/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11463585]

Is there any truth to the smart but lazy trope?

[Anonymous No.11463649]

No, it's a cope on the same level as people who say "i could get a gf if i worked out more and really try". You couldn't - you have an ugly face and you can't change that..
Notice how a woman will never ever say she's smart but lazy. That's because beauty is more important in a woman so they have no reason to cope like that.

[Anonymous No.11463666]

>>11463585
I'm sure there's smart but lazy people, just like there's dumb but lazy people. There's also many smart people who have an obsessive work ethic.

[Anonymous No.11463673]

No. Smart people work hard and get results. Retards cope by saying they could do it too if they tried, but the cold hard facts are the retards don't have it in them to try.

[Anonymous No.11463682]

>>11463666
trips of truth

[Anonymous No.11463683]

>>11463649
What are some copes for women? Besides 'I'm still young' which works for both sexes.

[Anonymous No.11463718]

There are "smart but lazy" people, if you are considering smart their logical capability. However the line is really blurred in this regard considering they might not do anything or care about their intelligence anyway, which can give the impression of them being unintelligent.
If you were to train a lazy person hard enough they'd become intelligent anyway, would they be a smart but lazy person? I'd wager yes. Unless you also try to discipline their laziness away.

[Anonymous No.11463719]

>>11463585
It's one that kids should be made more aware of but for all I know kids in better schools probably are.

Laziness is a really underrated thing and it's something I can see being taken much more seriously and explored more thoroughly in the coming decades. I know several people that are genuinely debilitated by laziness. Be it perhaps a symptom of Depression or something else. Even so they're just wrote off as lazy and left to fail.

If i ever have kids I'll be keen to keep them motivated and confident.

[Anonymous No.11463729]

>>11463683
>What are some copes for women?
"I didn't get the job because of my gender."

[Anonymous No.11463732]

>>11463585
ofc. i'm about to complete grad school at the top of my class and am looking at ways to leech off the welfare state to live as a neet playing vidya and shitposting all day. granted i may not be the sharpest arrow in the quiver, but likely well into the sharper half of the distribution. while i could probably work i just don't see the point anymore. why bother working when you can just exploit benefits if all you want to do is be on a computer all day?

>>11463649
half true. there are smart but lazy people but most use it as a cope. that said rest of that is 100% fact.

[Anonymous No.11463737]

>>11463673
Why try if the results are not worth the investment? Don't be silly.

[Anonymous No.11463738]

>>11463683
chad fucks me so he clearly loves me.

[Anonymous No.11463743]

>>11463683
40 yos still planning to have kids "someday" is a uniquely female thing.
Other copes include thinking Chad actually cares for you or loves you despite every actual speaking to the contrary.
Other than that, I don't know. Women have it extremely good in this gynocentric society. There is almost nothing they have to worry about - everything is taken care for them.

[Anonymous No.11463744]

>>11463585

i have met exactly one person who was smart and lazy in my whole life. a kid that managed to clear the entrance exam for medical school without studying, and then actually managed to drop out of medical school by being too lazy to study for exams
other than that, it's just a huge cope 99% of the time and people that are lazy aren't smart

[Anonymous No.11463745]

>>11463673
what results? wageslaving 40+ hour work week for 60-100k/yr when a house costs 1m? and don't pretend you'll be one of the few geniuses who makes it big with that one app or something and makes money as they sleep. most high iqs live middle to upper middle class lives.

[Anonymous No.11463847]

>>11463585
I could see how being intelligent could become a hindrance for some people. Having things come too easily as a child and young adult could result in developing a poor work ethic. Someone who has to struggle a little bit will have a better understanding of how to apply and push themselves, especially when things get difficult. Ultimately though, I think having an obsession in a certain field is the most important thing. Whether you're average or intelligent, if you're thinking about something for the majority of your waking hours, odds are you're going to become pretty good at it. I know intelligent people who jump from one interest to another, never really becoming good at anything.

[Anonymous No.11463856]

>>11463585
There is. Being smart doesn't mean you give a hoot

[Anonymous No.11463905]

>>11463585
Sure, but if you are smart you will outperform most people even with barely any effort. So if you have shit grades, especially when in highschool or at some shit college, you are NOT smart and lazy, but just lazy

[Anonymous No.11463915]

>>11463585
Intelligence makes people lazy because they can work less hard than their peers and get the same results. Enthusiasm for learning, dedication and hard work are learned.

[Anonymous No.11463919]

There exists smart but lazy people sure, but don't fall into the trap of thinking that "I may be lazy but at least am I smart", because being smart is not a good thing if you do not use it. It's like a car with a powerful engine, but no wheels. A smart but lazy person is no better than a dumb and lazy person, because they behave the same and accomplish the same.

It is also important to realize that there are many versions of "lazy". There is unproductive laziness and there is productive laziness. In my last paragraph I assumed that you meant unproductive laziness. Laziness that makes someone just want to watch TV or play games or sleep, and never do anything productive. But productive laziness is much more useful. This is the property that makes someone work smart instead of hard. Someone who can't be bothered to do menial work the way it has always been done, so instead he writes a script that automates it. Someone who bends rules and takes shortcuts in order to increase the speed of his work. This is not always a good thing either, because it can reduce the quality of your output, but at least it synergizes with intelligence, and indeed if the intelligence is high enough it can lead to extraordinary efficiency and innovation.

