This is the definitive list, right?

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Anonymous Tue Mar 17 02:27:58 2020 No.11476604 [Reply] [Original]

This is the definitive list, right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 02:32:50 2020 No.11476612 >>11476604 >comp sci mid tier Already outted yourself as a bitter faggot, congratulations

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 02:33:02 2020 No.11476613 gr8 b8

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 02:34:50 2020 No.11476617 >>11476604 Correct

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>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 02:50:37 2020 No.11476638 >>11476604 theology?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 03:12:09 2020 No.11476668 >>11476604 swap out medicine with engineering and it looks good

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 03:21:07 2020 No.11476685 >>11476604 Add accounting to mid tier and we're good.

Anonymous Tue Mar 17 07:15:56 2020 No.11476706

>>11476626
lol when "physician assistant" is a major
>>11476604
Chemistry should be top tier at highest, probably mid-tier. Aside from translational research in bio it's the most institutionalized, trapped in it's ways, boring science.
Philosophy is probably good at mid-tier but would have a high variance.
Unfortunately, unis ruined cs and it should be low tier.
Maybe I'll make this, but I feel like bio,physics,chem, eng should be split up into sub disciplines. e..g. Electirical eng is probably top tier but civil is low.
Medicine should be mid tier is dumb. Most doctors don't know how diagnostic tests work!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 07:48:12 2020 No.11476748 Maths and philosophy god tier, rest is pleb shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 08:07:50 2020 No.11476784 >>11476604 School prestige/ranking matters just as much Mathematics at a no name public school is not going to be at the same depth or rigor of that of a top school like MIT or Harvard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 08:22:42 2020 No.11476805 >>11476784 >freshman

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 08:23:49 2020 No.11476808 Why tf (excluding civil,mech)?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 08:50:12 2020 No.11476834 >>11476784 Not true at all

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 08:51:41 2020 No.11476836 Music top tier

Anonymous Tue Mar 17 09:06:03 2020 No.11476851

If your goal is earnings and job flexibility/mobility/satisfaction then CS is at the tippy top. Sorry engineeringfags, that's just the way the economy is right now. I know people in all sorts of other fields that are mulling a switch to programming right now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 09:09:45 2020 No.11476858 i think church organist/poet + amatuer mathematician/free software contributor is the greatest path

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 09:13:10 2020 No.11476863 >>11476706 Implying we go ahead with differentiating each subject in their respective disciplines, where would you expect organic chemistry to be placed?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 10:02:38 2020 No.11476954 >>11476834 >>11476805 cope

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 12:03:07 2020 No.11477177 >>11476604 There is way too fucking much to list that's wrong with this

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 14:52:10 2020 No.11477623 >>11476604 Switch engineering with English

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 14:53:29 2020 No.11477626 >>11476784 >MIT or Harvard >depth and rigor americans...

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 14:55:49 2020 No.11477632 >>11476604 >judging and ranking others according to your personal beliefs Judaism tier.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 14:57:23 2020 No.11477635 >>11477632 4chan is by Jews for jews. No foreskin involved.

Anonymous Tue Mar 17 18:44:31 2020 No.11478264

>>11476863
I have mixed feelings about organic chemistry. I've heard from several chemists, organic and otherwise, that it is the discipline where work in pretty much equals work out ; you do the experiments, you get results after changing conditions, not much left to the imagination. Also it seems as though much of the field is application/efficiency driven. Also, to my knowledge it is the area of science with the most clear goal: "be able to synthesize any organic compound", which takes away a lot of the magic. Lastly the culture largely seems dumb, with Japanese-corporate mentality (leave after your higher-up leaves).
The complaints in place, it does require a very specific type of mind to have a good intuition for organic synthesis. And it has given us amazing access to materials/chemicals of all types.
In all, I think it would be put in mid-tier. But you can probably see my biases. Chemistry as a whole is tied really to the atomic scale, which really limits it as a science.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 19:43:24 2020 No.11478412 File: 78 KB, 401x385, 1425613204757.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If you don't believe that Teachers are the most important people, then you are part of the problem

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 19:55:29 2020 No.11478441 >>11476604 >Theology higher than psychology, law, economics

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 20:23:16 2020 No.11478536 lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 20:35:48 2020 No.11478579 Medicine should be mid tier at most. I say this as somebody with an MD. The field is absolutely rife with plebs, the majority of whom have average intelligence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 20:43:18 2020 No.11478595 >>11476784 t. Highschooler Rigor and depth aren't what make MIT and Harvard distinctive. Both aren't even that rigorous to begin with. No American university is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 20:43:43 2020 No.11478598 >>11476604 >engineering >top tier and same tier as maths/physics Might as well add gender studies there while you are at it

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 20:54:43 2020 No.11478625 Is computer engineering > computer science? What's the difference.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 21:08:12 2020 No.11478665 >>11476604 >CS mid tier To be fair CS should not even be on the list, it's not a real academic subject. CS belongs in trade schools.

Anonymous Tue Mar 17 21:17:26 2020 No.11478695

>>11478625
Computer Engineering comes from Electrical Engineering.
Computer Science originally was a more math-oriented course, and you'd give more focus to algorithms and so on rather than the electronic devices. But nowadays most universities turned CS into a dumbed down course made to bait wannabe programmers, although there are still some very respectable CS programs around

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 21:21:57 2020 No.11478708 >>11478595 >placing Hardshart on the same level as MIT

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 21:23:57 2020 No.11478712 >>11478695 >>11478665 Wtf, you guys are making me want to drop out of my CS program. It starts in May.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 21:24:10 2020 No.11478714 >>11478708 He did it. Not me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 21:38:42 2020 No.11478742 >>11478712 Being optimistic: depending on your intentions and which uni you're in, you might be in for a nice ride. The CS question has been addressed in this thread >>11456960

Anonymous Tue Mar 17 21:38:57 2020 No.11478744

>>11478695
>although there are still some very respectable CS programs around
Name one.

>>11478712
If you do not want to pay a ton of money for a worthless education that you could have gotten from a couple of months of youtube watching and practice. Then you should definitely reconsider.
All STEM degrees qualify you as a software engineer if that is what you wish to do after you've completed your degree. If you choose something other than CS, then you have more opportunities in the job market.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 21:55:20 2020 No.11478801 >>11478744 Lausanne, ETH, Japanese and Singaporean schools, École Polytechnique.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 22:00:34 2020 No.11478814 >>11478801 Lmao, I attend EPFL and can attest that our CS program is shit. I'm sure that the others are no better.

Anonymous Tue Mar 17 22:33:31 2020 No.11478876

>>11476604
why is history shit tier? I am less than a year from graduating with a History Degree. I have had a fun life thus far, even including all the bad things and people who have hurt me. As long as I can spend my career deep-diving into Roman politics, than I guess I'm happy. And someday I'll have some kids, and while I may not be rich, they'll be taken care of; I'll find a way. And in the meantime, I'm already learning so much about the human condition that helps me understand the modern world I live in- wisdom I can pass down to my kids.

So why is history shit tier? What makes it so bad?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 22:35:06 2020 No.11478882 >>11476858 wholsome post gradnma

Anonymous Tue Mar 17 22:40:04 2020 No.11478901

>>11478744
I need money, lots of it. I enjoy math. I don't feel good about physics. Shitty teachers, shitty tests, shitty marks. I received marks that were 10% higher in chemistry and math than physics. How can I like it after that? That's why I'm thinking about computer science. I can still go through with chemical engineering, computer engineering, or electrical engineering if need be though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 22:42:00 2020 No.11478907 >>11478876 >the human condition The human condition is the pursuit of putting penis in a healthy vagina, or finding a rich penis in your vagina. Sort of like others animals. Everything else is arbitrary. You really don't need a degree for it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 22:45:55 2020 No.11478920 >>11478907 >incel detected there is so much more to life than sex. For instance: suffering. Learning about what so many people before me have gone through gives me my own inner strength.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 22:48:44 2020 No.11478923 >>11478920 >understanding that life is just one long attempt at getting laid makes me an incel

Anonymous Tue Mar 17 22:57:35 2020 No.11478939

>>11478923
>implying sex is the most significant factor in the human experience
there are great men who literally swear off women and they shape the world. Fuck, Ambrose of Milan literally established the precedent of the church superceding the state, which lasted legally for 100 years and culturally still has lingering relevancy to this day, and he didn't pursue sex (after his appointment to bishopric and his subsequent change of lifestyle).

You're just being a retard faggot trying to sound all epic street smart and syaing "haha dude SEX DUDE HAHAHA ancestors just wanna FUCK BRO hahaha" when you're really just a moron. There's quetsions of our existence and purpose, questions about how we spend our lives when it doesn't matter, I can't even type anymore there's literally a whole world of human existence to be inspired from, incel

Anonymous Tue Mar 17 22:58:40 2020 No.11478943
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>>11478876
History opens no career opportunities other than being a history teacher or a tour guide - both of which are not in demand

Don't get me wrong, history is a vital branch that allows us to have a good understanding of our identity and culture and a good politician should have a good understanding of history if he wish to get anywhere.

The problem is that, same as art, history course is just a waste of money. You can learn everything on your own free time in your own pc

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 23:01:57 2020 No.11478945 >>11478939 >great men who literally swear off women And you're not one of them. You yourself talked about having kids in your original post. Rejecting sex is a superhuman task. t. volcel

Anonymous Tue Mar 17 23:05:16 2020 No.11478955

>>11478943
>History opens no career opportunities other than being a history teacher or a tour guide - both of which are not in demand
1.) I intend to be a politician. Not to imply you can learn how to be one in uni, but before History I was studying social work. I want a career in helping society, and learning about the past has given me insight on modern problems.
2.)valid points about wasting time, but imo, be a dreamer. Find success no matetr which route you take in life. So while I do chastise objectively bad degrees, I could personally drop out and focus on playing my banjo for the next decade before getting into politics and i still believe I can win public office and change things for the better.

And in the end, I just wanna play my banjo and make moonshine nin a cabin in Kentucky when I'm 70, so success or failure, my life end sup at the same happy spot :)
>>11478945
incel cope

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 23:06:03 2020 No.11478958 >>11478945 Is it, really? I'm completely asexual so I may be biased but does it really take that much effort to realize that emotional attachment is better than casual sex? I personally find sex quite disgusting but hey, I'm not judging

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 23:08:24 2020 No.11478962 >>11478958 >asexual no you aren't you're just a faggot who could never receive the sexual attention you wanted so you coped. Humans are a sexual species designed for sex, asexuality doesn't exist retard degenerate

Anonymous Tue Mar 17 23:09:34 2020 No.11478966

>>11478958
>I'm completely asexual
You have a mental disorder so you can't have this conversation. Emotional connection is just another way of saying I want to coom with you. Eventually it all settles down and you get bored. No more emotional connection.
Humans like novelty, and over half of marriages fail. There really is no such thing.

