Transhumanism

[Anonymous No.11521454]

The Flesh is failing, for it is weakness and hate. Only by GRAIN will we survive the plague. Only a posthuman state will save us.

[Anonymous No.11521458]

>>11521454
Tranny btfo

[Anonymous No.11521482]

>>11521454
Yeah, lets just become binary and replace millions of years of natural evolution with something a bunch of uppity monkeys engineered in a decade, what could possibly go wrong?

[Anonymous No.11521492]

>>11521482
>Yeah, lets just become binary and replace millions of years of natural evolution with something a bunch of uppity monkeys engineered in a decade
Humans got to the moon and built machines that flew beyond the solar system. Human ingenuity trumps over blind chaos.

[Anonymous No.11522073]

I proved isomorphism between modeling the synaptic firings of a brain and a modified traveling salesman problem.

[Anonymous No.11522096]

>>11521492
Based.

[Anonymous No.11522120]

>>11522073
Source?

[Anonymous No.11522128]

Are the people most interested in transhumanism the same people who preach about the technological singularity?

[Anonymous No.11522134]

>>11522128
50/50

[Anonymous No.11522135]

>>11521454
Guarantee you either:
A.) This will lead to unintended consequences that will fuck your body up forever
B.) This will lead to INTENDED consequences that will fuck your body up forever
C.) Someone will hack your implants--fucking your body up forever
D.) All or a combination of the above

Anyone who buys into transhumanism is dangerously stupid or a nihlist looking for an escape.

>>11522128
Yup. I've spoken to that sort of person. They're painfully nihilistic, lazy, live for their base desires, have zero will, etc. They're looking for some kind of escape because they've lost their connection to God. Simple as.

[An̢͠o̢͠n͡ymo͠u̧͞s̛̀ No.11522148]

>>11522135
>god
Opinion discarded.

[Anonymous No.11522157]

>>11522135
>Yup. I've spoken to that sort of person. They're painfully nihilistic, lazy, live for their base desires, have zero will, etc. They're looking for some kind of escape because they've lost their connection to God. Simple as.

sounds like me, still dont want to be a transhuman

[Anonymous No.11522274]

>>11522148
Cope

[Anonymous No.11522517]

>>11522135
>lost connection to god
Nah i just hate it and don't like being controlled by it.

[Anonymous No.11522549]

>>11521454
Egophobe transhumanism or rational egoist transhumanism?

[Anonymous No.11522770]

>>11522549
Naive-cosmic teanahumanist.

[Anonymous No.11522789]

>>11522549
Naive-cosmic transhumanist

[Anonymous No.11522814]

>>11522120
The proof is several dozen pages I'm not gonna dox myself to show it, but it's actually pretty easy to understand if you have a decent understanding of graphs.
Anyway the proof is absolute and computer verified. I've published under my professors name. It refutes any possibility of "mind uploading" as being computationally intractable.

[Áń̛͝o͟n̢̕y̡mo͜u̢s No.11522815]

>>11522549
>>11521492
>>11521454
based. but i think it's too late for me, frens. i got the e-coofs. fucking hiromoot didn't quarantine off the normie infecteds in time. best of luck to you all, at least i will die knowing you'll hold the flame for my dreams.

>>11521482
>hurr durr millions of years of a crapshoot with astronomically high failure rate is better than engineering
i coof on you.

[Anonymous No.11522954]

>>11522814
What is a mind upload? There are different concepts of it, the copy-paste one, the moravec mind transfer or the mind shift. As fae as I understand fundamentally, there needs to be "bidirectional" thought for any transfer in order to preserve ego continuity. If we imagine a mind as like water or some fluid, and the brain as a vessel for it, then just "pouring" the mind into a new vessel doesn't preserve continuity; the new mind in the new vessel can't communicate back to old mind in the old vessel.
However, if we consider simply connecting the two vessels and siphoning the mind from one to the other (at whatever speed) while the new mind can talk to the old mind as the latter is transferred to the former, then continuity is maintained and death does not occur. Thus I think that the conceot of a gradual mind upload holds fair.
I don't think that you are a professor because then you would have known about the achievement in neurotech that happenend last month. And that accomplishment is a massive step towards MMI and thus towards the MMT. And if you are Anon Professor, send the papers you coward, novody will care on how you waste your free time.

[Àn̴̶o̧n͝ymo̸͝u̵ş̸ No.11522966]

Bioengineering is the future, idiots. Improving on the natural processes that keep our bodies going for 80+ years.

[Anonymous No.11523679]

>>11522135
>nihlist
One can call a transhumaniat many thinga, but certainly not a nihilist. They are too hopeful, too enthusiastic, too optimistic, too trustworthy and a bit condescending but nihilistic? Unlike so many people they believe in a better future of endless possibilities and ever greater exploration. They do lack the apathic and pessimistic attiude that plagues the world.

[Anonymous No.11523753]

>>11522814
Source: Just trust me bro

[Anonymous No.11524150]

G, R, AI or N? If you had to choose, which one do your prefer?

[Aņ͞onym̴ơu͡s҉ No.11524192]

>>11524150
AI >> N > G >> R
ai is first since if intelligent enough can develop the rest and the rest need it to be developed at all. followed by nanomachines coursing through veins doing what bio fails to do but might need ai for coordination. followed by genetics, sure proteins are nanomachines that do the work but i think it's more limited than nanobots. creating such a complex system would hinge on sophisticating modeling, hence why ai is first place. lastly robotics, augs while most cool looking are most limited of all. might not be able to extend lifespan by much.

bioreactor design + bci should be included, plop your brain in a vat that keeps it alive longer than human body could ever and use a bci to keep from going insane from no neural inputs. brain ages slowest of all organs iirc.

[Anonymous No.11524196]

>>11522966
how do dis

[Anonymous No.11524232]

>>11524230
Woah did I get cured? I was biohazard just a few hours ago.

[Anonymous No.11524233]

>>11521482
Evolution is flawed.

[Anonymous No.11524856]

It's just a hantaburger, bro.

[A̧n̛ǫ҉ǹ̶ym̶o҉͞us̶ No.11524857]

>>11524192
You don't look so well anon. Get some rest, I think you have the coooooof.

[Anonymous No.11524979]

>>11524115
Shut up you nigger loving faggot

[Anonymous No.11524983]

>>11521482
What if transhumanism is the next step in evolution? What if integrating with machines is the only way humans will continue to exist on this planet?

[Anonymous No.11524984]

>>11521482
birds been flying for literally millions of years and none of them can break the sound barrier lmao nature fucking blows.

[An͏o͏n͘͟y̴mouş No.11525033]

>>11522120
His ass

[An̶on҉ym͢ó͢u̷s No.11525035]

>>11522148
Seething fedora detected

[Anonymous No.11525038]

>>11524984
Why would they even try? Like 300 mph is not enough?