[Anonymous No.11463937]

>>11463905
Very true. But it's also true that literally everyone I've known who had good grades is actually smart and never lazy.

[Anonymous No.11463976]

>>11463937
>But it's also true that literally everyone I've known who had good grades is actually smart and never lazy.
Really? I was a 4.0 student in high school with almost no effort. To be fair, that says less about me and more about the difficulty of high school in the USA. College has been a breeze too, but I haven't been taking a full course load because I'm also working. I know many people who are smarter than I.

[Anonymous No.11463985]

what about the "smart but way too sensitive and burn out quickly in the real world so they stay at home and become a neet" type of people?
are those people real? or is that just a fictional trope?

[Anonymous No.11463990]

[Anonymous No.11463994]

>>11463585
People might be predisposes to being smart but unless they prove it somehow there's no way of knowing, and the only way to prove that you are smart is by doing things like getting a hard science degree, achieving in a scientific/ mathematical field etc. To do those things, you can't be lazy. Intelligence is an active process that requires energy and effort, so it simply can't be achieved with no effort or very little of it. In any case, if you don't apply your talents, they may as well not exist, so I would treat it as such

[Anonymous No.11464007]

>>11463994
What about my IQ test? You're telling me I'm not smart!? How dare you! If I could get my parents to buy me a plane ticket, I'm come slap you.

[Anonymous No.11464030]

>>11463976
Did you attend a top 10 college? If not it’s basically highschool 2.0

[Anonymous No.11464047]

I think I’m pretty smart. I apply myself and have a 3.6 GPA. I know if I wasn’t lazy and studied more often (eg eliminate distractions like anime and manga) I’d be in a better position.

[Anonymous No.11464052]

>>11464030
No, because I'm not smart enough. Doesn't that further the argument that school, at least in the USA, doesn't require a lot of effort to excel at?

[Anonymous No.11464214]

I would have to go against everyone on this thread but field marshalls follow a specific guide over how to properly assign roles on people to areas that would benefit everyone

Hardworking but stupid
Lazy and stupid
Hardworking and smart
Lazy but smart

I haven't seen any scientific study challenging this but this is a guide given to people whose line of work can spell death to small mistakes. Even Rommel was follower of it so I'm convinced.

[Anonymous No.11464218]

[Anonymous No.11464253]

Guys, I think you are misunderstanding something
By "Lazy" it doesn't mean that you do nothing all day but sleep and eat. Lazy just means that you are stubborn in following commands and doing everyday chores that you are supposed to do in your field and instead just keeps your energy and time conserved for studying whatever it is that you as passionate about.

Such is why the trope of Smart but Lazy came in. Those people "appear" lazy because their rooms are a mess, they can be unhygeinic, and no amount of enforcing could get them on their feet. The reality however is that they are verydiligent in giving all their power in honing their craft.

If you're the type who excuse yourself as "I can do it if I set my mind to it" then, yeah, you are on the lazy and dumb.

[Anonymous No.11464255]

>>11463585
>is there any truth to Americans who dont love baconators?
That is how fucking stupid you sound

[Anonymous No.11464259]

>>11463683
"Beauty is on the inside :) (when it comes to women and me especially)"

[Anonymous No.11464264]

>>11463585
I think in some contexts a truly intelligent person might be more readily susceptible to conditioning which leads to a sense of futility, and thus they feel overwhelmed or sink into apathy. This is due to understand how things work and where they are and trying to go against the grain too early. "Lazy" is really too vague.

To not fall into the apathy realm you need desire or rage. Deep, deep, unwavering disgusts, disappointment, rage, and the sort of non-compromising my way or the highway brutality required to not get fucked around and led astray. Whether someone wears the chameleon's cloak or not.

So is there a strong association? No. You'd have to define laziness or use a better word. Laziness is like smart, it's relative. Perceived laziness, and relative laziness, doesn't amount to absolute and total laziness. Which gets into value system and all kinds of other "internal organization" shit that my own childhood taught me no one wants to discuss or look at, because the only use is crowd psychology, making stable organizational structures, and manipulating large groups. Which most people find unpalatable, even as it is done to them.

!!!!!

[Anonymous No.11464268]

>>11463737
This. It's not that I'm lazy, I just don't see a point in doing or pursuing anything in life when I'm a 30 yo incel. I was top of my class in high school, I'm not dumb. Why waste my time and energy when I know I'll die a KHHV and not a single soul will miss me.

[Anonymous No.11464313]

>>11463585
Right here. 151 IQ, but dgaf.

[Anonymous No.11465712]

>>11464218
Based

[Anonymous No.11465736]

>>11464253
This

[Anonymous No.11465747]

>>11463585
If trait conscientiousness is any indication, seems normal.
Anecdotally, someone who is very lazy and very smart may wind up being exceptionally unwise since they are generally able to circumvent more hardship on brains alone. They end up sidestepping the life experiences that even the laziest dumb people are forced to learn. I've seen this. It's not like they're more likely to be lazy, it's more like, when these two extremes coexist in one individual, the result is particularly disappointing.

