/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11492654]

he isn't downplaying the virus, he is not an idiot denier, he just wants the spike to be severe, but fast, then 8 million people die in a month and life goes on. now, if we flatten the curve then the economy will take a hit for many months to come, instead of 2-4 weeks
he's just playing dumb

[Anonymous No.11492659]

>>11492654
Why do so many people put the money for a few months over millions of lives?

[Anonymous No.11492664]

>>11492654
That's stupid, there is a high risk of reinfection and having a large amount of infected people all at once would promote horizontal gene transfer between branches real fucking hard.
You'd have much more than 8 million people dead, and many more debilitated over longer periods of time

[Anonymous No.11492698]

>implying the virus won't mutate to reinfect people

There's a reason why viruses don't go extinct.

[Anonymous No.11492701]

based balsenario

fuck the boomers, economy is more important

the only reason there is a shut down is because the ruling libtard elite are making a giant power grab like 911

there will be a patriot act for the corona virus watch

homeless are already being put into "trailers" and soon it will be FEMA camps

watch

[Anonymous No.11492722]

>>11492654
not science or math
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.11492743]

>>11492722
the thread is a discussion about how to handle the virus and political policies are a part of it

[Anonymous No.11492794]

>>11492659
>put the money for a few months over millions of lives
>money

I see a lot of people online saying stuff like this, as though they think economic recession/depression just means billionaires losing a chunk of their Lamborghini fund. There's going to be insane levels of unemployment in Europe and the US as a result of this pandemic. That's going to lead to poverty, homelessness, starvation and crime. There's also going to be a massive problem with pensions because the crashes that have happened in every stock market in the world will screw over anyone whose retirement funds are tied up in equities.

Destroying the economy now potentially means a decade or more of poverty and a lack of opportunity for anyone who's just starting out.

[Anonymous No.11492808]

>>11492794
>There's also going to be a massive problem with pensions because the crashes that have happened in every stock market in the world will screw over anyone whose retirement funds are tied up in equities.
at least one good thing about this pandemic

[Anonymous No.11492810]

>>11492743
It is not. Saged

[Anonymous No.11492816]

>>11492654
Then he is very stupid. It is not feasible at all. He's no Xi Jiping or Kim Jong-un. He's just a president with harshly declining popularity and parliamentary support.

[Anonymous No.11492817]

>>11492701
A fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.11492837]

>>11492794
>hurr durr lets avoid a depression and just let millions of millions of people die

[Anonymous No.11492856]

>>11492837
Yeah. Because people won't die, due to increased crime, poverty and suicide rates. Because ruining future prospects for an entire generation that is coming of age is nothing. Because healthcare and pensions will be ok during a depression. Because millions being unemployed and having no means to provide for themselves and their families is nothing compared to some people who won't make it through 2 more decades dying.

[Anonymous No.11492861]

>>11492856
>the risk of total collapse of civilization is a less bigger issue than the economy

[Anonymous No.11492864]

>>11492856
>only the old die from this
Italy is denying ventilators to people over the age of 60.
Young people can still get pneumonia severe enough they need to be hospitalized.
Do you want to get this while your local hospital is already over burdened?

[Anonymous No.11492866]

>>11492837
>hurr durr lets save 8 million people and then lose even more due to economic related problems

[Anonymous No.11492868]

>>11492817
youre the one doing what you are told like a good doggo

dont go outside

dont work

just sit there and let the government take care of you

[Anonymous No.11492877]

>>11492866
read
>>11492864
Wait until your city gets a local spread and lets see what you say

[Anonymous No.11492898]

>>11492861
>this kind of colapse is better than the other

[Anonymous No.11492901]

>>11492898
An economic depression is not going to reset humanity back to the stone age.

This pandemic could.

[Anonymous No.11492905]

>>11492901
>This pandemic could.
You mean this hysteria.

[Anonymous No.11492906]

>>11492659
Childhood friend of mine was arrested for jay walking, face down on a carls jr bathroom floor, one cop drooped his tazer on my friends hand the the other cop shot my friend 3x in the back. They dragged him by the feet outside, never once administered aid and let him drown in his own blood over a 10 minute period. The lawsuit? 4 million dollars, and that number is basically unheard of. So there you go: human life is usually worth less than a few million dollars. Now focus on the fact we're talking about brazillians. Whole city of people probably worth less than100 grand to some businessman.

