/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11502090]

>Chinese number's haven't changed since the end of February.
What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.11502111]

>>11502090
They literally locked down entire cities and shut down everything. You could even see the cities' industrial co2 output drop from satellite images. The same thing can't happen in Italy.

What I'm suspicious of more are the German numbers(playing some game here), French numbers (not counting deaths from nurseries/not testing), and US (not testing). Most of East Asian countries mainly has it under control now due to their various mandatory lockdowns.

[Anonymous No.11502463]

>>11502111
nice trips, chang.

[Anonymous No.11502468]

>>11502090
They are probably executing people at sight to keep it under control, there are more than 1 Billion chinks to sweep under the rug before it gets ugly

[Anonymous No.11502475]

The chinks are fudging the numbers to look good to their people and international peers. Sick people will be diagnosed with something else. Medical staff will be watched, threatened, and vanished.

[Anonymous No.11502476]

>>11502111
according to kraut friends they must be severely underreporting everything

[Anonymous No.11502505]

>>11502111
at one point 10% of the world's population was locked down

[Anonymous No.11502510]

>>11502475
cope amerifat
your Easter churchpacking will end in a bloodbath

[Anonymous No.11502534]

>>11502090

They're lying, there's at 40k cases that weren't included in the current estimate.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200323_37/amp.html

https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3076323/third-coronavirus-cases-may-be-silent-carriers-classified

>More than 43,000 people in China had tested positive for Covid-19 by the end of February but had no immediate symptoms, a condition typically known as asymptomatic, according to the data. They were placed in quarantine and monitored but were not included in the official tally of confirmed cases, which stood at about 80,000 at the time.

I'm more apt to believe the death count in China is under reported too. More than likely at least 6-7k total are dead there but not advertised.

[Anonymous No.11502543]

>>11502111
>They literally locked down entire cities and shut down everything.
Wish the west would do the same, then we'd be over with this crap in two months max.

Germany is in the late game. Deaths will rise up quickly soon, US and Italy stopped testing, so no real info to be gained there. Don't know about France.

Isn't China afraid of a second wave? Especially when borders are open again?

[Anonymous No.11502567]

>>11502534
>40k cases
big fucking deal
outside china, that's how many new infections happened in the last 24h

[Anonymous No.11502607]

>>11502090

They have been using malaria drugs, antibiotics, and zinc drug cocktails to stop inflammation, secondary infections, and virus replication to allow for the immune system to kill the virus without side effects. It's been a best practice for treatment in east asia for a couple months now (which is why I am baffled why some governors are banning doctors from using it).

[Anonymous No.11502628]

>>11502567

Keep seething anon, the fact is China isn't being upfront with their stats. And considering they've been secretive concerning this entire event it's safe to assume they are doing a significant amount of lying.

The total cases, total deaths, how much it's spread, the fallout and how the coronavirus even came to be. All of it is suspect and China won't be able to convince the world otherwise. They did themselves a huge disservice.

[Anonymous No.11502640]

>>11502628
>seething
it's peanuts, unlike your golden calf's shitshow
that's unraveling
your post is a pathetic attempt to deflect attention from the biggest culling of americans in a century

[Anonymous No.11502662]

I don't believe anything the CCP puts out. Everything is all about face and deceit there.

[Anonymous No.11502668]

>>11502111
China's lying to the fucking moon.

[Anonymous No.11503494]

>>11502668
The point is, if China's is lying, then the western states like German/France/US are creating entire universes out of fiction and living in fantasy world.

[Anonymous No.11503529]

>>11503494

US is increasing the testing everyday you fucking Chinese shill.

[Anonymous No.11503530]

>>11502668
What's the point? People said they lied about their initial numbers but everything we've seen in other countries this past month confirms the rate of cases they reported was correct. "China lied" is a cope the western leaders use to defend their incompetence, despite the warning being there since early January.

[Anonymous No.11503533]

>>11502510
Not him and not an Amerifat but you need to go back to your homeland Chang.

[Anonymous No.11503537]

>>11503530

They lied about human to human infection you fucking shill

[Anonymous No.11503546]

>>11503530
No it doesn't, for fuck sake. Stop lying out your ass. Iran, Italy, Spain, the US, and UK show sustained exponential growth over several weeks. China's basically rushed to flatline and they have reported hardly any cases or deaths for the past month, even though they report having started lifting quarantine measures weeks ago.