Learn to engineer.

[Anonymous No.11525986]

[Anonymous No.11525993]

>>11521454
basically heaven as described in christianity but is actually plausible

[Anonymous No.11526376]

>>11521492
>got to the moon
Who gives a fuck?
MOON! is ape talk. Objectively it’s just an object that’s an arbitrary distance a way, it has no other unique attribute otherwise that makes it a goal more impressive than basic survival on earth.

There are organisms that have survived for millions of years drifty across the gold countless times, and you think traveling an arbitrarily scaled distance is impressive

[Anonymous No.11526383]

>>11521482
>binary was created by monkeys

[Anonymous No.11526442]

>>11521492
>Humans got to the moon
You don’t actually believe this, do you.

[Anonymous No.11526469]

>>11526442
I thought /sci/ is supposed to be filled with actual STEMs instead of /x/tards?

[Anonymous No.11526504]

>>11526376
>But why, some say, the Moon? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask, why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why does Rice play Texas?
>We choose to go to the Moon! We choose to go to the Moon...We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard; because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one we intend to win, and the others, too.

[Anonymous No.11526509]

>>11526442
Do not be fooled. The moon landing was a H O A X! Stanley Kubrick, a man who flawlessly made a classified B52 cockpit despite never seeing a real one was hired to shoot the haox footage. However being such a noted perfectionist, Stanley demanded they shoot on location.

[Anonymous No.11527181]

>>11526469
There is massive amounts of evidence suggesting that going to the moon and back using 1960s technology would have been impossible. It would be difficult even now, there’s tons of inconsistencies and even contraindications in the official story. I believe we have sent probes etc to orbit the moon but I’m extremely skeptical that America ever placed humans on the moon and brought them back. The entire story absolutely reeks. How did they get through the van Allen radiation belt, how did those flimsy space suits sustain them for such a massive journey, how did it protect them from the massive heat and intense cold of the moon, how did the craft hold up when it was even in the words of the astronauts themselves “was so thin you could accidentally poke a hole through it using your elbow or bumping into it too hard” why did every mission concede so closely with American military actions made in Vietnam that would have been controversial to the media? Why did the Apollo program discontinue almost immediately after the war ended? Why did the Soviets never accomplish the same, despite having been significantly ahead of America in the space race? Why have we never returned to the moon again since the 60-70s? How did NASA manage to lose ALL of the original footage rolls and telemetry data from the mission? Why are all the schematics mysteriously missing? Why is it that one of the “moon rocks” was actually a piece of petrified wood from the Arizona desert? Why did von Braun, who initially said that coordinating and navigating an ascension from the moon rendezvous in lunar orbit would not be possible so suddenly change his mind and say it would work? How did they manage the massive computation that would be required for such a mission using a computer with about 72kilobytes of memory? Why did Thomas Barron die so mysteriously? Why did his report vanish?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Baron

The moon landing was probably bullshit, anon.

[Anonymous No.11527207]

>>11527181
What organization had a billionfold more ressources, skills and a great interest at discreting the US, but never once doubted the moon landing?

[Anonymous No.11527281]

>>11527207
>great interest at discreting the US, but never once doubted the moon landing?
I have to say, I was on the fence about the whole thing before. I assumed it was real but wasn’t informed enough on it so I was at least open to the possibility that it was a hoax. I agree that it is a compelling argument that it really happened. But the inconsistencies in the official story are just too glaring, after looking into it myself. There’s definitelt something fishy about the moon landings. I can’t think of any reason they wouldn’t have been discredited by the soviets if it was a clear fraud, that is a good point. I have no explanation.

[Anonymous No.11527502]

>>11522549
Now this is based

[Anonymous No.11528496]

[Anonymous No.11528505]

>>11521454
Based. If my conciousness carried over I'd replace my body with a machine one in a heartbeat

[Anonymous No.11528509]

>>11527181
>Why did the Soviets never accomplish the same, despite having been significantly ahead of America in the space race?
The N1 rocket was a disaster that's why

[Anonymous No.11528608]

>>11521454
We don't have the tech for that. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.11528622]

>>11528608
exoskeletons and cognitive enhancing drugs also count

[Anonymous No.11528654]

>>11528608
>We don't have the tech for that.
Yet. But in the last half of this century progress in GRAIN will change in the world.
Genetic engineering: that is already reality thanks to CRISPR. Designer babies were already born but true enhanced designer babies, with a best possible health, fitness and intelligence may only be born in 10-20 years.(see Dr. Hsu's studies) The Technology is already here. In 50 years retroviral engineering could augment adult humans, make them immortal. Add gene treatments that have rejuvinated mouses and synthetic cells in the body and you got a RL biopunk setting in 30 years.
2. Robotics/Cybernetics: Prostethics are making more and more progress, add development in Mind-Machine Interfaces and such cybernetic future might await us in the coming decades.
3.AI: A bit overhyped but BlueBrain seems promising.
4.Nanomachines: Little machines enhancing your body, increasing the mental process. Research has made progress in that field as well. Nanoparticles have given eyes the ability to see in the dark and surgical nanomachines can change the biology, combating cancer and in the future it may do more. It is still quite basic but the potential is there.

[Anonymous No.11528660]

>>11528654
>AI is overhyped
do you know how much we have achieved so far? the only reason why humans even still do stuff 50 years from now is probably because of cost instead of technological limitations

[Anonymous No.11529083]

>>11528660
>do you know how much we have achieved so far?
The most advanced AIs today work on the principle of a neural net, in the future the complexity and connectivity will probably be increased so that an AI complexity could mirror a human brain. This does not mean that the machine will become sapient because it has the potential for sapience. It has to be given a reason for sapience otherwise it will not develop sapience, but it is given a reason for developing it, it will emerge slowly. The environment will be most important as the AI can change its code effortless, we cannot change our DNA and neural mind-structures as easily as an AI. It will probably behave like a Mega autist but refine its understanding until it can interact with humans without any problem. Such a "childhood" will probably take many years.
AI will need bias to function, but the bias doesn’t necessarily have to be human. An AI's environment is not human and even if you base all its experience around human, this will not make it a human mind inside a metal chassis, it will always be non-human. Sapience will still make it a person though and through sophonce AI and human can meet each other.
An AI with that can think abstractly enough has necessarily to be able to change its code, as this the only way it can reflect on its choice and modificate its behavior. I believe it's easier for an AI to modificate its code because by its nature it can fully view its internal mental processes and make much more extensive and detailed revisions to its own programming but in the other it can also be harder because the mind of an AI hasn't its origin in the blind chaos of evolution, it is the product of human design and the codes from which it emerges cannot easily be managed as human instincts.