[Anonymous No.11492907]

>>11492877
Dumbest post

[Anonymous No.11492916]

>>11492901
>This pandemic could turn civilization back to stone age
Thats probably the dumbest thing I've heard this month

[Anonymous No.11492917]

>>11492901
>This pandemic could

Could you explain how exactly you see this happening? Spanish flu was worse than this and hit at around the same time as WW1, but didn't knock us back to the stone age.

[Anonymous No.11492936]

>>11492861
>total collapse of civilization
This is not a nuclear war, anon. Over 10 million died from the Spanish Flu right after WW1, and excuse me if I'm wrong, but there was no collapse of civilization.
>the economy
Yes, the economy. You're probably some first worlder that thinks that the economy is all about how much your biggest companies are making a year and some stuff politicians talk about, but hear me out. The economy isn't about buying a new car, the economy isn't about planning your fucking vacations, nor it is about paying your student debt. I wish those were the things I had to worry about. I'm worried about hyperinflation, about our unemployment rates going above the already astounding 11.20%, about the real possibility of another lost decade.
A spike in crime would kill way more people in Latin America than multiple COVID-19 peaks.

[Anonymous No.11493032]

>>11492936
We know nothing about this virus. We know with no absolute certainty if there are strains in which the body does not make antibodies for. We know neither if its possible for it hide someone in your body waiting to manifest.

Even if the economy enters a state where a couple hundred million more poor people die. Sadly until this virus is properly handled and we know exactly what it is and what its strains are, the economy that (((they))) give us is less important than making sure this virus doesn't get into 70-90% of people

[Anonymous No.11493218]

>>11493032
Fair point. I didn't take this into consideration.

[Anonymous No.11493241]

>>11492794
>a lack of opportunity for anyone who's just starting out
Good, fuck 'em.

[Anonymous No.11493250]

>>11492901
>An economic depression is not going to reset humanity back to the stone age.
How?

[Anonymous No.11493255]

>>11492654
>he's just playing dumb
Anon, I...

[Anonymous No.11493258]

>>11492659
Dude you're all sheep. Y'all argue about the most petty shit and never get anything done, meanwhile you keep electing the same assholes and let them get away with the same crap over and over. Why the fuck should they care about you? You suck. All you do is give them power and money and then complain. Fuck you, that's why.

[Anonymous No.11493277]

>>11492901
I thought the real pandemic was the man-made economic windfall tho. Which if the internet and power shuts down, most of us won't be left with any knowledge at all. We'll spend our time surviving and figuring out agriculture while hoards of migrants pillage and reset us all to nothing. That's how the bronze age ended anyway. Build that fucking wall.

[Anonymous No.11493292]

>>11493277
Trust me if the economy gets to the point that the west doesnt have internet and power, certainly no migrants are going to be flooding in

[Anonymous No.11493311]

>>11492794

>Destroying the economy now potentially means a decade or more of poverty and a lack of opportunity for anyone who's just starting out

You say that as if millions of lives lost wouldn't do the same thing. There's a lot of family and business support structures that would fall apart from that level of fallout. Don't romanticize calamity like events, yes the survivors of such events often became more wealthier and stable but that too took decades since the new guard required time to establish themselves. In the meantime children were orphaned, homes were looted or destroyed, farm land was seized, local people became refugees in their own country migrating to neighboring regions and being demonized.

At the end of the day Covid-19 is a firm reality check to anyone who didn't have their shit straight. It has proven why a robust infrastructure is important for healthcare, education, transportation, government and the economy. It has also proven why good leadership is tantamount to preparation and mitigating fallout like this.

[Anonymous No.11493328]

>>11492794
You are a fucking idiot.

1. The economy is going to be fucked either way. 90% of the world outside of Africa is on lockdown already. Even if a country like Brazil tries to ignore the problem and keep business as usual, it's economy is already in the toilet. The Brazilian currency has already crashed to record lows. No country is an island, the world is entering a depression.

2. Doing nothing means potentially millions could die. This is not some flu. Especially in a third world country with subpart healthcare like Brazil, the numbers of dead will be staggering. Don't believe me? Just wait a month.
That will impact the economy too, btw.

3. Coronavirus could reach bat populations in the Amazon and mutate into something even deadlier, with a 30% lethality like SARS. Brazil doing this particularly retarded, it's like the worst country that could be doing this right now.

tl;dr - You have some far right memelord talking about the virus being "justdaflu" and doing nothing in a country with millions in extreme poverty and poor sanitation and healthcare, that's just asking for this serious virus to turn into a world killer.