[Anonymous No.11503562]

I feel like China acted very quickly, barracading people inside who left their houses. Already practicing social distancing and forcing people to wear masks. Leaving 90%+ of people participating in social distancing. Menaining the pandemic is likely to have be in control within 1 - 3 months (Feb - April). China still has traffic restriction in Wuhan until April and pic related is a study that was created in Sydney about the amount of people who need to participate in social distancing to slow or prevent this pandemic.
Seeing videos of China during the Wuhan epidemic would be deemed unethical by first worlder standards though.
But it is embarassing seeing the amount of tightly packed people rushing around the mall today with no masks on. People were hanging around mall sushi shops and coffee shops. Maybe 5% of the people I saw had face masks on.
Hundreds of people also just casually going by their day. Although I did get told to fuck off by some old lady because I go too close to her.

[Anonymous No.11503573]

>>11503546
The early exponential growth checks out, I don't know what you're talking about.
Also if their recent report data is a lie, with all the draconian measures in place, it's fucking GAME OVER at that point for the world. Like even if China can't contain it, how can the western countries do?
If the Chinese can't be trusted, why didn't western leaders look at this problem independently, instead of taking every word from China as granted? They are either lazy or completely stupid, in both cases none of the fault is of China.

[Anonymous No.11503575]

>>11502090
The guy who was uploading the numbers, is dead.

[Anonymous No.11503581]

>Can hear sirens 24/7
>Krauts claim everything is fine and life will get back to normal stat

[Anonymous No.11503592]

>>11502090
cant have new cases if you're not testing
>thinking_nigger_man.png

[Anonymous No.11503667]

i wonder why
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfsdJGj3-jM
yeah they are probably lying, the US is taking more precautions and the numbers are still growing exponentially. i wonder why

[Anonymous No.11503690]

>>11503667
I can't see more liberty minded westerners being able to conform to such strict controls, especially not Americans. It appears to be working though in any case if this video is accurately reflecting what's happening in China right now.

[Anonymous No.11503695]

>>11503573

>If the Chinese can't be trusted, why didn't western leaders look at this problem independently, instead of taking every word from China as granted?

Because some information even if ultimately faulty is better than none you shill. The pandemic started in China so it makes sense to gather as much info on what occurred there as possible. Especially since they manufacture so much products and Covid-19 has a long life span on various surfaces.

The truth is no one really trusted what the Chinese said the moment it was realized they sat on information concerning the coronavirus. But again you don't reject the info given to you even if faulty. Valuable pieces of info can still be extracted from it.

[Anonymous No.11503698]

>>11503533
great argument, bubba

[Anonymous No.11503701]

>>11503698
Just as good as yours bud.

[Anonymous No.11503733]

>>11502111
>They literally locked down entire cities and shut down everything.
Shutting down Wuhan isn't enough to stop the fucking virus entirely. The 1 week asymptomatic period and 2.5r0 make those numbers literally impossible even if they locked down the ENTIRE 1.5 billion person country because there is no fucking way they have the manpower to do that all at once

[Anonymous No.11503761]

>>11502628
what do you think about South Korean numbers /pol/sucker?

[Anonymous No.11503786]

>>11503761
>he didn't hear how the jews teamed up with china in the supreme jew-lizard-batchink alliance to lie about numbers in all countries
lmao at u

[Anonymous No.11503791]

>>11503695
Nigga, the information hasn't really changed since late January. That thing was in Japan and Korea by then. We had pretty good idea what we were facing, and while Japan and Korea took measures immediately, the west was sitting on their ass. Details of how the virus properties were not known initially, because imagine this concept: it's a novel strain of the coronavirus. You don't put this thing under a microscope and an hour later you have a complete idea what it is. It's not just China that stumped the spread, but I guess the other asian countries are lying as well.

[Anonymous No.11503797]

>>11502111
Stop eating bat chang

[Anonymous No.11503849]

>>11503761
>If he doesn't think China is lying it then that must mean he's from /pol/

[Anonymous No.11503884]

>>11503701
not even close
packing churches on Easter is ubiquitously condemned
It's Jonestown tier insane

[Anonymous No.11503897]

>>11503884
Who are you arguing against? I don't recall anyone ITT taking the opposite view of this.