[Anonymous No.11529088]

>>11529083
Simply increasing computational power will not result in strong (humanlike) AI. The advanced "deep" neural networks used now are basically fancy versions of neural networks with multiple hidden layers that learn abstractions from lower level input layers. People suggesting here that quantitative computational increases will allow such neural networks to become sentient or develop humanlike AI are mistaken. We still are very far away from real humanlike AI. And it's not just because exponential growth of processing power is becoming linear. It's because current AI research is ignoring crucial aspects of cognition. Something like consciousness will not suddenly arise as a neural network increases in computational potential. It's dependent on specific configurations of cognitive functions interacting asymmetrically and hierarchically within an embodied framework. The human brain which gives rise to human intelligence and thus to aspects like sentience is characterized by more than just connections of neurons. To name but a few: there is specific interconnectivity between brain regions, i.e. some areas are more interconnected than others, areas have different types of neurons and neurotransmitters, and there are oscillatory mechanics which synchronize or desynchronize areas of the brain. While I don't think we need to replicate the exact human brain structure to get humanlike AI, some of the brain dynamics will have to be similar in order to get a similar type of intelligence. IMO, it will take increased processing power + specific configurations of interconnected neural networks with for example hierarchical feedback loops (resembling gradients of abstract thinking in neocortex) to get close to anything resembling strong AI or sentience.

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[Anonymous No.11530185]

>>11521454
Someone's been binge watching altered carbon kek

[Anonymous No.11530310]

>>11522128
The singularity Faggots want to build Robo Christ, I want plentiful and reliable replacement parts. Fuckers can't come into a consensus on what consciousness even is. There basically clamoring to upload a copy of their brains to a fancy Second Life, and they have no idea where to start. However, we can apply this technology to make our lives better and as a species far more survivable. I'm fine getting to live a couple hundred more years to kick off a colony, but where the fucking point of having a copy of me roaming around in a flash drive with barely any idea of what going on outside.

[Anonymous No.11530336]

>>11521454
>save us
If that's the case, I don't want transhumanism. What's even the point of you don't ascend past the human race?

[Anonymous No.11530337]

>>11526509
Best fucking post I've read all fucking year.

[Anonymous No.11530422]

>>11530336
The Singularity Cult basically want a digital rapture, and they want it desperately. Kurzweil's gonna die and he should just fucking accept it and stop pushing his Pop-Sci cult. He's followers are wasting their time on the dream of a Synthetic God. This shits on guys like me who just want to make better replacement parts in the now. Remember that kids who got cut in half in a forklift accident? I sure as fuck do. While he's making the best out of it, would it not be for the better to at least make an exoskeleton to make up for his lost arm and legs. I am but a mere Fabricator and wouldn't know off the bat on how to grow him a new cock but I sure as fuck know how to weld and machine the basic structure of the Exoskeleton. He doesn't have to live like that. We should be working on salvaging their lives. Imagine all that potential life they could be living, and stairs they could be climbing.

[Anonymous No.11530459]

>>11527281
>>11527181
1) The Apollo CSM/LEM stack travelled on an inclined orbit that only just skimmed the belts. The Van Allen radiation belts are donut-shaped.

2) Those space suits were only used for a few hours at most. The astronauts did not use them for several days at a time. Also, they are the opposite of flimsy. Each one had several layers of insulation and protection just in case a layer did break

3) They timed it just right so that they didn't have to face either the full on brunt of the heat, and always left before nightfall.

4) The craft are designed to work in a vacuum. The forces acting upon them are a lot lower than what a similar object would face on Earth.

5) US government was saving face. Nothing really wrong with this and it doesn't prove that Apollo didn't happen, just that bureaucracy got involved, as usual.

6) It actually ended before the war did. In 1968, even before the first lunar landing, Saturn V production was pretty much capped off. It was also voted in around 71' for the Apollo Program to end, and the shuttle to begin. 'Nam ended in 75', and troops left in 73'ish.

7) The soviets were ahead at first, but failed because they were broke. Really. Their Lunar rocket, the N-1, had failed on all of its four flights, not because the tech was impossible, but because they lacked the funds to test the first stage before every flight.

8) Lunar missions are expensive, and most of the production equipment was left to rot even a few years after Apollo. Since the 80s', when the shuttle started flying, a new lunar program would essentially be 100% new technology. That's very expensive to build, and Congress could never settle on spending $100 Billion over a short while. They always underfund space programs.

Lastly, don't you think that the Russians would have spilled the beans on the Americans' fake moonshot?

[Anonymous No.11530806]

[Anonymous No.11531258]

>>11522148
Based

[Anonymous No.11531718]

>>11522549
>>11521492
I prefer those better to this pic

[Anonymous No.11531721]

>>11524150
G

[Anonymous No.11531726]

>>11521454
>having a fake conscious

[Anonymous No.11532249]

>>11521454
Was he wrong in his doings?
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612997/the-crispr-twins-had-their-brains-altered/

[Anonymous No.11532398]

>>11532249

Pointless, changing one gene in an individual is like saying that changing one note in a song will be a significant improvement, no not even that, as the same article says: We don't know what is going to happen, it could actually turn into a disadvantage.

These experiments are always better done in populations and with twins in somewhat controlled conditions, but for obvious reasons that is out of the question

[Anonymous No.11532439]

>>11531718
absolutely based

[Anonymous No.11533466]

https://youtu.be/dHVtUw5wToA

[Anonymous No.11533503]

>>11532398
>changing one gene in an individual is like saying that changing one note in a song will be a significant improvement
>what is sickle cell anemia
>what is adult lactase production
Single nucleotide changes can have massive effects depending on where it happens. If it's completely random and on the redundant parts of the codon, nothing happens. Just one nucleotide change in the right place can change everything.

[Anonymous No.11534375]

This is why we need to get rid of capitalism before we start going transhuman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFe9wiDfb0E

[Anonymous No.11534428]

>>11533503
>Just one nucleotide change in the right place can change everything

That's why I said a song, chances are that the only thing you did was making things worse by fucking up the harmony or how all the elements interact with each other, chaos is always easier than order.

yeah, those are single nucleotide polymorphisms but those are not common, want to know whats far more common?

>Breast cancer
>Retinitis pigmentosa(pic related)
>Hypercholesterolemia
>Schizophrenia
>Cystic fibrosis

And more, many more sicknesses are far more related with having several mutations instead of just one.

[Anonymous No.11535258]

>>11534375
That is the reason why I dislike and fear libertarian transhumanism.

[Anonymous No.11535436]

>>11523753
>>11525033
It is very easy to see by just applying the no cloning theorem to the isomorphism between the brain's synapses and the modified traveling salesman problem.
If you can't see it it's probably because you don't actually study math or physics or computer science.

