/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11492815]

Would this work?

[Anonymous No.11492855]

>>11492815
no.
all work and no play makes jack a dull boy
no work and all play makes jack a dumb boy
there will be time for sleepless nights and locking yourself in your room when you do research professionally or at a nontrivial level, and even then, it lasts only in bursts for about a week per 2 months. Otherwise, just pace yourself and make a system of checks to make sure you actually study and understand the material (ie can solve problems and derive with it). so many people claim to understand, which to them basically means they read through the chapter and thought their ability to nod their heads in agreement meant thoroughly understanding its significance.

[Anonymous No.11492950]

>>11492855
>no.
why not?

[Anonymous No.11492967]

>>11492950
>why not?
read the post

[Anonymous No.11492977]

>>11492815
where is the computer?

[Anonymous No.11493004]

>>11492855
What if you see studying as play and video games as work?

[Anonymous No.11493048]

>>11493004
to some extent, i think all who follow through and are interested in study see it as a form of play - until a certain point. It is, in fact play to encounter new ideas. It is not play to properly digest those ideas through exercises and problems. This is why everyone is generally fine reading through textbooks and nodding in agreement, but problems take a lot of energy.
That being said, i personally find problem solving to be like a game, but unlike other games and recreational activities, it's a game that expends an extraordinarily large amount of energy in the process.
tl;dr stop overestimating your well of energy and investment in your topic of study when the going gets hard and you have to buckle down and do the boring part of studying.

[Anonymous No.11493103]

>>11492815
no because the desire to defeat boredom will appear through insanity if stripped of any other means to do so

People do not actually have a reason to cocoonmode and study all day. You are using studying as your launchpad of getting society's approval and therefor supposedly attracting a better mate when everyone's cheering you and mentioning your name. Studying done in raw exploratory fashion, i.e in the way that you play a game for nothing else but to satisfy your desire to explore the unknown and see what happens in that game, is very limited and becomes boring the moment you stop exploring and switch to the working mindset. That's when your brain will pull out the caloric expense vs caloric reward calculator and realize that there are much shorter paths to a caloric prosperity or even opposite sex approval than reading even one section of the list on the left. Once your subconsciousness realizes that it's not worth doing it, you will not do it no matter how hard you try to force yourself to do it. If you keep whipping yourself into doing it you will, at first, start falling into reflexive daydreaming every 10 minutes or so to kill the boredom and stop expending useless calories, and the longer you stay in that state the shorter the cycle will become until it becomes a permanent daydreaming - schizophrenia.

You will claim that you are more than a primate and you can surely study for a higher purpose other than getting society's approval or dipping into a topic real quick to explore the unknown, but trust me, you don't. No one does. Humans cannot function like this and our brains get blasted by a soup of negative reinforcement chemicals to specifically prevent us from doing it if there's no carrot at the end of the stick. The road to the idealistic Ubermensch is exactly one step away from us at any time, but no one has ever taken that step because we simply can't. A quick mind here and there who invents the thing before he gets bored, that's about it.

[Anonymous No.11493127]

>>11492815
Schrödingers Weeb

[Anonymous No.11493134]

>>11492815
no, math monk is a meme
repeat after me
MATH MONK IS A MEME
many have tried and many have failed. get a hobby, get some friends, get a girl if you think you can handle the distraction. study 4 hours a day, go out, enjoy life and laugh at nerds that think math monk is a real thing. that's how you succeed.
I'm gonna lie to you though, the study part is the easy part.

[Anonymous No.11493136]

>>11493134
*not gonna lie : - )

[Anonymous No.11493137]

>>11493134
>math monk is a meme
yeah right

[Anonymous No.11493157]

>>11493134
All those great mathematicians were math monks, right?

[Anonymous No.11493166]

>>11493137
While Grothendieck indeed did several years of math in isolation, the pic is not related since he had rejected math decades before that was taken

[Anonymous No.11493337]

>>11492815
>Would this work?
Yes, absolutely. Report back with your results here.

