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Anonymous Mon Mar 16 22:47:57 2020 No.11476175 [Reply] [Original]

Help, I dont understand implicate order and what it means for consciousness.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 16 22:48:38 2020 No.11476176 >Help, I dont understand implicate order and what it means for consciousness. define "consciousness"

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 16 22:52:40 2020 No.11476184 >>11476176 Self awareness

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 16 22:55:35 2020 No.11476193 >>11476184 Nothing.

Anonymous Mon Mar 16 22:56:43 2020 No.11476195

>>11476175
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>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 16 22:59:45 2020 No.11476202 >>11476195 Where else would it be posted on retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 16 23:02:01 2020 No.11476206 >>11476202 /his/

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 16 23:05:39 2020 No.11476213 >>11476206 It's a concept used to explain quantum mechanics

Anonymous Mon Mar 16 23:14:30 2020 No.11476231

>>11476213
the invocation of “consciousness” in discussions of quantum mechanics is very outdated in the scientific community and only lives on in the realm of newage hippies and ultraliberal postmodernist yoga instructors. they can be safely ignored

the main idea of “natural science” is that we study nature, and the assumption is that nature is not tricking us. the new age idea that somehow nature is tricking us is a crap idea akin to traditional religious beliefs

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 16 23:14:37 2020 No.11476232 File: 71 KB, 401x589, consciousness.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11476176

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 16 23:15:40 2020 No.11476237 >>11476231 t. clueless pseud wtf do you study feminism you retard? Cause you know jack shit about Physics

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 16 23:17:47 2020 No.11476242 >>11476232 So ice is conscious?

Anonymous Mon Mar 16 23:19:20 2020 No.11476245

>>11476231
Why do you assume we can grasp the nature of the universe using only our sensory organs? Bohm proposed implicate and explicate order precisely because he felt that quantum mechanics were merely tools to measure natural phenomena and predict probabilities of phenomena reoccurring in isolated moments and told us nothing about the bigger picture. It's kind of absurd/narcissistic to say "we're doing it right, just shut up and agree"

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 16 23:21:52 2020 No.11476254 >>11476237 actually anon i know a good deal about physics and i know that thinking you are “special” because of “consciousness” is retarded. nobody says that except retard newagers and druggies

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 16 23:23:17 2020 No.11476258 >>11476245 Bohm was wrong. his whole program was motivated by ideological marxism crap anyway

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 16 23:25:25 2020 No.11476270 >>11476258 Anon it pains me that you cant see the irony in your own statement

Anonymous Mon Mar 16 23:34:39 2020 No.11476278
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>>11476270
what? bohm's hidden variables were wrong. he was an avowed marxist and his theories were based on strict determinism in order to accord with marx.

what is your point?

also, pic related

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 16 23:49:43 2020 No.11476306 >>11476278 Interesting didn't know he was ideologically entrenched, but that doesnt itself delegitimize the concept. How would you explain the double slit experiment? Out of curiosity

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 16 23:50:04 2020 No.11476307 File: 848 KB, 749x920, xQ2Yn4X23D7Az4YbQmv7qyCBF.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11476175

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 16 23:53:26 2020 No.11476313 >>11476242 it is http://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 16 23:57:13 2020 No.11476320 File: 2.83 MB, 8000x3169, pathint.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11476306 i don't claim that this is a definitive answer but this is the best answer i can come by (i think it is legitimately how Feynman thought about it)

Anonymous Mon Mar 16 23:59:44 2020 No.11476324
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>>11476254
Oh really? Well thanks for setting me straight anon these new age retards they name scientific institutes after bamboozled me. I am glad there are pre-pubescent undergrads like you to set to tell the rest of us, who are actual scientists, we don't know what we are talking about. Please give me a shout out when you win a Nobel prize and they name an institution and measurement after you when you get out of high school fucking wanker

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 00:04:48 2020 No.11476332 >>11476324 >posts 140 year old quotes >thinks he is cutting-edge >didn’t even read this thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 00:06:00 2020 No.11476334 >>11476332 >t. imbecile

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 00:08:37 2020 No.11476337 >>11476334 good argument anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 00:09:03 2020 No.11476338 >>11476324 >Quotes from dead people without any empirical evidence Cringe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 00:14:59 2020 No.11476349 >>11476338 >>11476337 >>r/Iamverysmart don't come back

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 00:18:14 2020 No.11476352 File: 158 KB, 293x301, fag.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11476338 >>11476337 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX3MUpmD7g8

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 00:19:40 2020 No.11476356 >>11476349 >>/r/iamthatguywhotrollsscience i thought we had a containment board for that, iirc it's called >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 00:22:07 2020 No.11476363 >>11476258 I hate Marxism too anon, but your post is gay desu

Anonymous Tue Mar 17 00:24:33 2020 No.11476369

>>11476356
>we
You are a drooling retard you dont speak for anyone here you pretentious pseud asshat, this is fucking embarrassing.

WE, as in the actual scientists on this board that add value here because we know what we are talking about do have a containment area for you it is called pleebit

>>r/Iamverysmart

don't come back

Anonymous Tue Mar 17 00:25:51 2020 No.11476373

>>11476363
i'm very sorry that you find physics to be "gay". maybe we can set up a safe space on /sci/ for you to feel safe with your own personal views on science. we respect your views, so even if they are objectively wrong you should be entitled to your safe space where objectively wrong ideas are tolerated

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 00:27:29 2020 No.11476386 >>11476369 anon, i can tell you are a NEET. stop larping. >t. postdoc. >actually

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>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 00:29:50 2020 No.11476394 So... how about we drop the consciousness part of the OP and someone can explain implicate and explicate order?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 17 00:32:26 2020 No.11476402 >>11476394 >someone can explain implicate and explicate order? that's just philosofag jargon that doesn't mean anything. don't be tricked by word games

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