[Anonymous No.11503944]

>>11502111
>>11502510
>>11503698
>>11503884
>50 yuan has been deposited into your account

[Anonymous No.11503953]

>>11503944
When you kiss Putin's ass, do you aim at the cheeks or go for the hole?

[Anonymous No.11504156]

>>11502111
Germany has tested 400k so far, mostly asymptomatic and is expanding testing from 160k per week last week to 300k per week. Italy only tested hospitalized cases and probably didn't catch a much larger number of mild cases. Relative lethality is really low.

[Anonymous No.11504177]

>>11502111
There are thousands of people lying dead in their homes across Asia

[Anonymous No.11504182]

>>11503690
There are tons of retards on America right now who think it’s all fake or that if they catch it it will just be like a mild cold.
We are doomed

[Anonymous No.11504195]

>>11502090
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-24/china-s-hidden-symptom-free-virus-cases-means-epidemic-not-over
>China’s exclusion of people without symptoms from its official count of confirmed coronavirus cases is renewing concerns over whether its outbreak has truly come under control.

[Anonymous No.11504201]

>>11504195
>Many disease experts are calling China's claim that it has not had a single domestic case of Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) in days, especially since it has left 43,000 asymptomatic cases out of its tallies.

[Anonymous No.11504203]

>>11504201
https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1516240-20200323.htm
>Wuhan authorities have already closed the 10 or so temporary hospitals that were set up after regular ones came inundated with patients. The temporary facilities were doing tests on people showing mild symptoms.

>Officials say these tests are not needed as the number of new infections has fallen sharply.

>But a Wuhan resident, who gave his surname as Wan, disputed this claim. He said that his 70-year-old mother suffered from pneumonia once again after she was discharged from hospital and is now in isolation at a hotel.

>He said no hospitals were prepared to admit her because she wasn't tested positive.

>He said there is nothing much he can do because he can't leave his home as a lockdown is still in force, and local health authorities only told him to wait.

>"I feel helpless," he said.

I wonder why China's numbers aren't rising...

[Anonymous No.11504249]

>>11502111
Chinkoid shills are so obvious it reads like a /pol/ parody

[Anonymous No.11505038]

>>11502090
The CCP doesn't want you to know about the 5+ million corpses they had to bury because it would be an embarrassment and could permanently trash their reputation

[Anonymous No.11505065]

>>11502543
>US and Italy stopped testing
I'm in Southern California and I can tell you that some hospitals are testing every single person admitted. It doesn't matter why the person is admitted to the hospital, it could be for appendicitis, but they are getting a test.

[Anonymous No.11505074]

>>11503849
Answer the question fucktard given the similarities and massive authoritarian shitdown of entire cities.
The onus of proof is on you and your claim. I haven't claimed anything, all I asked was "do you fucking believe the South Korean numbers which are essentially the same you dumb underage piece of shit animefag?'

Answer.The.Fucking.Question

[Anonymous No.11505109]

>>11502090
I'm not a conspiracytard, but this must be a classic "China being shady" episode

[Anonymous No.11505114]

>>11505074

>show evidence that China isn't being truthful about coronavirus cases
>strawman with what about South Korea though?

[Anonymous No.11505119]

>>11504177
proof?

[Anonymous No.11505127]

>>11505065
yeah, US has considerably ramped up testing in the last couple days

[Anonymous No.11505130]

>>11505114
It's textbook whataboutism, a commie shill tactic.

[Anonymous No.11505137]

they may be lying but how are you going to hide the same critical situation as, say in new york? their media would have leaked the horrors. how can you hide overcrowded hospitals and millions of corpses? doesnt seem possible

[Anonymous No.11505147]

>>11505137
Chinese media is state run and they kicked out all foreign reporters a month ago

[Anonymous No.11505152]

>>11505127
I think the USA is now at the highest average tests per day of any country. Sure would have been nice if they had been testing at this rate a month ago.

[Anonymous No.11505175]

>>11502668
>I trusted you China

[Anonymous No.11505199]

>>11505147
Why did they expel foreign reporters? Any official excuse? Also. ALL reporters? Or just tit for tat cause Trump called some of their reporters in the US Chinese spies?