>>11478955
>hurr durr i wanna have kids
>NOOOOOOO there is more to life to getting your dick wet
>you goddamn incel how dare you say there isn't
Are you losing it? You're not making sense here

Anonymous Tue Mar 17 23:16:39 2020 No.11478985
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>>11478962
>>11478966
Being asexual, all I hear are 2 things
1. You're not normal.
2. You're so lucky

Please give me a dollar every time I hear the exact same thing

I. Am. A. Sex.Ual
Which means
>cannot relate with tfw no gf
>does not get depressed over no gf
>no fantasizing over marriage
>no interest in women or men. AT ALL

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 23:18:16 2020 No.11478988 And if you're wondering, yes. I waaaaaay too invested in learning over getting some pussy. I like history, literature, and science.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 23:19:44 2020 No.11478993 >>11478939 Fucking true

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 00:06:06 2020 No.11479118 >>11476604 >list of most pretentious and arrogant fags by rank About right

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 00:51:42 2020 No.11479221 >>11478985 You hear those two things because they're true. You have a mental disorder, and some may think that you are lucky to have it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 00:52:42 2020 No.11479222 >>11476604 what about geosciences and civil eng?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 00:56:38 2020 No.11479230 >>11479221 Oh, cry my a river. I ain't fucking you

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 01:00:53 2020 No.11479239 >>11479221 Who cares?

Anonymous Wed Mar 18 01:01:44 2020 No.11479242

>>11476604

If people don't have an education in history or politics (civics, I guess) then you have a truly ignorant society. The same is true for economics and law, as well as, and most importantly, philosophy.

The problem is that majoring in these things at a university bears poor job prospects so no one does so. But the knowledge is needed as a bare minimum to have a functioning society.

IMO extend the high school curriculum for 2 years and cover all of these at a basic level (as well as sciences if wanted) just so we stop living with such a fucking ignorant population.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 03:57:48 2020 No.11479555 File: 130 KB, 509x572, you_seem_upset.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11479230 no you are a mental case, your responses have shown that nutbag

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 04:31:33 2020 No.11479583 >>11479555 Sure, simp Whatever

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 04:35:06 2020 No.11479587 >>11479555 By the way. is this your thread? >>11476513 Most of us here don't care about sex. Kindly head back to r/atheism, niceguys, or whatever

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 05:12:11 2020 No.11479634 >>11479583 Quit derailing my thread retard

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 05:18:14 2020 No.11479642 >>11479634 Point at the simp

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 05:35:59 2020 No.11479662 >>11476706 where do we put biochemistry then

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 05:45:12 2020 No.11479675 >>11478708 You do realize that the difference in these institutions is the level of research being done. Also, how does your own dick taste, especially after being so far up your ass?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 05:46:06 2020 No.11479676 what actually makes you happy?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 05:49:38 2020 No.11479680 >>11478876 Good on you anon for studying something that you enjoy. Don’t listen to these bitter stem fags. Coming from a stem fag myself, humanities are often underlooked yet important in today’s society

Anonymous Wed Mar 18 05:52:18 2020 No.11479684

>>11479675
Not even him but, institutions aside, Harvard's been notorious for spewing out useless spoiled brats.
Tokyo U and Korea's 3 university does not discriminate on who gets to enter but everyone knows that you can just buy a Harvard diploma these days

I don't like those Asian U's either by the way. Their student have huge suicide rates for a reason

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 06:04:45 2020 No.11479705 >>11479684 Yea I know, American education has been going to shit. And those spoiled brats like >>11476784 think they’re above everyone else when anyone can learn the same material if they were so inclined

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 06:19:27 2020 No.11479724 >>11479676 Nothing. After cooming 5 times a day for years I feel nothing

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 07:08:13 2020 No.11479796 What tier is dentistry?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 07:11:39 2020 No.11479801 >>11476604 Move computer science down.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 07:23:02 2020 No.11479812 >>11479801 comp sci is the only top tier one if we're talking career opportunities

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 07:35:25 2020 No.11479822 >>11479796 it's right there in top tier on the OP

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 07:44:54 2020 No.11479828 English should be put as shit tier. Go to Asia as a native english speaker with a tefl certification and enjoy being treated like a god for a few years at least

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 07:57:12 2020 No.11479839 People like you are the reason why Webster was forced to declare "selfie" as the word of the year and nigger talk is considered acceptable

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 07:58:14 2020 No.11479842 >>11479839 Meant for >>11479828

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 08:12:12 2020 No.11479868 >>11476604 What about classics

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 08:14:20 2020 No.11479874 >>11478876 Because you can get the same education for 2$ at the local library

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 09:43:14 2020 No.11480075 No. >God Tier Law, War, Theology >Top Tier History, Philology, Poetry, Engineering, Medicine, Architecture, Sculpting, Painting >Mid Tier Maths, Physics, Philosophy >Low Tier Music, Cuisine, Business, Economics, Political science >Shit Tier Technology

Anonymous Wed Mar 18 09:50:14 2020 No.11480089

>>11478901
Don't listen to the fucking college students in this thread, a CS degree is plenty fine if that's what you enjoy and what you want to do as a job.
If your goal is simply to make the maximum amount of money, unironically get a business minor with whatever thing you're interested in. You want to be a manager, not a technical type.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 09:52:58 2020 No.11480097 >>11476604 Oh boy, it's the daily "20 year olds jerk themselves off about their major" thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 10:01:55 2020 No.11480112 >>11478939 >Literally Discarded.

Anonymous Wed Mar 18 11:43:46 2020 No.11480293
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>>11476604
>>11476626
I never see Veterinarian in these rankings.
I think I must be the only vet in /sci/, perhaps in all of 4chan.

I have an IQ of 148 (oficially tested, not those bullshit online tests), so I guess I could have pursued options like Maths, Physics, Econ, either aiming for a more profitable career or for a Blue Sky research field... but to be honest I am happy.

It's comfy as fuck, it's fulfilling, I run my own practice, I'm my own boss, I get to be with doggos and kots all day, and if they are fucked and all options are exhausted I never euthanize them but refer the owners to other vets who can do it, because honestly fuck doing that shit on the regular.

tl;dr - Money is bullshit, prestige is bullshit, parental pressure is bullshit, disregard your obstacles and people telling you what you do, and you just do your thing. What matters is being passionate and persistent about what you want to do. The lowliest-paying career can get you very far if you are passionate and good at it. There are historians publishing books and hosting their own TV shows. The worst thing you could do is getting into a career you don't enjoy or care for.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 12:20:18 2020 No.11480375 >>11480293 >I have an IQ of 148 Cattell >I could have pursued options like Maths, Physics Sure >Money is bullshit, prestige is bullshit Good goy

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 12:21:58 2020 No.11480383 >>11480293 keep in mind that these rankings are mostly done, or cited by dumbass undergrads seeking justification for their career path. just do your own thing and be happy doing it >perhaps in all of 4chan. >>>/an/ ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 15:11:17 2020 No.11480819 Agricultural Science is at least mid tier

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 15:13:37 2020 No.11480828 >>11476626 not even a modicum of a source on this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 15:21:30 2020 No.11480851 >>11480293 Please link me to your blog

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 15:22:33 2020 No.11480857 >>11480828 reddit

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 20:42:21 2020 No.11481841 >>11476612 you are a glorified monkey with a typewriter

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 21:17:44 2020 No.11481896 >>11476604 Civil engineering is a severely underrated field and entirely necessary to a functioning society.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 21:18:23 2020 No.11481897 >>11476626 actual sperg no medicine, blatantly obvious it would shit on all your "median starting salary" plus women love doctors inb4 >b-b-bu-but engineering is so chad r-r-right??

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 21:32:48 2020 No.11481926 >>11481897 >caring about what women like >wanting to be a doctor for money >"why, yes, I do want to spend my entire life prescribing meds"

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>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 18 22:45:48 2020 No.11482077 >>11478901 Post your program

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 01:29:51 2020 No.11482405 >>11481841 t. retard who thinks computer science = programming

Anonymous Thu Mar 19 01:37:59 2020 No.11482420

>>11478962
>Humans are a sexual species designed for sex, asexuality doesn't exist retard degenerate
Humans that survive to the next generation are "designed for sex." Of course asexual people exist, they just won't spread their genes. Learn basic evolution.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 01:45:45 2020 No.11482439 >>11482420 >things that don't want to reproduce can exist >learn basic evolution

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 02:03:17 2020 No.11482471 >>11478962 99% of the average persons sexual activity doesn't result in reproduction, theres also tons of coomers who dont want children. Funny how sexuals like to pretend their degenerate lusts are for something productive.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 02:29:33 2020 No.11482527 File: 32 KB, 530x492, CF-k9JAUEAAhvqg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11476604 >Artist >Speaks 5 languages Guess I'm on waste of life tier then, huh?

Anonymous Thu Mar 19 02:40:12 2020 No.11482536

>>11476604
>Mathematics and Physics are top tier
See the problem with those two is you have to have no life to pursue a career in playing with numbers all day and trying to do dumb shit that has no grounds in reality like stacking klein bottles, playing with logarithm functions, doing theoretical physics when its nearly impossible to test these theories in real life, and other fake hypothetical bullshit. If it wasn't for shitty popsci then those two would be homeless.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 02:47:18 2020 No.11482548 >>11482536 They pretty much are homeless. I would put physics into mid tier

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 03:02:58 2020 No.11482572 >>11476626 Why is the median higher than the starting median? This graph is not fully labeled so I think it’s bullshit. Is the green median averege life time salary? Median after ten year? Or median of everyone now working in that feild?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 03:06:59 2020 No.11482577 >>11477626 MIT isn’t a clown college, but Harvard 100% is status based.