[Anonymous No.11493344]

>>11493328
When the world opens up borders again flights won't be allowed to leave brazil

[Anonymous No.11493350]

where's the best place to park your wealth at at a time like this?

[Anonymous No.11493352]

>>11493350
sell bitcoin buy toilet paper

[Anonymous No.11493367]

>>11493352
im selling tp for bitcoin

[Anonymous No.11493376]

>>11493350

Put it in job markets that are listed as "essential".

[Anonymous No.11493398]

>>11492901
>This pandemic could

Don't you think that with the amount of knowledge, the amount of people, the amount of development and storage capacity that we have today, going back to the stone age is simply impossible?

[Anonymous No.11493399]

>>11492794
>>11492837
>>11493311
THIS

What is it with money ? Has this worthless paper become now more important then our lives ? is the GDP now really more important then the survival of the citizens ?

This is some distopian shit !!!

Also econmy will go to shit anyways if millions of people die - u know it

[Anonymous No.11493400]

>>11493350
Unironically Runescap Classic gold.

[Anonymous No.11493403]

>>11493344
Yeah, that too. International travel, tourism, even trade... will be very different from now on.

I imagine a future where countries where corona has been erradicated will put huge barriers against those that still have it. The era of open borders, travel and immigration is basically dead. The sick countries will be segregated and isolated.

[Anonymous No.11493404]

>>11493403
>The era of open borders, travel and immigration is basically dead
Finally

[Anonymous No.11494016]

>>11493404
Watch out you may end up on the wrong side.

[Anonymous No.11494290]

>>11492654
>he's just playing dumb
No doubt, but you are the real thing.

[Anonymous No.11494416]

>>11493328

Bolsonaro and his voters want the other half of the country dead

[Anonymous No.11494553]

Wow what a great plan! Surely that can't go wrong, right?
He is just playing dumb haha. He isn't a massive obvious fucking idiot who has no idea what the fuck he is playing with.

[Anonymous No.11495009]

>>11494553
what was the cause for the wave behaviour?

[Anonymous No.11495026]

>>11494553
When will people stop with the fucking Spanish flu meme. It wouldn't have been nearly as deadly if it hadn't been for the 4 years of industrial war. Central Europe was starving and a lot of provinces were completely devestated. Not to mention how most young men were living in the horrid conditions of the trenches, wet, dirty, unhygenic, wounded and malnourished. The Spanish flu is never going to happen again unless such a war were to happen again.

[Anonymous No.11496022]

>>11492901
You fucking retard, some dead Boomers are gonna reset nothing. If anything we should let them perish instead of dragging us down with them. God i hate this shitty quarantine

[Anonymous No.11496031]

>>11496022
>only the elderly die to this.
Italy is now instructing doctors who are capped on ventilators to start denying ventilators to those over 60

[Anonymous No.11496061]

>>11496031
Point proves I guess. Also the "young" in this case are probably 50 years old, fat as fuck, smokers and eat like shit

[Anonymous No.11496067]

>>11492701
ruling libtard elite = long term capitalists that you worship

[Anonymous No.11496101]

>>11495026
>he thinks war isn't a possibility if the world economy fails to recover

[Anonymous No.11496227]

>>11496101
War is the last option for humanity.

[Anonymous No.11496251]

>>11493258
>dude you can't complain or raise any criticism of a government as long as they keep being voted into power regardless of if you're voting for them or not.

[Anonymous No.11496309]

>>11496227
I mean for most of history I feel like we've gone for it pretty readily.

[Anonymous No.11496854]

>>11492659
i don't think 80yr old boomer lives are worth even close to a million dollars let alone fucking the economy for a decade

[Anonymous No.11496942]

>>11492654

implying the virus goes away just because people die

[Anonymous No.11496952]

>>11492901
>this pandemic could

[Anonymous No.11496968]

>bolsonaro
>duckduckgo
I wonder what could be macaquinho's main board

[Anonymous No.11496990]

>>11492654
>MuH PrEsiDeNt Is StUpId So ImMa PrEtEnD It Is all a SeCrEt MaStAh PlAn

[Anonymous No.11497081]

>>11492837
Yes.