[Anonymous No.11505207]

>>11502640
>the biggest culling of americans in a century
Boomers*
And no, that's heart disease and cancer

[Anonymous No.11505210]

china stronk
ccp stronk

[Anonymous No.11505211]

>>11505152

Can't be help, have to convince le orange man that the virus isn't a liberal hoax. Even though you know his senate intel chief literally sold stocks last month because he knew shit was going to hit the fan. On top of trusted allies like Japan shutting down schools nationwide in anticipation of the virus.

[Anonymous No.11505215]

>>11503592
Kek

[Anonymous No.11505218]

>>11502111

[Anonymous No.11505224]

Any chanxr of wavr 2? Plz, I wanna witness a new plague and gerontocide. Have been going around crowded places, but all I got is just a lame regular cold.

[Anonymous No.11505226]

>>11503953
Both

[Anonymous No.11505232]

>>11505224
There will be another admitted outbreak in china that they will blame on foreigners bringing it in because they have already conquered it :^)
Screencap this post

[Anonymous No.11505250]

>>11505232
They're already laying the groundwork for that new lie.

[Anonymous No.11505354]

>>11505207
>heart disease and cancer
who cares, those aren't contagious

[Anonymous No.11505360]

>>11505232
a few dozen cases every now and then, nothing that they can't nip in the bud

[Anonymous No.11505375]

Fuck Chinks. I hope coronavirus wipes them out. Fuck them for poisoning our products and shipping fentanyl here.

[Anonymous No.11505393]

>>11505375
kek
for china this was a mere speed bump
we'll see if u.s. is even a nation anymore after thid year

[Anonymous No.11505397]

>>11505375
kek
for china this was a mere speed bump
we'll see if u.s. is even a nation anymore after this year

[Anonymous No.11505403]

>>11505393
>>11505397
lol, faggot

[Anonymous No.11505428]

>>11502090
They realized that if they shut down for a year everyone would start divesting. Consequently, they used authoritarian magic to vanish the issue and kill anyone who tries to let the cat out of the bag. There's a reason why they kicked out a fuckload of foreign media and why every whistleblower is mysteriously dying of covid or vanishing off the face of the Earth.

[Anonymous No.11505441]

>>11502628

https://archive.is/VxlBI

its an escaped SARS vaccine. we should unironically go to war with the Chinese government.

[Anonymous No.11505467]

>>11505130

whataboutism is a leftist buzzword

[Anonymous No.11505468]

>>11505441
fuck off back to >>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.11505474]

>>11505210

nuke the chinks

[Anonymous No.11505490]

>>11505468

not an argument

https://archive.is/VxlBI

[Anonymous No.11505570]

>>11505210
Lamo

[Anonymous No.11505577]

>>11505441
>screencap
Not reading that tinfoil ju shit nigga
>inb4 not an argument
Your batshit, tinfoil, look-at-this-infograph, schizophrenic, paranoid, incelposting doesn't constitute a solid argument either

[Anonymous No.11505903]

>>11503581
Where are you? It's pretty calm here for the moment, although there's 260 confirmed in this city or something. Also, don't reply in G*rman. By the way, do you know if the numbers are fudged?

[Anonymous No.11506252]

>>11505467
>Cold War term coined by Conservative Soviet Union critics
>leftist buzzword
Neck yourself.

[Anonymous No.11506255]

>>11504177
Man, good to know we've got a psychic who can look at the thousands of rotting corpses in Asia through some out of body experience. Terrific!

[Anonymous No.11506288]

Nuke China. The world's at the mercy of fucking subhumans who eat bats. Small, microdicked manlets with the mental capacity of a cockroach, who can barely speak and don't know how to read, fucking peasants. NUKE CHINA

[Anonymous No.11506319]

>>11503562
> I did get told to fuck off by some old lady because I got too close to her
>based

[Anonymous No.11506741]

>>11506252
Is this your picture?

[Anonymous No.11506765]

>>11505119
>>11506255
Proof: 21+ million anomalous cancelled mobile phone accounts. We all know these numbers are tied to the State IDs given by China, and changing them is as onerous as trying to change your Social Security Number, and trying to do without one is like trying to live without cash, credit or debit cards.