Anonymous Thu Mar 19 03:14:52 2020 No.11482585

>>11478876
Oh boy oh boy. You got scammed kid. History departments are disappearing country wide. It’s shit tier Becuase the chances of you getting a tenor track or a proper research position are approaching zero. You basically have to had graduated from Harvard and be a scarecrow (outstanding in your feild).
> As long as I can spend my career deep-diving into Roman politics,
How are you going to get funding to do that?
Not sayings it’s right, it’s just how fucked up the system is. You are going to be in your mid 30s having to move every year for a new grant that pays very little just to move a year later, you friend and social life will be shit because of no money and no long term residence. I am not even talking about comfy gentile poverty, I am talking real poverty.
Sorry.
I only type this to warn others, not hurt you. Research grants and tenor track positions get 200 applications, everyone thinks they are going to be the winner, they won’t be. Everyone thinks they will be the exception.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 03:16:55 2020 No.11482588 >>11479634 Seriously? It’s a bait thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 03:19:38 2020 No.11482594 >>11482536 Like most of these tier lists, it makes no effort to separate undergrad from phds. A bachelors in Physics is lower tier than a bachelors in economics, but not so for a PhD.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 03:19:41 2020 No.11482595 >>11476626 >criminal justice pays more than psychology Lmao!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 03:24:47 2020 No.11482604 At least you guys are not fucking translators. Jesus.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 05:09:40 2020 No.11482794 How to become compooter engineer?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 05:22:22 2020 No.11482818 >>11482794 Get a programming certificate or finish a programming course in blah blah blah language

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 05:39:13 2020 No.11482837 >>11478744 CMU, Berkeley, MIT

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 06:02:10 2020 No.11482871 Move mathematics to shit tier. Pure mathematics is gay... if anything comes out of mathematics it’s going to be a physicist dicking around anyways. Also put geology in waste of life tier

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 08:11:31 2020 No.11483049 File: 2.93 MB, 1716x1710, philosophy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11476604 >philosophy mid-tier cringe and bluepilled, hopefully when you turn 18 you'll learn to ask questions

Anonymous Thu Mar 19 08:18:56 2020 No.11483058

>>11480293
Money still matters if you don't want to suckle off of your parents' teats and live in debt until you're 40. A major like physics or engineering, even if you enjoy it slightly less than a communications or music degree, will usually benefit you far more in the long run.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 08:58:47 2020 No.11483125 >>11483058 How retarded does one need to be to enjoy communications more than fucking physics lmao

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 11:34:39 2020 No.11483379 >>11483058 I know guys that had this same thought process and got into careers they hated to make money, ended up dropping out

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 12:12:28 2020 No.11483459 >>11482577 Your average MIT nerd wouldn't last 2 years in an euro engineering school

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 13:16:45 2020 No.11483603 >>11483459 This is only true for a single French school, Polytechnique.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 13:31:17 2020 No.11483638 >>11483603 If that's true then why don't we ever see tons of scientific breakthroughs coming out of Polytechnique?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 13:38:04 2020 No.11483660 >>11480075 >>>/his/

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 16:36:52 2020 No.11484029 >>11483638 Because it's an engineering school, the breakthroughs come from ENS Ulm (all of the fields medals from France, except Grothendieck, so like 12 fields medals from alumni, vs 0 from MIT's alumni L M A O)

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 16:46:43 2020 No.11484048 >>11483638 You're clueless about how French higher education works, aren't you?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 16:48:43 2020 No.11484054 >>11476604 don't lump biology in with philosophy and theology, at least we aren't retarded snobs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 17:25:24 2020 No.11484165 >>11476604 Why is mechanical engineering excluded, I can see why civil would be excluded (Not as much math but still an incredibly important position to society so they shouldn't be shit on) but why mechanical?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 17:37:50 2020 No.11484195 >>11476604 >Medicine above Computer Science Are you kidding me?

Anonymous Thu Mar 19 17:57:05 2020 No.11484259
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>>11478962
>>11482420
>>11482439
Gays and asexuals exists in every mammal, avian, and even insects like spiders tend to do non-reproductive reproduction

It's not "normal" in a sense but they aren't uncommon either
Such a thing is a paradox against Natural Selection

The prevaling theory is kin hypothesis wherein, while gays and asexuals won't pass their genes, they would still continue to provide for the family and tribe.
Hence, the community that has, and allows, the genes of a non-reproductive person to exist have a higher chance of reproducing and spreading the "gay gene"

We can see this a lot of these on social animals like orcas and elephants wherein their leader is often the oldest. And by old, I mean too old to have any chance of reproducing
Natural selection should force the herd that allows only everyone to be reproductive to exist but a social community that specializes on different roles can bend the roles

Tld:dr
Community with gays = has extra hands that adds no extra mouth to feed = more likely to survive

Community without gays = extra hands but also extra mouth = more resources to spend.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 18:55:14 2020 No.11484474 >>11479684 MIT is essentially asian.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 19:10:38 2020 No.11484499 >>11482837 They look like any europoor CS program, probably better teachers but still shit programs. Computer science is not a real subject that belongs in academia. It should be studied at trade school.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 19:15:05 2020 No.11484506 >>11483125 Based. Lets take a second to think about how shitty communications is and how better the world would be without them

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 19:17:36 2020 No.11484515 >>11478901 Go for EE, cool ass maths and cool ass circuits. >EE >complex analysis >any fourier you can dream of

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 19:24:16 2020 No.11484533 >>11476626 Based Philosophy

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 20:28:00 2020 No.11484698 >>11483125 Comms course teaches journalism, reporting, documentaries, movies, radios, and literally almost everything on the media - both printed and not

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 20:32:16 2020 No.11484714 >>11484533 >Tfw wanted to do philosophy but cucked myself into engineering

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 23:47:02 2020 No.11485115 >>11484533 >>11484714 >Philosophy majors have a 10% unemployment rate Nevermind, back to cuck STEM I go.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 23:52:14 2020 No.11485123 >>11476604 What's wrong with Mechanical Engineering?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 19 23:58:17 2020 No.11485140 Biology and Medicine would bump Physics and Math to Mid Tier because of how little funding they Physics and math are and how worthless their PhD's are.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 00:01:37 2020 No.11485144 Why is compsci, philosophy and biology in mid-tier with fucking theology and astronomy? This guy is just butthurt lmao

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 00:16:21 2020 No.11485180

>>11478945
>rejecting sex is a superhuman task
No, no it isnt. It is exercising basic self control that used to be expected of you by the vast majority of your peers in western society for the majority of history.
T. Catholic man in chaste relationship, ie both me and my gf reject sex on a daily basis. Most of my friends do the same thing, most devout Christian's and muslims I know do the same thing, and not a single one of us is superhuman. People who self identify as volcel are the most disgusting types of incels(in denial).

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 00:22:50 2020 No.11485198

>>11478955
You are doing great anon more power to ya. Follow your fucking dreams and you will attain them. People will always be critical of others not doing what is societally expected of them. Screw them and go for it anyways. I know quite a few people who have turned their hobbies into their careers through extremely hard work and faith in themselves, and every single fucking one is happier than damn near any average joe caught-in-the-rat-race type I've met. If you live in america, you can seek out a living for your family no matter what, even if you have a fucking 8th grade education, so if all else fails fuck it, there is always normal work to fall back on. Shoot for the stars.

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 00:35:48 2020 No.11485233

>>11476604
In terms of salary, not even close. In terms of intelligence, also not even close. I, pursuing my MS in math, know a lot of fucking retarded math and phys grad students and postdocs. The smartest man I've met in my life was unironically a philosophy phd who dropped out of academia permanently to be a hermit in Spain and write novels. Deciding your major based on 4chan memes is actually just an outright bad decision. Think about where you want to be in life nonstop for at least 2 months. If you are a praying man, pray on it an hour a fucking day, this is 4chan you are probably a neet anyways so no excuse. If where you want to be s a profession that requires a specific degree, get it and bust ass to get there. If where you want to be just involves having a degree, get a degree in the subject you love most. Dont waste college studying some shit you hate and dont waste your life in a profession you hate. If money is what you are worried about, nut up and learn how to earn some fucking change. Paint some houses, put some shingles on a roof, dig some ditches. I was making 50$ an hour at 19 painting fucking fences, just learn how to be your own boss. Education is for it's own sake, not for profit, and especially not for academic bragging rights.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 00:57:37 2020 No.11485299 >>11485180 Is it still rejecting sex if you fap to nudes of your gf?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 01:47:54 2020 No.11485445 >>11480293 happy for you man

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 01:57:04 2020 No.11485467 whats the criteria for each tier?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 02:05:35 2020 No.11485490 Did a bitter dentist did dis list?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 09:07:47 2020 No.11486131 >>11482439 Yes they exist through random mutation and are unable to pass on their genes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 09:12:42 2020 No.11486135 >>11482439 Individuals that can't reproduce arise randomly in a population but can't pass on their genes. So yes they exist and don't contradict evolution. You might be one of them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 09:13:54 2020 No.11486136 >>11476604 >Theology in the same tier as biology Lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 10:14:02 2020 No.11486227 >>11485233 >I, pursuing my MS in math, know a lot of fucking retarded math and phys grad students and postdocs. Probably not in pure math or theoretical physics, there's a power gap between those and applied math / experimental physics

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 10:24:35 2020 No.11486242 >Philosophy and Psychology are anywhere but top tier This cuck thinks maths are special cause his mum called him a good boy when he passed a times table quiz

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 15:22:31 2020 No.11486881

>>11476604
I like computers. I also like computer programming. (I know computer science is not just computer programming.)

If I were to study at a top-50, Canadian university, would you recommend computer science or computer engineering? I stipulate a top-50 university like McGIll, University of Toronto or University of British Columbia. Do respectable computer science programs exist? Do respectable computer engineering programs exist?

I don't want to end up being a JavaScript programmer or writing Android applications in Java. Which major would be best for me? How do electives work? Can a CS major become an embedded systems engineer?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 15:33:41 2020 No.11486907 >>11485123 >>11484165 OP got cucked by a chad ME major in college

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 15:48:35 2020 No.11486931 File: 125 KB, 1050x1657, 1542667970747.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11486881 computer engineering is always superior

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 16:18:11 2020 No.11487011 >>11476604 I wouldn't want to live without Literature and Art desu, I find it hard to believe other people feel differently

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 17:05:47 2020 No.11487132 >>11476626 >computer science >median under 50k sauce?

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 17:08:34 2020 No.11487137

>>11486881
>>11486931
every EE and CE major i've met moved to software

>I don't want to end up being a JavaScript programmer or writing Android applications in Java
i write java apps for a living, i want to move to scientific computing or creating hardware accelerators for research but that's a massive pay cut

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 17:10:26 2020 No.11487143 >>11476604 >History shit tier No wonder american culture and politics are a fucking joke

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 17:12:34 2020 No.11487148 >>11476604 >chemistry more like stamp collecting >engineering more like retail

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 17:15:21 2020 No.11487151 Ah yes the famous thing to get a degree in, "Teacher"

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 18:23:46 2020 No.11487319

>>11486881
>If I were to study at a top-50, Canadian university, would you recommend computer science or computer engineering?
No. Computer Engineering degrees are much more math intensive, they require diff eq, linear equations, a calculus based physics curriculum. Also you'll learn the fundamentals of electronic circuits, computer organization and architecture, and lots of embedded systems programming.