[Anonymous No.11465758]

>>11464313
If you really have 151IQ (you don't), this puzzle would be trivial for you to solve.

[Anonymous No.11465759]

>>11465758
>stating
meant starting.

[Anonymous No.11465761]

>>11465758
Bruh this is easy.
Just put the food on the bottom of the box, the ant will never reach it.

[Anonymous No.11465765]

>>11465761
The box is clearly floating in white space and the bug has sticky fingers. The food can stick to the surface.
You obviously understand what the puzzle is asking for, cheap tricks like that just won't do. I'm gonna need a proper answer.

[Anonymous No.11465774]

>>11465765
Well, it's a box, put the food inside it.
EZPZ

[Anonymous No.11465776]

>>11465774
You must put food on the surface of the box somewhere. This is your last chance to prove you have 151 IQ.

[Anonymous No.11465780]

>>11465776
You win senpai. But I'd love to know if the answer isn't point B on your pic and why.
Also I'm not the person you replied to. I don't even lurk this board.

[Anonymous No.11465783]

>>11465780
It's not B, but I won't reveal why or where it actually is until the 151 IQ "smart but lazy" anon replies.

[Anonymous No.11465807]

>>11465758
>The longest possible path length is L=3+42–√. We label the cube’s vertices 0 = (0,0,0), 1 = (0,0,1), 2 = (0,1,0), … through 7 = (1,1,1). One path achieving length L is 01246537.

>Here are some building blocks to get to this result:

>Vertices have parity: we can color them black or white so that every edge has one of each color. The start and end are different colors.
There are two segment types: edges have length 1 and switch color; diagonals have length 2–√, preserve color, and “use up” the face they’re on (so that the other diagonal on the face is unavailable).
>A path must switch colors an odd number of times, so it must have an odd number of edges.
>The starting vertex is “used up,” and each new segment uses up an additional vertex, so a path has at most 7 segments.
>A path with 6 or fewer segments has length at most 62–√<L. The only possible 7-segment path longer than L (with an odd number of edges) would comprise 6 diagonals and 1 edge. We will show no such path exists.

>In such a path, the 1 edge must come in the middle so that equal numbers of vertices of each color are visited. Consider the “white piece” — three diagonals connecting all four white vertices, and the corresponding “black piece.” The white piece uses up faces in a “C” pattern. The black piece is constrained to using up faces in the complementary C. Now imagine a dotted white diagonal that connects the start and end of the white piece, as well as the corresponding dotted black diagonal. These are parallel diagonals on opposite faces. The four vertices on these dotted diagonals are (a) the overall path’s start and end points and (b) the two vertices we need to join with an edge to connect the path. Setting aside the diametrically opposite “a” points, we are left with two points that are also diametrically opposite Therefore they cannot be joined by an edge, so a path with 6 diagonals and 1 edge does not exist

Too lazy. Just googled it

[Anonymous No.11465811]

>>11465807
Holy shit you're actually retarded LMAO. This is not even close to what the puzzle was asking for.

[Anonymous No.11465813]

>>11463585
Some, but lacking motivation is nothing to be proud of. Laziness is not a virtue no matter how cool you think apathy makes you

[Anonymous No.11465814]

>>11465758
>put food in point B
>right before ant reaches it put it in point A
>rinse and repeat

[Anonymous No.11465819]

>>11465814
Also explode the box so the ant flies to the moon lel.

[Anonymous No.11465824]

>>11465758

[Anonymous No.11465826]

>>11465824
Are you the 151IQ anon? Also describe precisely where the point is, a picture won't do.

[Anonymous No.11465828]

>>11465826
The solution was posted years ago on this board, I didn't save it but I remember the point was on the upper part of the opposite side, right bellow the edge.

[Anonymous No.11465829]

>>11465811
Really?
I googled the riddle and it led me to that answer.

Too lazy for your bs. Just give a riddle that can be answered in 5 posts or make your own thread

[Anonymous No.11465834]

>>11465829
The riddle is simple, 10-11th grade level and can be answered in 1 sentence. Your inability to even comprehend the question suggests your IQ is below 100 and a confirmation that indeed the "smart but lazy" is only a cope used by low IQ people.

[Anonymous No.11465840]

>>11465834
Sure. Whatever.
Can we get the answer now?
You're being an attentionwhore right now

[Anonymous No.11465844]

>>11465758
This is insanely easy dude wtf?

[Anonymous No.11465846]

>>11465840
No, because you lied about having 151 IQ. Your iq is in the 90s at best, and even if I gave you the answer, you wouldn't understand it; you couldn't even understand the problem.

[Anonymous No.11465848]

>>11463585
Yes, but its a negative outlook rather than a bragging right. Smart people who are lazy are those who haven't pushed themselves or weren't pushed hard enough. So they dilly dally and do the least effort work to get by.

