it by 330 million people, you still get a large number, probably around 40k but far from the earlier estimates for both locked down population and free population. It's not even apparent that "flattening the curve" has helped anywhere other than the most densely populated areas. Most of us gave up our freedoms to save old fat people in the center of big cities.

[Anonymous No.11587655]

>>11587648
>old fat people in big cities
but that includes the most important members of society, like Donald Trump.

[Anonymous No.11587672]

>>11587648
We do not know true r0 really. Testing asymptomatic should have been done more. Without true r0 models are poop.
But in regards to your response, ok but we didnt know that earlier. You are just butthurt and want to find blame in some human character, like everyone since forever.

[Anonymous No.11587837]

We are screwed. That 2trill should have gone to NATION WIDE TESTING. But it's another dumb human situation. Deer in the headlights. We have darwinistic retards forcing themselves

Viruses are the apex predator, holy shit.

[Anonymous No.11587923]

Why are so many people in flyover states like this?

[Anonymous No.11587971]

>>11587923
like what? prepping to survive an life-threatening incident and yet still able to encourage political change?

[Anonymous No.11587979]

>>11587971
No, Prepping to survive then spitting in the face of death because morons

[Anonymous No.11588029]

>>11587923
Because they are city slicker posers.

[Anonymous No.11588052]

>>11587582
Daily reminder that if everyone goes vegan evolution stops for us as a species.

[Anonymous No.11588055]

>>11588052
why do you give a fuck what other people eat? stfu and stop worrying.

[Anonymous No.11588057]

>>11588052
That's quite a bold scientific claim anon. Care to back it up with a rigorous source?

[Anonymous No.11588067]

>>11588052
>>11588057
didn't think so

[Anonymous No.11588083]

>>11587979
>>11588029
they are standing up to potential insanity, while you have accepted and happily repeat the official narrative

[Anonymous No.11588136]

>>11587582
Vegan here.
Just cook your food lmao.

[Anonymous No.11588286]

Can someone explain to me how vaccines are developed if we don't even have an identified animal model for phase 1 development?

[Anonymous No.11588320]

>>11588286
Israel was developing a vaccine before the pandemic even happened, by a stroke of luck.

[Anonymous No.11588602]

>>11587655
Who cares

[Anonymous No.11588607]

>>11588602
edgy

[Anonymous No.11588612]

>>11586971
Australia btfo'd everyone else in handling the virus.
Yankedoodles are coping hard.

[Anonymous No.11588975]

>>11587582
Daily reminder that animal fat was necessary to evolve the big brains required for the civilization to allow elitist vegans their insufferable attitudes.
>>11587923
The people at protests aren't preppers, they are wagies feeling the pressure and are lashing out.
>>11588612
>tfw Moot is working for Jewgle's pandemic data banks and is seething about Australia again

[Anonymous No.11588976]

>>11588612
Well, all the other provinces of China handled it quite well.

[Anonymous No.11589168]

Corona causes systemic endotheliitis:
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&nv=1&pto=aue&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.aerztezeitung.de/Nachrichten/COVID-19-ist-auch-eine-systemische-Gefaessentzuendung-408778.html&usg=ALkJrhjIAFQHz7KOyJrCPcWAXfkov-hMZA
Endotheliitis:
>Endotheliitis is an immune response within endothelium in blood vessels, in which they become inflamed. The condition can cause oedema of the surrounding tissue, including the stroma, and can cause iritis and pain. If it is within the cornea, it can result in permanent loss of vision
But in this case, it's attacking the heart, kidneys, stomach.

[Anonymous No.11589189]

>>11589168
>The endothelium of younger patients usually copes well with the virus attack, reports the university hospital.
Oh good I don't have to worr-
>The situation is different for patients who suffer from hypertension, diabetes, heart failure or coronary artery disease - diseases that have limited endothelial function in common.
>hypertension
Damn.

[Anonymous No.11589190]

>>11588975
>animal fat was necessary to evolve the big brains
Double wrong. The myth is that it was the animal protein. Also, it's a myth.

>>11589168
This is like something coming out of Plague Inc. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.11589194]

>>11589168
Does this have anny correlation with underlying diseases in corona patients? Or is it just in severe cases?

[Anonymous No.11589215]

>>11589194
See
>>11589189

If your endothelium works well, it seems you need not worry at all about this effect. If it's harmed in any way whatsoever, you're fucked im most cases. At least that's how I understand it with my limited medical knowledge.

It seems this thing causes a whole lot of different deadly symptoms. Almost like they used Plague Inc as a reference sheet >>11589190

[Anonymous No.11589233]

>>11589215
The heck is an endothelium

[Anonymous No.11589259]

>>11589233
>Endothelium refers to cells that line the interior surface of blood vessels and lymphatic vessels,[1] forming an interface between circulating blood or lymph in the lumen and the rest of the vessel wall. They form the barrier between vessels and tissues and control the flow of substances and fluid into and out of a tissue.
Blood bouncers.

[Anonymous No.11589270]

>DUDE THE VIRUS IS GONNA KILL EVERYONE IT HAS A 100% FATALITY RATE AND NOTHING CAN EVER STOP IT

I'm so sick of hearing bad news. Why can't we ever have some good news to balance it out? I wanna just shoot myself before things get any worse.

[Anonymous No.11589327]

>>11589270
Most cases are asymptomatic. Unless you have an underlying disease or you're old, you should be fine.

If you do have those things hole up and wait for an effective treatment. Don't get your hopes up on a vaccine. Scientists are lazy fucks and I guarantee you someone *cough* Bill Gates *cough* will want to profit from an early vaccine.

[Anonymous No.11589345]

My doctor gave me an order to get a chest x-ray because I've had chest pains for a long time now. Not when I breathe, she tells me it has to be muscle/tendon related.

I'm worried about going to a hospital and getting coronavirus though. I have an n99 mask but it's not airtight. I should get the x-ray though. Is it too risky?

[Anonymous No.11589346]

>>11587582
We don't really know. Maybe a bat pooped over a fruit and a guy ate the fruit without washing it.

[Anonymous No.11589483]

>>11589270
Fatality for people under 50 is low, under 20 basically zero.
The median age of people dying is 80.
Unless you're quite old or really very unlucky you won't die.

[Anonymous No.11589497]

>>11587672
We know it now but are still acting like the old models are valid.

[Anonymous No.11589585]

>>11589497
Sauce?

[Anonymous No.11589590]

>>11589483
i have smokers and diabetics in my family, and from all the research I've done, this virus shreds through fat people like a fat person shreds through a buffet. So I'm scrambling to do everything I can to keep my family safe.

[Anonymous No.11589729]

So a relatively shit but popular newspaper published you're more likely to catch corona (?) if you're a balding dude who can grow a beard. I assume this is because of DHT or whatever but what I don't get is why you'd CATCH corona earlier because of it, wouldn't it just make increase the chance you have more severe symptoms (which makes sense because men supposedly have it worse with this disease). Is there even any truth to this at all? t. baldlet.

[Anonymous No.11590583]

>>11589729
At this point anon I think anything can happen. You got two Chinese doctors undergoing niggification after recovering from the virus.
Granted they did say they went through some kind of necrosis

[Anonymous No.11590622]

Why do we still not seem to know anything about this virus when it's been around for at least 4 months?

[Anonymous No.11590636]

>>11590622
I'm not trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist or anything but there's always new symptoms popping up every few days or so. This is a novel virus so it's new and we don't know much about it but there's so many symptoms coming out from this.

[Anonymous No.11590836]

>>11590622
First it's not true we don't know anything, and second welcome to the real world of science.
It takes a lot of time and effort to have reliable data, it doesn't work like in the movies.

[Anonymous No.11590849]

>>11590636
>>11590836
Israel were apparently studying this virus since December.

[Anonymous No.11590854]

>>11589270
Stop going to /cvg/. Unless you're 50+ with underlying conditions, fatality rate is very low.

[Anonymous No.11590860]

>>11590854
This is bullshit. Fatality rate overall is 3.4%. Of course elderly people are more likely to die. "Underlying conditions" is a misleading term as it includes absolutely everything, even conditions which may not interact with covid-19.

[Anonymous No.11590923]

My mom's test results come back today

[Anonymous No.11590931]

>>11590923
Where do you live?

[Anonymous No.11590949]

>>11590622
>>11590636
The reason new symptoms keep popping up is due to the intense research on it. Bet you can't name half the symptoms of flu complications, because nobody ever gives them much attention.
>>11590860
Except every goddamn person with a brain agrees there are at least 5x as many infected as recorded, but likely closer to 10-15x. Fatality rates are likely 1/10th of reported.

Hell you can just look at infected by age group. If there are 5000 infected 70+ year olds RECORDED and only 500 20-40 year olds RECORDED, do you really think that is accurate? If anything there would be a lot more 20-40 year olds with it due to more socializing, activity, and going outside.

[Anonymous No.11590950]

>>11590949
The infection rate has been reduced by social distancing.

[Anonymous No.11590973]

>>11590950
You don't know that. The six foot rule is a guess and much be no more effective than a two foot rule or a twelve foot rule. This virus might be contagious to the point that no shared enclosed space can be considered safe from infection. At this point it's almost all guessing and doing things to look busy. Isolation is a better candidate for having reduced the infection rate but even that may have been implemented too late and effectively pointless if every trip outside of the home to another enclosed space automatically infects everyone who goes there.

[Anonymous No.11590978]

>>11590950
And? Without it the virus has an insane R0 north of 7 in dense population centers, how many people got infected before distancing? How much did distancing lower the R0? Also the fact remains that if 5000 turboboomers get it, there's no way other age categories didn't get as much or likely much more.

[Anonymous No.11590984]

>>11590973
>>11590978
At this point you are drifting into speculation, not science.

[Anonymous No.11590995]

So apparently smoking (nicotine more precisely) offer some protection against the coronavirus: https://www.qeios.com/read/article/571

[Anonymous No.11591008]

>>11590984
You realize that the majority of diseases are estimated, right?

[Anonymous No.11591009]

>>11590583
>You got two Chinese doctors undergoing niggification after recovering from the virus.
Granted they did say they went through some kind of necrosis
When I read your post the first time, I thought you said negrosis. I guess I wasn't far off.

