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[Anonymous No.11463495]

Gamma Edition

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[Anonymous No.11463519]

Virus will collapse world societies before we ever get to the moon or mars.

[Anonymous No.11463533]

>>11463519
the virus is the first step in ANTAGONIST EARTH which will unite Earth nations under common struggle. Humanity MUST wage war against nature—it is in fact the only way we will ever get to the moon or mars.

[Anonymous No.11463539]

>>11463519
There's still a long time between now and if this virus will cause any kind of serious collapse.

[Anonymous No.11463546]

>>11463533
imo not against nature itself but global disasters as a whole

[Anonymous No.11463547]

>>11463539
go look at the news idiot, trump/pence may have just caught it, and stock market crashing worse than the 80s.

[Anonymous No.11463548]

>>11463547
>trump/pence may have just caught it, and stock market crashing worse than the 80s.
Source?

[Anonymous No.11463575]

>>11463519
The economic downturn alone from this is doing to cripple spacex and with it colonization this century. Cap this post.

[Anonymous No.11463581]

>>11463519
>virus literally does nothing but kill a couple boomers
>except boomers are in charge of government
>governments freak out
>close down everything
>this freaks out the normies
>hoarding shit and selling stocks
>economy now in the toilet
>no jobs for anyone anymore
>central banks flood everything with money in vain
>can't buy anything anymore except with chocolate and toilet paper
>world goes full Mad Max
>all Starships scrapped and made into Cybertrucks
WE WERE SO CLOSE!

[Anonymous No.11463596]

>>11463548
Some Brazillian Minister or something has Corona and he got photographed with pence and trump a day or two ago.
Also the stocks are going wild. FED already pumped a fantastillion dollars into the markets about an hour ago and it barely made a dent. /biz/ is melting down. Even their crypto snake oil is dropping like a rock.

[Anonymous No.11463609]

>>11463596
>/biz/ is melting down.
When is /biz/ NOT melting down?

[Anonymous No.11463632]

>>11463596
it's almost time to start buying in
maybe start slow?

[Anonymous No.11463647]

Anyone have any podcast recommendations.

I'm out of Houston We have a Podcast.

What was the one that had the Air Force General that had to resign after outing the fees SpaceX had to pay?

[Anonymous No.11463648]

>>11463596
oh fuck oh fuck sell sell SELL!!!

[Anonymous No.11463656]

>>11463647
>What was the one that had the Air Force General that had to resign after outing the fees SpaceX had to pay?
When did that happen? Wasn't the guy already forced out by the Airforce secretary for bringing up the possibility that China may catch up and has become a threat?

[Anonymous No.11463669]

>>11463656
Same guy anyway Lt Gen Steven Kwast. Very cool guy.

[Anonymous No.11463676]

The chart has been updated

[Anonymous No.11463689]

>>11463676
>launching in 2022: ExoMars 2020

[Anonymous No.11463709]

>>11463632
I dunno. Might keep crashing for a while. The virus isn't resolved in any way and that's the cause of the panic.

[Anonymous No.11463843]

>>11463676
RUSSIA
>No Successes
>7 Partial Successes
>5 Failures
>9 Launch Failures

AMERICA
>16 Successes
>No Partial Successes
>3 Failures
>2 Launch Failures

JAPAN
>1 Failure
>that's it

EUROPE
>2 Partial Successes
>that's it

CHINA
>1 Launch Failure
>that's it

INDIA
>1 Success
>still the third most successful

[Anonymous No.11463860]

>>11463843
>RUSSIA
>>No Successes
I feel bad for them, Phobos Grunt was a cool mission and I wish it had actually worked.
What's new for the ruskie space program lately?

[Anonymous No.11463861]

>>11463581
>implying elon doesn't hurry the fuck up and build enough ships to start anew on mars before the shekelsteins pop
On the other hand, he could start a new society all together.

[Anonymous No.11463876]

>>11463843
Nice, but the Chinese failure wasn’t really their fault, considering Yinghuo-1 just happened to be ride sharing on the same Proton as Phobos-Grunt...

[Anonymous No.11463878]

>>11463876
Ah, fair enough. The chart had it labeled jointly, so I put it down for both of them.

[Anonymous No.11463880]

>>11463861
maybe the next starship explosion will have better video coverage. more angles would be nice and maybe with live commentary

[Anonymous No.11463900]

>>11463880
I believe thay finally nailed down the static pressure tests so next explosion should be much more spectacular since it would involve actual fuel/oxy combo

[Anonymous No.11463955]

china has been in warmode for two months and they still dont have a handle on the pandemic. corona is going to hit brownsville either this week or the next. spacex will halt starship production a week later.