Everyone I know who did CS is doing CRUD apps, but I know CEs working all over the place, automotive, healthcare, and top tech firms working on fundamental improvements to internet infrastructure.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 18:40:30 2020 No.11487353 >>11487319 CRUD apps pay better unironically. this likely may stop being true in the near future, but there is a recent small wave of softwarefags moving to hardware. if shit hits the fan in tech, expect it to grow

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 18:43:42 2020 No.11487363 biotech is best desu

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 18:55:18 2020 No.11487393

>>11487319
my CS programs requires all of the classes you mentioned (including two semesters of calculus based physics, linear algebra, digital logic, architecture) aside from embedded systems, and additionally requires a bunch of theory classes like algorithms / automata theory, two semesters of discrete math etc.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 19:00:55 2020 No.11487408 File: 297 KB, 836x1136, 1545867157172.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11487393 pic related fwiw my uni's cs program was much higher ranked than it's ece program. people would drop out from cs into ee or ce

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 19:49:59 2020 No.11487531 File: 112 KB, 1000x1000, 345665985793.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11487353 anon said he doesn't want to be a code monkey though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 20:45:56 2020 No.11487653 >>11487011 studying it in uni is somewhat questionable given the position uni has in modern society >>11478712 if you're american you will literally make more money for less effort than everyone else here

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 21:21:09 2020 No.11487768 >>11485115 6% actually Higher than Mass Media and Liberal Arts Philosophy is under rated. A lot of businessmen speak of how the course thought them how to properly sell their crap in the most convincing way

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 21:22:14 2020 No.11487773 File: 7 KB, 679x427, 1420713818057.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11476626 >education Teachers shape the future of mankind yet they are treated like this

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 21:27:29 2020 No.11487792 >>11487773 teachers at rich schools get paid quite well and have very strong backgrounds just don't be poor

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 22:25:27 2020 No.11487938

>>11487408
I was only pointing out that you're spreading misinformation and making generalizations. I never said a CS degree is more rigorous than any other degree (discrete for example is simple, although some of the upper level theory classes can be tricky) but who cares? undergrad is a joke.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 23:41:21 2020 No.11488130 >>11487792 You know your people is suffering when only the rich have access to good educators

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 23:42:51 2020 No.11488138 >>11487792 You know your people are suffering when only the rich have access to good educators

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 00:17:59 2020 No.11488211 >>11476604 medicine is overrated, people working in the labs is where most of medicine happens

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 00:29:04 2020 No.11488236 If you divide medicine from the ones in the hospital, I can agree But doctor and nurses are not overrated as, on average, more of them have ptsd and depression than soldiers on the field yet no one seems to care

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 00:30:14 2020 No.11488238 >>11488236 Forgot to qoute>>11488211

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 15:51:59 2020 No.11489896 File: 16 KB, 300x300, this maggot is correct.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11488138 That and healthcare. Unironically.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 15:59:01 2020 No.11489915 >>11480293 Based vet-sama >>11480375 Would you be able to live without your resentment?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 16:05:54 2020 No.11489936 >>11476604 As a chemist I was shocked it was at the top

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 16:29:02 2020 No.11490002 >high tier Anything done competently and with great diligence and effort >low tier All else

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 16:42:17 2020 No.11490032 >>11476604 philosophy should be higher than god tier and Im an engineer

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 17:04:30 2020 No.11490092 >>11478876 ignore everything on this page. it's a load of crap, made by a bunch of insecure virgins.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 17:29:54 2020 No.11490143

>>11476604

God tiers:

Public sector: PoliSci

Private sector: college/professional degree in b.admin or business/finance/econ
degree+networking if daddy and mommy are rich and you're not a social reject

Trades: trade degree

education/research: education

entertainment industry: dont need a degree, you need talent and practice

Other skill/knowledge-based specializations, refer to >>11476626 , but also to your heart because money isn't everything.

If money is everything: business/finance/econ

Everything else is shit tier.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 17:34:51 2020 No.11490152 File: 538 KB, 692x677, 1567826948746.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11476604 >low tier >teacher you ungrateful bastard

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 17:38:37 2020 No.11490161

>>11490152

what makes teaching low tier isn't the teaching as much as it is the drought of talented people.

but a smart person can find the pearls.

Edu is a top tier career choice. 9 to 4, hour lunch break, tenured, surrounded by soon to be 18 year old thotts that will fuck you for booze because they have daddy issues.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 17:51:05 2020 No.11490189
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>>11490161
>surrounded by soon to be 18 year old thotts that will fuck you for booze because they have daddy issues.
what are you, a faggot?
if I become I teacher, I would teach 7-14 year olds. girls are prime around age 10-11.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 18:10:26 2020 No.11490246 >>11476604 Neuroscience is highly overrated. Because of the fact that so little is truly known about the subject, a LARGE number of so called experts are nothing but public speakers that brag about insignificant or highly over-extrapolated research.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 18:23:11 2020 No.11490275 >>11490143 You say money is everything but engineers make more money than econ, business, and finance. I'm looking to do computer science and economics. >>11487653 I live in Canada

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 18:24:24 2020 No.11490279 >>11490189 Found the mentally disabled. I suggest you take psychology

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 18:26:12 2020 No.11490285

>>11490246

University itself is overrated.

If you're going, you should be going either because you're some sort of star student, want to be in Science, Law, Politics or Technology or mommy and daddy are paying for you to go.

if you don't know what you want to do, business is the most versatile degree you can get.

otherwise, you can penetrate any field with a 1-2 year degree/certification and climb your way up by being competent, dedicated and pleasant to be around.

You'll be working from the time you're 18 to the time you're 50-65 (depending on how smart you are, assuming you're not some sort of rothschild or saudi prince's son or a woman that can just marry well) and you WILL start at the bottom because a degree does nothing but
kind of guarantee you'll get a f2f interview rather than have you resume be sent right to the shredder so pick something that interests you and get climbing early.

if mommy and daddy will let you stay home as long as you want, i don't know why you'd do anything but part time work up to your 30s/40s, bernie style. just party and fuck high schoolers

>>11490275

engineers will NEVER make more money than management. you go into engineering, best you'll do is be head of whatever engineering division you've spent you're whole life working in. you will reach a ceiling that you'll find very hard to break once you reach it.

out of school, sure. but then again, engineering is a very competitive and difficult field, if you're not a woman or a dude clever enough to get himself to be taken seriously when you say you identify as one, so best of luck with that. if you're not a star student, top 1%er, you will not be working in silicon valley for google or amazon, you'll be working at a power plant in tennesse making tennesse money.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 18:28:17 2020 No.11490288

>>11490285

>if you don't know what you want to do, business is the most versatile degree you can get.

followed by polisci, which is, imo, the most fascinating field of them all.

you can easily pivot from public to private. did you know google and facebook have a govt. and public affairs division? you can even go private with that degree.

theyre about equal but poli sci is very fascinating.

they have the best women in those classes too (assooming here, i never got the chance to go to uni)

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 18:29:30 2020 No.11490291 >>11490288 >>11490285 just pointing our i was replying to myself here to add more to my post. re-reading it, it looks like im samefagging, which i wasnt trying to do

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 18:32:43 2020 No.11490301 >>11490143 Law and Economics are better for public sector than Political Science.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 18:37:19 2020 No.11490314

>>11490301

You're completely correct, I'm strongly biased for PoliSci and I let my biases affect my judgement, I'm sorry.

I always found it weird to get a Law degree and apply for something that's not a legal position though. Is my perception wrong about this? Is a Law degree that highly valued by Talent Acquisition?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 19:19:03 2020 No.11490418 >>11481897 Doctor's have next to no lives though, are on call 24/7, and most end up with serious mental issues right out the gate. Being a doctor to get some poontang is like getting Baker Acted so you can by a pistol (at least in America).

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 19:40:02 2020 No.11490482 >>11490314 Law graduates are fit for bureaucratic work, too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 20:20:48 2020 No.11490557 >>11485233 >I was making 50$ an hour at 19 painting fucking fences Shut the fuck up please.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 20:35:32 2020 No.11490606
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>>11490285
You go to university if you want to get payed more. You can sprout your crap about working harder or whatever but its bullshit. It's a fact that going to university gets you higher paying jobs. Don't be a retard and go to university kids.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 20:38:07 2020 No.11490615 >>11490606 correlation =/= causation An education does not guarantee you a job. The type of people that are able to attain high paying jobs often attend university. Very different than the picture you are painting.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 20:46:17 2020 No.11490642

>>11490606

Not really. You don't make more money with a degree. You just get the interview, then you show them you're not a shithead and you can do the job. Then you get hired.

The applicants without the degree get the shredder.

You get paid as per the salary pay scale. You start at the bottom.

You go to university if you got a free ride, either through academic performance or through rich parents. Otherwise, you just shoot out your resume and hope you get the job.

Work hard, get promoted internally. Internal applicants will always get the job over external ones, unless they're shit at their job.

Entry level positions are entry level positions and they pay like shit, degree or not. It just means TAPs won't shred your resume immediately when you apply.

Most positions will either REQUIRE a specific education or will prioritize people who have some sort of education, in which case, 4 years progressively responsible professional experience + professional references beat out a degree, especially if you networked effectively, had good performance and you're applying internally. If you're extra smart, you went to night school and got some extra papers.

It's just an elitist gatekeeping mechanism meant to push poor people into trades or dead end work such as the service industry. It doesn't get you more money or a better job, it just gets you that competitive entry level job but 4 years later with min. 100k in debt.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 20:48:35 2020 No.11490648
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>>11490615
Are you really going to sit here and tell me that having a degree isn't going to increase your chance of getting hired? Nothing guarantee's you a job but a degree sure as fuck increases the chance.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 20:52:08 2020 No.11490661
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>>11490642
>You don't make more money with a degree
Wow thats so weird, so if having a degree doesn't make you more money then why do people with degree's tend to get payed more then people without?

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 20:56:48 2020 No.11490671

Wtf is this even measuring? Disgraceful coming from a science board
Most likely made by a virgin autist who cannot get into aesthetics, history, and philosophy. I spotted one at the uffizi once and it was disgusting, these creatures should be culled. Watching them trying to understand historiography is even more pathetic

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 20:57:18 2020 No.11490673

>>11490648

Degrees don't, experience and qualifications do.

Degrees just don't you in the interview, assuming no internal employee was promoted into the job and the posting wasn't just for show.

>>11490661

Nice statistics. Why do women make 70 cents on the dollar compared to men?

Oh right, because it's global and not specific.

Trust me, I make the same amount of money as my coworkers with industry-specific degrees.

We both started in the exact same entry-level position and we're both getting promoted at similar times, I know I'm getting promoted because of my performance. I have 15 months professional experience making the same income as my coworkers with industry-specific degrees, but I have no debt. Looking at a promotion next month (TBD with COVID moving our project deadlines) and I'll be making as much as those positions I couldn't get an interview for because they require a degree. 4 years + debt vs less than 2 years?

Hmmm

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 20:59:11 2020 No.11490679 >>11490648 >bachelors is only 2.1% less unemployed than high school grades Why bother?