[Anonymous No.11497139]

>>11493328
Brazilians are not ignoring corona, only Bolsonaro, your whole argument falls apart.

[Anonymous No.11497161]

>>11497139
>Brazilians are not ignoring corona but their whole state and government is
Basically they're doing nothing

[Anonymous No.11497235]

>>11497139
Obviously, I am talking about the government, chiefly about the retarded far right banana republic president that Brazilians voted in, which is the topic of this thread. On a secondary level about the state governments, which as far as I know, have also done nothing aside from a few exceptions.

How does the argument fall apart? The virus is spreading because of government inaction. Are you being deliberately obtuse or what?

[Anonymous No.11497469]

>>11492654
>iTs 4d ChESs
Lmao

[Anonymous No.11497489]

>>11492654

Analysing the underlying exponential daily growth rate from WHO Europe data


Difficult to get a grip of it and time is of the essence.The rates of infection are a geometric progression. Looking at WHO data for Europe some people seem surprised that in 67 days we got 100,000 and 11 days later 200,000 and then only four days later 300,000. But if you use logarithms you can see its an underlying daily increase that is fairly constant at about 17% more per day.

k^67 = 100k. take logs : 67.ln(k) = ln(100000) so the first daily rate is 1.18 or 18%. i.e. e(l(100000)/67)

go forward 11 days: e(l(200000)/78) = 1.169 or still 17%

go forward 4 days to the scary 300k total: e(l(300000)/82) == 1.166
so the daily infection rate is fairly constant

[Anonymous No.11497548]

>>11493328
Their economy is fucked because Lula used Odebrecht to dominate Latinoamerica, they bribed governments and industries and gave that money to commies and ofc to Brazilians (partial socialism is ok If you steal from others amirite? hehehe)..now that monstrous ammount of money is gone

[Anonymous No.11497568]

>>11497548
yes, Brazil, the biggest supporter and gloabal financer of communism and communist revolutions everywhere

[Anonymous No.11498037]

>>11497161
>>11497235
Retards, every brazilian state is enforcing a shit ton of measures to contain the virus.

[Anonymous No.11498256]

If I told you we could save a million people thats great. But if I told you it will cost 50 million per person, and most of them are just years from death anyway, you should start seriously thinking about that decision. That's the equivalent of like 5 to 10 people working their entire lives to save one 80 year old person from pneumonia. It's nice to complain that life is being thought of in dollar-values when you have the luxury of not being forced to make these choices.

I don't know the situation in Brazil specifically but the situation is seriously fucked and not just a matter of being greedy or nice.

[Anonymous No.11498481]

>>11498256

Money and "the economy" are literally made up.

[Anonymous No.11498487]

>>11498256
The people dying in Italy right now are not all people years away from death you fucking psychopath

[Anonymous No.11498490]

>>11492654
Flattening the curve to give time for scientist to develop some therapy protocol isn’t a bad idea. Especially considering I think in a month or two they will have a way to treat this with medications and anti virals. If nothing breaks through in a month or two, the world should now we are being fucked with.

[Anonymous No.11498494]

>>11492664
Nah
https://www.elsevier.com/connect/coronavirus-information-center
Everything you said is wrong. I suggest going to this website and reading the peer reviewed publications so you don’t sound like a ignorant retard https://www.elsevier.com/connect/coronavirus-information-center

[Anonymous No.11498495]

>>11492905
This guy is redpilled

[Anonymous No.11498499]

>>11498481
the "value of human life" is made up you dumb bitch.

[Anonymous No.11498501]

>>11493032
We know a lot about this virus https://www.elsevier.com/connect/coronavirus-information-center
Read the 22000 published peer reviewed research papers and shut up. Just because you are a lazy piece of shit and doesn’t know anything about this virus doesn’t mean the professionals don’t.

[Anonymous No.11498506]

>>11498501
>we know a lot about a virus that has only existed for not even 4 months
Its going to take years of studying it in a lab before we have a full idea of the virus and how it works

[Anonymous No.11498513]

>>11498506
No it’s not, we know exactly how this virus operates. https://www.elsevier.com/connect/coronavirus-information-center
Read the research. It’s right there.

[Anonymous No.11498520]

>>11498513
>4 months is enough time to have an accurate diagnostic on a virus

[Anonymous No.11498522]

>>11498487
Average age is like 79, most with other conditions. How many years do you think they have left on average?