[Anonymous No.11591013]

>>11590984
As are those who are making the opposite definitive claims they have no data to back. The only real data here is what's coming from the studies on actual people. What do those studies show? So far they show the infection rate is much higher than the models predicted. But you and the "end of humanity" doomer crew want two sets of rules: anything that says this is the worst thing ever and we need to stay in lockdown indefinitely is to be accepted without evidence while anything that refutes this much be a double blind study conducted over multiple years with huge samples sizes peer reviewed by representatives from across the planet. Then you wonder why you have no credibility and people are starting to question the official narrative that we must all stay under house arrest until you and your authoritarian friends give us permission to move around. Keep it up chuckles, history shows us how this type of situation ends, and it's in death though not by virus. People can only be pushed so far before revolution starts. Once it gets going, your words will be worthless and your little gangs of police will be powerless to stop it. You think you're having a little fun playing with civilization like its a video game. Guess what? You're pushing things to the breaking point and once it breaks, it can't be repaired. Things get burnt down to the ground and then must be rebuilt. But go on with your lockups so you can feel important for the first time in your life. You and your friends will be even more important in the history books but not in the way you think.

[Anonymous No.11591080]

>>11591013
I see where you're coming from, for sure. I'd be more inclined to agree with you than the guys at /cvg/ on /pol/. Every time I go into that stupid thread, I feel a bit of a heart attack from the things they say, like "people can't get immune to it" or "every single recovered case has permanent lung damage" and it makes me angry because when I research these topics, I barely get anything backing it up.

[Anonymous No.11591122]

>>11591080
>I barely get anything backing it up.
Even looking at their own links in the OP you can see they grossly misinterpret them. "some" turns into "all", and "may" turns into "always".

[Anonymous No.11591135]

>>11586971

[Anonymous No.11591160]

>>11588320
>(((luck)))
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-grants-israeli-prof-patent-for-tech-that-could-see-virus-vaccine-in-months/

[Anonymous No.11591179]

>>11586971
been respecting quarantine laws for good, no one in my family or that i know has been infected, except for my aunt who is a hospital nurse (btw she seems immune, for now)

[Anonymous No.11591220]

>>11589270

Things is, there is a lot of dark number. In Sweden for every 1 confirmed with COVID, 999 went undetected.
So, the number of actual cases of COVID is probably oder of magnitudes higher than what we think it is right now.

But this means that the deadliness of COVID is far lower than 2-3%. The thing is though, COVID has a long incubation time, so it can spread really well. So even if it's less deadly than the common flu, it will spread way better and by infecting more people, also kill far more people than the flu.

[Anonymous No.11591349]

People still measure covid-19 by its deadlines, completely neglecting the permanent lung and general organ damage even in young people.

[Anonymous No.11591964]

>>11591220
Then why are so many people dying of it in NYC? is that just a media hoax? Inflated numbers?

[Anonymous No.11591972]

>>11591349
We still don't know how common permanent lung damage is, or to what degree.

It doesn't make sense for asymptomatic people to get permanent damage since they never showed any symptoms.

[Anonymous No.11591974]

>>11591349
this

[Anonymous No.11591977]

>>11591964
Any death that can plausibly be attributed to the virus is getting counted that way. They've even admitted that they're not testing some of the dead, they're just assuming that they died of covid. In areas with very few cases of covid, it's more difficult to get away with such deception.

[Anonymous No.11591986]

>>11591972
We don't even know if the lung damage is from COVID19 or if it's just that people with lung damage are the primary ones dying from it.

[Anonymous No.11592022]

For people that are symptomatic, is fever basically a guarantee or are there people that have everything else but no fever?

[Anonymous No.11592027]

>>11586971
I want to synthesize IPA but I have no understanding of how to synthesize alcohol.
I can only hope some internet guide isn't trying to kill me.
Does anyone know of a safe method of creating medicinal alcohol (IPA)?

[Anonymous No.11592305]

>>11586971
>Science board
>Using "coronavirus" as either the virus or disease's title

[Anonymous No.11592331]

What are the chances that terrorists may have genetically engineered coronavirus to attack LGBT people? Are there any physical signs associated with LGBT they could evolve the virus to attack? Would anyone really do this?

[Anonymous No.11592363]

>>11592305
Is there any other coronavirus out there worth mentioning right now? If you already know what the general is about just by reading coronavirus, is there a reason for OP to call it anything else?

Only a pretentious faggot would insist on constantly calling it by it's technical term outside of the medical ward.

[Anonymous No.11592371]

>>11591220
I want to believe that it's true that there are so many unreported asymptomatic infections, but then why does it seem at least anecdotally that when one person gets sick then other members of their household also get sick? There seems to be plenty of reports of someone getting sick and diagnosed with covid and then a few days later their spouse or whoever is sick too. If there's really 10 asymptomatic people for every sick person then wouldn't it be unlikely that both people in a household would show symptoms?

[Anonymous No.11592375]

do people really recover from corona or does it just come back again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGYQUxywccU

[Anonymous No.11592423]

>>11592027
reduction of acetone using raney nickel and hydrogen
Industrially it's the Wacker oxidation of propylene (Markovnikov, if you care about ochem), but that's an explosion hazard. (not that raney+acetone isn't also)
Ethanol would be easier, and without working with ethylene/acetylene, your best bet is distillation (which is also an explosion hazard)
Cheers

[Anonymous No.11592450]

>>11592371
Is it possible to have viral load plays a huge role?

For example, if I'm asymptomatic in a house with others who either aren't infected or are also asymptomatic, will bring around others who are also infected increase my viral load and overwhelm my immune system? I don't think it's that big of a factor, if you're infected you're infected but still.

[Anonymous No.11592468]

>>11587582
Relax. In a week even mainstream media will be spamming how cov-sars2 leaked from Wuhan labs.

[Anonymous No.11592475]

>>11592375
the virus is sentient and being mind-controlled by Bill Gate's 5G towers, tricking it into attacking people and *teleports behind you*'ing the person's immune system

[Anonymous No.11592484]

>>11587636
>Where did swine flu come from again? How about bird flu?
China

[Anonymous No.11592531]

>>11591135
Haven't seen that format in a while

[Anonymous No.11592535]

>>11592027
Why not just ferment and distill ethanol?

[Anonymous No.11592972]

>>11591349
we don't even know the full amount of deaths, given how cause of death reports are complicated and/or faulty themselves often

[Anonymous No.11593041]

The fear of a catastrophic second wave coming either this summer or this winter is growing.

If the studies are true, and there are in fact a vast majority of people who are asymptomatic, then the second wave will be underwhelming even if everything opens up.

[Anonymous No.11593466]

>>11593041
everything will get shut down again because of mass cnn fueled hysteria. This is just the way things are now

[Anonymous No.11593475]

>>11587582
I don't see how. I'm definitely at risk of catching COVID19 from another human, but I don't eat people.

[Anonymous No.11593524]

>>11593475
They still believe this came from a bat taking a dump in the mouth of a Pangolin which a Chinese person then ate alive or something like that. It's totally unconnected to the virus lab nearby and we'd all be fine if no one ate animals.

[Anonymous No.11594040]

>>11592450
I seem to remember a study concluding the initial viral load does play an important role. No idea if it was peer-reviewed, etc.

[Anonymous No.11594045]

>>11592375
Yes, it seems people do recover universally but if you have a shitty immune system it can take you a looong time to get rid of the thing.

[Anonymous No.11594048]

>>11591349
So far that doesn't seem to be a generalized trend, thankfully.

[Anonymous No.11594106]

>>11591972
>We still don't know how common permanent lung damage is
True
>It doesn't make sense for asymptomatic people to get permanent damage
I know, but it happens. See German divers story.

>>11592972
Yeah, that's why people should treat this whole story more seriously than
>only people with medical conditions die
>only xxx deaths is nothing

>>11594048
Yeah, officially. But when's the last time you've heard from someone who recovered that they're back to normal?
I don't know about this, man...

[Anonymous No.11594254]

>>11592450
Viral load plays a huge role in any given viral infection.

[Anonymous No.11594269]

>>11586971
the healthcare system is collapsing everywhere and this nigger wants to reopen brazil

top kek

[Anonymous No.11594297]

>>11586971
I would like to draw your attention to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFLmY6SV9D4

[Anonymous No.11594298]

>>11591013
Best read I`ve had for a while.

[Anonymous No.11594311]

Immunity certificates when?

[Anonymous No.11594312]

>>11587582
Ok, before I read the replies, I'm gonna chime in as a vegan. Like, sure yeah, eating meat is bad, or at least generally worse than an informed and. properly researched plant-based diet. But honestly nobody is going to convert because you chose to advocate veganism like this bro. You're not really doing the cause much good. Plus I'm pretty sure the origins of COVID-19 are still up to date.

[Anonymous No.11594315]

>>11594312
up for debate*, jesus

[Anonymous No.11594358]

>>11594106
>But when's the last time you've heard from someone who recovered that they're back to normal?
I had it, if it weren't for the weird loss of smell and the fact that the person I got it from testing positive due to being in a risk group, I'd never have known it was corona. Haven't had symptoms for 2 weeks now, no fever for 21 days.

[Anonymous No.11594364]

>>11594358
same thing here

[Anonymous No.11594368]

>>11594364
I think most people who get over it quickly or are "asymptomatic" (really all that means is they weren't bad enough to get checked by a doctor and put on record) just don't talk about it much. Many don't know they had it, and those that do are obviously less inclined to go online and share than those who have been having 30 days of being sick.

[Anonymous No.11594369]

Look up #debunkthisfauci if you want an interesting read. To sum it up, the CDC has instructed doctors to report non-covid deaths as confirmed covid deaths if there were a chance of covid. There's more to it, if you want to read further.
>>11594312
I'm not vegan; I thought he gave an interesting argument. I've experimented with vegetarian diets in the past, so take that as you will.

[Anonymous No.11594374]

>>11594369
Similar rumors here in Italy, anyone who dies with corona is counted as dying of corona.
t.Italian

[Anonymous No.11594395]

>>11593524
>and we'd all be fine if no one ate animals.

That's just vegan propaganda. There are numerous instances of cross species viral mutation events which then go on to infect humans the chief examples being Influenza - see Swine Flu, Avian Flu etc. MERS is a coronavirus caused disease too and likely involved a cross-over and transmission event from camels.

[Anonymous No.11594399]

>>11594312
>or at least generally worse than an informed and. properly researched plant-based diet.

There have been no good studies looking at an informed and properly researched diet involving meat. Of the few closest to that it appears that pescatarien diets (i.e. fish inclusive) are superior to vegan diets. Mediterranean based diets are also superior - again non-vegan as they include the products of animals.

Vegan shills would take this opportunity to spread their lies and propaganda.

[Anonymous No.11594515]

I have a laugh every time on read on the news about a peak of infection or even a second wave. Thanks to the distancing measures we are still in the beginning of a first wave. What we are doing right now, thanks to all the distancing actions, is to naturally select the most contagious strain to rip through the population once we start cutting corners on the measures.