[Anonymous No.11465849]

>>11465846
K
Keep your secrets

Can we get back on the thread now?

[Anonymous No.11465855]

>>11465849
I don't know, can you?
If you really want the answer, wait for the 151IQ anon to give it to you. Although I warn you, it may take weeks, even months.

[Anonymous No.11465909]

>>11463585
Yes obviously.
If you try to assert that it's not possible for a person to have a lazy trait and a high intelligence, then you do not have a high intelligence.

[Anonymous No.11465925]

>>11463673
I agree the decision to work hard is often the smart decision
Sometimes you really just don't give a fuck though

[Anonymous No.11465959]

>>11464259
gtfo fag

[Anonymous No.11465965]

>>11463847
Von Neuman is definitely an exception.

[Anonymous No.11466075]

>>11463985
those are especially real

[Anonymous No.11466077]

>>11465758

[Anonymous No.11466096]

>>11466077
wrong.

[Anonymous No.11466099]

>>11466096?

[Anonymous No.11466103]

>>11466099
warmer, but still wrong.
(as you're not providing any measurements, I'm just going by the sketch you drew).

[Anonymous No.11466105]

>>11465758
>>11465807
>>11465811
>>11465829
>>11465855
130IQ here

>Draw the net of the box
>Realize that there are two 'obvious' paths to point B
>One is shorter than the other, so optimization should involve putting it 'out of reach' of the shorter path
>Symmetries means that the point should be along the diagonal at the top of the box
>Parametrize the diagonal to be a variable t in [0,1]
>Get two sets of x and y co-ords in terms of different way of 'extending' the net to the top face
>Insert co-ords into two versions of the Pythagorean distance formula
>Solve for where they are equal

Turns out to be 3/4 down the diagonal. Felt good to be motivated by the thread to work that out.

[Anonymous No.11466107]

>>11463585
It only applies to the one personality type (lol meme science).

[Anonymous No.11466110]

>>11466105
You are correct. I believe you might have at least 105 IQ.

[Anonymous No.11466122]

>>11466105
You could've taken an h distance from the perpendicular diagonal on the top face.
You're left with
2+1/root(2) + h=root(5)+root(h+0.5)
solve for h I guess.

[Anonymous No.11466140]

>>11463585
i wan to lick her feet

[Anonymous No.11466155]

>>11466140
I want to kiss her on the belly

[Anonymous No.11466326]

>>11465758
3 paths in total, all to the same spot, over each side connected to A

[Anonymous No.11466393]

>>11463585
Depends on what you mean by smart.
I believe laziness is a bad habit of needing some sort of inspiration to begin doing something. If you can agree that smart people (i. e. people who are good at recognition of patterns) can also have bad habits, then yeah, you can be smart and lazy. If, however, you think that smart people shouldn’t fall for bad habits or should prioritise getting rid of them, then no, a smart person would deal with their laziness when they notice it.

[Anonymous No.11466435]

The idea is that because of symmetry you only need to show one half of the rectangular prism, cut down the diagonal.

Now unwrap the box and you'll get what looks like a house. Except on the roof there will be a objective map between the left triangle corresponding to the left half of the roof, and the right triangle corresponding to the right side of the roof.

We find the set of points that are equidistant coming in from a path not touching the right side of the box, and the ones touch the right side of the box. This equality will define a line on the roof of the house we mentioned earlier. The furthest point from origin on this line will give you the value you need.

[Anonymous No.11466436]

>>11465758
Outside the box.

[Anonymous No.11466453]

>>11466326
It's not B. If you're saying it's B, you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.11466631]

>>11463737
>>11463745
anons.. I don't mean work such as wageslaving, nor did I imply results such as money. I meant putting in the effort to achieve what you want. Want to be physically fit? Exercise. Want to be a math god. Work for it. This is just the way life works.
Le smart but lazy meme is typically used to cope with academic results, if you don't want academic results then why does it matter if you are able to achieve it or not? I am certain there is not a single healthy human that can't get good academic results when they try. It is when people want something, but don't want to put in the work(I'm just lazy teehee) that they feel the need to start coping. They simply lack the willpower and get jealous of less pathetic people, and try to imply their laziness is of no fault of their own. Remember - everyone gets what they fucking deserve.

[Anonymous No.11467075]

>>11465965
It's hard to be a polymath today, everything is so specialized, and all of the low hanging fruit has been picked. To excel in multiple fields requires brilliance.

[Anonymous No.11467131]

>>11466631
OK but how do you know if that's really the case, rather than that person having the conviction that the results are not worth the effort?

[Anonymous No.11467141]

just put the food away from the box

[Anonymous No.11467156]

>>11463585
I studied 6 days after skipping 50% of my engineering physics classes and got a passing grade, so there is some truth.
Still, if you want to make something really great you need to apply yourself because the world has a small amount of smart people that is also hardworking that will always surpass you if all you do is laze around all day.

[Anonymous No.11467160]

>>11467131
Not him, but I often feel that results aren't worth the requisite effort, but when I decide I want results, I usually get them. So that's how you'd know, is by looking at work done when the person in question is taking things seriously.