[Anonymous No.11506838]

>>11506255
Literally this book.

[Anonymous No.11506840]

>>11502090
HMMMMMMMM IT'S ALMOST AS IF THEY'RE LYING ABOUT THE NUMBERS LIKE EVERYONE HAS BEEN SAYING SINCE JANUARY!

[Anonymous No.11506841]

>>11503849
They're retards basically.
>muh pol! pooooooooooooool!
They sound like deranged lunatics.

[Anonymous No.11506851]

>>11506741
run along little redneck, or you'll miss your banjo duel

[Anonymous No.11506864]

>>11505152
>a month ago
are you fucking retarded
Lets just magic, tests out of thin air fucking rerard. It doesn't help that china has sent out 600,000 faulty test kits fucking chigger

[Anonymous No.11506867]

>>11505211
>isnt a liberal hoax

show me where he said that retard, people like you unironically need to be shot for lying so blatantly

[Anonymous No.11506889]

>>11506765
Thats not proof. US stock crashed. To 1/3 of value. We didn't lose 2/3 of our population.

[Anonymous No.11506890]

>>11506864
>are you fucking retarded
>Lets just magic, tests out of thin air fucking rerard.
I think you might be. We were a month behind in testing because the CDC wanted to create their own test rather than using the WHO's, and then there were problems with the test. It was ineptitude that caused the USA to fall so far behind in testing.

[Anonymous No.11506894]

>>11506851
>I-if he thinks I'm a retarded LARPing commie then that must mean he's a redneck. H-haha gottem.

[Anonymous No.11506897]

>>11506889
>US stock crashed.
The stock market isn't assigned to each person the same way everyone in China has a mobile account tied to their name. I agree that it isn't necessarily proof (I'm not the other anon), maybe they had to cancel plans due to lack of funds or something, but not having a phone in China is a really bad idea. It's an ominous sign if nothing else.

[Anonymous No.11506898]

>>11506889
US stock is a confidence game. It has almost nothing to do with human capital.

[Anonymous No.11506917]

>>11506894
>not denying

[Anonymous No.11506918]

>>11506897
Everything being shutdown, everything under lockdown, economy collapse are all related. China's new smartphone sales market collapsed by 40%. No new users = no new sign ups. Old users cancelling didn't stop, they increased due to no one having money to pay for the service under lock down.

Are people really retarded? Lockdowns/Shutdowns do not just affect people directly, they affect their economic actions indirectly.

[Anonymous No.11506935]

>>11506918
>Old users cancelling didn't stop, they increased due to no one having money to pay for the service under lock down.

That does not match consumer saving and spending habits in China. One thing the Chinese are good about is keeping a portion of their salaries as savings no matter what. They do not spend everything they have, and basically all of them have reserves.

[Anonymous No.11506940]

>>11506935
Do you know how many companies give out work lines to their employees?
How many professionals have two lines one for work one for personnel use

A lot of it was companies shutting down their work lines since they don't need to pay for them for 8 weeks.

Also no way in earth could China hide 19 million dead bodies

Go ask /pol/ about the math on cremating millions of bodies

[Anonymous No.11506941]

>>11506918
>No new users = no new sign ups.
Someone crunched these numbers, the lost users compared to expected sign-ups still differed by several million.

>Old users cancelling didn't stop
But this is where I think it's ominous, because you can't do anything in China without a cell phone. Public transportation, ID verification, and payment all require the use of a phone.

[Anonymous No.11506942]

>>11506941
Millions of people have multiple phone numbers you mongoloid

[Anonymous No.11506946]

>>11506935
People have savings in China, but that doesn't mean they'll spend it carelessly. In the case of using up savings, they'll be even more thrifty. Why pay for 5 smartphones for a family underlock down when you can get cancel 4 and keep 1? If someone in the family is tech saavy, they'll just hook up the phone and use it as wifi router for others in family to connect to.

[Anonymous No.11506950]

>>11506942
Not just multiple phones but multiple sim cards.

[Anonymous No.11506951]

>>11502111
>German numbers
They test around half a million people weekly.
I hate krauts but I think until now they were just lucky.

[Anonymous No.11506955]

>>11506951
I'm 95% sure Germans are playing some sort of game with their numbers. Every other European countries much smaller had much larger death rate.