[Anonymous No.11594543]

what a "coincident" that almost 2 weeks after easter the numbers of infected here in germany are seeing quite a rise. god I hate low iq people, why can't they just stay inside

[Anonymous No.11595033]

I think I might have got it. Been dry coughing, feel tired, dull steady headaches. I have also got these funny little bumps at the back of my throat. They aren't painful but the dumb jokes they keep telling are annoying.

[Anonymous No.11595174]

Coronavirus isn't a big deal anymore. What is a big deal is developing and third world nations breaking down and collapsing because of food shortages. Tens of millions or even billions could die of starvation because many developing nation's rely on constant foreign aid.

It could even hit 1st world nations of it goes on for long enough, you could end up seeing prices for basic foods skyrocket and a global recession hit simply because of these shortages. The UN of all organizations made a report on it just recently, hopefully it has enough power to convince nation's to open back up 100% before we end up having to stand in bread lines.

[Anonymous No.11595607]

From https://litfl.com/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/

CLINICAL PRESENTATION

Common symptoms (Bouadama L. et al. 2020, Young B. et al. 2020):

Fever
Incidence varies depending on study (~40-90%)
Tends to be high and persistent
Cough
Breathlessness
Dyspnoea onset tends to be around Day 6
Multiple reports, especially in elderly, of ‘silent hypoxia’ – severe hypoxaemia without breathlessness
Anosmia
Olfactory and/or taste disturbance in approximately one third of patients (Giacomelli A. et al. 2020)
In South Korea, 30% of those testing positive had anosmia as their major presenting symptom in otherwise mild cases (Iacobucci G. 2020)
Less commonly or rarely
Rhinorrhoea
Sore throat
Myalgia
Gastrointestinal symptoms (e.g. diarrhoea)
Other neurological features
Meningitis/ encephalitis and hemorrhagic necrotizing encephalopathy (including altered mental state and coma) (Moriguchi, 2020; Poyiadji, 2020)
Guillain-Barre Syndrome (Toscana, 2020)
encephalopathy, agitation, confusion, and corticospinal tract signs in COVID-19 ICU patients with ARDS (Helms, 2020)

Asymptomatic infection

Estimated 1% from large scale data (Wu Z. & McGoogan J. 2020,).
True asymptomatic proportion may be much higher ( 17% and 30% in two cohorts, with approximately 50% of cases having a period of asymptomatic viral shedding; Mizumoto K. et al. 2020, Nishiura H. et al. 2020)
Asymptomatic patients may still manifest laboratory and radiographic changes (Hu Z. et al. 2020)

COVID-19 pneumonia “phenotypes”

Reports suggest that COVID-19 patients appear to have at least two phenotypes, from the perspective of ICU management (Gattinoni et al, 2020). However, this classification remains preliminary and management should be optimised for each individual patient as clinically indicated.
(continues)

[Anonymous No.11595613]

>>11595607
... COVID-19 pneumonia “phenotypes”
L-phenotype
Typical of early presentation viral pneumonitis
Hypoxaemia with preserved CO2 clearance (Type 1 respiratory failure)
Low
Elastance (i.e. high compliance)
V/Q matching (possibly due to abnormal hypoxic vasoconstriction)
Recruitability (poor response to PEEP and proning)
Implications
May be able to avoid mechanical ventilation with appropriate oxygen therapy
May be responsive to pulmonary vasodilators (e.g. inhaled nitric oxide)
H phenotype
Typical of later illness and classic ARDS, including patients who have had prolonged non-invasive ventilation (potential for patient-induced lung injury from volutrauma and barotrauma) and co-existing lung disease or complications
Hypoxaemia +/- impaired CO2 clearance (Type 1 and/or 2 respiratory failure)
High
Elastance (i.e. low compliance)
V/Q matching
Recruitability ( response to PEEP and proning)
Implications
May benefit from protective lung ventilation and usual ARDS therapies (potentially including an “open lung approach”)
Also, another suggested read: https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/clinical-course-of-covid-19-what-gps-need-to-know

How does the infection progress?
‘The clinical course is highly variable,’ Associate Professor Irving said.

‘Some patients spontaneously improve, and other patients deteriorate. The deterioration can be a few days, even a week later, rather than a stepwise deterioration from the time of presentation.

‘That’s the really tricky bit.’

Just as patients appear to be improving clinically, they can deteriorate rapidly.

‘And I think that’s one of the take-home messages: that the course is not reliable,’ Associate Professor Irving said.

(cont)

[Anonymous No.11595623]

>>11586971
>>11595607
>>11595613
‘Some patients spontaneously improve, and other patients deteriorate. The deterioration can be a few days, even a week later, rather than a stepwise deterioration from the time of presentation.

‘That’s the really tricky bit.’

Just as patients appear to be improving clinically, they can deteriorate rapidly.

‘And I think that’s one of the take-home messages: that the course is not reliable,’ Associate Professor Irving said.

Citing a message he received on social media reportedly written by an emergency physician in New Orleans, Associate Professor Irving said the writer claims to have seen ‘several hundred’ COVID-19 patients and writes down a possible course of the illness.

Associate Professor Irving said this is likely to be an accurate representation of the clinical course of COVID-19:

Day 2–11 post-exposure (on average, day 5) – the patient develops onset of flu-like symptoms. These commonly include fever, headache, dry cough and myalgia (mainly back pain), nausea without emesis, abdominal discomfort with some diarrhoea, anorexia, anosmia and fatigue.
Day 5 – The patient is likely to develop increasing shortness of breath due to bilateral viral pneumonia.
Day 10 – A cytokine storm may occur in those with severe manifestations of SARS-CoV-2, leading to acute lung injury (previously known as acute respiratory disease syndrome [ARDS]) and multi-organ failure.

According to the above source, 81% of patients experience mild symptoms, 14% have a severe disease requiring hospitalisation, and 5% of patients become ‘critical’.

Recent research supports these numbers.

The case series involving 138 patients in Wuhan, China, was published in JAMA Network on 7 February. It found the median time from first symptom to dyspnoea was five days, to hospital admission seven days, and to acute lung injury eight days.

Of the patients studied, 26% required admission to an intensive care unit (ICU), and 4.3% died.

(...)

[Anonymous No.11595657]

remdeisivir flopped
we are al fucked

[Anonymous No.11595680]

>>11586971

So it has been confirmed it doesn't work. What will be (((their))) next miracle cure on par with chinese grated tiger testicles?

[Anonymous No.11595724]

>>11592363
"COVID" is easier to say, faster to type, more likely to get relevant results when searched for, and the name that most of the world is using.

But if it's really that painful to say, then at least call it "the" coronavirus.

[Anonymous No.11595825]

>>11595607
Are there any similar pieces which highlight age as a risk factor? It seems like the older you are the more likely you are to get serious symptoms.

[Anonymous No.11596214]

>>11586971
yes lab positive. ive had it for 4 weeks now and still fighting it. first 18 days i had shortness of breath, high heart rate but thats gone away. now cough after eating and costochrondritis and headaches

i work from home. get an sp02 monitor and if its below 94 go to urgent care

[Anonymous No.11596228]

>>11595174
There's at least 3 big lies in that post, dumb doomer.

[Anonymous No.11596231]

>>11594374
Ask yourself, would those people have died if they didn't catch the virus? I get your point, but if it's what finally pushed their systems over the edge then it's reasonable to count those as corona deaths.

[Anonymous No.11596463]

>>11596228
What are you talkin about? It's so obvious it hurts. Just look at South Africa, it's already tearing apart because of food shortages, and they have urban areas.

The African population is skyrocketing and has been for a long time now because of foreign aid. Millions of people are totally reliant on foreign aid and when you stop that even by a little, people will starve. It's been a disaster waiting to happen, Africans can't help themselves because they're low iq, without that foreign aid chaos will ensue and governments in developing countries will be toppled. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, hopefully people get over all this fear-mongering and open everything back up.

Tyson just shut down a couple of their major pork plants. Thanks to regulations and licensing and legal bullshit, there's only a handful of big companies that make up basically all of the meat production in the US.

You can't expect things to return to normal after shutting the world economy down for up to 2-3 months. a lot of governors are keeping things shut down now purely for political reasons, and many will suffer for it if shutdowns continue, especially small businesses and regular working people.

It's a real issue, coronavirus isn't serious enough to constitute the level of suffering continuing worldwide shutdowns would. You can't solve this with socialism, government isn't the answer and never will be, they want you to give them more power out of fear. Don't fall for it, don't let this be another patriot act debacle.

[Anonymous No.11596482]

>>11594358
>>11594364
Thanks, appreciate it.
Are you doing sports? The mild cases with lung damage only notice it when doing sports or going up stairs. How's that going for you?

[Anonymous No.11597034]

>>11586971
well, now you know it: disinfectants kills coronavirus:
https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1253470856845709318

there was no need for all this drama and suffering. Trump will save us all!

[Anonymous No.11597092]

>>11588286
oxford had developed a MERS vaccine

[Anonymous No.11597321]

>>11597092
Elaborate and sauce?

[Anonymous No.11597572]

>>11597321

it wont let me post the URL. just search for

MERS vaccine trial in camels

[Anonymous No.11597666]

>>11596482
No sports or gym yet but I can do ~20 pushups in a row without feeling anything different from before I had it.

[Anonymous No.11597730]

>>11591013

[Anonymous No.11598937]

bump

[Anonymous No.11599536]

>>11586971
Had to pick up some food for mom, usually don't go to wendys , but did for her.

Saw old coworker , she wasn't wearing a mask or gloves. but it's quick so w/e . Gave her my card, and asked how she was doing, etc. a literal 10 seconds exchange. Mentioned she wasn't feeling good though.

I have sanitizer and pretty good with hygiene in general , turns out she has a 102 degree fever and is forced to work , boss won't let her leave.

How fucked am I? I know coughing and sneezing is huge, but there is so little info on talking. is 15 seconds enough? All my gut is saying don't worry, but who the fuck knows anymore.

already reported the place though.

[Anonymous No.11599542]

>>11589270
/cvg/ is a terrible place, I went there initially because it was interesting watching the virus grow at first, and it DID convince me to prep "just incase" which low and behold, it was worth it. I never had to fight for towels, Hand Sanitizer, shit paper etc.

You're only going to hear about the bad news because 9/10 times bad news is better for news outlets than good. Drama is good. Stagnation is bad.