[Anonymous No.11493591]

>>11492855
curiosity is a form of play
no work and all play is authenticity
all work and no play is inauthentic

[EK !EKFQOBUFnQ No.11494159]

Oh yes. This would work everytime

[Anonymous No.11494397]

>>11492815
Meth wont make you better at maths

[Anonymous No.11494428]

>>11494397
>Meth wont make you better at maths
ueah meth wont make (YOU) better at maths, fucking casual

[Anonymous No.11494455]

>>11494397
Paul Erdős says otherwise

[Anonymous No.11494458]

>>11494455
erdős...

[Anonymous No.11494495]

Sugoi!

[Anonymous No.11494508]

>>11492815
their lists fucking suck, you have build a study plan for yourself by pure force of will and cunning. a total of around 5 text references ive gotten from here turned out to be fruitful, the rest I got off stack exchange, academia threads and sifting through works cited pages and bibliographies

[Anonymous No.11494573]

>>11494508
what

[Anonymous No.11494578]

>>11494455
meth didn't make him better at math, it just allowed him to do more math
turns out when you allow a freakishly gifted autistic genius the ability to focus for 18 hours a day he gets a lot done

[Anonymous No.11494582]

>>11494578
idk

[Anonymous No.11494586]

>>11494582
Exactly my point. His number of publications per year shot way up. The quality remained the same, at best.

[Anonymous No.11494591]

>>11494586
>the quality remained the same, at best.
Have you actually read his papers? I've read a few erdos biographies but not many primary sources from him

[Anonymous No.11494601]

>>11494578
>the meth just allowed him to do more meth

[Anonymous No.11494608]

>>11492815
Only if you have huge eyebrows and a fucking lot of spice

[Anonymous No.11494614]

I've always unironically thought going to jail would be a good way to study. It's limited what you can do and you can spend a lot of time studying math. Of course you have to worry about being raped or beat up.

[Anonymous No.11494617]

>>11494591
I've read a handful. Maybe 2-3?
Go look through this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_things_named_after_Paul_Erd%C5%91s
many of the conjectures are more recent, but only a handful of theorems date past 1961 or 1962, and a pretty substantial chunk of them are pre-1950. By the metric of what other people cared about enough to remember his earlier stuff was definitely "better".

[Anonymous No.11494627]

>human intelligence is undistillable from emotions
>body needs daily maintainance else you get sick and everything starts to hurt
>half of your meager lifetime is spent sleeping

we will never see real math monks until we can escape hour biological bodies

[Teacup !obkpuSWh5M No.11494776]

Math monk is not a meme, it really works.

[Anonymous No.11494793]

>>11494776
this

[Anonymous No.11495124]

>>11492815
Nay. I would ponder over her in space. I would create a dark room and spend my time there. A tray from darkness would deliver me food. I would eat and shit in darkness.

[Anonymous No.11495267]

>>11493591
read >>11493048
This idea that 'the phonies won't be the ones who enjoy it' doesn't really apply. Everyone enjoys creating and exploring new math. Nobody likes slogging through the rote details. This is why you can more easily study away at active research problems, but studying to build up to that can be a massive slog.

[Anonymous No.11495284]

>>11494573
The /sci/ lists are terrible, which is an obvious implication of the wording in every part of the post, brainlet

[Anonymous No.11495325]

>>11495284
you are not worthy of the lists, they are good, yes

[Anonymous No.11495492]

>>11495325
they're pretty bad and generally skewed towards a single topic the poster is studying. the amount of "fuck algebra" or "fuck analysis" lists I've seen are astounding

[Anonymous No.11496578]

>>11492815
What are those two long lists behind his back?

[Anonymous No.11496981]

>>11496578
There two and more can be found here: https://4chanlit.fandom.com/wiki/Charts

[Anonymous No.11497026]

>>11492855
>all work and no play makes jack a dull boy
There. All better now.

[Anonymous No.11497231]

>>11492815
>Would this work
Try it. This is /sci/ after all. And put a webcam in there so we can watch