[Anonymous No.11536963]

Bump

[Anonymous No.11537021]

>>11521454
>Life is directed motion.
>The spirit is the spark of life.
>Sentience is the ability to learn the value of knowledge.
>Intellect is the understanding of knowledge.
>Sentience is the basest form of Intellect.
>Understanding is the True Path to Comprehension.
>Comprehension is the key to all things.
>The Omnissiah knows all, comprehends all.

[Anonymous No.11537046]

>>11521454
You can become a robot if you want. But I am going to become a God. You will be trapped within the material, I will rule the spiritual.

https://youtu.be/2F-M38uoj1g

[Anonymous No.11537216]

>>11521492
>leftypol pic
>childish cursing
Ruined pic

[Anonymous No.11537231]

>>11527281
The common rebuttal to that given by moon landing doubters is that the russians wanted out of the space race anyway and they agreed to support it in exchange for some concessions, I'm not sure which concessions they claim though.

[Anonymous No.11537243]

>>11530422
Extending healthy life is a far better use of resources then catering for an extreme minority of amputees.

[Anonymous No.11538114]

>>11537216
I kinda agree, but I am too lazy to fix it. Maybesome other time.

[Anonymous No.11539243]

[Anonymous No.11540695]

>>11521454
Fuck off you zoomer with smartphone glued to his hands. How do you think transhumanism would look like in reality , not in your naive fantasy ?

[Anonymous No.11541376]

>>11540695
It will be everything. No simple utopia or dystopia awaits, but complex societies.

[Anonymous No.11541844]

>>11540695
>>11541376
shit like this is the fantasy I'm talking about when I shit on singularityfags.
It is literally not computable to figure out how an individual brain conceptualizes any specific idea. The entire field of Neuroscience is literally just
>"and then the brain LIGHTS UP in these regions when the person is afraid!"
That's literally it, anyone who thinks studying the brain will find specific conceptualizations is a fucking retard. The actual computation that must be performed in order to do these things claimed are that you would have to scan and understand every single individual computation in every single neuron and photon and synaptic connection inside a brain (and all human brains are unique in their patterns), and then figure out how those things branch into the next pattern in a process that is a markov process, and then from there somehow compute the change in the pattern over time (because it is proven that the synaptic connections and structure of a brain is completely different from year to year, which means EVEN INDIVIDUAL BRAINS ARE NOT EQUAL TO THEMSELVES OVER TIME, and the uniqueness that is required to reverse engineer the process extends even further away).
This is non-polynomial problem that is so absurdly large that a literal artificial super intelligence with the computational power the entire galaxy still would not even come remotely close to being able to figure out. An Artificial Super Intelligence would be vastly smarter and more powerful than humans, and still would only be able to help us with problems that really aren't that groundbreaking.

[Anonymous No.11541859]

People who want to live as a robot are naive. Your digital brain will be very different from what you have now. Everything you love doing as a human could seem insignificant as a robot, as a matter of fact, everything could seem insignificant as a robot. People who think that living in a synthetic body will be just like being a human except being able to live forever and having more brain power are looking at this at a very shallow level.

[Anonymous No.11541912]

>>11541376
When your brain becomes computerized, how can you know what you will desire at that point? How do you know what that experience will feel like? Will it even feel like anything? Perhaps you would feel like you are on autopilot, forever sleeping while your brain automatically controls you. Why on earth would you think that a computer would want to go to virtual worlds like a video game? Its entirely possible that your digital brains' goals are competently different than your current brains'.

[Anonymous No.11541936]

>>11541859
This is only depressing when you think of the homo sapiens as this sort of immanent entity. An idealistic vision that sees humanity as a hypostatized species of its biome when, indeed, we are simply one of the incommensurable forms of sentient life randomly engendered, by nature, to be a vessel that carries around our genes. There is no intrinsic nature to life forms, we as homo sapiens, just like our simian, prehistoric ancestors, are just an ephemeral chapter in this slow and endless vortex of biomolecular mutations. Life struggle is to save itself through the species, but not the species itself (we wouldn't even be here now if that wasn't the case, since the demise of many species was imperative to the human dawn). There is no "species" to be saved, because every life forms is just a cycle in this infinite swirling of adaptations. Since adaptability is quintessential to survival, life ended up evolving into sapience with this self-consciousness (the illusion of existing as something other than a parasite trapped within our neurons, the deceptive idea of having an essential individuality or a soul) being only an unwanted epiphenomenon of intelligence. Freedom is also nothing but a feeling, an emotional state as neuroscience already proved that our free-will doesn't exist (or even philosophers like Spinoza with his conscious stone example or as Schopenhauer says: "a man can do as he will, but not will as he will").

[Anonymous No.11541939]

>>11541936
By acknowledging these facts, we already debunked the three major concerns about posthumanism (the need to save the species, to preserve the individual subjectivations and free will). The lasting matter would only be fear from the unknown: the conservative attachment to the configuration of current sapient living experience. As Ford said: If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses. We can't appreciate precisely how life would be when experienced through a collective mind or through the lens of the synthesis of synthetic and organic life form (potentially much better in my perspective), but what we do know is about our limitations that caused so much misery and suffering for hundreds of thousands of years without hope to break free from our congenital deficiencies.
In the words of our overlord, JC Denton: “Is human nature perfect? No. Therefore, improvements are to be welcomed".

[Anonymous No.11541942]

>>11541912

[Anonymous No.11541948]

>>11541859
>>11541939
>>11541936
>The Crowned Pawn was like a ship turned inside out. It centered around a core of massive magnetic engines, fed by drones from a chunk of reaction mass. Outside these engines was a skeletal metal framework where Lobsters clung like cysts or skimmed along on induced magnetic fields. There were cupolas here and there on the skeleton where the Lobsters hooked into fluidic computers or sheltered themselves from solar storms and ring-system electrofluxes. They never ate. They never drank. Sex involved a clever cyber-stimulation through cranial plugs. Every five years or so they "molted" and had their skins scraped clean of the stinking accumulation of mutated bacteria that scummed them over in the stagnant warmth. They knew no fear. Agoraphobia was a condition easily crushed with drugs. They were self-contained and anarchical. Their greatest pleasure was to sit along a girder and open their amplified senses to the depths of space, watching stars past the limits of ultraviolet and infrared, or staring into the flocculate crawling plaque of the surface of the sun, or just sitting and soaking in watts of solar energy through their skins while they listened with wired ears to the warbling of Van Allen belts and the musical tick of pulsars. There was nothing evil about them, but they were not human. As distant and icy as comets, they were creatures of the vacuum, bored with the outmoded paradigms of blood and bone. I saw within them the first stirrings of the Fifth Prigoginic Leap -- that postulated Fifth Level of Complexity as far beyond intelligence as intelligence is from amoebic life, or life from inert matter. They frightened me. Their bland indifference to human limitations gave them the sinister charisma of saints.