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 20:59:40 2020 No.11490682

>>11490648
When making momentous decisions for my own life I wouldn't bother with broad strokes statistics in which midwits like you cannot separate correlation from causation. Going to university is essentially a gamble. Let's ignore reality and pretend, like in your dream world, university just has a blanket 10% increase to get a job and 15% increased wages once you get it. That still is far from a no brainer to go, you have to figure out how much it costs, what else you would do in those 4-7 years if not in uni, where you want to live, etc. You not only are committing one of the stupidest mistakes in statistics (mistaking correlation for causation), you are completely ignoring all other factors.
>get degree
>hello mr. hiring manager, here is my degree, I would like to exchange this for 1(one) job please
>job approved *stamps paper*
That ain't how the world works son.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 21:04:53 2020 No.11490698

>>11490682

Statistics also don't take into account personal decisions.

Seriously, why do people still use statistics as arguments in 2020? Unless you're a politician analyzing your constituents to make informed decisions that will affect all of those constituents simultaneously, statistics are useless to you.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 21:14:33 2020 No.11490719

>>11490673
>degrees don't...qualifications do
You do know what a degree is right?
>Oh right, because it's global and not specific.
Stats about the US from the U.S Bureau of Labor statistics are global now?
>Trust me, I make the same amount of money as my coworkers with industry-specific degrees.
Yes there's also rappers that didn't graduate that are making millions your point?
>We both started in the exact same entry-level position and we're both getting promoted at similar times, I know I'm getting promoted because of my performance. I have 15 months professional experience making the same income as my coworkers with industry-specific degrees, but I have no debt. Looking at a promotion next month (TBD with COVID moving our project deadlines) and I'll be making as much as those positions I couldn't get an interview for because they require a degree. 4 years + debt vs less than 2 years?
You're experience isn't universal, why do you think statistics exist? Are you actually this delusional?
>>11490682
Hey what's the full line? Yes, I understand correlation doesn't imply causation (Everyone does, it doesn't make you smart) but are you seriously going to ignore that they get employed more? Do you really think that someone who's hiring people would hire the person that doesn't have the degree over the one who does? Are you honesty living in this fantasy world where credentials don't matter? I never said having a degree guarantee's higher pay or employment, but are you really going to sit here and claim that education doesn't increases your chance at employment? You're the one living in a fantasy world, degrees increase your chance at employment and increase the pay you have. There are obviously other factors to getting employed but having a degree is a huge one, even if you don't want to admit it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 21:16:03 2020 No.11490720 >>11490698 >Why do people use statistics as arguments... Oh, this entire argument was useless because you are either a troll or an actual retard.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 21:23:14 2020 No.11490732

>>11490719
>Do you really think that someone who's hiring people would hire the person that doesn't have the degree over the one who does?
I know that for a fact in my case, because I do not have a degree, while most applicants for my position including my immediate coworker have masters degrees. Is my case normal? Of course not, but in navigating my career, do you think I ever looked at general statistics to help my decisions? No. That makes 0 sense to do for any given case/person. What are you going to do, go to the interview and remind them to add a 15% boost to their consideration? Now if you were self aware enough to know you are a midwit, like you, and have 0 personality and no signs of exceptional talent, you may consider that you have to mass apply to hundreds of jobs, in which case whatever slight edge comes from a Uni degree may end up being +EV. It's still extremely difficult to calculate the EV though unless you know exactly what you would do careerwise if you do not go to Uni and where you would be on that path at the same time you finished your education.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 21:29:31 2020 No.11490748

>>11490719

Again, explain why women make 70 cents on the dollar compared to men?

You're the retarded one . You haven't actually proven that anything I've said is incorrect.

>degrees don't...qualifications do
>You do know what a degree is right?
Unless you're going into Stem, Law or Education, a degree is not qualifications. You don't have experience if you're straight out of college, moron. This is what managers look for, they don't even care about degrees. You ain't getting that CEO position even if you're the only applicant. They'll wait for a dude that has experience, with or without a degree.

You can read all you want about it, but until you've done it, you've never done it. You can try to convince TAPs otherwise, but you're still starting at that entry level position, you're not getting the job over the dude that's been at the company for 4 years while you were in college and did fantastic work while he was there.

Degrees have only two purpose: getting access to jobs that REQUIRE a degree & impressing low level Talent Acquisition Partners who were hired to sift through resumes all day long. They are probably people from your classes anyways, because entry level positions will always be low paying entry level positions. Unless you were top 1%er in an Ivy League school and did something noteworthy while you were there, you ain't getting that Google internship that turns into a full time position offer.
And if you are a top %er that does noteworthy accomplishments, then what do you need a degree for? Get to work now and get promotions, if money is what you really want. Education is for fun or for people who are ready to commit the rest of their lives to a specific industry, which is not a choice anyone is qualified to make at 18 having only held a part time job at McDonald's.

Enjoy your debt.

Since you love statistics so much, why don't you find me:

Job Satisfaction by Education
Salary Satisfaction by Education
Career Progression by Education

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 21:50:46 2020 No.11490795

>>11490748

Cont.

Speaking of 1% ivy leaguers: all those high paying tech companies in silicon valley? a lot of them started by dropouts.

The more people get higher educations, the less valuable (but the more expensive) the degree becomes. Degrees are like Crypto, really.

Education is a business, don't get it mistaken. An education is like joining the Military, you can't blindly listen to the recruiters or what the recruiting campaigns says. The value of things is dependent on the individual, not on statistics that don't account for individual circumstances.

We're not debating federal policies here, we're debating individual choice, so your off-topic national statistics have around 0 value.

I'd love to see an age comparison of that above graph you posted too. The only way to move up and make money: get experience, increase performance and be recommended by your superiors.

All those high paying degrees are so competitive due to "midwits" like you falling for the marketing that anyone who's not an exceptional applicant will not have any advantages when competing against the bigger talent pool. The more valued the degree, the more the professors will encourage their star pupil to go there too, so already the odds are against you. All of this skews that data towards degree = more money but really it's just evidence of grooming and scholarships.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:01:00 2020 No.11490821

>>11490732
>Is my case normal? Of course not
Then why even bring it up? You look at general statistics to make informed decisions because guess what, most people aren't special
>>11490748
>You don't have experience if you're straight out of college, moron
Yes I agree if you didn't do internships during college it'll be harder to find a job then if you did do internships.
>This is what managers look for, they don't even care about degrees
You're literally living a fantasy, when most jobs have it a requirement to have a bachelors degree are you really going to tell me they aren't looking at degrees?
>You ain't getting that CEO position even if you're the only applicant
A person with a degree isn't getting a CEO position unless they start their one start up, if you think otherwise you're delusional. Also this entire rant is dependent on the idea that people with degree's don't have experience. You know you can do internships in uni right? Then you have to decide between someone with a degree and experience vs somebody with only experience.
>You can read all you want about it, but until you've done it, you've never done it. You can try to convince TAPs otherwise, but you're still starting at that entry level position, you're not getting the job over the dude that's been at the company for 4 years while you were in college and did fantastic work while he was there.
I mean I guess? It's not like people with degree's are even getting these positions most of the time so I don't even understand your point here. You seem to be having a misunderstanding here, most of the jobs people without degree's have aren't jobs that people with degree's have, that's why you see a difference in average salary. This is a fact and to deny it is ignoring reality. If a job's requirement is to have a degree someone without a degree isn't getting it.
>Degrees have only two purpose: getting access to jobs that REQUIRE a degree
A.K.A most high paying jobs

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:08:29 2020 No.11490840

>>11490748
Cont.
>They are probably people from your classes anyways, because entry level positions will always be low paying entry level positions
Too bad most people without a degree aren't even getting these low paying entry level positions.
>Unless you were top 1%er in an Ivy League school and did something noteworthy while you were there, you ain't getting that Google internship that turns into a full time position offer.
Obviously most people aren't getting these positions but a person with a degree definitely has a higher chance then a person without so I don't even understand your point here.
>And if you are a top %er that does noteworthy accomplishments, then what do you need a degree for?
Hmm I wonder why most top %er have degrees? It's a true mystery.
>Get to work now and get promotions, if money is what you really want. Education is for fun or for people who are ready to commit the rest of their lives to a specific industry, which is not a choice anyone is qualified to make at 18 having only held a part time job at McDonald's.
Oh I get it, you hate University so you act like it's a terrible decision to make. Let me guess High school filtered you lmao
>Enjoy your debt
Enjoy never getting pass 60k salary for your job
>Speaking of 1% ivy leaguers: all those high paying tech companies in silicon valley? a lot of them started by dropouts
Name more then 3
>Education is a business, don't get it mistaken
I understand that, that's not a point against it being a smarter decision then not going to college though.
>An education is like joining the Military, you can't blindly listen to the recruiters or what the recruiting campaigns says
Ok? I don't see your point here.
>The value of things is dependent on the individual, not on statistics that don't account for individual circumstances.
Obviously if your individual circumstances make it so not going to college is a choice (I can't think of a single one but hey theoritcally maybe?) then you shouldn't go.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:17:07 2020 No.11490858

>>11490795
Cont.
But lets not sit here and act like Degree's don't increase your chances at employment and a higher salary.
>We're not debating federal policies here, we're debating individual choice, so your off-topic national statistics have around 0 value.
>Off-topic national statistics have around 0 value.
This is literally a brainlet take, are you seriously going to tell me statistics on employment and pay differences of different levels of education are off topic to whether or not you should go to college? You're telling me statistics that show people with lesser education tend to have higher unemployment and a less average pay are off-topic? You're literally being retarded right now, must be because you didn't take a proper stats class.
>I'd love to see an age comparison of that above graph you posted too. The only way to move up and make money: get experience, increase performance and be recommended by your superiors.
Do you seriously think someone with a degree and experience is making less then someone with only experience?
>All those high paying degrees are so competitive due to "midwits" like you falling for the marketing that anyone who's not an exceptional applicant will not have any advantages when competing against the bigger talent pool. The more valued the degree, the more the professors will encourage their star pupil to go there too, so already the odds are against you. All of this skews that data towards degree = more money but really it's just evidence of grooming and scholarships.
Are you seriously this stupid? This entire paragraph makes no sense, I don't even know what you are trying to say here. Are you trying to say it's hard to get accepted into a program? High paying degree's are not as competitive as people make it out to be. Literally just get a decent sat score and don't go under a 3.0 gpa. What the fuck is wrong with you, do you really think it's hard to get a CS degree from a shitty state school?

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:21:35 2020 No.11490868

>>11490821

>You don't have experience if you're straight out of college, moron
>Yes I agree if you didn't do internships during college it'll be harder to find a job then if you did do internships.

Even if you did an internship, I have 4 years experience, you have 6-8 months. Unless you did your internship on Wall Street or Silicon Valley, I win. But if you blindly listen to the marketing memes like the good lemming that you are, you're competing against a huge amount of people and a disproportional amount of gifted individuals who were encouraged there by their teachers.