[Anonymous No.11467162]

Yes, but to be an actual genius you need some degree of motivation. Being smart makes you get used to things being easy, but if you're smart enough you'll fight against that. I don't mean smart enough to understand that, this is simple, I mean smart enough to know how to defeat the beast of low motivation.

[Anonymous No.11467166]

>>11463585
Lazyness in a true sense doesn't exist because every human inherently keeps himself busy with something even if it's just by thinking about something. The term is basically just the percieved usefulnes of an action. For example if you play videogames all day you're considered lazy even though technically you're doing something all day, or you can read books and learn all day and you're considered hard working. You could walk around the city all day for sightseeing and you're considered lazy even though you're moving physically, or you're physically moving by building a house all day and you're considered hard working.

[Anonymous No.11467170]

>>11463585
Intelligence is a requirement for being effective
If you are dumb and hard working then you are likely to get lost in irrelevant details
If you are smart but don't do anything there will be nothing accomplished at all, which is the same as being dumb and lazy.

[Anonymous No.11467840]

>>11463990
basado

[Anonymous No.11467849]

>>11463585
Of course there is. Work is for suckers, as the Leader of the NEETs puts it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37YknwAr85Y

[Anonymous No.11467869]

>>11466075
any advice for those types of people?

[Anonymous No.11467909]

>>11463719
wise words

[Anonymous No.11468057]

I feel like that stereotype, but then I suck at math or thinking outside the box, and also suck at creativity.

Whenever I try to exert effort to do something, my body resists with all its might by giving me chronic fatigue and procrastination. Like one time, I got up to do a little cleaning, then out of nowhere the urge to go to the loo hits me. My body actually trolls me into not working.

When I try to write something, I get severe brain fog after about an hour or so and then just go back to lying down. Can't concentrate anymore. I wish I could work hard for hours but laziness is an inherent part of my personality. I feel like I'm smart, but in a way that is not practical to others and would go over peoples heads anyway. My answers would come across as obvious when I explain them, but a lot of thought went into the answer. I did below average at school, just always skimming by.

I'm supposedly INTP? Doesn't that mean I'm meant to be smart? I have no idea. If I had the ability to not be lazy I feel like I'd be living life on god mode though.

[Anonymous No.11468071]

>>11463585
Does existential depression count as laziness?
I could work hard and achieve shit, but none of it really matters in the end so why bother doing more than I need to get by?

[Anonymous No.11468092]

>>11463585
Yes. I got nearly straight Fs in high school and worked in fast food until 21. I learned some lessons and went to college. Straight As.

It really depends though. I didn't know very much when I went to college, so in terms of how much information I had I was very stupid. When it comes to my zone of potential development, I was relatively intelligent.

The people saying no also have a point. If a smart person doesn't try they are not practicing their intelligence. This either A) causes their intelligence to fade, or B) never displays intelligence, so effectively makes them a stupid.

[Anonymous No.11468220]

>>11463673
Smart people are good even if they don't try.

I study 50 hours per week and failed all but one exam in 4 semester. I work harder than you and every smart person I've ever came across, yet I fail all the time and never improve despite doing every studying meme in existence.

And why? Because IQ is the most important thing in life and it isn't my fault that I am such a loser, my parents should have never breed.

[Anonymous No.11468223]

>>11468220
What did you study?

[Anonymous No.11468227]

>>11468223
Chemical Engineering

[Anonymous No.11468230]

>>11468227
Understandable, should've studied even harder then. I hope you learned your lesson.

[Anonymous No.11468235]

>>11468230
>HURR I TOTALLY STUDY 100 HOURS PER WEEK

Fuck off, almost nobody studies even 30 hours per week, 99,99% of all students start a month prior to the exam if anything.

[Anonymous No.11468238]

>>11468235
be happy with your lot or die.

[Anonymous No.11468242]

>>11468238
Non high IQ people are trash. Blue collar workers are subhuman garbage and academia is the masterrace.

Yes, I deserve to die because my IQ is too low. People with an IQ below 110 are dirt and nothing more than cannon fodder. My life is over since my dad decided not to pull it out.

I'm also a 27 year old khv, so I even got the ugly part. I'm ugly and retarded despite working hard.

[Anonymous No.11468243]

>>11463683
>men are awful
>glass ceilings
>70% of what a man makes
>he can’t handle a real woman
notice how they’re directed externally

[Anonymous No.11468254]

>>11468242
Getting a lotta mixed signals from you

[Anonymous No.11468265]

>>11463585
I'm smart but unmotivated, not even lazy. Just a nihilist who doesn't care enough to pursue anything conventionally meaningful.

[Anonymous No.11468282]

>>11468242

>Not 6'4
>Not white
>Below 140 I.Q

[Anonymous No.11468302]

A lot of it has to do with where you're coming from and who's to define lazy.

Being able to figure out a task you're assigned, yields you the same profit, regardless of how well you perform, is being smart in itself.