[Anonymous No.11463967]

>>11463547
>Muh news which focuses exclusively on eye-catching negativity

Lol. Haven’t watched anything but the weather since 2004.

[Anonymous No.11463971]

>>11463860
Nothing, except a lot thing will be delayed or canceled again becauseof the oil crash.

[Anonymous No.11463975]

>>11463955
>and they still dont have a handle on the pandemic

Not true. It’s largely stopped spreading and more people have recovered in China than still have it.

[Anonymous No.11463980]

>>11463955
Ironically their handle on the virus is better than Italy or the west. They've quarantined the fuck out of everyone. New cases are rare shrunk down to a dozens instead of hundreds/thousands. Meanwhile, Italy/Iran are getting buttfucked. Spain/France/Germany/US are getting hundreds of new infections. Korea/Japan also seems to have it roughly contained with new cases shrinking.

>https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

[Anonymous No.11464028]

>>11463975
Apparently more people have recovered globally than have it. Huh.

[Anonymous No.11464109]

>>11463971
Such is life in former-soviet Russia

[Anonymous No.11464285]

>>11463596
Looks like a good time to buy

[Anonymous No.11464420]

>>11463533
>which will unite Earth nations under common struggle

fuck off world government faggot

[Anonymous No.11464477]

>>11464420
World government is a good idea.

[Anonymous No.11464540]

>>11464477
>Lets run the entire planet the same way Congress runs NASA.
God damn, it's almost like bootlickers literally never experience the bullshit of government in their sheltered lives.

[Anonymous No.11464543]

Too much politics bickering, not enough space flight hardware porn.

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>>11464603
>that Delta Blue
Best color on a rocket.

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>>11463495
>Gamma 2
I haven't heard of this one. Which launch vehicle and stage uses it?

[Anonymous No.11464710]

>>11464700
It's a two chamber version of the Bristol Siddeley Gamma rocket engine. It was unique at the time for using kerosene and high test hydrogen peroxide as the propellants. The Gamma 2 was on the second stage of the ill fated Black Arrow rocket.

http://www.astronautix.com/g/gamma2.html
http://www.astronautix.com/b/blackarrow.html

[Anonymous No.11464735]

This makes my Saturn-I become the Saturn-V

[Anonymous No.11464823]

>>11464735
This is where For All Mankind gets everything wrong, the natural progression of Apollo would be these concepts, not some stupid Sea Dragon fan service that has no continuity.

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>>11464848
I need to brush up on my Cyrillic. It took me too long to recognize that as the Energia-M.

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[Anonymous No.11464916]

>>11464905
OWO what's this

[Anonymous No.11464922]

>>11464916
Something very obscure

[Anonymous No.11464924]

>>11464916
Google says it's the MLAS from NASA
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/wallops/missions/mlas.html

>M'Lass

[Anonymous No.11464938]

>>11463876
I think the problem on that mission was the Fregat upper stage, it has a mixed track record.

[Anonymous No.11464946]

>>11463860
Most of their engineering talent goes to the oil and gas industries nowadays. They are having difficulty attracting top talent to their space program. I would like to see them fly the new Federation spacecraft but it will probably hit delays.

[Anonymous No.11464960]

>>11463980
Italy has an aging population with rural villages filled with elderly pensioners. They are probably the ones dropping like flies. Iran is probably just filthy and crowded.

[Anonymous No.11464965]

>>11464946
I mean, their space program at this point is a hollow shell of its former self. The Soyuz production line is all but devolved into warhammer 40k style ritualistic production processes, the people on the floor don't understand the parts they are working on or why they are necessary/designed the way they are.

[Anonymous No.11464975]

>>11464641
Unsurprising that a Chinese engine is a complete knock off of an older Soviet unit.

[Anonymous No.11464978]

>>11464965
>ritualistic production processes for Soyuz
>no one knows how the tech works
>all the good talent is sucked into the industries that are barely keeping things together
>uses priests to bless the rockets before launch
Yep, sounds like WH40k to me.

[Anonymous No.11464989]

Are people on the ISS gonna come back? I mean I'd ask to stay the rest of the year.

[Anonymous No.11465006]

>>11464989
It's not like they're doing anything super important anyways, so hanging around for a while longer shouldn't hurt. Good thing they finally figured out the bone and muscle loss issue.