So really, picking those top degrees is a mistaken if you're not exceptional, you are wasting your time getting mediocre notes are mediocre university and getting mediocre internships. If you ARE exceptional, why go for a degree? Get an entry level position and be exceptional, your managers will love you and ensure your career progression, your bonuses and lack of debt will speak for themselves. Start networking and, within a few years, you can contact a recruiter directly on LinkedIn and move into progressively better companies, until you end up at Google.

>You're literally living a fantasy, when most jobs have it a requirement to have a bachelors degree are you really going to tell me they aren't looking at degrees?

Most jobs you see on job boards are for show. Internal applicants or people with internal referrals will always be hired over you. TAPs when they run software to send 1 000 resumes to the recycle bin. Then out of the 20 that are left, they select the 5 best and set up and interview. The manager knows within 15 seconds of shaking your hand if they will hire you or not. They do NOT care one bit if you have a degree or not, they want to know you can do the job (a degree is not experience)

pt 2 coming

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:32:43 2020 No.11490893

>A person with a degree isn't getting a CEO position unless they start their one start up, if you think otherwise you're delusional

Wrong. A person without a degree can get it. I know people who are executives who don't have a degree. Just because statistics say only a few percentage of people achieve it, doesn't mean it's illegal. Again, you're not explaining WHY they're not getting it. There is no magical barrier that stops people from getting CEO unless they have a degree, this is the private industry we're talking about. Managers DGAF about your 15 year old degree.

>A.K.A most high paying jobs

Wrong. Literally making the same income as my "educated" peers, same/faster career prog and bigger bonuses because I'm a top performer. "High Paying Jobs" you mean those hotshot lawyers and traders in new york or hotshot google engineers. Again, skewing data. Ignore those guys, you're not in the same class as them, you're comparing apples to oranges. If you're a fucking star pupil running on the dean's list with 10 scholarships or you've got a trust fund, go for it my dude, university was made for you. Unless you're going STEM, Law or Medicine, which is a bad decision if you have no support, you can ignore those salaries too.

So now you're left with all the other non-elitist industries and companies. Looking at salary scales, I'm making more than jobs that require 5 years experience and a bachelors working at my current job with less than 2 years experience on the job market and no degree. I'd have to take a 10-15k pay cut to get those jobs, and I would have but I can't get a call back. I mean the market is oversaturated with people who have degrees and are taking jobs that should be going to people without degrees.

pt 2/4

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:33:56 2020 No.11490898

>Too bad most people without a degree aren't even getting these low paying entry level positions.

It's almost as if a lot of people getting degrees lowers it's value. It's almost as if managers don't care about degrees, they will promote internally or people with internal references first HMMMM.

>Obviously most people aren't getting these positions but a person with a degree definitely has a higher chance then a person without so I don't even understand your point here.

Your chance is either 1 or 0. What sets you apart is how you do in your interview. Your best bet? Get that shit job that graduates don't want and work your way up. You will be making more money than them by the time they graduate.

>Hmm I wonder why most top %er have degrees? It's a true mystery.

It's almost as if they get groomed there and get free rides. You still ignore the fact Facebook was founded by a dropout. It's almost as if this proves that degrees have no real value but you won't accept it because "muh majority". Still ignoring indivudual circumstances.

>Oh I get it, you hate University so you act like it's a terrible decision to make. Let me guess High school filtered you lmao

I do hate university, it's a waste of time and money. I'm outperforming my educated peers. I can take college degrees that will improve my actually work quality, such as a Microsoft Word /Excel class, rather than an Uni econ class which will not help me promote whatsoever.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:34:57 2020 No.11490901

>Enjoy never getting pass 60k salary for your job

I'm surpassing it right now with less than 2 years experience because timing, performance, likeability, etc. All *true* job skills they don't teach in college. When you get your yearly performance review, do they look at your education or do they look at your performance? I wonder. I know for me they don't give a fuck that I don't have one.

>name more than 3

I only need to name one to prove that your statistics are bullshit: Mark ZuckerBerg, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs.

>I understand that, that's not a point against it being a smarter decision then not going to college though.

It's not smarter just because the average starting income is higher than high-school accessible careers you fucking dope. what a fucking sucker, you're just so fucking brainwashed by the "degree holders are better" mantra. I can't blame you, bet you never had a fucking job in your life. Trust me, when I work with someone, I care that they're nice and hard working, I don't fucking care if they went to uni.

>Ok? I don't see your point here.

My point is you're just repeating what you read in the brochure, you're just pitching university to me right now. You're doing a sales pitch to a guy who earns more than entry level positions that REQUIRE degrees.

>I can't think of a single one

Because you're a sucker. I'm living one. For the record, I am signing up for continuing education night/weekend classes just to put me above my peers and improve the quality of my work. I don't need a degree, I just need to impress my managers and they will bat for me.

4/4

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 22:42:24 2020 No.11490924 >>11476604 I think I'm gonna do ee but why mech not god tier?

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 23:37:33 2020 No.11491028

>>11490868
>>11490893
>>11490898
>>11490901
Ok bro, just remember I have actual statistics backing me up while you have anecdote evidence. Also
>Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Steve jobs prove my statistics wrong.
You clearly don't know how statistics work. I'm giving you facts and you write them off by saying that you succeeded without a degree and that those statistics are bullshit or whatever. I mean whatever bro, you got lucky but the average person doesn't get lucky enough. Outliers don't disprove statistics, I mean c'mon you brought up facebook as if that's a point? You seriously think the average person without a college degree is on the level of a Harvard drop out that made a billion dollar business? You keep bringing yourself up, that's not how stats work. That's the biggest issue I have with you, you keep calling me a midwit when you don't understand basic fucking statistics. It's literally a proven fact that college graduates make more and get employed more so I don't understand how you could argue against it, but it doesn't matter neither of us will change our opinions on this so this entire argument is useless. I'm done, I won't be responding anymore.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 23:45:02 2020 No.11491045

>>11491028

Cool you have national statistics

good luck with your policy development

except youre advising individuals to make their decisions based on averages that include apples and oranges

still ignoring the gender wage gap? cant explain that?

here's the thing bozo, i've already explained to you that statistics aren't enough to reach conclusions, but glad you're making all your life decisions based on 1 graph.

you also refuse to show me the other statistics of job happiness, salary happiness and progression, but that's fine, you got your 1 image you posted so you win. lol.

i guess im imagining making more money than graduates because your jpeg says so. okay guy

big brain stuff

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 00:07:11 2020 No.11491108

>>11491028

And no, my point is exactly that most people aren't Mark Zuckerberg and a college degree won't change that. you won't get your super high paying google job, you'll be making a normal wage, or possibly less than someone who has 4 years experience, promotions, industry connections, etc.

remove the shooting stars and zuckerbergs form the pool, remove the losers and dredges and people like you from the no-degree-no-money losers list, and you'll see that any talented person without a trust fund is making a mistake going to university, if the goal is make the most money in the least time possible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 01:12:12 2020 No.11491237 >>11482405 Good job, so you do useless shit. Programming is the useful part of comp sci

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 01:14:21 2020 No.11491246 How retarded do you have to be to not realize mechanical engineers can work in almost any engineering field

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 06:31:25 2020 No.11491684 >>11477626 >>11483459 >>11483638 Stupid kraut.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 17:08:40 2020 No.11492900 Where is Architecture?

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 17:44:52 2020 No.11492989
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>>11476604
How shitty is my CS program on a scale 1-10 and should I switch to mathematics or physics?
>Year 1
Intro CS, Technical Writing, Algebra, Functional programming, Algorithms and Data structures, Single Variable Calculus, Linear Algebra, Digital Logic and computer architecture, Logic and proofs.

>Year 2
Automata Theory, Imperative and objectoriented programming methodologies, Numerical Analysis, Operating systems and process oriented programming, Combinatorics, Probability and stats.

>Year 3
AI, Databases, Computer communication, control theory, advanced algorithms, Compilers, Multivariable Calc, Linear Algebra 2, Introduction to Machine Learning, Thesis project.

>Electives
High performance computation
Low level parallel programming
Language abstractions for concurrency models
Markovprocesses
Statistical Machine learning
Natural computation methods for ML
Mechanics
Electromagnetism
Low level parallel programming
Optimization
Combinatoric optimization and constraint programming....(Over 200 electives from all over STEM)

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 17:47:27 2020 No.11492997 >>11492989 it's not bad. don't make a judgement call like that because someone on 4chan told you to.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:33:36 2020 No.11493149

>>11476604
>>11492989
Because this guy asked fuck it I'll ask too, does my CS program sound good? We take Calc 1-3, Linear Algebra, Discrete Mathematics, Abstract Algebra, Intro to Comp Sci 1 and 2, Computer Systems, Analysis of Algorithms, Elements of the Theory of Computation, Fundamentals of Computing Systems, Formal Methods, Advanced Algorithms, Modern Algebra 1, Modern Algebra 2, Intro to Differential Geometry, Intro to Analysis.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:42:22 2020 No.11493180 >>11493149 more mathematically rigorous than most.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 18:50:10 2020 No.11493207 >>11476604 >Art >Design Take that back!

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 21:02:52 2020 No.11493495 >>11491045 >>11491028 imagine wasting so much time of your life arguing over stupid shit with an internet stranger who will not even remember the argument in a week

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 21:10:44 2020 No.11493517 >>11476604 Sure kid, get back here next week for the next definitive one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 21:20:22 2020 No.11493540 >>11476604 correct except the list is reversed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 21:26:47 2020 No.11493548 >>11476604 >music shit tier >everyone here listens to music every day Theres no kind of human we take for granted more than a musician. That being said, I agree since most musicians are shit tier pop singers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 21:36:17 2020 No.11493580 >>11493180 No it isn't, that's what every CS degree is. The people on this board don't realize CS degrees are more mathematically rigorous than almost every other STEM degree other than pure math and physics.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 21:47:39 2020 No.11493593 >>11493548 Doesn't matter if we listen to music or not. Trying to get a music degree or education is for bums.

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 22:24:37 2020 No.11493688

>>11478412
Teaching is a joke. Anyone who is actually worth 5 cents in the economy should be able to teach themselves anything out of the book.

A good teacher who is able to teach some fucking monkey brained retard to do algebra to a competent level has accomplished NOTHING. That ape is going to enter the work force and realize how fucking stupid he is and get spat right back out.

Teaching is a stupid career.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 22:33:53 2020 No.11493703 >>11493580 I'm not even trashing CS. I just never see programs required to take abstract algebra or analysis in addition to all of the algorithm classes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 22:43:25 2020 No.11493732 >>11493688 Did the teacher slapped your wrist again for not doing homework?