>>11498481
Real production is not made up and involves actual opportunity costs. Just erase an enormous chunk of it though and pretend no one has to suffer.

[Anonymous No.11498524]

>>11493292
Not only will the biggest economies be the last to fall, we're still there world's leading exporter of food. They'll want in

[Anonymous No.11498531]

>>11498256
Losing 5% of the workforce will fuck up the economy much more than a lockdown ever could. And not only the old are dying.

[Anonymous No.11498536]

>>11498520
>too lazy and stupid to read the research papers that clearly define biochemically how this virus invades, multiples, and kills human cells
Just give up man.

[Anonymous No.11498551]

>>11498256
>But if I told you it will cost 50 million per person
but it doesnt cost 50 million per person, it costs many billions to the corporations who stole it all in the first place.

[Anonymous No.11498698]

>>11493328
Scenario 1- everyone lives but at the cost of the global economy.
Lives are in ruins, businesses close, resources aren't dug up, farmer's aren't paid, infrastructure isn't maintained, and billions are starving and wondering what to do and what to eat.
Adolf Hitler 2.0, 3.0, 4.0 and 5.5 rise up.

Scenario 2- millions die, but the economy doesn't suffer the extra drop in panic because we kept going about our business.
Healthcare overloaded, but jobs are opening up and charity cases are closing down as people die. Poor countries with minimal hygenic infrastructure are hit the worst (less starving mouths). Most countries will open up their own medical supply manufacturers, spreading the wealth and ease of manufacturing.
We're able to restructure and allocate resources.

Scenario 3- a billion dead (it's hypothetical anyway)
Again healthcare is overloaded to a halt, and poorer countries suffer horribly. Global warming solved for now as there are 1/7 as many polluters, and rent and traffic are way down.
Restructuring may take a lifetime but we kept businesses and infrastructure alive to make that possible.

>inb4 but the government does all that
No, the government collects your taxes and pays businesses to do all that.
>inb4 millions dead will take its toll on the economy
Not half as hard as the panic did
>inb4 how can you choose money and business over lives
Because a life of billions starving under totalitarian government measures isn't worth living. What's the old battle cry? "Give me liberty or give me death"

[Anonymous No.11498806]

>>11498698
A few months lockdown isnt going to cause an economic crash that causes the end of civilization

[Anonymous No.11498824]

>>11498698
It's more like:

Scenario 1 - Lockdowns are immediatly implemented before the curve of exponential growth takes off. Travel bans, random checks and testing of the population, tracking through cellphone apps, social distancing, etc. Disease is stopped dead in its tracks. Lockdown lasts a month or two, business goes back to normal but with closed borders, the economy takes a small hit and millions of lives are saved. Admittedly, most countries are past this point already (thanks to justdaflu faggots), but others can still do it. This approach has worked in Taiwan, Hubei, South Korea, and other countries. Many of which are democracies.

Scenario 2 - Valuable time is lost, exponential growth of cases takes off, healthcare is overloaded and thousands die, governments react late and carry out the measures in point 1. Except now we are dealing with thousands of cases, so the lockdown would have to last several months to have an impact, or until a vaccine or an effective retroviral is found. Thousands die, economy takes a huge hit.
This is the situation Italy, Spain and soon America find themselves in.

Scenario 3 - Nothing is done. Healthcare system is overloaded. Millions of infected, millions of dead. Healthcare system collapses. People with other illnesses also die due to a lack of ICUs. Even if a vaccine or an effective retroviral is found, the collapse of the health system means people won't be getting the help they need. The economy takes a hit from: Millions dying, social unrest, restrictions in other countries. Even after the world crisis is over the country will probably remain an international pariah with travel to

BONUS RISK: Large-scale infection gives the virus higher chances to mutate, which can render vaccine efforts ineffective and increase its lethality.

[Anonymous No.11498831]

>>11498824
>disease stopped dead in its track
Hong Kong is reporting new cases
Also is Canada (namely BC) past this point? Leafs have about 3.6k cases BC has 476

[Anonymous No.11499356]

>>11498551
There is going to be a burden of many trillions of dollars if the shutdown continues, and plenty of it will fall on the poor.

[Anonymous No.11499380]

>>11498824
SARS never got a vaccine. What makes you think corona will have a vaccine?

