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I should have no control over anything. Words, thoughts, and the urge to masturbate should come and execute on their own. Yet I have a say in it. If determinism is true, how do you explain intention?

>> No.11468477

Whether or not you prefer coke or pepsi arbitrarily depends not on the actual qualities of the beverages (both are poison) but on the associated experiences.

>> No.11468480

>WHY AREN'T WORSS COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH WITHOUT ANY INTENTIONALITY?
they are
>I should have no control over anything
you don't
>Words, thoughts, and the urge to masturbate should come and execute on their own
they do
>Yet I have a say in it
You think you do, but you don't

>> No.11468486

>>11468480
The npc meme is real. Projection at its finest

>> No.11468495

>>11468472
You do have free will and everything else you described in any meaningful sense of it. The trick that the no free will crowd does is redefine free will so that its not being determined or contingent on anything. Well of course then you dont have that thing, because your thoughts, decisions are dependent on your life experience, the things and people around you. And then they, like retards, say that this means theyre not actually your decisions or your thoughts.
Reductionism is a meme. Also remember this: all their arguments claim to be based in science, but when you carefully examine them youll realize theyre semantical in nature and literally thr same argument could have been made (and has been made) hundreds of years ago. It has been retarded then, and it remains retarded now.

>> No.11468501

>>11468477
The next time I go to buy soda and am offered that choice, I will simply wait and see if I choose coke/pepsi based on my past exp. If I wait it out without ordering anything, I've proved that I have intention.

>> No.11468502

>>11468495
true. Determinism has weak arguments. Either super-determinism is true, or free will has a non-observable cause.

>> No.11468510

>>11468502
Im not against determinism, Im just saying that nobody has given me a convincing link between determinism and lack of free will.

>> No.11468530

>>11468486
>Accuses others of projection
>His post is literal projection.

>> No.11468534

>>11468530
He literally said no one has free will. Thats literally what being a NPC. Meanwhile I admit to having a free will and I believe so does OP.
Cope harder.

>> No.11468539

>>11468501
This doesn't make any sense, that won't prove anything except that you are a moron

>> No.11468550

>>11468472
>how do you explain intention without a RNG factor in decision making?

>> No.11468551

>>11468534
the NPC is not programmed to know it's an NPC

>> No.11468552

>>11468551
If they themselves admit to being a NPC I'd say it's a good sign that they're a NPC, retard.

>> No.11468558

>>11468552
shows more self awareness than you

>> No.11468569

>>11468486
Yup, that's me!

>> No.11468654

>>11468472
it's all a massively interconnected jumble of cause and effect, with sufficient computing power you could predict a human's actions the same way a meteorologist predicts the weather

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11468661

1 = Eternity
2 = Echo
3 = Infinity

Eternity echoes infinity.

>All communication is a submission to God anyway. Language is original sin, nothing else.

>> No.11468675

>>11468654
>with sufficient computing power you could predict a human's actions
No you couldn't.
>same way a meteorologist predicts the weather
So, not very well?

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11468682

Well divinities do not care about howan audience behaves. They are there to stand for integrity.

>> No.11468687

this is your brain on philosophy >>11468480

>> No.11468688

>>11468654
Meteorologists can't predict the weather and determinism isn't real. The universe is inherently probabilistic/stochastic.

>> No.11468706

>>11468688
How does universe being inherently probabilistic preclude determinism?

>> No.11468708

>>11468675
>>11468688
I don't think it'll ever be achieved but it's theoretically possible.

There is no stochasticity, it's just a convenient way of dismissing the things we're unable to understand

>> No.11468709

>>11468472
Our brains are wired to to come up with it's own thoughts and control your body so the illusion of control may be seamless (if you're mentally well) but everything may have been predestined from the dawn of time if the universe is deterministic.

>> No.11468712

>>11468708
No, particles are inherently stochastic. There is no "Underlying unknown determinism", it is inherently and unarguably stochastic.
From there, butterfly effects and chaos spread these inherently random initial conditions to even more complex and chaotic outcomes. For literally anything that's hotter than 0 kelvin, there is an inseparable element of fundamental true randomness that makes the system chaotic and unpredictable (if you define predictability by saying it must be perfect).

>> No.11468722

>>11468712
All quantum effects are stochastic fundamentally. So it's hard to say whether the universe is deterministic or not until we have a better picture of physics.