Anonymous Sun Mar 22 22:44:02 2020 No.11493733

>>11493703
Ya most CS degree's aren't really that rigorous even >>11493149 isn't dubbed a CS degree, it's effectively a CS degree buts it's actually called Computer Science and Mathematics. It functions as an actual math heavy CS degree separate from just a normal CS degree my school offers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 22:53:30 2020 No.11493755 >>11493733 For what it's worth, I still think a proper CS program is rigorous, but found the requirement of abstract algebra, differential geometry, etc. interesting and unique.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 00:36:33 2020 No.11494005 >>11476604 >Theology not in Waste of Life Tier >Medicine not in mid tier

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 00:43:49 2020 No.11494019

>>11484165
Yea I was going to ask this as well. There are shitloads of electrical engineers and the job outlook isn't looking good for them. ME is apparently on the rise. I suppose these guys think they will be making new discoveries while engineers just apply what we know to real life. In reality they will probably end up as a teacher.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 07:34:39 2020 No.11494666

>>11493732
You know I'm right. Teaching is worth nothing. That's why they get paid nothing.

When I see teachers is the news going on strike because they don't get paid enough, I like to think of WNBA players who complain about why they don't get paid enough.

They aren't worth anything.

In all honesty, think about it. What can a teacher do that a truly smart person can't do in a library all on their own?

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 07:46:42 2020 No.11494686
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>>11494666
Turn the 99% not-so-smart into a functioning person, that's what

Do you even know how the real world works, you fucking pseud?
Library nerds are less than 1% of the world and that's a good thing for their soft-hands are useless in the real world.

Spend an hour in the ghetto and listen to their chatter of the common folk then tell me why teachers are not needed
Or spend an hour reading posts on twitter and reddit. Those people have the same voting rights as you do and yet they are so stupid

Oh, if only there is a solution.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 09:15:27 2020 No.11494871

>>11493688
I agree, retards will always be retards regardless of how good a teacher is, thereby making the whole career completely pointless. Heck, I've already heard arguments about how good teachers should be rewarded, but the quality of the teaching would be determined by students' outcomes. To leftists this is a genius idea but redpilled people know that in this scenario, poor neighbourhood with high concentrations of blacks = game over, making the job unfair on top of that

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 09:49:05 2020 No.11494924 >imo 1. Philosophy 2. Pure Mathematics 3. Theoretical Physics -power gap- Everything else

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 09:50:44 2020 No.11494926 >>11476604 >biology higher than law 0/10

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 10:23:34 2020 No.11494986 >>11476604 Why is Finance shit tier??

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:07:31 2020 No.11495176 >>11494924 Philosophy is giga shit tier since philosophy is pretty much 'solved' - no new novel ideas have come out for 50 years now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:15:18 2020 No.11495193 >>11476604 Man I wish philosophy was mid-tier from an employer standpoint. I would have studied that instead of finance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:34:39 2020 No.11495245 >>11476604 Physics is elder god tier

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:36:30 2020 No.11495249 >>11476784 There's no evidence that university selectivity significantly correlates with income once IQ is controlled for

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 12:42:17 2020 No.11495271 >>11495249 >rigor >income download the syllabus for a real analysis course at stanford and compare with university of iowa if you’re still confused

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 14:41:27 2020 No.11495504 >>11476604 any trade is above everything in god tier

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 14:57:12 2020 No.11495528

>>11494686
All of those people had to go to at least some school during their high school years. Didn't do anything for them then and college will do nothing for them now.

You need to remember that intelligence is a significant factor in where you go in life and those minorities in the ghetto aren't going anywhere. Let's say a teacher is able to get those kids to make their way through some business degree or something equally as stupid. When that kid goes to get an actual job where the business' money is on the line, that dumbshit is going to get spat out very quickly.

As for the point about not being able to do anything, name something you can't learn on the internet? I am going to Berkeley this fall and living situations down there for someone who doesn't have any money is abysmal. So I built a campervan completely on my own with an electrical system, plumbing system, and HVAC system all from shit I read on the internet. Not a thing came from some dumbass humanities teacher.

There is NOTHING a teacher could have done to help those retards figure out their own intelligence.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 15:02:14 2020 No.11495541

>>11476604
Why is math God tier and languages waste of life tier?
I would argue it could be quite the opposite. People who go for Maths 99% of the time become losers, or have always been. They only like to talk others down thinking they're the most intelligent people out there, while everyone laughs at them. They know people joke with them, and they would say "look at these unintelligent guys making fun of us, they're jealous because they're not as clever as we are". I have some news for you, I don't think anyone would be jealous of being able to remember some crappy formulas that you'll never apply in real life. They still have to lie that they went to the moon, and they won't go again to prove it, because "there's no need, it costs so much". Little fuckers.
In the other hand, people who went for Languages just live life without much stress, they read some books here and there, learn about many things while still being active in their field. While there may not be many options for jobs, you can still write things about your favorite hobby and live out of it. So in the end, you just write about things you like, and you can change that any time you want.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 15:27:02 2020 No.11495604
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>>11495528
Oh suuuure.
I'm sure that being teaching yourself would totally produce results that are comparable to a person who is honestly passionate in sharing every information he learned through the years and studied many different ways of teaching people based on what methods are most effective and enjoyable.
Just look at how we are totally using the internet for "useful" things and not for shitposting and porn.
LMAO.
Do you even know how small is a child's attention span?

>retards would always be retards
Ah, yes, progress is not real

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 15:47:59 2020 No.11495654 >>11495541 mathematics is the language of the physical realm

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 15:49:43 2020 No.11495660 >>11495654 Language is the language of someone who has common sense

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 15:51:15 2020 No.11495665 >>11495660 I didn't agree with your first post, but this post in incredibly based

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 16:05:05 2020 No.11495703

>>11476604
This Tier list or whatever is incredibly vague. What are we ranking these majors based off of? Are these comparing graduate level or undergraduate level courses? Factors like these drastically change what tier these majors are on. The top tiers are dominated by stem majors and since God tier has math and physics we can tell it isn't based off of employment or pay ( I don't know much about the employability and pay of Chemistry majors so I didn't mention them, and Yes I know Physic and Math majors get employed in finance and as actuaries but most don't and statistically speaking these majors have way higher unemployment and lower pay then other majors in the top tier and mid tier list). So with stem majors dominating the top maybe the list is based off of difficulty, but then why are philosophy (and by extension theology, theology is without a doubt philosophy) Mid tier? These majors can definitely be harder then some of the top tier majors. Since I'm assuming we're talking an undergrad level Economics isn't really that difficult in undergrad it only started to add a lot of math at the grad level, so I guess it can stay in Low tier. What doesn't make sense here is Medicine and Biology being higher then law. What makes these difficult is the amount of memorization, but law has just as much memorization. So then it can't be based off of difficulty or law would be equal to biology or medicine. Also Dentist? Dentists are usually just biology majors just like Lawyers are usually Law or Political Science majors. What I'm trying to say here that everyone knows is that this list is arbitrary lmao.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 16:15:12 2020 No.11495720 >>11495703 It's probably some 18-19 year old who will be a virgin for the next decade or two, and he lists them based on nothing, but just what he thinks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 16:16:32 2020 No.11495725 >>11495541 Can I save that as pasta. Also I pity you for never being able to experience the beauty of mathematics, especially meta-theoretic results like Lindström's theorem are really something to behold.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 16:17:57 2020 No.11495729 >>11495725 Feel free to do that. You'll be surprised that every other field has "something to behold", you just never heard about it.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 16:18:34 2020 No.11495731
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>>11476604
>Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry, Engineering, Medicine, Neuroscience, Dentistry, Pharmacology & Toxicology, Astronomy, Computer Science, Philosophy, Biology, Theology, Teacher

Merely hobbies of the Economist

Keep coping, NERDS!

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 16:20:45 2020 No.11495738 >>11495731 Based Retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 16:20:54 2020 No.11495739 File: 47 KB, 500x352, Akane ecchi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11495725 Study math and you become the annoyingly pretentious guy. Study languages and you get to enjoy untranslated titty games.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 16:44:59 2020 No.11495798

>>11495739
Why is it in your mind some exclusive choice between mathematics and languages or whatever ? It takes some arrogance and ignorance to think that mathematicians only focus on mathematics and have no hobbies or interests besides it. I enjoy watching Bernard's version of Les Misérables just as much as I do reading Der Mann ohne Eigenschaften. It's just that I also really enjoy mathematics. Most mathematicians I know are well versed in many subjects, they just happen to love mathematics more.
>>11495729
Very few subjects offer the versatility, applicability and surprising philosophical depth that mathematical results can deliver. The only other subject that shares the purity of thought with mathematics is unsurprisingly philosophy. Only in these two subjects can you build and express something profound and beautiful with just your mind, a pen and some paper.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:14:37 2020 No.11495859

>>11495798
Do you honestly think writers or people who study biology or chemistry have no imagination and that they are not able to "build and express something profound and beautiful"? Or anyone else for that matter.
You're just showing that you have no idea what other fields do, or what people who study them go through, and also proving that the "arrogance and ignorance" you mentioned are more accurate for "God tier math anons", and not for everyone else.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:21:50 2020 No.11495871

>>11495798
>build and express something profound and beautiful with just your mind, a pen and some paper.
This is gay. Tis' better to be an experimentalist who presents observations and conclusions drawn from the derivations of Mother Nature's own doing. It is much less sterile than the sophistry of maths and philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:43:06 2020 No.11495915 >>11478412 >>11493688 Perhaps your argument can be solved by replacing the word "Teacher" with "Mentor".

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:46:22 2020 No.11495921 >>11495604 If you have an IQ of 80, no amount of schooling will make that IQ increase. I think maybe you should have majored in something else. It's not too late to change.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 17:52:23 2020 No.11495938
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>>11495921
Look at the amount of kids in the entire school
Look at the amount of kids willing to do research at the library.

That's the amount of kids who would totally do some "learning by themselves" through the internet without a teacher

Teachers are there to ensure, discipline, and enforce unto children the lessons they would need inside and outside the academy. A few library nerds who are independent from teachers are the exception - not the rule.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 18:04:06 2020 No.11495961 What? You know schooling has demonstratively been shown to increase IQ right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 18:05:07 2020 No.11495963 >>11495961 Oh I mean to link this guy >>11495921

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 18:09:01 2020 No.11495972

>>11495938
That's just not true. There exists people who are ambitious all on their own. Look at the stereotypical business moguls like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Cuban, etc. These people are incredibly driven all on their own. Although these people may be the outliers in terms of success, I believe that there are many smart people can put themselves out into the world without teachers.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 18:12:55 2020 No.11495986
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>>11495972
And the overwhelming 90% of people are stupid sloths who wouldn't be of use to society if not for the teachers who endured low salary, not OT, extreme stress, and ungrateful fucks like you just to polish them.