HIV no vaccine yet except very efficient inhibiting drugs. HIV really has the most nightmarish of features of both sars and infleunza. SARS attacks the very cells that try to get rid of it, it's really nasty.

[Anonymous No.11499388]

mostly it just kills boomer retirees who hold on their money anyway

basically you take one month of economic hit, then all the young survivors get huge inheritance money to spend and supercharge the economy

Trump has just realised this now, which is why the US lockdown will be over soon also

[Anonymous No.11499398]

>>11499388
>Trump has just realised this now, which is why the US lockdown will be over soon also

Trump didn't realize how bad he and his staff misprepare for the pandemic and also the virus is about to show up very soon. I would have waiting around middle April to bring back the economy up and running again.

[Anonymous No.11499445]

>>11499398
This, fucking this.

[Anonymous No.11499468]

>>11499398
Hopefully most Governors will maintain restrictive measures regardless of federal orders from the president.

I do get the feeling that places like Florida will get absolutely curb stomped by this because they might actually follow what the president says.

[Anonymous No.11499553]

>>11496854
who cares about the economy

[Anonymous No.11499596]

>>11493328
>Animeposter is extremely based
Wow...it's really over for us isn't it..?

[Anonymous No.11499650]

>>11498698
>Lives are in ruins, businesses close, resources aren't dug up, farmer's aren't paid, infrastructure isn't maintained, and billions are starving and wondering what to do and what to eat.
>Adolf Hitler 2.0, 3.0, 4.0 and 5.5 rise up
What fanfic world are you living in? Most of the time this sort of stuff happens only because it's too sudden for anyone to do anything about. With proper planning the economy will be just fine. As 90% of jobs will be back to normal within a month or two

[Anonymous No.11499739]

>>11498531
>Losing 5% of the workforce

There's no way COVID-19 will do that though. Even assuming no unreported mild/asymptomatic cases, the mortality rates for working-age people don't come close to 5%. Also, if/when ICUs get overwhelmed, those who are working-age will be given priority over the 80 year olds, so the mortality rate isn't very likely to increase.

The worldwide lockdown is far worse for the economy than the fatalities that the coronavirus would cause. However, governments have decided to prioritise health (at least in the short term; could be a lot of poverty/starvation/suicide down the line) over the economy. Leaving a bunch of people to die isn't exactly a great strategy for getting re-elected.

[Anonymous No.11499779]

>>11499739
>There's no way COVID-19 will do that though
Yes it would.

The report by the Imperial College of London estimates the death toll from doing nothing in the United States to be 2.2 million dead, without including the deaths from the healthcare system getting overwhelmed. This is actually a low-end estimate, other studies put it as high as 38 million dead.

But let's go with the figures of the Imperial College report. The US workforce was 160 million as of 2018. Assuming that half of the 2.2 million are below the retirement age, that would leave you with 1.1 million workers dead or 6.8% of the workforce.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

>Also, if/when ICUs get overwhelmed, those who are working-age will be given priority over the 80 year olds
As outlined above, the 2.2 million figure is a lowball estimate that doesn't take into account the healthcare system getting overwhelmed. When we factor in the ICUs getting overwhelmed we could be dealing with 10 million deaths or more.

>The worldwide lockdown is far worse for the economy than the fatalities that the coronavirus would cause
You have no source to back this statement. It's true that the longer governments wait to institute lockdowns the more costly these become.

>However, governments have decided to prioritise health
Some governments are prioritizing saving both lives and the economy from the disruption millions of dead would create, political and social instability as well aw economic damage. Other governments are doing nothing and will find themselves in deep shit having to institute longer and more painful lockdowns due to not taking this decision ahead of time, as has happened in Italy and Spain.

ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS:
* Retrovirals could shorten the pain, making early, short lockdowns even more cost effective
* Lack of action could lead the virus to mutate and become deadlier

[Anonymous No.11499784]

>>11499356
>and plenty of it will fall on the poor.
it doesnt have to, great moment to fire up the wood old politic... i mean WOOD chipper

[Anonymous No.11499790]

>>11499388
first it DOES NOT ONLY AFFECT BOOMERS plenty of people from ages 20 to 60 have died.

second, when the hospitals are overcrowded death rates from absolutely everything else will sky rocket, with crowded hospitals just the people dying from coronary disease will at least quintuple

[Anonymous No.11499797]

>>11499739
>hose who are working-age will be given priority over the 80 year olds
good luck with that.