[Anonymous No.11506957]

>>11506955
They are reporting corona deaths as deaths by pneumonia or death by heart attack

[Anonymous No.11506958]

>>11506955
Only have unreliable source of hearsay, live in a neighbouring country, but apparently they often count people who die of other things than the direct effects of Corona as someone who didn't die of Corona.
But I don't see the point of testing so many people and then lie about the rest. But then again, Germans are animals in terms of mentality and would probably panic buy immediately again.
Weird situation.

[Anonymous No.11506962]

>>11506942
They're all dead.

[Anonymous No.11506984]

>>11506958
>Only have unreliable source of hearsay, live in a neighbouring country, but apparently they often count people who die of other things than the direct effects of Corona as someone who didn't die of Corona.
Kind of the opposite of Italy then, who's being criticized for counting every COVID-19 related death as caused by COVID-19.

[Anonymous No.11507008]

>>11502534
>they’re lying
>I'm more apt to believe the death count in China is under reported too.
I now provide my baseless opinion without anything to back it up whatsoever

[Anonymous No.11507042]

>>11507008
>I now provide my baseless opinion without anything to back it up whatsoever
Um, leaked documentation showing that China has been accumulating cases and not counting them is a pretty good argument that their numbers can't be trusted.

[Anonymous No.11507048]

>>11506957
That is not what the RKI (official institute in germany responsible for dealing with epidemic outbreak) says. Three days ago on a press conference, that exact same question popped up and they stated that every patient, who dies after positively tested for COVID-19 is counted as a COVID-19 death.

I agree that the numbers look weird, but I attribute them to two factors:

1) Up until two days ago, they actually tested everyone regardless of symptoms as long as they demanded a test and had some reason to believe they were infected. Now they are prioritizing people who actually show symptoms. Thus their numbers were inflated by many asymptomatic carriers, who seem to be in no medical distress. In Italy the situation seems to be reversed, that they only test the worst cases due to limited testing capabilities. Thus the relative amount of deaths per positive test is much higher.
2) The death numbers are lagging behind by multiple days, due to bureaucratic inefficiencies.

[Anonymous No.11507068]

>>11507048
The weirdest thing to me was that their deaths frequently exceeded their critical patient numbers by several fold, which is backward from every other country.

[Anonymous No.11507166]

>>11505207
not news worthy, try to shock and titillate again

[Anonymous No.11507185]

>>11505210
> spread the virus by eating bat soup
> Be grateful to me!

[Anonymous No.11507209]

>>11506917
I'm not even American lol. Why do you commies allow yourselves to be stereotyped so easily? I guess it comes from the extreme purity spiraling you stupid faggots engage in.

[Anonymous No.11507509]

>>11506765
>Proof: 21+ million anomalous cancelled mobile phone accounts.
proof?

[Anonymous No.11507573]

>>11502090
Watch this anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=14&v=z2DG01FX_cA&feature=emb_logo&fbclid=IwAR09bO_hW1ietMOic-wMn8PDfHBg4VkrX9-_MDj82sX_n8wJU47Bn7Nc8mo

[Anonymous No.11507605]

>>11507573
Based.
Fuck the CCP.

[Anonymous No.11507610]

>>11507008
If you actually do digging regarding the day to day numbers it is blatently obvious they are manipulated. I think one day the Chinese official statistics reported that X number had died one day, but if you added that number to the previous days total death count, it was higher than what China was reporting.

[Anonymous No.11507622]

>>11505210
China is so fucking shameless its insane.

[Anonymous No.11507626]

>>11505360
>a few dozen cases every now and then
Yeah that's what the CCP state controlled news is going to report. Meanwhile, ignore the fact that 1/3rd of the country has come down with crippling pneumonia for some reason.

[Anonymous No.11507646]

>>11507573
Not even the Chinese believe their own numbers.

[Anonymous No.11507657]

>>11506741
Are you retarded?

>I bash Chinese communist apologists ITT using whataboutism logical fallacies
>Some retard replies saying whataboutism is a leftist buzzword
>I explain whataboutism is a term from the Cold War coined by Conservatives (like me, I'm a conservative)
>Proceed to call me a commie anyway
You must be a CCP shill. Hard to believe someone could be this retarded on purpose.