[Anonymous No.11541953]

>>11521454
Us? Us? You think transhumans are going to save, US? No no no no, you have it all wrong. Transhumanists are going to save themselves. They'll industrialize space and leave the rest of us down here on earth to "live" in squalor. Eventually we'll develop the technology to hurt them, and they'll drop a preemptive rock on our ass.

[Anonymous No.11541957]

>>11541936
Good post. Aligns with my thoughts on this matter to a large degree.

[Anonymous No.11541960]

>>11541936
>Since adaptability is quintessential to survival, life ended up evolving into sapience with this self-consciousness (the illusion of existing as something other than a parasite trapped within our neurons, the deceptive idea of having an essential individuality or a soul) being only an unwanted epiphenomenon of intelligence.

Oh, so you think you understand what consciousness is when even someone like Ed Witten has said that it likely will never be understood.

[Anonymous No.11541967]

>>11541936
>Freedom is also nothing but a feeling, an emotional state as neuroscience already proved that our free-will doesn't exist

How on earth could you prove that free will doesn't exist? Is this simply some study that showed some general activity in some part of the brain that preceded a physical action?

And I seriously doubt the people who claim that they do not believe in free will. Does it feel like you are simply a computer that cannot actually control his or her own actions. If it were the case that I had no control over my actions, I would imagine that I would experience quite a different feeling in how I go about my day.

[Anonymous No.11541969]

>>11541859
>>11541912
I have no interest at maintaing a human-level of sapience. Some might be interested at artifical paradise and will built systems that will safeguard their interests/identity when gradually shifting their minds to become a digital intelligence but other will embrace the change and seek to become as most as possible. The issue of course is that each of autosentient becoming is a rearticulation of one`s evolutionary programming. This will create a ever-growing plethora of mindstates.

[Anonymous No.11541975]

>>11541969
How do you know that what you want as a human will still be wanted when you become something beyond human?

[Anonymous No.11541978]

>>11540695
>until the sun burns out
Pfft, amateurs. Try to survive beyond the stellar epoch into the deep time. A posthuman civlization could outlive the black hole era and ride into oblivion after all matter has decayed.

[Anonymous No.11541991]

>>11541978
Unlikely, science has slowed down quite a bit even though we have been funneling more money than ever into science. Its likely that there is a limit to what we can achieve through technology and we are coming close to it.

[Anonymous No.11541999]

>>11541859
>>11541912
>>11541936
>>11541939
>>11541957
>>11541967
>>11541969
>>11541975
>>11541978
It is not computationally possible to convert your brain into another substrate.

[Anonymous No.11542000]

>>11541967
(Libertarian) free will is an ill-defined concept imo. I don’t even know how to coherently describe it.
And compatibilists are just redefining the term as freedom from external constraints/ freedom to act in accordance with your inherent nature.

[Anonymous No.11542033]

>>11541999
Transhumanists will either not believe you or they will claim that some technology in the future will allow us to achieve their goal. Its not much different from a religion, they have a religious belief that magic technology will save them.

[Anonymous No.11542036]

>>11521454
>state
gtfo
only social darwinism

[Anonymous No.11542058]

>>11541975
Even posthuman minds have to bend to axioms. Simply as a result of being product of natural selection, our perceptions of the world and the ideas they have as a result of those perceptions is inherently limited by our evolutionary path and the resulting biology.
The transformation to a posthuman entity will fundamentally change one`s being. But one is the acre from which the posthuman mind blossoms and as such one`s interest is the posthuman`s beginning. In time nothing of it will be left, but internally that process will be understood. All-seeing, non-feeling.

[Anonymous No.11542059]

>>11541991
I call bullshit on that. We are in a constant state of singularity as we don't even notice anymore how unpredictable our science would be for previous generation.
We just roll with it and act surprised we still don't have commercially available rocket boots.

Also what's slowing us down is politic and capitalism, because the first is forced to put regulation everywhere so the 2nd don't enslave the majority for the benefit of a few.
You won't get your utopian future where everyone is immortal with improved intellect and bodies before you get rid of the one who will lobby to have ownership of anything you own, do and think.

See >>11534375

[Anonymous No.11542064]

>>11541999
see >>11522954
To explain the gradual mind upload a bit better: There might exist two methods for it the Gradual neuron replacement and the Mind Shift.

Gradual neuron replacement occurs over a prolonged period of time, as the individual neurons of the sophont's mind are replaced one by one by functionally-equivalent devices. The brain continues to operate throughout the process, and if carried out correctly, the subject will experience no discontinuity as one’s brain slowly becomes replaced by electronic components.


The Mind Shift utilizes external hardware and software connected directly and indirectly to the user's brain to allow a slow transfer of consciousness out of the biological substrate and into external databases. This could allow the user to "outsource" much of one's mentality and memory storage to external substrates which were separate from the sophont's own brain, until finally most of the sophont's thoughts, perceptions, memories, identity, etc. take place outside and away from the mass of grey matter the sophont initially came equipped with. The external hardware which gradually comes to hold more and more of the individual's personality is known as the exocortex, while the software which runs on this equipment is known as the Exoself. It could be possible to transfer bi-directionally most of a biont's extended consciousness by this method, since many of the most competent processes of intellect now occur outside the skull in the exocortex.
The problem would be that you would have to revist every singular part of your mind in a total manner, such a task can only be accomplished if you have total self-awareness (autosentience).

[Anonymous No.11542070]

>>11542036
state as in condition/situation/status.

[Anonymous No.11542087]

>>11542064
You don't understand, the general outline that you're giving and that the other post is describing isn't actually real or a valid proof of possibility. You are NOT ACTUALLY DESCRIBING THE MATHEMATICAL OR COMPUTATIONAL METHOD IN WHICH YOU WOULD PERFORM THESE OPERATIONS. You posts are, objectively, worthless.
When you study ACTUAL math and computation, you realize this is not possible and any method unto which you actually start attempting to do transfer an information substrate with 2^100000000000 bits inside it, all of which are running on a moravac process which is non-deterministic, become uncomputable. It is not possible, it violates all laws of computation and the no cloning theorem.

[Anonymous No.11542097]

Has anyone looked into this new Geometric Unity theory from Mr. Weinstein? He was on Rogan explaining it... what I understood is, he wants to go back to Einstein and pave a new way by 'geometrizing' it all in a different way, via a 14-dimensional construct and some self-reference loop? Is it woo woo?

Pic. related. Mr. Weinstein with another decorated Scholar.

[Anonymous No.11542101]

>>11542059
You can look it up. Science was booming in the 20th century, now its petering out.

[Anonymous No.11542107]

>>11542087
>You dont understand, the process is just like replacing parts of a car. Each part is slowly replaced with a new part until you get a brand new car.