[Anonymous No.11465010]

>>11464965
This is true. On the recent Soyuz with the hole drilled in the hull, somebody didn't know they had to use a low outgassing, vacuum rated sealant when they patched the hole. They just used regular epoxy or rtv sealant and it outgassed and crumbled away over time.

[Anonymous No.11465022]

>>11465010
>They just used regular epoxy or rtv sealant and it outgassed and crumbled away over time.

The hole was successfully patched by glue and some cloth, this method has recently been patented:

https://room.eu.com/news/method-for-sealing-soyuz-leak-patented-by-russian-rocket-firm

[Anonymous No.11465051]

>>11465022
That was the fix they used while it was on the iss. The hole was originally drilled and patched at the russian factory. The patch passed the leak down test at the factory, but after the craft had been docked at the iss for some weeks it started leaking. It is suspected that the original patch material slowly failed in the vacuum of space. They make low outgassing epoxy and rtv sealants but apparently that was not used in the original repair.

[Anonymous No.11465055]

>>11465051
I personally suspect the hole was originally drilled by a disgruntled worker and other workers conspired to cover it up rather than reject the damaged hull in the qc process and risk the wrath of their managers.

[Anonymous No.11465067]

>>11464916
Max Launch Abort System, the abort motors would have been stuck within the boost protective cover instead of on a tower.

[Anonymous No.11465083]

>>11464664
Oh fuck yeah, we're slowly getting the NX01 Enterprise

[Anonymous No.11465092]

>>11464540
>Strawman

Cringe.

[Anonymous No.11465125]

ribbon cutting was today

[Anonymous No.11465126]

>>11465125
nice
anybody here in Texas go see it?

[Anonymous No.11465141]

>>11465055
Or maybe of of those pranks where they send a new clueless hire to do something extremely retarded out of boredom and they actually go and do it and then everyone have to jump the hoops to fix it

[Anonymous No.11465146]

>>11465125
at the ceremony spacex's Jessica jensen was looking pretty fine; she was introduced as the new starship hardware/ops director too - interesting

[Anonymous No.11465202]

>>11463980
And you trust their numbers, despite their repeated lies?

[Anonymous No.11465208]

>>11464477
No it isn't.
With nation states, there's at least the hope of an external force coming along and helping you out. With world government, you're under the boot heel for good.

[Anonymous No.11465615]

>>11465146
>spacex's Jessica jensen was looking pretty fine

[Anonymous No.11465627]

>>11465125
can i touch it?

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>>11465628

[Anonymous No.11465672]

>>11465628
The COVID-19 Sprinkler?

[Anonymous No.11465845]

>>11465202
The numbers are numbers. The issue I have is with western country. IDGAF about China's numbers. US in particular is keeping the number artificially low by not testing people. Largely due to a political fight, the coronovirus's test/funding/response is being muted because large number of sick/dead = election issue.

[Anonymous No.11465922]

>>11463676
>ExoMars
They still haven't fucking launched it?
They've been working on it for two decades.

Is this Europe's response to JWST?

[Anonymous No.11465930]

>>11465922
If you think NASA is a clusterfuck, ESA is clusterfuck 2.0 Fuck Me Sideways Edition.
Look at the Galileo outages and how they handled that last year for instance. "Nope, no outages here", even though it was down for almost an entire month.

[Anonymous No.11465931]

how is the chinese rover contacting Earth from the dark side of the moon? Do they also have something orbiting the moon?

[Anonymous No.11465936]

>>11465931
Not particularly practical to have it pop back out for a quick SMS now and then, so I would assume so, yes.

[Anonymous No.11465950]

>>11465931
If I remember the probe is two parts, an orbiter and lander, with the orbiter acting as a relay between the lander and Earf.

[Anonymous No.11465956]

>>11465931
https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraft/display.action?id=QUEQIAO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qihh4ILy8jY

[Anonymous No.11465960]

>>11465950
Nevermind that I'm retarded, there's a second vehicle, a satellite circling from pole to pole which regularly makes contact with the probe.

[Anonymous No.11465967]

>>11465956
neat, thanks. Lagrange points are funky.

[Anonymous No.11466027]

>>11463980
So where is India? I've seen a few sources saying at least a couple indians were infected, and considering their (lack of) hygiene levels I would expect it to spread like crazy.

[Anonymous No.11466038]

>>11464420
it's not world government, it's an understanding of the fragility of the human race. We've virtually eliminated global conflict and it has produced a generation of backwash. Conflict is necessary to stop us from getting stuck in a local maximum where we are unable to innovate because nobody is willing to be made uncomfortable.