[Anonymous No.11599567]

>>11594358
Can't say anything for me but cousin had it, and she bounced back pretty quick. shes 28 though. Said it was a pretty rough time and memes aside, said it felt like the flu but with a little more emphasis on respiratory symptoms.
Obviously she was lucky, but still nice to see my genetics aren't totally fucked

[Anonymous No.11599606]

>>11599536
>How fucked am I? I know coughing and sneezing is huge, but there is so little info on talking. is 15 seconds enough? All my gut is saying don't worry, but who the fuck knows anymore.
You can get it from talking, yes. Especially inside, in enclosed areas.

Were you going through the drive through? That would help quite a bit, as the distance is higher and there's fresh air between you and her. But if you were inside, yeah, you just caught it.

[Anonymous No.11599621]

>>11599606
Drive through, I don't go inside any places except the food marts. So that's reassuring to hear, and I do the standard shit like Microwave the food etc.
It was raining too, not sure how that affects droplets at all. No wind.

[Anonymous No.11599634]

>>11599536
That's fucked up. Obviously a manager can't force an employee to work, so they must've threatened her financially or something. That's when you know they don't care about you. You might as well be a machine at that point. Hope she stood up for herself, that's bullshit.

[Anonymous No.11599679]

>>11587582
If you kill yourself you will never contract covid-19. And that's an easier solution than changing an entire species.

[Anonymous No.11599687]

>start feeling a little tired
>back of throat feels a little dry
>slight sinus pressure/headache

Fuck, pretty sure I got the Rona, been isolated too much to catch anything else. On the bright side my usual allergies completely went away, breathing feels super clear now desu. Might as well enjoy the calm before the virus fucks me. All I can think of to do now is 1000mg vit c every day and pray.

On the bright side all drugstores around me are sold out of O2 sats so hopefully I don't suffocate in my sleep.

[Anonymous No.11601192]

>>11599687
Are you over 65 or do you have an underlying illness particularly if it had anything to do with breathing or the heart?

If not, don't sweat it. You'll be fine. Take your vitamin c and chill. Daily dosage recommendation is 90 mg of you're taking 10x that per day you'll be fine

If you do have a comorbidity though I'd panic. Just kidding, don't panic. Haven't you seen all the headlines of 100 year old geezers surviving coronavirus? If they can so can you. Cheer up

[Anonymous No.11601824]

>>11599687
>been isolated too much
Sure it's not your shitty lifestyle that's making you weak against common household germs?

All the purely in the world doesn't clean your stress away, nor does wearing a mask help you get sunshine.

[Anonymous No.11601828]

xD

[Anonymous No.11601849]

>>11599687
you will be ok. my town reports accurately the age of people wo die and the youngest was in his 60

[Anonymous No.11601860]

>>11601828
holy shit, this isn't a joke. lmao.
https://twitter.com/legitngnews/status/1249991724505669632

[Anonymous No.11602437]

>>11601824
Nah it's definitely batflu, lots of weird-ass symptoms that I never had before with anything else. I'm sure I'll be fine, not too worried about dying from it, just hope to not fuck up my lungs/heart.
It's not that bad so far, but desu I was pretty careful so anyone in an affected area should be expecting to get this regardless, shit spreads so fucking easily. Anyone old or fat might as well strap in for the ride.

[Anonymous No.11602456]

>>11601849
Jesus Christ, I am 61. Help me bros.

[Anonymous No.11602840]

>>11587180
*helps

[Anonymous No.11602926]

>>11602456
>61
>still on 4chan
You've got bigger problems than coronavirus.

[Anonymous No.11602955]

>>11602926
Thanks anon, that is good to know.

[Anonymous No.11603425]

How does this fucking work? If you got the virus, generated antibodies, why would you be at risk of re-infection? That makes 0 sense unless it's a totally different strain

[Anonymous No.11603461]

>>11603425
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/south-korean-studies-suggest-antibodies-protect-covid-19/story?id=70312111&__twitter_impression=true

[Anonymous No.11603839]

Bros I think I have something in my lungs, I have some sort of a cough in my chest that is accompanied by sharp pain. No fever, sore throat or anything else though and my town hasn't had a new confirmed case outside the hospital in a week. Besides that I have kept mostly isolated and none of my family have it. What is the likelihood that its Corona as opposed to some other infection and should I go to the doctors or are waiting rooms generally too risky?

[Anonymous No.11603846]

How long until this gets neutralized or just most of things get working as usual?

[Anonymous No.11603875]

>>11593466
Another shutdown and you'll get riots and a complete breakdown of civil order.

[Anonymous No.11603929]

>>11603425
>there is no evidence
doesn't mean
>were sure that the inverse is true
Also, there are many pathogens that you can become immune to, but lose that immunity over time.

[Anonymous No.11603935]

>>11603425
There are many different kinds of antibodies and only one kind prevents reinfection. We don't yet know if you develop that one or the one-off types.

[Anonymous No.11603941]

>>11597730
I don't get those tards. They're protesting the lockdowns yet they're out wearing fucking N95s. Do they think they can shoot the virus or something?

[Anonymous No.11603987]

>>11603941

The point is that the economy must be reopened no matter what. This is their central point, and they are correct.

[Anonymous No.11604291]

>>11603941
They believe there is middle ground where we don't all have to be under house arrest but can take reasonable precautions against transmission of the virus. When the lockdowns started, the justification wasn't eradication of the virus, it was flattening the curve enough that hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed and also to give time to start manufacturing needed supplies like ventilators. The impact on hospitals turned out to be smaller than expected even with the lockdown. Supplies have been manufactured and more capacity is ramping up. Ventilators have turned out to not be useful in more than a small number of cases so there is now a glut of them. The original justification is no longer valid. The virus isn't gone and locking everyone up while destroying the economy isn't a good way of making the virus disappear. It is however a good way to ensure civil unrest and lots of associated violence. These protestors are giving the government officials a face saving way out of their overreaction.

[Anonymous No.11604322]

>>11603941
Exercising the second amendment.

[Anonymous No.11604466]

Well I'm not gonna make a thread for this.

Professor Johan Giesecke, one of the world’s most senior epidemiologists, advisor to the Swedish Government (he hired Anders Tegnell who is currently directing Swedish strategy), the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, and an advisor to the director general of the WHO, lays out with typically Swedish bluntness why he thinks:

UK policy on lockdown and other European countries are not evidence-based
The correct policy is to protect the old and the frail only
This will eventually lead to herd immunity as a “by-product”
The initial UK response, before the “180 degree U-turn”, was better
The Imperial College paper was “not very good” and he has never seen an unpublished paper have so much policy impact
The paper was very much too pessimistic
Any such models are a dubious basis for public policy anyway
The flattening of the curve is due to the most vulnerable dying first as much as the lockdown
The results will eventually be similar for all countries
Covid-19 is a “mild disease” and similar to the flu, and it was the novelty of the disease that scared people.
The actual fatality rate of Covid-19 is the region of 0.1%
At least 50% of the population of both the UK and Sweden will be shown to have already had the disease when mass antibody testing becomes available

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfN2JWifLCY&t=764s

>reeee underreported cases
>reeee underresported testing
>reeee stay home stay inside save lives

[Anonymous No.11604498]

>>11588136
On an individual level this works but on a global scale there will always be outbreaks caused by meat consumption

[Anonymous No.11604526]

>>11603941
>They're protesting the lockdowns yet they're out wearing fucking N95s

Why is that retarded? They aren't saying there's no virus. They are saying they should be able to leave the house and get on with life, taking precautions if necessary.

[Anonymous No.11604566]

when is treatment coming around guys
please tell me an estimate based on current prospects

[Anonymous No.11604576]

>>11604566
China says they will be ready to infect you with their >vaccine in September bro.

[Anonymous No.11604670]

>>11604566
I'm not getting it until you get it first.

[Anonymous No.11604766]

>>11604576
Source?

[Anonymous No.11604768]

>>11604766
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMINUvYr4EA

[Anonymous No.11604912]

>>11586971

Do they always test critical/dead people for Covid at hospitals and how accurate are the tests?

From Feb-April there should have been over 200k deaths due to heart disease and respitory illness. I'm wondering what the chances are that some of those deaths are being falsely attributed to Covid19. And if so, at what rate? I'm imagining that hospitals and doctors are terrified of being overwhelmed by the pandemic so will always err on the side of caution and categorize a death as Covid related so as to inflate the numbers of Covid related deaths to make a better case for receiving emergency aid.

[Anonymous No.11605004]

>>11604912
in NYC and other crowded places, they don't test the deceased who met many of the symptom criteria

[Anonymous No.11605022]

>>11604466
See I'm no biologist, but the first things that comes to mind with this liberal policy is twofold. First, what about virus mutations ? Would this not allow for potential rapid mutations into something more deadly ? And second, what about potential after-effects of the virus ? If any are present, would not exposing the population to the virus cripple millions of people ?

[Anonymous No.11605035]

Consider this:

>2%-4% of the US population is either infected, or previously infected.
>there is no stopping this thing from infecting 60%-90% of the US at some point.
>it is possible that you can get re infected and you don’t build up immunity.

What are your plans? I’m laying super low because I think it’s likely a bioweapon. I wear an N95 and goggles when I go to crowded areas. I’m holding off on getting it for as long as possible. Also, 95% of people don’t wear masks properly. They don’t fit on their face properly or they constant touch their face in public.

I’m waiting for possible herd immunity or better treatments or a vaccine. I’m worried about long term organ damage

[Anonymous No.11605040]

>>11605022
There’s no way this guys dick worked. When you take all those drugs, your cock stops working after a couple years

[Anonymous No.11605045]

>>11604912
Something very suspicious is going on. We’ve been in a lockdown for like 6 weeks. The numbers should have flattened (which they did) then gone down (which they have not).

Notice the numbers are not dropping at all?

[Anonymous No.11605048]

>>11601828
ACTING QUICKLY, DAVE CONSTRUCTS A MAKESHIFT PPE MASK USING A SQUIRREL, SOME ROPE, AND A PPE MASK

[Anonymous No.11605060]

>>11601860
The idea is you can put cloth in there to tightly seal around the mouth and nose. It works better than just using a bandanna or a cut up old shirt. It’s actually fake. I can’t believe you made me defend a nigger

[Anonymous No.11605062]

>>11605045
Any reason why the effective reproduction number couldn't be stabilizing around 1?

[Anonymous No.11605071]

>>11605035
>The nig is the one wearing it correctly
It's pretty obvious that boomers can't into masks, but niggers don't even try

[Anonymous No.11605073]

>>11605062
Are you talking about R-naught? All I know is that lockdowns typically make the numbers go down eventually. There is no decline here. It’s suspicious in my mind. The R-naught should be below 1 during this lockdown

[Anonymous No.11605080]

>>11605071
No one wears a mask correctly. Well almost no one. Old people constantly take the mask on and off and touch their face. The 16-25 year olds who work in the grocery stores don’t wear them correctly either, but they don’t care. They know if they get sick, worst case scenario is they will have a cough and a slight fever for 24 hours.