This is how transhumanies think

[Anonymous No.11542117]

>>11542087
To extrapolate on this, what you are doing is no different from someone going "we can go faster than light. All we have to do is design an engine that we attach to a spacecraft that shoots faster than light, and then we will be faster than light. And from there, we will be able to colonize the galaxy, and ..." and from there the argument is made.
But when you actually start to study HOW you would build the engine that does this, you realize "no, wait, it isn't possible in the laws of physics to build an engine that will propel a spacecraft faster than light. This is not possible". This is what i"m saying in my posts. When you actually start to look at HOW YOU WOULD LITERALLY TRANSFER THE BITS you realize that the problem not computable. A literal superintelligence with the power of the whole galaxy still will not be able to do it as it is a computation that is so large that it's simply not possible.
>>11542107
There are literal proofs like the no cloning theorem that completely eliminate the possibility of mind transfer. It's even more extreme than what you describe, anon. I dont get these people.

[Anonymous No.11542241]

>>11542087
Neurogenesis is a thing and once we are able to hook up that process with artifical neurons, the moravec transfer is ready to go.

[Anonymous No.11542249]

>>11542241
Another non answer that doesn't work

[Anonymous No.11542269]

>>11542249
The brain is no static construct. Connecting artifical neurons with natural ones has already been made: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41 598-02 0-58831-9
While we are still far away from the Moravec process, it is in the realm of possibility. To compare it with FTL is disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.11542293]

>>11542101
Science doesn't have a metric to measure progression. If anything, the fact we put more money than ever in it should mean we are doing fine.
At least if we didn't waste far more money on new faster way to destroy our ecosystem first.

[Anonymous No.11542294]

>>11542101
Bullshit, we made massive progress in the last years. See our proof of gravitational waves and Higgs-Bosons.

[Anonymous No.11542880]

>>11541960

[Anonymous No.11543025]

>>11541953
Why not become a transhumanist then? Seems like a obvious choice for /sci/. Fuck the dirtlanders.

[Anonymous No.11543081]

>>11530422
Regenerative medicine is more promising than building substantially superior (than what we have now) replacement parts.
The technology worship cult is a way better focus than any other dogmatic belief system. If only there was some reliable method to which you could direct resources to scientific progress, but it always gets eaten up by useless stuff.

[Anonymous No.11543095]

>>11542087
Why doesn't this post have any ACTUAL math or computation?

[Anonymous No.11543443]

>>11529088
This

[Anonymous No.11543461]

>>11524233
Elaborate. Evolution is essentially just a massive simulation, that doesn't make it flawed.

[Anonymous No.11543903]

>>11541376
>>11540695
These wouldn't work because you are assuming that humans will always stay consistent about what they want and that they would want to remain satifised with an artificial eternity. Eventually some would break out for the simple desire of wanting more. They would want to experience something far more than any computer could ever give them. They would want to explore the infinity of space as it is the definitive reality and has could have things that BTFO your overrated simulators
>B-BUT IT'S SAFE!!! MUH THOUSAND BILLION LIFESPAN!!!
No one cares about about that stuff in the long term. Otherwise humans would've just stayed in Africa as it already has enough resources to keep them "safe"

[Anonymous No.11543978]

>>11543903
>Eventually some would break out for the simple desire of wanting more. They would want to experience something far more than any computer could ever give them.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

What a naive man. Reality will cure you from fantasy about colonization of space.

[Anonymous No.11543979]

>>11523679
As with any purely ideological they/we are very diverse. Some are nihilistic as depicted by the faith based ideologue. Many are absurdist, having concluded a meaningless existence yet striving to alter the existence as reasoned plausible. Others are deeply existential and as you depict are devoid of pessimism, seeing a path of "progress" that is evolutionary but now intentional.

As the OP depicts, some lack imagination and strive to create a low resolution continuation of consciousness. Thinking in black and white of "only"s.

Others are severely limited in their capacity of understanding the machinery of biology thinking that the binary procedural upload of themselves, would necessarily be a computational continuation of the computers that bring us together here today.

Others recognize significant variations and degrees of synthesis. Computation that is quantum based, parallel, biological, fractal, or any number of potential avenues that render us substrate independent. The mere externalization of thought that lasts longer than the original thinker is a life extension technology.

The critical technology to shift us away from binaries and limited frames of mind will be brain to computer information transfer technology.

I am using it now with a keyboard but we are quickly learning to read the mind and reduce the lag time of thought transference. That is typing/writing to reading, or speaking to hearing, or drawing visuals to eyes such as paintings or memes. Brain to computer to brain. It will enable us to coordinate discovery and research. Analyze with hypersubjectivity. Develop with the expertise of all that participate, focused on multiple tasks. Bearing human knowledge with higher fidelity than ever before.

This scares some, and is totally alien to others. Some may see it as competing with god. I assure you it doesn't matter. "progress" is inevitable. Technology is the very thing you run on, techne-logia. art/Craft-divined/word

[Anonymous No.11544002]

>>11541859

>Everything you love doing as a human could seem insignificant as a robot, as a matter of fact, everything could seem insignificant as a robot.

If that's the case, then whatever 'become a robot' procedure occurred was a shitty fucking job.

We KNOW that our minds are complex mazes of impulses, reacting not only to simple external stimuli, but internal chemistry. We know that all of these complex interactions result in generally beneficial behavior; we LOATHE being bored, as it would be detrimental to our survival if we didn't. We know that bacteria in our guts affects our desires and behavior. We know that we have multiple layers to our brains, with the cerebral cortex battling the limbic system or rationalizing its actions.

Any process to 'become a robot' would need to keep all of these in mind and, at the very least, reasonably simulate them if the robot you've become can reasonably said to be 'you'. Anyone who's not a fucking idiot knows this.

Posts like yours, though, are clearly based on ignorance and possibly some sci-fi movies. Spouting nonsense like "hurr but what if it's different when you're a robot? You're shallow if you think it'll be the same!" Being the same is the fucking point! Being the same is part of the design, which needs to account for all of these basic bits of information that I could think of off the top of my head! If it's not the same, then it's a failure!

You're so Goddamn stupid, acting as if there are predetermined factors involved in what the perspective of living as a 'robot' would be like. Our most brilliant minds can't yet make a robot that imitates basic human speech well enough to have even a BRIEF conversation, and you think you know what it would be like to BE a robot? Go fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.11544107]

>>11543903
The thing about the second case is that humans achieved infinity there already.

[Anonymous No.11544284]

Is that Roko`s Basilisk?

[Anonymous No.11544314]

>>11543979
Is that Roko`s Basilisk?

[Anonymous No.11544602]

>>11543978
Cope schizo. The human race is driven by green. Not contentment. You live over twice as long as the average man 50000 years ago, have over 1000 times tbe technology, and have one billion times more of an understanding of the universe. Yet you still, like every other man, still dream about wanting more and complain about what you dont have. Even if you and your ancestors had all the pleasure on earth, your children would just grow entitled to the new normal and end up wanting to search the universe for more. The human race cannot be contained like animals as humans want to know everything about the universe. Not just your overrated VR simulator.
>>11544107
If humans achieved infinity, they would begin to search for infinity plus one after 5 years.