[Anonymous No.11466052]

>>11463596
>socialism and bailouts for the corporations and banks good

[Anonymous No.11466057]

>>11466027
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-51866903

Barely any dent

[Anonymous No.11466126]

>>11465960
no, they put it in an EML2 halo relay orbit where it's constantly in view of both the Earth and the Moon

[Anonymous No.11466163]

Roughly 22 hours till L5 Starlink launch.

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>>11465208
>Muh boot heel

Go vote, dumb anarchist.

[Anonymous No.11466205]

>>11466199
Oh but I do vote.
Tell me, with how inept and how corrupt big government is, why do you think ten magnitudes larger governments will be better? What makes you think a hundred magnitudes larger will be better?

Jesus fuck, look at Brussels. It's a den of kleptocrats who do nothing but ride the gravy train. That's what your "World Government" will look like, on a much grander scale.

[Anonymous No.11466207]

>>11466192
Is that a pic of the CZ-8?

[Anonymous No.11466209]

>>11466205
>Tell me, with how inept and how corrupt big government is

It isn’t.

[Anonymous No.11466216]

>>11466209
>It isn’t.
You have to be 18 or older to post here.

[Anonymous No.11466219]

>>11466207
No, it’s the CZ-4B from last year with gridfins for 85% increased first-stage impact accuracy.

[Anonymous No.11466220]

>>11466209
you're either corrupt and lying, or corrupt but so naive that you think that's how the world's supposed to work

[Anonymous No.11466231]

>>11466220
Okay Ann

[Anonymous No.11466241]

>>11466219
I forgot about that one. Any new news about CZ-8? Would like to hear more about how nations other than the US are developing reusability for their rockets. I wonder who's the farthest along? Would seem like a tie between Europe and China.

[Anonymous No.11466254]

>>11466163
Launch thread will be up, as always

[Anonymous No.11466260]

>>11466254
What time is it launching?

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>>11466163
>>11466254
Hope they reach coverage enough soon to give us full coverage of launches via Starlink. Would be the best PR stunt they pulled since Starman.

[Anonymous No.11466267]

>>11466220
if you think the US government is corrupt, you should travel around some more. When was the last time millions of dollars just disappeared from a government project or a politician faked scientific studies or statistics (read: not loosely interpreted, but actually faked) or a politician developed a cult or decided that they should just never step down from office?
Lobbying, nepotism and general inefficiency are not corruption and you are naive to think they are. The US constitution does a very good job at assuming all politicians are inherently corruptible and creating a system that is hard to abuse. An inefficient system is infinitely preferable to an abusable one.

[Anonymous No.11466271]

>>11466260
21 bongs from now

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>>11466267
if you're looking for money disappearing, well there's the basically everything the CIA, NRO or USSOCOM does, the rest of the military industrial complex, etcetera
then there's New York and California politicians, who keep getting busted for either human trafficking or gun running while trying to take everybody's guns

[Anonymous No.11466353]

>>11466267
>Lobbying, nepotism and general inefficiency are not corruption
>"if we just rewrite the book a bit, it's not really corruption"
Oh yeah, we've gotten really good at just calling it "favours for a friend" in my country too. Officially, we don't really have any corruption either.

Except we're fucking rife with it.

[Anonymous No.11466370]

>>11466353
Stop anarchist-posting. It’s gross.

[Anonymous No.11466374]

>>11466370
>anarchist
Go be a retard elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.11466376]

>>11466374
Go be an anarchist elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.11466386]

>>11466376
>Want to keep government accountable
>That means you're an anarchist
No, go be retarded elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.11466389]

NASA did a set of very interesting studies in 2003 about crewed exploration of the outer solar system.

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20040005901.pdf

Does anyone here have other examples of studies like this? Very cool to see how people extrapolate technologies in development now to meet goals that are very clearly far beyond our reach.

[Anonymous No.11466432]

>>11466389
No goals are beyond our reach. Mankind is divine.

[Anonymous No.11466465]

>>11466267
>The US government isn't corrupt.
>A system that is hard to abuse.
Holy fucking shit you're utterly and absolutely illiterate in the state of the world that surrounds you. The US government is enormously corrupt, comparing it to even more rotten and degenerate systems is absolutely irrelevant to that reality, and it's grown by at least a full order of magnitude in size on the flimsiest of justifications, seizing powers which would have completely appalled the framers of the Constitution in their capacity to become invasive and abusive.

[Anonymous No.11466472]

>>11466389
>more like NOPE

[Anonymous No.11466485]

>>11466465
>The US government is enormously corrupt

Prove it. It’s relatively low on the corruption index.