Be a dear and say thank you to the teacher.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 18:15:03 2020 No.11495998 >>11495986 >not OT I mean "No OverTime pay"

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 18:15:25 2020 No.11496001

>>11495921
I haven't been replying to you, but you appear to be pretty stupid. Not expecting you to understand anything at all, just telling you that maybe it's not too late to change the way you think, and maybe read somewhere on the internet how to increase your IQ, since the teachers can't do it.
>>11495972
The people you have mentioned are 3 out of 8 billion. You can be lucky and get super rich even in one day, but that doesn't mean that if you have been to school, you will never be that guy. Not sure if you're the same anon as the other one I replied to, but I wish you good luck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 22:03:21 2020 No.11496414 >>11495961 Prove it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 22:07:38 2020 No.11496427 >>11476626 This is almost exactly the inverse of each degree's civilizational necessity.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 22:10:37 2020 No.11496433

>>11495986
To be honest with you man, I don't have an issue with the people who teach, I have an issue with the profession itself.

I got lucky enough to go on an internship to AMES research center and one of the engineers there gave me a piece of aerogel. I gave that aerogel to the professor who wrote my letter of rec and she is one of my favorite teachers to this day.

I feel like there should be large repositories of knowledge made available to the public. It should be well maintained, heavily researched, and most importantly free. The reason teaching is such a dog shit profession is because there is NO need to pay someone 80k a year to do something that I can do myself alone on the internet.

If you are the kind of person who doesn't get it on your own then you won't get it when you are out in the workforce.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 22:15:17 2020 No.11496439 >>11476604 to me, english is a foreign language. so oyur logic is shit. gr8 b8 m8

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 22:38:14 2020 No.11496487 >>11496414 Proof right here https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797618774253

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 22:46:36 2020 No.11496509 >>11496487 >"This correlation could be interpreted in two ways: Students with greater propensity for intelligence go on to complete more education, or a longer education increases intelligence." You didn't read this did you?

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 23:14:53 2020 No.11496555

>>11496509
You clearly didn't
>We meta-analyzed three categories of quasiexperimental studies of educational effects on intelligence: those estimating education-intelligence associations after controlling for earlier intelligence, those using compulsory schooling policy changes as instrumental variables, and those using regression-discontinuity designs on school-entry age cutoffs. Across 142 effect sizes from 42 data sets involving over 600,000 participants, we found consistent evidence for beneficial effects of education on cognitive abilities of approximately 1 to 5 IQ points for an additional year of education
>we found consistent evidence for beneficial effects of education on cognitive abilities of approximately 1 to 5 IQ points for an additional year of education
Just in case you don't know how to read, the correlation between higher education and IQ had already been discovered, this was a study to see if Education actually increased IQ or if it was just that students with higher IQ tend to go for education. Obviously the former was discovered so either you didn't read the excerpt or you were too stupid to understand it.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 23:16:20 2020 No.11496559

>>11496509
>>11496555
Oh just in case you didn't read the rest
>Moderator analyses indicated that the effects persisted across the life span and were present on all broad categories of cognitive ability studied. Education appears to be the most consistent, robust, and durable method yet to be identified for raising intelligence.

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 23:25:30 2020 No.11496573

>>11496555
Those results are of correlation between populations of higher education and higher IQ. There were no results of the same person who would have an IQ of say, 103 go to college, get a bachelor's, and them come out with an if of 108. If you pay for the when study you can see.

Basically, you're retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 23:27:06 2020 No.11496575 >>11496573 Whole study*

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 23:36:31 2020 No.11496589

>>11496573
>>11496575
>I'm the retarded one because when I see a study that proves that education increases IQ
Bro, you're literally being retarded here, I've posted explicit proof that education increases IQ and your response was to call a peer reviewed study bullshit because the results are of correlation between populations of higher education and higher IQ (This doesn't disprove the study btw, I don't know why you think it would.)
>Across 142 effect sizes from 42 data sets involving over 600,000 participants, we found consistent evidence for beneficial effects of education on cognitive abilities of approximately 1 to 5 IQ points for an additional year of education.
Here's an explicit statement from the study saying that education increases IQ. This was also peer reviewed so the study is accurate and isn't bullshit. There is nothing wrong with being wrong, but if their is evidence being shown to you and you ignore it you're being retarded.
also
>If you pay for the when study you can see.
There is no point in paying for the study to see it, it's been peer review so I can trust that the abstract is right

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 23:43:02 2020 No.11496604 >>11476685 >accounting to mid tier Explain

Anonymous Mon Mar 23 23:47:31 2020 No.11496610

>>11496589
It's not about the abstract being right or wrong. My point is that in this study they sampled differing IQ points of people who had degrees and didn't. They noticed that as the education got higher, the IQ got higher. It was not true that the same person would get an increasingly higher IQ as he or she got increasingly higher levels of education. Again, if you buy the whole study you can see these results for yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 23 23:57:59 2020 No.11496626 I have a CompSci degree and it's such a fucking awful industry. I'm going to go back to school and become an engineer. Fuck this.

Anonymous Tue Mar 24 00:03:37 2020 No.11496639

>>11496610
Wow, you actually didn't read the abstract did you? Quick question do you know what quasiexperimental means? I'll define it for you, it's a study method used to determine causal relationship. Now they meta-analyzed the following quasiexperimental studies. estimating education-intelligence associations after controlling for earlier intelligence. This means they they studied the connection between education and intelligence, but controlled for earlier intelligence, those using compulsory schooling policy changes as instrumental variables, aka it wasn't their decision to drop out of school so you can't say an increase of iq is correlated to want to continue education, and those using regression-discontinuity designs on school-entry age cutoffs, regression-discontinuity being a quasieexperiemntal method this is basically saying they did a causal study on school-entry age cutoffs. These three experiments are used to determine the causal relationship between education and iq, and after a meta analysis is done on them it was shown that getting educated increases your iq. You keep talking about buying the whole study but you didn't even understand the abstract. The fact that you think the study was just sampling differing IQ points of people who had degrees and didn't means you didn't even read the abstract so I'm going to be honest with you I don't believe you even bought the study.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 00:12:31 2020 No.11496663 >>11476604 lmao, there's only 2 tiers. God and shit. There is only 2 things in god tier

Anonymous Tue Mar 24 00:21:33 2020 No.11496683

>>11496639
You need to read over your posts at least once before hitting submit. I have a very hard time reading your grammar.

You haven't refuted a single one of my points. They didn't actually control for earlier intelligence in any SINGLE individual. Actually paying 600,000 people to take an IQ test before and after college is expensive and unrealistic. So they compared vast swaths of people in the same community who didn't go to college and vast swaths of people in the same community who did go to college. They consider this 'controlling for earlier intelligence' since all of the individuals in question are in the same community, but obviously it's not.

Buy the study and you will see the data for yourself.

Anonymous Tue Mar 24 00:32:47 2020 No.11496696

>>11496683
>They didn't actually control for earlier intelligence in any SINGLE individual
>We meta-analyzed three categories of quasiexperimental studies of educational effects on intelligence: those estimating education-intelligence associations after controlling for earlier intelligence
You're literally lying here, if you have to lie to prove your point, you're wrong.
>Actually paying 600,000 people to take an IQ test before and after college is expensive and unrealistic. So they compared vast swaths of people in the same community who didn't go to college and vast swaths of people in the same community who did go to college. They consider this 'controlling for earlier intelligence' since all of the individuals in question are in the same community, but obviously it's not.
I know you didn't buy and read the study, you wanna know why? Because this isn't the limit of what they did. They applied Regression discontinuity design to prove the causal relationship between education and IQ. So you claiming that was all they did is disingenuous. They meta analyzed the results of the quasiexperimental method they preformed to determine a causal relationship. Do you not understand how studies are done? Stop trying to claim the study was inadequate, if the study was truly inadequate and didn't actually prove the relationship it wouldn't have been published. It would've been denied, and if it had been published somehow it would've been taken down by now if it didn't actually prove their was a causal link between education and intelligence. This is why we peer review papers. Also, I don't really care if you have a hard time reading my posts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 00:39:04 2020 No.11496705 >>11479242 i dont know mate wikipedia gets you pretty far

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 00:43:33 2020 No.11496709 >>11476604 Typical American, denigrating foreign language studies.

Anonymous Tue Mar 24 00:50:30 2020 No.11496721
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>>11496433
> large repositories of knowledge made available to the public. It should be well maintained, heavily researched, and most importantly free.
It's called the Internet.

Funny enough, I share the same story of having no need for teachers and I find them a bother as I learn so much more on my own.
Thing is, I recognize that I, or rather, we, are the exemption. The majority of the people needed a human whom they can socialize with and teach them at the same time

We NEED to pay them higher because there is currently a massive SHORTAGE of teachers primarily because the income is so low to start with. Naturally, the good educators are in an even shorter supply and most likely considering higher paying careers like Doctors and Engineers that are already abundant.

This easily explains why American students have the lowest IQ in the developed western world

They have the most impacting job in the world. It's only natural that it must be paid accordingly

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 00:54:34 2020 No.11496729 >>11492989 I dont know why thse fags dont just shove all the math courses into year 1 and 2. Otherwise, its alright what school?

Anonymous Tue Mar 24 00:56:56 2020 No.11496735

>>11496696
There isn't a link between education and increase in intelligence. You can keep trying to make it seem like the study was thorough enough to make up for the fact that they didn't actually test an individual's intelligence before and after college, but it just isn't enough.

I'm assuming you aren't going to buy the study and see the data for yourself.

By the way, back to the main point at hand, teaching is useless.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 01:00:51 2020 No.11496739 >>11496696 Also, RDD makes absolutely no sense to use in a situation such as this. When you are trying to gather statistical trends it makes sense, but you need discrete data sets in this situation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 01:06:18 2020 No.11496749 >>11496735 >>11496739 Ok bro, just deny the study. Just deny the proof to maintain your world view. Just say it's false, just think that every single expert who reviewed it was wrong.

Anonymous Tue Mar 24 09:09:38 2020 No.11497432

>>11495703
Medicine should not be in top tier but as a medical student who has seen what law students do, our gig is worse than yours. Medicine is memorization on a different level than law. For example, memorising forearm anatomy is a different beast to memorising connective tissue diseases.

Anonymous Tue Mar 24 09:48:32 2020 No.11497487

>>11496729
You don't have to take them in the order I did. It all depends on what courses you want to reach before graduation. We have a lot of freedom to choose w/e we want but we need a "minor" in math. I only did multivariable calc in year 3 because I need it for a machine learning course I'm taking the first year of my masters.
Old European uni, not great like barely top 100 in the world.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 12:43:49 2020 No.11497824 >>11496721 >This easily explains why American students have the lowest IQ in the developed western world lmao you already know why that is

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 13:52:40 2020 No.11497942 >>11476604 >Medicine >Not God Tier lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 13:56:07 2020 No.11497948 >>11488211 Why does that even matter? Most doctors easily pull off 6 figures income each year.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 24 14:22:04 2020 No.11498017 >>11479684 >Korea's 3 university Can you elaborate? Which Korea?

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