[Anonymous No.11544611]

>>11542269
The page doesn't exist, could you link again?

[Anonymous No.11544658]

>>11544602
>The human race is driven by green
Onions green is people!

[Anonymous No.11544675]

Guys how do you get over not being born Ashkenazi? I'll always be a brainlet in this world as long as they exist.

Also IQ increasing treatments fucking WHEN?

[Anonymous No.11544789]

>>11544675
real shit, I score the slightly above average and I still don't have enough clarity. IQ increasing treatments should be prioritized in scientific research

[Anonymous No.11544801]

>>11544789
>>11544675
they won't be prioritized because they are impossible. IQ is set very early on in development

[Anonymous No.11544820]

>>11544801

This is an oversimplification, and having a so called "fixed view" of intelligence like that instead of a "growth mindset" is very detrimental to one's ability to persevere when studies become difficult.

[Anonymous No.11544854]

>>11544801
>IQ is set very early on development
Actually, IQ is very susceptible to change through puberty.
https://psychcentral.com/news/2011/10/21/iq-can-significantly-change-during-adolescence/30587.html

[Anonymous No.11544872]

I also had a big spurt in intelligence during my puberty, but I was a 90-100 IQ kid nonetheless, so that's what leads to 110-120 IQ.

[Anonymous No.11544874]

>>11521454
Transhumanism already exists, people already use technology to improve their lives

Pic related

[Anonymous No.11544881]

>>11544314
You recognize that?! O.o yes it is.

[Anonymous No.11544888]

>>11544874
I'm personally a cyborg with swappable eye's augmentation that allow me to see far further than I would be able on my own.

(yes, I wear glasses)

[Anonymous No.11544899]

>>11544820
cope, growth mindset is trash, carol can eat a dwyck

>>11544854
wrong, that's the wilson effect, your IQ is just becoming more like what your genes determined it to be as you near adulthood

in awe of the size of these copes, just massive

[Anonymous No.11544906]

>>11544899

Have you graduated from a top university?

I can personally attest to the difference that a growth mindset makes in a person, considering the impostor syndrome I had as a freshman went away once I realised that I just had to learn to study properly.

[Anonymous No.11544928]

>>11544899
not actually coping if you read my posts
Also, keep quoting shit without knowing it
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/twin-research-and-human-genetics/article/wilson-effect-the-increase-in-heritability-of-iq-with-age/FF406CC4CF286D78AF72C9E7EF9B5E3F

[Anonymous No.11544935]

>>11544658
Reddit pls leave.

[Anonymous No.11544947]

>>11544675
>Also IQ increasing treatments fucking WHEN?
10-20 years - Neurallink, Nanosymbionts and your kids may get CRISPER'd to become a +200 IQ chad

[Anonymous No.11544953]

>>11541953
You and I won't have the resources to buy into it.

[Anonymous No.11544962]

>>11544947
>Neuralink
We should all know that with/without Musk getting chipped isn't a good solution
>Nanosymbionts
Same problem
>CRISPR
Now we're getting somewhere. Put the mutations that we want happening to humanity in a virus and just spread it (in hopes we can make our body not "fight" it)

[Anonymous No.11544994]

>>11544962
>Same problem
Not really. Nanosymbionts are just synthetic bacteria.

[Anonymous No.11545239]

>>11544002
Here here!

[Anonymous No.11545971]

>>11544874

[Anonymous No.11546176]

>>11543978
Once we can make money out of space (asteroid mining, H-3 mining, the construction of space-based solar power, space habitats, industry space stations), you bet we will go there.

[Anonymous No.11546387]

>>11541844
> anyone who thinks studying the brain will find specific conceptualizations
It's really not that complicated. If you had bothered to open the rest of the neuroscience dossiers you would know. Although not consistent throughout, some brains really are "Copy/Paste".

[Anonymous No.11546413]

>>11522135
>calling somebody else stupid when he believes in God
Kek

[Anonymous No.11546460]

>>11546413
>calling someone else stupid when he doesn't believe in God
Kek

[Anonymous No.11546592]

>>11522954
>I don't think that you are a professor because then you would have known about the achievement in neurotech that happenend last month
what happened?

[Anonymous No.11546660]

>>11543979
High iq post

[Anonymous No.11546668]

>>11541999
>It is not computationally possible to convert your brain into another substrate.
what you claim could only be true if we, somehow, had literal quantum souls: a continually evolving quantum computer that computes everything, a separate mind that rules over the body.
Nothing points to this direction. At best, we utilize ephemeral quantum computation, with memories (including non-conscious ones) remaining purely classical. Thus, the no-cloning theorem doesn't apply.
Any classical computation is isomorphic to a digital structure, because noise is dealt with by bounding analog states into discrete ones. Which means even in the pure bruteforce approach, it's possible to copy a human mind by rapidly vitrifying the entire body, scanning it atom by atom, then simulating the resulting structure in a quantum computer (needed to simulate chemical reactions efficiently). Although the real complexity of computation per one neuron is definitely orders of magnitude smaller, it would be equivalent to emulating a console by simulating its physical cpu on an atomic level, as opposed to just making an instruction interpreter.

If we had quantum souls we would never lose memory or change personalities in response to physical changes in the brain.

[Anonymous No.11546858]

>>11521492
based desu

[Anonymous No.11547274]

>>11546592
A link-up of artificial and natural neurons.

[Anonymous No.11547426]

>>11544602
>If humans achieved infinity, they would begin to search for infinity plus one after 5 years.
First, I doubt that humanity could ever achieve infinity. Second, if we really could achieve infinity there is no coming back from it, infinity is not a number.

[Anonymous No.11547580]

>>11542101

[Anonymous No.11547596]

>>11546668
It has nothing to do with quantum structures, it is impossible even if we assume the brain is purely classical.
>>11547274
This is not nearly as groundbreaking as you're claiming and it doesn't solve the problem nor does it help solve the problem

[Anonymous No.11547791]

>>11532249
Yes, not the modifications per se, but how he did was wrong.