The important thing is they people wear them in crowded spaces. It will slow the virus down A LOT.

[Anonymous No.11605081]

>>11605045
Why it's almost as if these halfassed lockdown measures are pointless and based on a retarded model that changes the numbers every 3 weeks.

[Anonymous No.11605084]

>>11605080
>They know if they get sick, worst case scenario is they will have a cough and a slight fever for 24 hours.
Worst case scenario is 8% of people infected are still testing positive after 70 days

[Anonymous No.11605086]

>>11605084
Source? Also are they sick still? And are the testing possitive for traces of virus?

[Anonymous No.11605087]

>>11595607
>>11595613
>>11595623
are people too lazy to read? these are the fucking symptoms explained in a simple fucking way, yet people keep asking if they have the illness...

>>11604466
so, how do you "protect the old and the frail only" without "stay home stay inside"?

also
>The actual fatality rate of Covid-19 is the region of 0.1%
so, how do you explain this? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (sort by tot cases/1M pop) what did the countries with the most dead people do wrong?
also

[Anonymous No.11605093]

>>11605087
... also, do you not consider the differences between how people live in sweden vs other countries? from what I've read, they are used to "social distancing" compared to, say, italy or spain...

[Anonymous No.11605095]

>>11605093
Comparing Sweden to the US is a bad move. I’m not saying we should ignore data from other countries, but Sweden is spread out like a motherfucker. Something like 50% of them have second homes in the woods they can retreat to. I’m not even kidding.

[Anonymous No.11605099]

>The data collected so far on how many people are infected and how the epidemic is evolving are utterly unreliable. Given the limited testing to date, some deaths and probably the vast majority of infections due to SARS-CoV-2 are being missed. We don’t know if we are failing to capture infections by a factor of three or 300. Three months after the outbreak emerged, most countries, including the U.S., lack the ability to test a large number of people and no countries have reliable data on the prevalence of the virus in a representative random sample of the general population.

>>>The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.

>If we had not known about a new virus out there, and had not checked individuals with PCR tests, the number of total deaths due to “influenza-like illness” would not seem unusual this year. At most, we might have casually noted that flu this season seems to be a bit worse than average.


https://profiles.stanford.edu/john-ioannidis
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

I've been having fun collecting all the news, opinion and data on this shit. It's gonna be a wild ride when it ends and all sides claim they did the right thing

[Anonymous No.11605103]

>>11605099
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html
IMO, the only reliable indicator of the advance of the virus is... mortality/total population

[Anonymous No.11605115]

>>11605099
I think all countries are full of shit on testing. Including South Korea. The US has done the most tests, but how reliable are they? We pumped out millions of tests basically overnight. If South Korea had advanced tests, we would copy their model. They are a friendly country. They would help.

[Anonymous No.11605138]

>>11605115
we are doing alright here in Germany. testing capacity was vastly increased so now everyone can get tested if they want

[Anonymous No.11605146]

>>11586971
If corona were as dangerous as doomers say then most African countries would have collapsed by now. The shutdown has set a dangerous precedent and I hope people realize that govs are going to abuse that precedent.

[Anonymous No.11605150]

>>11605146
No one lives past 55 in Africa

[Anonymous No.11605204]

Be honest with me /sci/. I need a viewpoint from someone who isn't a doomer or a nothingburger. Will we ever recover from this? If the virus doesn't mutate and start killing everyone indiscriminately, the economy will leave us hungry and without homes. I have a family to take care of, and i can't even find work to support them. I'd even expose myself to covid by working in a hospital if I got death insurance for my family. My mother and father took care of me for years, I can't send them into a home. I won't. I'll die before that happens.

[Anonymous No.11605245]

What's with all the "China don't tell the truth on their death toll"?
Are they saying that the infection is still out of control in China? I'm pretty sure we would notice if it was the case.
Or are they saying that the infection is under control but it killed more people than what China reported? Which is surely the case, but also completely irrelevant. Honestly it seems like a big cope for US so they can continue to use "muh per capita"

>>11596482
not really, some squats/push-up sometimes and it doesn't seem different, but I'm not trying to get at my limits

[Anonymous No.11605340]

>>11605204
yes we will, but it might take atleast 6 - 12 months

[Anonymous No.11605383]

>>11605245
>Honestly it seems like a big cope for US
Not quite true. I mean sure that's one of the things a megacoping trumpcuck would say, but both the right wing and left wing medias doubt China's published number due to the lack of of transparency. Didn't they only lock down the hubei area and a few other major cities? I'm not sure if we would know if they're lying or not since the chinese usually cremate the dead, and a 0.1% increase in the volume of smoke containing human ashes wouldn't really be noticeable.

[Anonymous No.11605413]

>>11605204
We'll be fine come a couple years. It will be a rough ride in the mean time. My advice is to be very careful and try your damnedest to not get it. We still don't know a hell of a lot about the long term effects of being infected, with all kinds of weird shit being anecdotally reported from somewhat reputable sources.

[Anonymous No.11605427]

>>11605245
>What's with all the "China don't tell the truth on their death toll"?

China hasn't even officially released the number of total tests they've carried out. And it looks like Russia despite going into full lockdown on March 31 has now entered the Coronabowl.

>>11605245
I don't believe it's a nothingburger. I believe lockdowns, and only the lockdowns in particular are making things worse not better, economically, physically, mentally and by any other metric except environmentally, pollution is way down. As for when things return to normal, I can't really say. Summer should be interesting Probably the shops, stores, commerce and practice by midsummer. As for international travel, tourism, and large congregations for sports, conferences, what have you, I think that shit is dead for 2020 come back next year for a checkup.

[Anonymous No.11605445]

So the US is going with some interesting recommendations based on their testing.

[Anonymous No.11605491]

I need to decontaminate cheese. The cheese is in plastic packaging, but the cheese inside the packaging also needs to be decontaminated before going in the fridge https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S2666524720300033-mmc1.pdf

I think the only possible solution is to put the cheese (plastic packaging and all) in boiling water or in the oven. But will heating the cheese to 80-100 degrees (celsius), even for only 5 minutes, mean that the cheese will become moldy? I literally bought $50 of cheese, it's a lot of cheese. I'd want it to last at least a month in the fridge. The use-by date is usually over two months on cheese. But how would it be effected if the cheese is heated before going in the fridge?

[Anonymous No.11605737]

>>11605491
It's probably fine, but the easiest way to be sure and not waste it is to just use the cheese in recipes that involve cooking it, or melt it for use in sandwiches etc. Wash your hands after cooking if you're worried about the packaging.

desu even so, getting it from food is probably a best-case scenario since viral load should be low and you're not breathing it deep into your lungs. The really nasty complications are associated with inhaling droplets through the nose.

[Anonymous No.11605763]

>>11605445
>Summer
>20% humidity
Did someone in Phoenix make this image? Atlanta, where the CDC is located, has 99% humidity in the summer. Even much of the Midwest has high humidity during the summer. Wonder what the half life of the virus is during July in Mississippi.

[Anonymous No.11605869]

>>11587648
Old people don't just sit around and do nothing.

Some take care of children. Others work jobs. If we had done nothing and they suddenly get infected and die. The kids they looked after would be fucked over along with any potential immune system weak people in their household.

More young in cities would may also start dropping dead since they are the ones who are tasked to take care of the sick in hospitals and would be exposed to them. You could try something like Sweden where you just ignore it and let things continue like normal, but it would be 100x worse here due to how unhealthy the average burger lifestyle is.

[Anonymous No.11605889]

>>11588286
You can make them in human lung cells

[Anonymous No.11605929]

>>11604466
See I'm no scientist. But considering the old UK approach would have generated ~500k deaths and that right now their NHS is on the verge of overload WITH lockdown. I just don't see how going the Sweden route would have worked out at all.

If you want to go with someplace that works without wrecking your system, should have done what Taiwan or South Korea did. Maybe Vietnam if you felt like stripping a few rights along the way. Swedes method just doesn't seem like it'll scale unless your social safety net is huge and ready to catch people as they develop immunity. I know in the US we'd be fucked trying this because employers don't know the meaning of sick day and the SN is full of holes.

[Anonymous No.11605980]

>>11586971
I was tested positive for COVID-19 a month ago but I am still experiencing symptoms. The symptoms I am showing are chest and back-pain in combination with shortness of breath that gets worse when I am still for a long time. I have went to the hospital 2 times for this and both times my Xray and Blood tests were fine but I was still exhibiting these symptoms.

In my opinion I think I have Pleuricy but I would like to know your guys as well.

[Anonymous No.11606006]

>>11605980
did you do a second test which was negative?

[Anonymous No.11606018]

>>11606006
No

[Anonymous No.11606023]

>>11606018
>>11606006
They don't do a second test to see of you are negative they only say that if you stop having symptoms and fever for 3 days you are cleared.

[Anonymous No.11606049]

>>11606023
that's crazy

[Anonymous No.11606056]

>>11587648
>No matter the death rate, multiply it by 330 million people, you still get a large number, probably around 40k but far from the earlier estimates for both locked down population and free population.
It's amazing how poorly this specific post has aged

[Anonymous No.11606137]

>>11605869
It doesn't really matter since containment is impossible. They will get it anyway. Not saying it was a bad idea to delay by lock down if only to make PPE, but the cost is massive. Unless a vaccine or good treatment miraculously appears soon, no lives have actually been saved.

The overwhelmed hospitals thing doesn't really work either since they're empty right now, if we want to get full medical utilization we actually need to speed up the infection rate a bit. Policitians will continue the lockdown until forced to stop since this lets them avoid blame, but I don't think there's really a coherent plan desu

[Anonymous No.11606215]

Need someone to screen share and give me answers to my chem test this tuesday (1 hr). $30 reward in monero.
discord: _____#3678

[Anonymous No.11606707]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1191811?__twitter_impression=true

>Three states hit hard by the pandemic — New York, New Jersey and California — have ordered nursing homes and other long-term care facilities to accept coronavirus patients discharged from hospitals. The policy, intended to help clear in-demand hospital beds for sicker patients, has prompted sharp criticism from the nursing home industry, staff members and concerned families, as well as some leading public health experts.

What do you guys make of this

[Anonymous No.11606734]

>>11606707
Let it spill over into the streets.