Also, it's one thing to read all the books on the internet about say business, while being from an average working class family and having no real experience and not being able to realistically visualize what it's all about, then being just an average guy, who's dad's a billionaire, seeing how things are done day to day, etc

[Anonymous No.11468330]

>>11468242
>>11468220
First off, nigga, you have a lot of self loathing in you.
Secondly, no one wants a whiny bitch. If you want everyone, including you, to like you, then just shut up and suck it up

You finished your degree, for fuck's sake. Who the hell gave you the idea that a man's worth is in his academic scores?

[Anonymous No.11468369]

>>11468227
>Chemical Engineering
That sounds like a quite hard field tho.
It actually depends on what field you're studying. For example, CS requires requires way less work than, say Architecture. CS happens to be a more "lazy" field here. Probably because architecture carries more responsibility and CS is more about learning to adapt to the new technology.
Maybe your field is "too smart" for you, but it could be also "not lazy enough", what do you think?

[Anonymous No.11468485]

>>11468369
That I am genetic trash and something like me should have never be allowed to finish hs

[Anonymous No.11468526]

>>11468485
But you still did it, right? I probably wouldn't even find the will to study like this, I usually just procrastinate all semester until shit hits the fan, then I start doing projects furiously in last weeks or days and end up with some really mediocre or downright cringy result, although I know that I could do better if I had at least some willpower and work ethic. I could, but I didn't.
Be happy that you made your best. That's an actual accomplishment, unlike having big digits in some irrelevant test.

[Anonymous No.11469314]

>>11468526
LMAO WRONG! Only and solely the grade matters, nothing else. The job market doesn't give a SHIT that I studied like an a grade student and still didn't even pass

[Anonymous No.11469330]

>>11468242
have you ever actually been in academia? most of the people there are genuinely dumb

[Anonymous No.11469478]

>>11469330
NO THEY AREN'T
Again, if I study 4 months prior, so since day 1, for an exam and only passed ONE exam yet, which was a second try and am behind everyone I've started with and the average student only studied 3 weeks prior and is on top if that 6-7 years younger than me, what does it tells you?

That's right, the AVERAGE student in STEM has an above average IQ. They achieve way more with way less workload than me.

[Anonymous No.11469486]

>>11469478
the fact that you're retarded doesn't mean the people around you are geniuses

[Anonymous No.11469528]

>>11469486
>have you ever actually been in academia? most of the people there are genuinely dumb
>the fact that you're retarded...

What now, are most people retarded or am I 100% right with my post? If I can finish HS, that means my IQ is at least in the middle of the bell curve, that also proves that you can only and solely get a STEM degree with an above average IQ. There is not a single person with a STEM degree with an IQ below 120. Not a single one.

[Anonymous No.11469532]

>>11469528
tard

[Anonymous No.11469555]

>>11469532
t. Child protegee or normie who can't accept the objective truth.

I do more than you or anyone else and I fail all the time. My situation is the final proof to conquer the "everyone can improve" lies told by the jewish media to make more people miserable and put them into low wage dead end jobs. IQ tests should be mandatory for STEM so people don't waste their life.

[Anonymous No.11469574]

>>11469555

[Anonymous No.11469581]

>>11469574
That's basically what I was told from everyone and why I am now old and unemployable.

[Anonymous No.11469596]

>>11469555
>IQ tests should be mandatory for STEM so people don't waste their life.
Fact. People under 115 should be strongly discouraged. Although to be fair it should become clear in high school even without an IQ test. Can't makes As in math? Can't get above a 1300 on the SAT? Don't do STEM. Honestly don't go to college

[Anonymous No.11469600]

>>11463585
it's a-me a-mario

[Anonymous No.11469605]

>>11463990
really want to believe that this is true, but something inside me tells me that it's just a very optimistic way for someone without talent to see things

[Anonymous No.11469610]

>>11469605
Persistence AND talent = success. No talent but a lot of persistence? Have fun being employee of the month at McDonald's 4 times in a row. No persistence but a lot of talent? You're better off than the other guy but due to your lack of activity you're gonna waste your talents

[Anonymous No.11469626]

>>11463585
It's true, I could be the next Einstein but since I'm too lazy, I just watch anime, play vidya and jerk off all day.

[Anonymous No.11469642]

>>11465758
Solved it.
X marks the spot.
Dark red line marks the shortest path to X.
What do I win?

I made the reasoning in my head.
Don't ask me to explain shit.

[Anonymous No.11469652]

>>11469642
Your answer is wrong.

[Anonymous No.11469654]

Can we PLEASE just let the drama queen be on his corner?

This is not self-loathing
This is not depression
This is a guy asking for attention

Just go back to the thread and/or report him for being off-topic. This is not a blog, for fuck's sake

[Anonymous No.11469661]

>>11469642
>>11469652
>>11465758
>>11465759
>>11465761
>>11465814
>>11465824
>>11466105
LOL the answer is put it on point B. B is sqrt(1+1+4) = sqrt(6) away from A; nothing else on the thing is that far from A. QED

[Anonymous No.11469675]

>>11469654
This.

The faggot is literally ruining every thread by his ,"I'm a normie iq, oh woe is me" drivel.