WHY ARE YOU LEAVING MY GRANDPA TO DIE?? YOU MONSTER, THATS IT THIS IS MY BIG MONEY LAWYER AND THIS IS MY .38 GUN, TREAT HIM OR GET SUED AND DIED IN WHICHEVER ORDER YOU PREFER.

multiply this times 300 million.

also hoarding of medical supplies will ocur

[Anonymous No.11499848]

>>11499790
>plenty of people from ages 20 to 60 have died.
Compared to the overall infected amount? Not really.

[Anonymous No.11500519]

>>11499779
>But let's go with the figures of the Imperial College report. The US workforce was 160 million as of 2018. Assuming that half of the 2.2 million are below the retirement age, that would leave you with 1.1 million workers dead or 6.8% of the workforce.

>workforce was 160 million
>1.1 million workers dead
>6.8%

Excuse me, but how did you work this out? 1.1m is **0.68%** of 160m, NOT 6.8%. You messed up your decimal places and were off by a factor of 10x.

[Anonymous No.11500633]

I'm Brazilian and I know how stupid, irresponsible this guy is and doesn't have the slightest ethics to govern a country.

[Anonymous No.11500639]

>>11492901
>This pandemic could.
How?

[Anonymous No.11500641]

Will capitalism win this one? It's not looking good

[Anonymous No.11500668]

>>11500641
i think so. capitalism has bred huge amounts of empathy and compassion and while a large chunk of this is putrid narcissism in disguise, enough of it is sincere to carry our shit forward.

[Anonymous No.11501035]

>>11492654
Well, keep an eye on Sweden. They went full retard and went for the "Herd Immunity" meme. They just had 18 people keel over in one day in Stockholm alone. They're about to enter the shitstorm proper. Not all of those deaths were just old useless boomers and I suspect when the dust settles, the damages will be even more severe long term.
Watch that space.

And before you say "but 18 people is nothing", they're a tiny nation, slightly larger than us, the neighbor. But we've had less deaths than they've just had in a day in total since the whole shit started.

[Anonymous No.11501491]

>>11498698
capitalism is so fragile that a 3 month stop on NON ESSENCIAL/CONSUMISM/superfluous business causes a collapse. we truly live in a clown world

[Anonymous No.11501725]

>>11495009
Theories seem to think it was due to ww1, and natural selection promoting agressively attacking 20 year olds, because being seriously ill means being sent back from the front lines and infecting entire hospitals and family members, while mild viruses would die with their hosts during war.

[Anonymous No.11501733]

>>11492794
>I would die for an economic system that kills people anyway

WEW
If this is the best we as a species can do to barter and exchange then fuckin hell

[Anonymous No.11501739]

>>11493399
Shutuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
>You'll anger THE MARKET
Remember:
>You worship MUH MARKET
>MARKET is good
>MARKET is fair
>PRAISE MARKET
>MARKET gives life

Now, ignore the trillions stashed off-sgore in tax havens literally sustaining a corporately captured democratic facade, sit tight and let the
>ENTREPENEURS
fix this

[Anonymous No.11501743]

>>11492701
Proof that money spent on PR men, media ownership, astroturfing and poor education has worked

[Anonymous No.11501747]

>>11493404
BASEd

>>11496227
For the US , WAR has been the only option forabout 60 years

[Anonymous No.11501750]

>>11492654
>then 8 million people die in a month and life goes on. now
Everything that Kennedy anon has said so far has come to past.
His scariest prediction, which he's only relaying from CDC/WHO, is about Corona-chan mixing with Brazilian bats.
Brazil will be fucked harder than any country on Earth. Good luck with that extremely optimistic prediction of only 8 million dying.

[Anonymous No.11501757]

>>11500519
No more pension liabilities for FUNDS

[Anonymous No.11501763]

>>11500633
Based Socrates anon

[Anonymous No.11501766]

>>11501035
Oh dear
Were they being advised by Sven Goran Erikkson?

[Anonymous No.11501794]

>>11500633
Right-wing voters don't have the sense to vote.

[Anonymous No.11501820]

>>11501747
>WAR has been the only option forabout 60 years
Too bad gonna continue and the world will get much worse as time goes on.

[Anonymous No.11501938]

>>11501820

[Anonymous No.11502222]

>>11492794
Paradigm shift is coming whether you like it or not.