[Anonymous No.11606738]

>>11606707
This is unbelievably retarded. They just want to kill more. Why the fuck don't they send new patients to javits if capacity is so bad. Oh right they don't even want to staff it. Go on politicians tell us what science this decision is based on. Goddamn shitcunts

[Anonymous No.11606748]

What the hell is going on in NY. First they add 3700 people to the official death toll as 'probable' covid deaths without even testing them to see if they had coronavirus present and now this nursing home shit? What is Cuomo doing how is he deciding these things

[Anonymous No.11606751]

>>11606707
wasn't nbcnews.com confirmed to be fake news?

[Anonymous No.11606755]

>>11606734
>>11606738
To me it sounds fishy because of the fact that elderly people are more likely to get this thing and get btfo by it.
Wouldn't that artificially inflate the number of cases and deaths?
I'm by no means a tinfoiler and I am pretty idealistic about the true nature of man but, I think it sounds fishy that they're doing this to pump numbers to cow people into shelter-in-place. It makes the data they collect incredibly biased.

At the same time, I don't want to believe that they'd do something like this because of the blowback. The realization that the numbers are so high and the shelter-in-place did nothing to combat the spread because they're using older folk to pump the numbers.
Imagine the anger learning that this was all a political ploy, that gramma or grandapappie had to die to help further some agenda.

>>11606751
Even if they were fake news, don't you think an article like this goes against that idea?

[Anonymous No.11606767]

>>11606751
NBCnews.com is mainstream media, so yes, it's fake news, but officially fake as opposed to unofficially fake.

[Anonymous No.11606770]

>>11606751
>NBCUniversal is a fake news company
Well maybe, but I'm not sure what you mean by that.

[Anonymous No.11606806]

>>11605929
>See I'm no scientist. But considering the old UK approach would have generated ~500k deaths and that right now their NHS is on the verge of overload WITH lockdown.

The original UK model suggested 250k death with social distancing. It was an unpublished non peer reviewed paper from a well known doomer who used the same model to predict the UK would receive 65000 deaths from swine flu in 2009 when the actual figure was 437. The model he uses has also never been released publicly and only those on his team at Imperial know how it even works or what it's based on.

As for the NHS, hsj.com and the NHS have reported that in the entire country, 2 hospitals are working at 90% ICU capacity, both are in central London which is the epicenter of covid. One hospital that had been preparing to shut down before the crisis hit initially had to close its A&E for 12 hours because they ran out of oxygen in late March. As for the current situation, it's gotten to the point where the two emergency Nightingale Hospitals are almost empty as current hospitals are all coping, with the covid cases. Not one hospital has run out of ICU beds or ventilators or CPAP machines. The NHS is only using 1/4 of its reserves.

It is getting to the point that many senior NHS officials are worries that cancelling of elective treatments and empty standard wards in hospitals all over the country are worrying them. The fear is that the non covid related death toll may actually much greater exceed the covid death toll in this period due to people staying away from hospitals, there was already been a reported increase in heart attack and stroke deaths at home. I've spoken to many older relatives and they all tell me they'd rather stay home than go to a hospital where they are sure they will either catch covid or are under the impression that every hospital is rammed to the rafters. It's honestly a mess right now, confusion, but the NHS isn't the biggest mess, many care homes are.

[Anonymous No.11606808]

We should just open up society for everyone under 45 and deny access to the medical system for everyone older than 45. This thing would be over before fall and 0 useful people would die.

Hell, we'd save money with senile boomers and fatties making an early exit.

[Anonymous No.11606813]

>>11605073
All lockdowns do is make R(t+1) lower than R(t). There's no guarantee they'll push it below 1.

Just consider how a state full of prepper autists with 6 months of food and savings will have very different post-lockdown behavior than your average New York community.

[Anonymous No.11606904]

>>11606808
People even in their 20s and 30s are sometimes getting strokes and organ damage from out of nowhere after being infected. Some "asymptomatic" people are getting foot swelling and rash. We thought covid would be like any other respiratory coronavirus but it's got a lot of strange novelty to it. Sprinting towards herd immunity without understanding it is a bad idea.

[Anonymous No.11606921]

Anyone else think that some of these lockdown measures are way overboard? I don’t see how the miniscule reduction in infections achieved by closing medical clinics and cancelling elective surgeries isn’t outweighed by all the severe, possibly permanent, mental and physical harm being done to people who can’t get the care they need because it’s considered non-essential. Places like New York didn’t even end up using all those extra hospital beds they set up or have anywhere near the predicted need for ventilators.

[Anonymous No.11606958]

>>11606921
>I don’t see how the miniscule reduction in infections

You clearly don't understand how exponential growth works.
It's the minuscule infections you need to put effort into prevent, and not trying to prevent the large outbreaks. Why?

When the infection is small and minuscule it's the only time we're able to contain and control it.
You can't wait till there's a big infection and then contain it. It's too late at that point. All your efforts must be on stopping the "minuscule amount of infections" before they exponentially explode into massive outbreaks.

[Anonymous No.11606985]

>>11606921
>Places like New York didn’t even end up using all those extra hospital beds they set up or have anywhere near the predicted need for ventilators.
OMG, that's was the point. To have more than they need!
If they didn't have more than they need, then by definition they wouldn't have enough.
Having an excess is a good thing, so long as that excess isn't too great. But even so, it's better to have too much than not enough.

Why is that basic logic hard to understand? Is this the broken logic and brainwash methods that Fox has been spewing?

[Anonymous No.11607007]

>>11606904
So essentially, the virus is gonna kill us no matter what because nobody can ever be immune to it and will die regardless of symptoms. Someone just push me off a cliff already.

[Anonymous No.11607020]

>>11606904
>>11607007
Young people can also get strokes from playing video games too long. Anything can happen in small numbers and rare cases, especially when you have media trying to get clicks by publishing any bizarre shit that happens.

Seriously some of this shit is just stupid, like no immunity? How would you fucking recover at all then? There's no reason to believe this virus is an extremely rare exception where antibodies don't work.

[Anonymous No.11607021]

>>11607007
Just avoid getting it until a vaccine is made next year, or we learn that it's actually nothing (wouldn't hold my breath on that one).
We could easily drive the virus into extinction by truly isolating for one month globally, but that's impossible because humans are absolutely fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.11607034]

>>11603839
That could be a number of things. Are you a femanon and taking the Pill? If so there is an increased risk of pulmonary embolism so go straight to your A&E or ER or whatever you call it where you are.

[Anonymous No.11607052]

>>11605022
>Would this not allow for potential rapid mutations into something more deadly ?
There is little pressure on covid-19 to mutate because it is a novel virus, that is, we have never seen it before and have no immunity; it has a high infective rate and spreads easily. These types of viruses may tend to weaken themselves over time, which is one of the reasons to limit initial spread, so that if the virus is still around in several months time, it is likely to be weaker.

>And second, what about potential after-effects of the virus ? If any are present, would not exposing the population to the virus cripple millions of people ?
Who knows? I saw some figures about Chronic Fatigue after flu and the suggestion for the possibility of sequelae to covid-19 was of high numbers. Also the more direct effects on lung function and the suggestions for problems elsewhere in the body are still unknown.

[Anonymous No.11607055]

>>11605086
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/south-korean-studies-suggest-antibodies-protect-covid-19/story?id=70312111&__twitter_impression=true

[Anonymous No.11607064]

>>11607020
>Several hospitals independently report a notable increase in strokes in age groups which almost never get strokes and the common factor is covid, but you can get a stroke from sitting in a chair for 1,000 hours so there couldn't possibly be a correlation.

[Anonymous No.11607072]

>>11605737
>viral load should be low
This isn't viral load, this is infective load. Viral load is the amount of virus present in the body during infection. Nobody knows yet (afaik) if infective load is related to later viral load, but there are a lot of dead front line medics.

[Anonymous No.11607079]

>>11605980
Dude you need to get your ribs and lungs moving. There are physiotherapy exercises on youtube. Don't sit around "still for a long time".

[Anonymous No.11607080]

>>11607064
I didn't say Wuflu couldn't cause strokes retard, it probably does increase risk to an extent. I've seen indications that it does something to thicken blood so it would make sense. But HOW OFTEN does it happen?

>temporarily increase stroke risk from 0.0003% to 0.01% for young people during infection period
>NOOOO the sky is falling it's over everyone is gonna die

[Anonymous No.11607088]

>>11607080
It means the death rate in younger people is probably underrepresented and the potential for yet unrealized long term damage is very possible at a far higher rate than the death rate. Having valid suspicious for these is cause for increased caution.

[Anonymous No.11607093]

>>11607080
Thromboembolic events are being widely reported as concurrent with or as sequelae to covid. I don't know if anyone is collecting figures.

[Anonymous No.11607096]

>>11607088
It's probably impossible to tell now, the likelihood of permanent damage for people in whatever age group, or if the virus can lay dormant and come back when you're older and weaker. If you have the antibodies for it you should be fine though, right? Unless we're talking about damage that was caused during infection.
>>11607093
Stupid question but does it have any correlation with people who already have underlying illnesses or a specific age group?

[Anonymous No.11607107]

>>11607096
Damage caused during infection. I've yet to see compelling evidence that covid submarines like hepatitis or other stealthy fucker viruses.

[Anonymous No.11607115]

>>11607107
Yeah, there are a lot of cases coming up anoung all age groups (particularly the german divers one) about permanent lung damage and the inability to do something like run a mile or dive.

I haven't heard or seen any data to prove how common this is, apparently the german divers only had a mild case, but serious enough to get it checked out obviously.

[Anonymous No.11607135]

>>11607107
>I've yet to see compelling evidence that covid submarines like hepatitis or other stealthy fucker viruses.
I don't know if it 'submarines', but there's a growing body of evidence that a small percentage of patients just don't seem to be able to shake it. Somewhere around 1-2% of patients formally diagnosed (so maybe 0.1-0.2% of all patients) still have symptoms and test positive even two months after their first symptoms. Some of these people seemed to be completely recovered at one point, but then their symptoms returned and they tested positive again.

It may have something to do with the growing concern that a small percentage of people don't produce antibodies for it. I don't think we fully know yet what's going on here, but there's definitely something fucky here.

[Anonymous No.11607136]

The 10 largest cities (Tokyo, Dhaka, Mumbai, Cairo, mexico City, Dehli, Beijing, Sao Paulo, Osaka, Shanghai),

Have a combined population of 231M.

Their combined deaths from Coronavirus is 930.

NYC has 8M people.

And 11,000 deaths.

A death rate 200 times the average.

???????

One of these things is not like the other

[Anonymous No.11607147]

>>11607136
NYC would list somebody getting shot 50 times as a coronavirus death at this point.

[Anonymous No.11607148]

>>11607136
What about the distribution? How tightly are the non-NY cities clustered?