[Anonymous No.11469693]

>>11469661
Wrong. There is a point further than B.

[Anonymous No.11469706]

>>11469693
also where the heck does sqrt(6) come from

[Anonymous No.11469711]

>>11469654
>NOOOO! YOU CAN'T JUST TELL THE TRUTH AND HINDER PEOPLE FROM RUINING THEIR LIFE! GOYS MUST DESTROY THEIR LIFES IN ORDER TO WORK MINIMUM WAGE FOR HERR SCHEKELSTEIN

[Anonymous No.11469714]

>>11469528
>There is not a single person with a STEM degree with an IQ below 120. Not a single one.
Hello.

I have an IQ of 89 and I have an EE degree. Test I took was the WAIS-IV at 19. Ask me anything.

[Anonymous No.11469727]

>>11469714
How. Literally how. 25 of those 50 hours I spent for math and failed. And my IQ is 105.

[Anonymous No.11469731]

>>11469596
>Can't get above a 1300 on the SAT? Don't do STEM. Honestly don't go to college
i got a 1120 and did engineering and currently work as a controls engineer lmao.

[Anonymous No.11469744]

>>11469727
I went to community college for 2.5 years, took a half year break to work and brush off in math and physics and stuff, then transferred to an okay uni in the US and studied maybe 30 - 40 hours a week.

It was difficult and I couldn't get As in some classes, but graduated with a 3.37. I would read the textbooks with pencil and paper, go to lecture every day, and went into office hours with questions.

[Anonymous No.11469749]

>muh IQ
Online tests say I have an IQ of 98
I have 2 books published
Runs a business

Who would have thought that IQ tests are not the way to measure someone's worth?

[Anonymous No.11469760]

>>11469744
also my lowest WAIS-IV scores were in processing speed (symbol search and coding) and working memory (digit span and arithmetic) i scored very low on these (70ish) and a bit closer to average on perceptual reasoning such as the typical matrix problems that /sci/ posts.

I have ADHD and take meds.

[Anonymous No.11469764]

>>11469744
Did all of the latter and failed anyway.

You lie or you have some weird exception where you are genius level IQ in the logic part (aka. the only thing that matters in life) and are borderline retarded in the linguistic part.

[Anonymous No.11469776]

>>11463585
If you're smart, you're not lazy. If you're lazy, you're not smart.

[Anonymous No.11469791]

>>11469744
>>11469760
Great job, dude
Some friend I met on business shares a similar story
Nigga is crosseyed and has 6 siblings. Never even graduated public Highschool. He got employed by his neighbor in an internet cafe where he spent his time on the pc learning how to code. He started with RPG maker, extrated the codes and experimented

He worked as a software developer for 8 years, got one of his eye corrected, currently feeding his siblings, and he is just about to start his own business

I salute you brilliant bastards

[Anonymous No.11469848]

>>11469776
Even just speaking logically rather than anecdotally, it you think this is true you have a very low IQ.

[Anonymous No.11469863]

>>11469528
The vast majority of college graduates are morons, STEM or otherwise. There are no academic “achievements” which require intelligence. Obedience and pathetic sheep aspirations are required.

[Anonymous No.11469870]

>>11469863
And yet me and dozens of other people experience the cold hard truth that you can't achieve it without high IQ.

I know thousands of people like me, all felt into the trap of the self improvement lie, ending as jobless over 30 year old neets.

Improvement is a meme, if you have to try, it's over.

[Anonymous No.11469877]

>>11469693
nope
>>11469706
take Algebra I and you'll find out

[Anonymous No.11469878]

Just ignore/report him, folks. Let him cry on his corner

[Anonymous No.11469882]

>>11469654
His crying actually has to do with the question ask in the thread tho.

[Anonymous No.11469883]

>>11469870
Your problem is an emotional/focus issue, not an intellectual one. Virtually all college grads are dumb, valueless airheads.

[Anonymous No.11469886]

>>11469731
Yet you can't even capitalize properly. Cool story bro

[Anonymous No.11469890]

>>11469764
He's a liar
t. IQ psychometrician
89 IQ people are your average Tyrone and they struggle to pass high school. If he has an EE degree his GPA is like a 2.0 and it's from a 3rd tier state school

[Anonymous No.11469893]

>>11469882
This is not a blog site.

[Anonymous No.11469895]

>>11463585
>>11463649
>>11463673
Conscientiousness is actually negatively correlated with intelligence

[Anonymous No.11469900]

>>11466631
How does everyone get what they deserve? Good looking people are all parasites that have easy/luxurious lives, even when they are evil and stupid. Most people who deserve wealth and success will instead be met with a lifetime pointless suffering and misfortune. The statement “people get what they deserve” might be the least true thing ever said. There are no words to describe the extent of horrific karmic suffering you deserve for believing that.

[Anonymous No.11469902]

>>11465758
Wtf? The point is already marked lol

[Anonymous No.11469916]

>>11469886
sob for me, undergrad

[Anonymous No.11469922]

>>11469890
Cope.

[Anonymous No.11469924]

>>11466631
>I am certain there is not a single healthy human that can't get good academic results when they try.