[Anonymous No.11502337]

>>11492654
Explain this

[Anonymous No.11502395]

>>11502337
2 week incubation period

[Anonymous No.11502413]

>>11492659
Because the upper 10% of the population tend to be sociopaths.
Hence they lack empathy for other people.

[Anonymous No.11502491]

>>11502413

You mean the "other people" who've lost their jobs because of the economic shutdown?

[Anonymous No.11502745]

>>11501766
lol.
Worse, I think their chief epidemiologist is some male feminist ally.

[Anonymous No.11502834]

I don't know much about economics. Presumably there will be a vaccine in a year or two. After that won't the economy quickly go back to pre-corona levels? Why are people predicting a decade long depression? After WWII the American economy was awesome. What we're doing now seems a lot closer to wartime rationing than the housing and .com bubbles bursting.

[Anonymous No.11502835]

>>11502834
>Presumably there will be a vaccine in a year or two
Wishful thinking. It's mutating like the flu. In Iceland alone they've found over 40 mutations so far.
This shit is going to stay with us forever.

[Anonymous No.11502840]

>>11502834
The US economy was awesome because they profited from both sides in 2 world wars and crippled all their allies with debt. Intentionally in the case of the UK.

Production is slowing not astronomically inflating.

[Anonymous No.11503227]

>>11492794
>There's going to be insane levels of unemployment in Europe and the US as a result of this pandemic.
You can't know that the economy won't kick right up roaring like it did in the early 20s after the spanish flu. Recession/depression are nice words, but things don't always behave the same because they appear similar on the surface. Human behavior is much more complex than what economists and sociologists want to believe.

Another thing is that the damage of a super fast spreading virus is much less predictable than a couple of months of economic pause. It could at any time mutate to a much more deadly form, and we might find out about it too late to stop it from wiping out a significant portion of the population. In a worst case scenario, the whole of modern civilization could go extinct. What are you going to do then?

[Anonymous No.11503231]

>>11498501
>>11498513
>No it’s not, we know exactly how
We knew exactly how many things in the world operated until we found out we didn't. This one could cost us everything.

[Anonymous No.11503600]

>>11502337
That's because most of the state governors went rogue and implemented all sorts of emergency measures to stop the spread.
Bolsonaro is also trying to force them to comply.
I predict states rights becoming a big thing in future Brazil.

[Anonymous No.11503758]

>>11502835
We should still be able to make vaccines against the most common strains and have something that's around 70% effective like the flu-shot. That's enough for herd immunity instead of lockdowns.

[Anonymous No.11503799]

>>11503227
I am not aware of any case of a virus mutating to a *more* harmful form within a single host species, because that is evolutionarily disadvantageous. Harmful viruses come from jumping species barriers from other animals, and they are harmful precisely because they are not adapted to humans.

[Anonymous No.11503814]

>>11500519
BASED

oh except you dont have any evidence that a lockdown would be worse for the economy than the fatalities that the coronavirus would cause, fuck

[Anonymous No.11503819]

>>11503814

>I messed up the basic arithmetic my argument hinged on but I'm gonna seethe and pretend an entire order of magnitude makes no difference

[Anonymous No.11503926]

>>11502745
Oh dear oh dear

[Anonymous No.11504098]

>>11503819
Not him, but I'm the guy that did miss the arithmetic. It was 4 am, give me a break.

Regardless, a 0.6% of the workforce dead, as a lowball estimate WITHOUT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ICU COLLAPSE, is a huge deal.

To get 2.2 million dead you would need:
The US doubling rate to increase to 7 days doubling time (it's currently 2 days)
The death rate to decrease to 1% (it's currently almost 2% in the US and 4% worldwide)
ICUs not collapsing

So 2.2 million is a very conservative estimate and pretty catastrophic as it is.

[Anonymous No.11504313]

>>11504098
Half under the retirement age is a pretty drastic assumption. It's more like 15% in Italy as of now. Of course that could change, but probably not to 50%.

Not everyone under the retirement age participates in the labor force. Deaths would probably be further concentrated among people who already not in the labor force (the infirm) and in older people with just a few years of productive activity left.

But anyway cost-benefit analysis is hard when people are arguing for potential death counts that differ by 100x.

[Anonymous No.11504317]

>>11492936
>https://www.elsevier.com/connect/coronavirus-information-center
the economy is also about the food you buy at the supermaket and the money you make to pay said food, so its a pretty big deal