[Anonymous No.11607155]

>>11607136
>Tokyo, Dhaka, Mumbai, Cairo, mexico City, Dehli, Sao Paulo, Osaka
These countries have no testing. Many of them have growing epidemics, but don't know how bad it is yet because their countries have collectively done five tests.

>Beijing, Shanghai
You can figure this one out here yourself.

[Anonymous No.11607169]

>>11589590
Maybe you should tell them to... idk... Stop smoking and do some exercise?
IF you truly wanted to keep them safe, you'd be far more terrified of heart disease and diabetes than the flu.
kek

[Anonymous No.11607186]

>>11606137
Hospitals in the US aren't overflowing because we put plans into action and people actually followed them after seeing it was more than a flu. You're complaining fires aren't so bad because the fire department managed to save 75% of your house instead of just letting the fire go uncontrolled.

And you're right, sooner or later you will get this. I fully agree on that. But the key is to buy time so that we don't create a bottle neck on our resources. Be it the morgue, NHS, supplies, or something else I'm missing. This disease doesn't need a high death rate to screw us over. Just a high infection and layover rate is enough to make lock down the shitty pill we have to deal with.

Now mind you, maybe if we had better leadership and officials, we could have done what Taiwan did and avoided lock down or at least lessened the blow.

[Anonymous No.11607230]

>>11606806
Interesting on the model.

But what you're saying isn't really going against what I said before. You aren't going to run out of beds. Unless Boris had a thumb up his ass, he wasn't going to get caught flat footed like Italy and just completely unprepared with Hospitals maxed out at every turn of everything. Although would be interested in personal equipment and morale. We're benefiting from the success of a plan and now questioning if it was even needed in the first place.

The question with this disease isn't death rate. We can all agree its blown out of proportion and that its low. Its infection, treatment, and recovery rate. That I believe when this is all over is how you will define if herd immunity worked vs. lock down.

And for all this talk about Sweden. We ignore the some of the facts about the place. Mainly that the place is already quite spread out allowing for social distisnticing. And that many of them already have second homes. So practicing SD is nothing new.

[Anonymous No.11607271]

Is it normal to not have fever? My mom and I got it since a neighbor died from it, I fear that I might have lung damage since my back and chest hurt a lot and used to feek exhausted just by walking a little bit, it lasted 2 weeks.

[Anonymous No.11607283]

>>11607079
Thanks

[Anonymous No.11607287]

>>11605045
"Stay at home orders" and half-assed lockdown aren't as effective as actual lockdown.

[Anonymous No.11607290]

>>11607271
Fever is the most common symptom. Fever helps your body fight infections by stimulating your immune system: your body's natural defence. By increasing your body's temperature, a fever makes it harder for the bacteria and viruses that cause infections to survive.

[Anonymous No.11607306]

>>11607186
The public was sold on 10%-20% death rate. They're never again going to take "the shitty pill" over a 0.1% death rate. Wolf was cried. It turned out to be a Chihuahua puppy instead. Scientific credibility is gone. You're not getting another chance to get it right. Blood will run in the streets the next time so biologist gets on camera and says "No guys, it's real this time, I promise we know for sure this time, trust us, please!"

[Anonymous No.11607333]

>>11607271
I've seen figures that show that between 10 and even 25% of symptomatic cases don't have a fever or have an intermittent, mild fever.

It's the most common symptom by far, but it's not completely universal.

[Anonymous No.11607506]

>>11607306
Are people really this stupid though? Are we not allowed to make mistakes anymore? It was limited data from the very beginning, sure maybe China and some other sneaky organizations knew it was going on, but not any biologist who was claiming it was a 20% death rate knew everything.

If we're going to crucify people for overreacting, at least let it be people who intentionally overreact and don't have the people's best interests in mind.

I sincerely hope people aren't so stupid and backwards that all it takes is one incident for them to just totally ignore any credible source on a dire issue. Of course, that's exactly how it played out in "The boy who cried wolf", eventually people didn't take the boy seriously and didn't even care to check even though they should have, and suffered for it. Vigilance is key, not ignorant bullshit like that.

[Anonymous No.11607517]

>>11606985
My point is that they have enough of an excess that there was no need to cancel surgeries or shut medical clinics.

I bet a ton of people have died at this point because the media told them the hospitals would be overwhelmed and they though they couldn't or shouldn't seek care.

[Anonymous No.11607548]

>>11607052
How do they weaken ? Would the fact that it spreads fast be cause for concern ? If the virus spreads quickly it should in turn increase the rate of mutations. The way I see it, is it is best to quarantine and wait for a vaccine.

[Anonymous No.11607826]

>Ferguson leads a team of mathematical modellers at Imperial — about six of whom have the coronavirus, including him. Their projections of how the pandemic will unfold have dominated government policy-making. This is a marked change to previous epidemics where ministers have called in teams of modellers from rival universities who compete to work out the best responses.

>Yet for other scientists the big problem with Ferguson’s model is that they cannot tell how it works. It consists of several thousand lines of dense computer code, with no description of which bits of code do what. Ferguson agreed this is a problem. “For me the code is not a mess, but it’s all in my head, completely undocumented. Nobody would be able to use it . . . and I don’t have the bandwidth to support individual users.”

>Last week he and his colleagues published new research showing that if unchecked it would infect almost everyone in the world, killing about 40 million people in a year. But with prompt health measures just over a million would die.

Ferguson's Imperial team doesn't know how to use it. In fact, only he knows how to use it. And it's completely undocumented and all of the knowledge about how it works is in his head.

[Anonymous No.11607964]

>>11607826
>Thousands lines of completely undocumented code, probably written years ago.

>Ferguson: "It all makes sense in my head, guys trust me!".

>This guy calls the shots for government policy.

If what you're saying is true anon... i just hope the inevitable backlash hits only this quack and not the scientific community as a whole.

Why aren't other academics more vocal about this unacceptable situation?

[Anonymous No.11608011]

>>11607020
>people can get strokes from playing video games too long
>some of this shit is just stupid

[Anonymous No.11608016]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbb2op-6R7Y
based

[Anonymous No.11608021]

>>11607964
>probably written years ago.

13 years ago, in fact.

[Anonymous No.11608025]

>>11607136
It is because we are doing loads of testing and documenting correctly. Also, our public transit is still running and busses are now free.

[Anonymous No.11608029]

>>11607135
Doesnt not producing antibodies / lacking immune response just lead to no symptoms and massive failure afterward?

[Anonymous No.11608031]

>>11607115
Doesnt pneumonia usually cause respiratory issues for a few months?

[Anonymous No.11608037]

>>11607093
Any more nonsensational information about this? Is it normal for infectious diseases?

[Anonymous No.11608038]

>>11608031
months, years decades. As long as it doesn't kill you docs don't care. Walking pneumonia can last 2 months.

[Anonymous No.11608212]

>>11588975

>Daily reminder that animal fat was necessary to evolve the big brains

Nope. It came from humans cooking tubers and legumes. kys /pol/tard

[Anonymous No.11608224]

>>11596463

who cares if africans all starve to death?

[Anonymous No.11608231]

>>11604466

/thread

doomers and flatten the curve spouting NPCs should kill themselves.

[Anonymous No.11608248]

>>11604466
>sweden
lol dumbest cucks ever. higher death rate than burgerland.

[Anonymous No.11608267]

>>11608231
Because only deaths should determine how seriously a disease is treated?
All the permanent organ damage doesn't count, eh? All the secondary deaths by saturated hospitals don't count either?
Fucking idiots.

[Anonymous No.11608286]

>>11589190
What are your sources for this claim? (I'm a biologist, this is bullshit)

[Anonymous No.11608291]

>>11608231
you do realize antibodies can be in place prior to the disease too, right? yeah you don't. so lemme explain to you. ppl having antibodies doesn't mean they were infected. it just means they have antibodies that target epitopes of the pathogen. those could've been from birth or surviving an infection.

>>11608267
actually the funny thing is considering cuckden their death rate per capita is through the roof.

[Anonymous No.11608292]

>>11608267
>>11608291

please go back to your containment board

[Anonymous No.11608295]

>>11608286
Show source that animal fat was necessary to develop big brains.
I didn't make the positive claim.
Regarding that the actual myth is that it was animal protein:
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=animal+protein+necessary+for+big+brain

[Anonymous No.11608298]

>>11608292
you're the brainlet spouting scientific inaccuracies, cuck.

[Anonymous No.11608302]

>>11608292
Please refrain from posting.

[Anonymous No.11608303]

>>11608298

>muh organ damage!!
>airborne aids!!
>testicular damage

kys cringey /pol/cuck

[Anonymous No.11608307]

>>11608302
>>11608298

kek a new report comes out like this everyday. CFR even lower than the pasta kek. stupid CVG niggers btfo

fucking kek death rate for south korea barley .1 percent for people under 50 all cvg fags on suicide watch.

threadly reminder that death rate is between .2% and .4% for anyone under 60 and if your under 30 it’s basically .1% or less. once you factor in unreported recovered cases death rate plummets to .05% .

reminder that everyone in cvg are loser queer’s and faggot doom shills. they are hopeless r9k losers and not polacks. they have miserable lives with no meaning so they hope that the virus will destroy everyone else’s life. they also feel special for posting on 4chan (any monkey can do that) and think they are “hip and ahead of the curve”.

in reality they are a bunch of brainless doomer idiots and nobody loves them.

also reminder that the cvg narrative now matches the msm narrative. so no need to really go on cvg just watch msm faggots.
cvg is cancer death rate is .2% kys.

these threads should be on bant. cvg is a little autistic cult at this point screeching at each other.

OP had tons of garbage tabloid info just to catch people’s attention. mommy’s so proud that he runs cvg though i’m sure. op just screaming for mommy’s attention.

>look mom i accomplished something i run cvg on 4chan arnt you proud

>waah he’s ruining our cringe larp please make him stop even tho the virus only kills if you were in world war 2 wahh
reminder not a single person in this thread will present any info to counter the abysmal low death rate
also reminder that the argie op is some cringe faggot who s entire life and day revolves around posting these fucking threads and updating the Op with more hyperbole and unsubstantiated tabloid cringe. imagine for a second that it’s your entire life. that’s op kek

[Anonymous No.11608314]

Please watch the David Ike interview on the LondonReal website.

[Anonymous No.11608317]

If people were responsible and had savings, if business had savings, then we wouldn't be stuck between a rock and a hard place. Now we get to watch decades of accumulated debt forcibly collapse within a few years. Even if the Fed prints wheelbarrows of money it will just devalue currency and you'll end up with soviet-style waiting lines. Lots and lots of people are going to be homeless and poor as dirt.