You don't know many people, do you.

[Anonymous No.11469927]

>>11469890
>He's a liar
Best compliment I could receive honestly. IQ fatalists make me chuckle

[Anonymous No.11469928]

>>11469924
Guarantee the people you know aren’t actually healthy.

[Anonymous No.11469932]

I hope more people fall deeper into the IQ meme, where it's all that they value in their lives. Less competition for me. Be my stepping stones, fellas.

[Anonymous No.11469933]

>>11469916
>>11469927
samefag and shit baitist

[Anonymous No.11469935]

>>11463585
yes and they're called INTPs

[Anonymous No.11469937]

>>11469932
It's literally the single most predictive measurement ever devised. kys retard

[Anonymous No.11469943]

>>11469937
LMAO

[Anonymous No.11469945]

>>11469937
Good. Keep telling people this so more people drop out of university and become my waiters.

[Anonymous No.11469949]

>>11469935
No, they are called I can derive more type of personalities and fuck of with your data mining.

[Anonymous No.11469950]

>>11469932
You're right we should continue to predict worth by the current system. The more melanin the better.

[Anonymous No.11469952]

>>11469945
Why aren't there a large percentage of blacks in STEM if IQ matters so little?

[Anonymous No.11469957]

>>11469952
Systemic racism of course. That's what my hispanic gender neutral professor told me.

[Anonymous No.11469959]

>>11469952
muh socioeconomic factors bigot

[Anonymous No.11469964]

>>11469952
Why are most college graduates, STEM included, working at McDo?

[Anonymous No.11469967]

>>11469952
I didn't say that it didn't matter. Obviously not everyone is created equal, but falling into deep hopelessness because your IQ is 105 is hilarious.

[Anonymous No.11469988]

>>11469967
Not him, but he wrote he is in his late 20s and 3 semester behind everyone else.
I dunno about you, but that sounds like his life is pretty much over given the current job situation where you are expected to have a flawless life and made your future life choice already at 18.

[Anonymous No.11469994]

>>11469988
Don't even worry about having a job, half the world is getting laid off because of the virus. It's going to be a big reset.

[Anonymous No.11470010]

>>11469952
if iq matters so much how does this thot make 1.5m/yr from shaking her ass?

[Anonymous No.11470016]

>>11470010
IQ matters for men, women have simps.

[Anonymous No.11470027]

>>11469749
>low IQ post

[Anonymous No.11470034]

>>11470027
And a proud success
Riddle me that

[Anonymous No.11470057]

>>11470034
Cringe

[Anonymous No.11470060]

>>11470057
Cope, you useless NEETS

[Anonymous No.11470061]

>>11470010
she's what I'd call a real butt head
she must have butts for brains
or maybe she's got her head up her ass?

don't tease the octopus

[Anonymous No.11470066]

>>11463985
That's cluster C personality disorder and it's real unfortunately

[Anonymous No.11470067]

>>11469895
source?

[Anonymous No.11470075]

>>11463985
Aspergers

[Anonymous No.11470221]

>>11470067
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222536496_Why_is_Conscientiousness_negatively_correlated_with_intelligence

[Anonymous No.11470315]

>>11470221
>Conscientiousness (Control) was significantly negatively correlated with abstract reasoning (fluid intelligence), but not with verbal reasoning (crystallized intelligence). This was interpreted as indicating that the negative relationship between intelligence and Conscientiousness is due to fluid intelligence affecting the development of Conscientiousness, in an educated and need-achieving population.
welp

[Anonymous No.11470325]

>>11463732
> likely well into the sharper half of the distribution
according to which metric?

[Anonymous No.11470333]

>>11463585
yes, but it's not intelligence that causes the laziness; it's mental illness

[Anonymous No.11470360]

>>11463585
yes

[Anonymous No.11470372]

>>11463649
>>11463673
This is wagie cope.

>>11463745
This

I'm smart idk if I'm lazy but I don't like working I NEET and read all day.

[Anonymous No.11470505]

>>11470333
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289616303324

[Anonymous No.11470622]

Who here midwit tier (IQ: 110-119) and okay with compensating more hours into studying than their topwit counterparts?

[Anonymous No.11470721]

>>11469605
It's pretty easy to see what motivation can do to people. See all the advancements in mechanical/chemical sciences during the two world wars, due to 4 or more years of constant fighting? Simply finding something to point entire countries' worths of people at will make things move very quickly.
I have a thing for sci-fi stories involving something attacking earth, then getting a fight they didn't expect due to several billion war-hungry assholes suddenly having a common enemy.

[Anonymous No.11470731]

>>11463683
>he only wants her for sex/her breasts/her ass
>I'm just too good for these men
Men do this, too, but this is how women tend to word it.

[Anonymous No.11470739]

>>11470010
Because having something that others want and that few others have is far more valuable.

[Anonymous No.11470744]

>>11466107
broke INTP reporting in. starting to believe in the horoscope's validity bros

[Anonymous No.11471011]

>>11469877
>take Algebra I and you'll find out

What grade were you in where they taught you to make nets of geometric figures?