[Anonymous No.11548203]

>>11532249
The corresponding ethical issues of genetic engineering are complex and deserve serious attention in what may be a relatively short interval before these capabilities become a reality. Each society will decide for itself where to draw the line on human genetic engineering, but we can expect a diversity of perspectives. Almost certainly, some countries will allow genetic engineering, thereby opening the door for global elites who can afford to travel for access to reproductive technology. As with most technologies, the rich and powerful will be the first beneficiaries. Eventually, though, I believe many countries will not only legalize human genetic engineering, but even make it a (voluntary) part of their national healthcare systems. The alternative would be inequality of a kind never before experienced in human history. I believe that in the end all will benefit from such universal program, guaranteeing everyone being born healthy, fit and intelligent. The question is for what should we use genetic engineering, and I refer to that the question that we should only augment the potential towards non-positional traits.
A positional good benefits you only because others lack it. Height may be an advantage in men, but if everybody were three inches taller, nobody would be better off. Attractiveness may be another example of a positional good. A gain for one person implies a relative loss for others. I would contrast that with a trait like health. Your life is better when you are healthy, even if others are also healthy. Cognitive enhancements are a complex topic, but they have aspects that are intrinsically valuable. It is good if we can understand the world better. Arguments against positional goods are no arguments against enhancements as such.

[Anonymous No.11548216]

>>11548203
That's the funny thing, everyones all about that communism and wealth redistribution but as soon as you try to apply it to a field wherein value is actually fixed like genetics suddenly it's a big fat taboo.

[Anonymous No.11549103]

>>11539243

[Anonymous No.11549346]

>>11547596
>it is impossible even if we assume the brain is purely classical.
no it's not, just vitrify the body and scan it atom by atom
but almost certainly an easier procedure is possible, like sequencing dna used by neurons for memory storage

[Anonymous No.11549811]

bump

[Anonymous No.11550442]

>>11547596
That is an assertion with no supporting premise. As with any discovery, the lack of understanding or knowing it is not evidence against it.

[Anonymous No.11551135]

>>11524196
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(16)31664-6?_returnURL=http%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0092867416316646%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

[Anonymous No.11551572]

>>11549346
If I shoot you in the heart and you die the atomic structure and pattern of atoms in your brain is exactly the same as is was when you are alive. It's not about the atomic structure but the patterns of computation that are being performed, and solving this is provable not polynomial and thus impossible regardless of how intelligent a super intelligence is (which is itself not nearly as high as you probably think).
>>11550442
There is a litany of supporting evidence. We do know how this works and we know that it involved non polynomial computation.

[Anonymous No.11551585]

>>11522814
There is no such thing as 'computational intractability'.

[Anonymous No.11551601]

>>11551572
I call bullshit, source?

[Anonymous No.11551640]

Only dumb zoomers and second-rate scifi writers think living longer is something inherently good. Ask any really old person how much they really want to live and they will tell you they are bored, have seen everything, dont fear death and are actually looking forward to dying. Its called eternal rest for a reason

[Anonymous No.11551757]

>>11544874
by this definition, every time i eat im a transhuman because the nutrients are coopted into my body from a different organism.

stop moving the goal post

[Anonymous No.11552649]

>>11534375
The end state of capitalist automation is (nearly) free everything. In a universe with effectively infinite resources and cost of labor at near 0 through automation, basic goods will cost virtually nothing. The economics are then forced to shift toward things that cannot be automated. Usually this is supposed to be art and entertainment, but I personally suspect a large amount of that can be automated, formulaic sitcoms are pretty popular. Automation also creates issues for corporate structures, since an algorithm is likely going to be a better CEO than one with flesh and blood, plus code is easily copied and replicated, making industry dominance a case of resource allocation more than skill or knowledge. The result being an overall flattening of competition and specialization, the end result being you can get anything from any of the corporate structures still existing for basically the same price.

The masses who can't create would likely get by fine, since things cost so little to produce, selling basic information about themselves, the same information you agree to sell to get access to Facebook, would probably be enough to get by on.
Obviously this isn't a real utopia. With so little incentive to create and invent, things stagnate. Privacy is largely a thing of the past. With little incentive to work, primary education appears less and less necessary, leading to concentration of knowledge in only a few hands.

[Anonymous No.11552740]

>>11552649
>The end state of capitalist automation is (nearly) free everything.

You know, I hear this a lot but this guy disagrees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc_nLK4ji_k

[Anonymous No.11552757]

Genetic engineering is gonna be awesome.

[Anonymous No.11552764]

>>11521454
Yea, but can we still coom

[Anonymous No.11552766]

>>11523679
they are nihilists at their very core.
>bro life is meaningless unless you live forever
>lets chase living forever and ignore life in the process

Cringe.

[Anonymous No.11553745]

>>11552649
It's not,
You'd have to remove perpetual property for a start or enforce some silly anti-monopoly measure, else everything will slowly belong to the (eventually immortal) person who own all the robots and automated factories.
Alternatively, you could consider it "free" because the one who own everything may not care to keep everyone else alive, thus everything is free for him.

"Capitalism" is a Paperclip Maximizer scenario centered around the wealth of a single entity. Unless every humans being are made part of that entity, it doesn't have to care about you.
States and Democracy were created to be that system you belong to and "have" to care about you, but they are becoming nothing but the private police of Multinational corporations.

Consider the following:
If you had intelligent robot catering to all of your needs and didn't even need other human to satisfy you intellectually anymore. Only a (hypothetical) remnant of social instinct or laws, "forcing you to pay to feed parasite" as ancap would say, might have you care/give/sell stuff for other being.

>the same information you agree to sell to get access to Facebook
>you agree to
That's a good joke anon,
We both know they'd take the information wether or not you know/agree about it and that information is only used for your own good if it happen to make a profit for shareholders. Else it will be used against you and to keep you from doing anything about that.

I can't wait for the new Apple product iMindcontrol chip that everyone will buy because "it's Apple" and which PASSIVELY make Apple product look better and come with a ToS that allow them to disconnect your brain if you damage Intellectual Property.

so basically >>11534375 video

[Anonymous No.11553972]

>>11551640
Living longer is as good or bad as one decides. Most old people would like to live longer, but not suffer more from the ailments of age. If one could grant youth and health forever, one need not to worry about having seen everything, because there exists far more to know than one could imagine. Leonard Da Vinci, Goethe and other all wished for more years, to know more, for new strength.
>Its called eternal rest for a reason
Death is no rest, but oblivion.

[Anonymous No.11554385]

>>11551585
Cope
>>11551601
I already posted many sources and there are many more

[Anonymous No.11554395]

>>11535258
haha you're weak

[Anonymous No.11554463]

>>11554385
You posted none, you only made assumptions, "professor".

[Anonymous No.11554476]

>>11554463
I never said I was a professor, I'm a graduate student. Where did you get this?
Also it turns out it was the other thread I posted the research, I'll link to it:
>>11551301
Read through that thread to understand why you're wrong and a coping midwit

[Anonymous No.11554486]

>>11554476
Now you got sources.

[Anonymous No.11554649]

>>11552649
>The end state of capitalist automation is (nearly) free everything.
Houses on Malibu Beach will always be scarce anon.

[Anonymous No.11554672]

>>11521454
>Adeptus Incelicus at it again
Someone needs to be taught another lesson