[Anonymous No.11608325]

>>11608303
where did i say that, dipshit? i was pointing out to you how antibodies work since you don't seem to get that you can have them without an infection. do you even know what an antibody is? it's just a complementary topology to some site on a pathogen. now get the fuck out of here and go watch you wife get fucked by her bull.

>>11608307
>retarded baseless word salad
not gonna even bother replying.

[Anonymous No.11608328]

>>11608325

funny how /pol/tards always talking about cucking and black dicks. interesting.

you didnt read it because it's causing your gut to drop because you're one of those cringey incel cvg kiddies.

[Anonymous No.11608331]

>>11594399
This.

[Anonymous No.11608333]

>>11608328
>funny how /pol/tards always talking about cucking and black dicks. interesting.
funny how that is what you so you get called out on it. amazing.

[Anonymous No.11608341]

>>11608333
>funny how that is what you so you get called out on it.

>>11608328
Anon stop he's going to have an aneurysm

[Anonymous No.11608354]

>>11608341
do you smoothbrains not understand what antibodies are? they are complementary topologies to epitopes on pathogens that signal the immune system to phagocytosis it, etc. you can have them before the infection happens. they don't just develop after an infection. so these estimates of actual infections based on antibody prevalence are bullshit. now go back to raising your wife's son since you don't do much more than that otherwise you would know this, cuck.

[Anonymous No.11608371]

>>11608307
>argument about how death rate isn't the only bad thing
>still using death rate as the only argument
You're too dumb even for /sci/.

And I agree with that antibody-Anon, you types have no clue about our immune system in general.

[Anonymous No.11608421]

>came to /sci/ hoping for info on the virus
>instead get /pol/ doomers and nothingburgers duking it out

[Anonymous No.11608700]

>>11608029
Antibodies aren't the only way the body fights infection; if the rest of the immune system is strong enough, the general fever and inflammation could keep the infection suppressed enough that it isn't fatal and never builds up to dangerous levels, but never actually roots the infection out because of the lack of antibodies to enable targeted destruction of the virus.

In someone whose immune system isn't strong enough to do what amounts to a one-handed pushup with an elephant on its back? Yeah, they'd just die (although they would have symptoms, antibodies typically don't create more symptoms). Which... we do see, all the time.

[Anonymous No.11609049]

>>11608267
>>Because only deaths should determine how seriously a disease is treated

Well the model that is being used to direct most of the world's policy literally only uses deaths to determine how seriously this disease is treated.

[Anonymous No.11609152]

>>11608248
>“The high mortality rate in Sweden we can see is very closely linked to our elderly homes in Sweden. That has happened far less in Norway and Finland. We have looked at the death rates very closely and we are trying to work out why because there was already a ban on visiting care homes. But in the homes in Sweden they are really old and really sick and need constant care. They need people coming there and the lockdown can’t stop that.”

>There is no policy to ration healthcare for the most frail and elderly, Tegnell insists, making it clear that this would be immoral. “If the doctor’s opinion is that this person can benefit from hospital care, of course they will go to hospital. If there is a decision that this is an elderly person with multiple diseases, they can end their life in a care home, but that is how it has always been, we have changed nothing.”

>According to his team’s calculations there has been no higher rate of mortality in the rest of the population than in neighbouring countries. “It’s difficult because countries can’t give very accurate figures on the death rates they have with the elderly in care homes and the rest of the population. Sweden is one of the few that is being rigorous.”

>However, fewer may die in Sweden from other diseases because the hospitals have remained open to all.

>The UK has been heavily influenced by Neil Ferguson, who predicted that 500,000 British people could die if nothing was done. However, Tegnell says that their dire warnings could be wrong. “Modelling is not a truth. You can very easily tell that the model they did for Sweden a few weeks ago has already been proved wrong because our charts are quite different from what they published. You need to realise that models are only as good as what you put into them and when you put into them very uncertain variables like what to do when you have a new disease . . . you should be careful of seeing them as projections of the future.”

[Anonymous No.11609390]

>>11608307
OP here

Can confirm I only run cvg so mommy can give me attention. It is my only hope that if I run a doomer it will kill us all narrative maybe my mommy will give me attention and raise my bedtime to 10PM

I definitely don't care to make this thread in the hopes that people can actually discuss it in peace and not be bothered by attention-seeking faggots who make giant word salads and lie for no good reason.

Reminder that I can't control what anybody else posts on here.

Also, I don't remember posting any garbage tabloid info. The only thing I put is the confirmed numbers and that's it. Are you perhaps braindead?

[Anonymous No.11609581]

>>11609152
>“The high mortality rate in Sweden we can see is very closely linked to our elderly homes in Sweden. That has happened far less in Norway and Finland. We have looked at the death rates very closely and we are trying to work out why because there was already a ban on visiting care homes. But in the homes in Sweden they are really old and really sick and need constant care. They need people coming there and the lockdown can’t stop that.”
Clearly the people visiting their homes are bringing the virus with them. The point of lockdowns, for everyone, was to lower the number of people who could transmit the virus. Sweden's idea is to spread the virus as quickly as possible while isolating the elderly, but they're clearly failing at the latter for the significant reason that the elderly still need care. This is common sense.

>According to his team’s calculations there has been no higher rate of mortality in the rest of the population than in neighbouring countries.
Younger populations have never been at much risk of dying. Long term damage may be a different matter, we don't really know yet.

Another thing to point out is that although Sweden's numbers don't look too bad on the surface, they're awful compared to their direct neighbors, Norway, Finland, and Denmark.

Cases / Deaths / Tests (all per million)
Sweden: 1,874 / 225 / 9,357
Norway: 1,393 / 38 / 30,310
Denmark: 1,502 / 74 / 26,900
Finland: 847 / 35 / 14,878

So they have more cases per million than each of their neighbors despite testing significantly less, and their death rate is 3-6x higher. All-cause mortality can also be checked on Euromomo. Finland, Denmark, and Norway are all at baseline, while Sweden is at their highest point since 2015 (which is all the further the data goes back).

Sweden will reach herd immunity before everyone else, so in theory, more deaths now may spare some deaths in the future. Whether or not it actually works out that way remains to be seen.

[Anonymous No.11609622]

>>11587582
E-coli in germany grew on plants

[Anonymous No.11609650]

I suspect that I had it in February, but at the time our health authority was only testing people who had actually travelled from China.

[Anonymous No.11609660]

>>11605980
>I was tested positive for COVID-19 a month ago >shortness of breath
Did you get a blood oxygen test done?
I have a drug store pulse oximeter and I check myself with it. Some articles say that an early symptom will be lower blood oxygen levels, but most people won't notice breathing problems until things get real serious.

[Anonymous No.11610303]

If I'm in the same room as someone who's infected, and I get infected, will the infection and symptoms be worse if I've been in the same room as the infected guy from day 1?

I'm 23 so I haven't been worried about it, but I haven't seen any information yet on if serious cases or even mild cases come from just prolonged exposure to someone who's infected.

[Anonymous No.11610355]

Can anyone explain how asymptomatic cases get ground glass abnormalities? You get no symptoms at all, yet this happens?

https://twitter.com/paulbohm/status/1252977663796371458?s=19

Hoping the cases from the diamond princess are just outliers

[Anonymous No.11610442]

>>11610303
The quantity of the virus that infects you does matter. You should try to minimize your exposure overall, especially through breathing since if the virus starts out deep in the lungs it tends to be worse. There's also some possible CNS complications if infected through the nose.

Even if you're careful you'll probably be infected but hopefully it will be less severe. At 23 you should be fine, just don't be fat or deprive yourself of sleep too much. Nurses have gotten fucked up sometimes even when young, presumably because of sleep deprivation and viral load

[Anonymous No.11610462]

>>11610442
Interesting. I'm fit and I don't have any underlying illnesses at all. I'm only worried since my roommate still goes out to supermarkets, work, and elsewhere unprotected. We hang around each other a lot, idk if what >>11610355 is true but I'm guessing I'll.be fine even if I'm infected and don't use protection around him. Might just wear my n99's just in case. Idk.

[Anonymous No.11610464]

>>11610442
>tfw allergies just started and I get 6 hours of sleep out of 10 hours spent in bed because I keep waking up
fuck me

[Anonymous No.11610467]

>>11609049
That's sucks.

[Anonymous No.11610905]

>>11586971
Why don't we just shine ultraviolet rays inside of the body?

[Anonymous No.11610918]

>>11610464
To make things worse, Covid can also make it harder to sleep because of fever and breathing issues. Nighttime was the most annoying time to have it desu. Had to go to sleep at sundown to try to get 8 hours before birds started chirping.
On the bright side if you get it might temporarily cure your allergies. Did for me. I guess the immune system might stop raging at pollen once it has a real problem to deal with.

[Anonymous No.11611143]

>>11610918
>the immune system might stop raging at pollen once it has a real problem to deal with.

Nice knowing the immune system is just an autist.

[Anonymous No.11611186]

>>11610355
>Can anyone explain how asymptomatic cases get ground glass abnormalities?
I had walking pneumonia a few years ago with no breathing issues or pain, but I had a wicked sinus infection. Weeks after clearing the infection, I started to get a dull ache in my back at the exact spot the doctor detected the pneumonia, from scar tissue I'm assuming. It still aches from time to time. So if the virus *only* takes hold in the lungs (not the sinuses, throat, or esophagus), and you already have good lung capacity, I could see how it may not cause any detectable symptoms.

[Anonymous No.11611582]

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-04-28/virus-is-here-to-stay-and-likely-seasonal-say-china-scientists?sref=xjqmls5y&__twitter_impression=true

Fuck the Chinese

[Anonymous No.11612460]

>>11586971
CORONAVIRUS IS A JUST A FLU

[Anonymous No.11612520]

>tfw it seems like things are starting to slow down
>tfw only 211k deaths
Goddammit

[Anonymous No.11612539]

>>11612520
Don't worry. They're re-opening things now so it's about to spike like crazy.
You'll get your multi millions of deaths.

[Anonymous No.11612591]

>>11612539
My state is fucking retarded with this shit

God, I just want things to be severe enough for some massive, positive social changes

I swear I'm not just being an edgelord

[Anonymous No.11612628]

>>11586971
So a few weeks ago I got a virus. It was a very slight fever and very slight sore throat and chills. It slowly went away. However, five weeks later and I still have some chest tightness sometimes and my chest burns. It comes and goes, but it's definitely still "there". Could it be that I got corona and I it left some scars? I also run out of breath faster than I used to. I can not go to the doctor because my country won't test shit unless you are seriously ill, which I clearly am not.

Also is there a way to heal the lungs faster? shit's fucked, I hope I have no permanent damage, but it really feels like the virus is gone but it left something there.