[Anonymous No.11466486]

>>11466465
>uhhhh they're corrupt because by definition any government system that isn't libertarian is corrupt
>they try to stop corporations from monopolizing and abusing people by heavily regulating them and this is BAD because it's the people's fault they're being abused
>they enforce sanitation and food quality standards that the framers never thought of because they wanted everyone to be farmers and this is bad because everyone isn't a farmer
you keep going, buddy

[Anonymous No.11466502]

>>11466486
>any government that isn't libertarian is corrupt.
Meme answer yes, but more seriously all government to one degree or another is by definition vulnerable to corruption because all governments tried by humans have so far involved the centralization of some amount of power to a sub-group of other humans, humans who are by their nature tempted towards corruption at some point in their lives, especially when given power.
>they try to stop monopolies via heavy regulation.
And by-and-large they fail, as the regulations most often simply damage the capacity of smaller companies to compete, they also do things like give out no-bid contracts to companies established for decades resulting in disincentivization of competition, and consciously aid in the formation of state backed monopolies which are essentially unbreakable, because how can you break a monopoly when the monopolist is good friends with the person creating laws to stop monopolies?
>they enforce sanitation and QC standards.
Dunno what part of the US you're from, but road, water, and infrastructure standards are pretty shit in a lot of places due to government incompetence and/or corruption. No guarantee that a private enterprise could do it better, but the government isn't impressing me so far, if they were a contractor who I'd hired, I would have fired them decades ago.

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>>11466346
US Military budgets are incredibly open, because they have to be approved by congress.

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>>11466504
do you know how much raw cash was thrown into the sandbox? not even material that costs money, just raw green dollars by the palletload that all fucking disappears
USSOCOM does some fucked up shit

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>>11466504
>F-35
Excellent example of "open" budget, seeing as that piece of shit just kept growing and growing and growing and growing in cost and scope long after it got its approval.

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>>11466536
Yeah but look at it hover
cool

[Anonymous No.11466544]

>>11466537
At least the missiles will work, because we're making them.

[Anonymous No.11466546]

>>11466502
Trying and failing is not corruption, it's incompetence. The same mechanism by which the US government avoids corruption makes it toxic to high achieving people and we accept this tradeoff because the alternative is the "road to hell laid with good intentions."

[Anonymous No.11466584]

>>11466546
The US government is saturated with both corruption AND incompetence, as is every other government on the face of the Earth. Just because it is less incompetent or less corrupt or less of both does not mean it's authority should be continuously enhanced. If this ricochets off your brain I honestly can't conceptualize any way to help you, you're just utterly fucking delusional.

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>>11466525
If you pay the terrorist then he becomes your friend

[Anonymous No.11466589]

It’s a little known fact that the SLS core-stage for Artemis 3 (the third SLS flight) is heavily ahead of schedule. Guess why?

Hint: the reason for this is reusability.

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>>11466589
Unf, what a pretty tank.

[Anonymous No.11466675]

SLS bad

[Anonymous No.11466700]

>>11466675
we know

[Anonymous No.11466702]

>>11466589
That’s pretty crazy

>behold the Frankentank

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>>11466702
>Born Again is the first posthumous compilation album by American rocket the Notorious S.L.S.

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>>11466589
it's crazy to me that welding is such a big road blocker on stuff like this. I get it, but as a layman it feels like it's something that should be a solved problem by now.

[Anonymous No.11466758]

>>11466750
no, welding is just a form of metallurgy and as soon as you try to do anything fancier than "hurr burr slab of iron" it turns into straight up black magic

[Anonymous No.11466761]

>>11466758
it's just crazy that something so ubiquitous and fundamental to our daily lives could be so mysterious and poorly understood

[Anonymous No.11466769]

>>11466758
I almost got ulcers from welding titanium back in the days. I don't want to be the dude responsible for fucking up a weld on a SLS tank.

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ah, yes, of course
I understand everything now

[Anonymous No.11466779]

>>11466750
>>11466758
Friction stir welding, which is used for SLS and several other vehicles’ tanks is considered a very advanced form of welding. With lots of benefits over traditional fusion welding, but more prone to defects if something goes wrong during the process.

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>>11466770
This is why you don't close down your loony bins.

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>>11466750
Large and detailed assemblies are a nightmare to weld. A machine has to be perfectly programmed and set up to do the welding. If something messes up or goes wrong the robot doesn't know to stop and will keep going when it shouldn't.
A human can stop and backup a bit to try again, or at least go "shit, gotta start over" without running incorrectly for hours. However, a human needs to have the skill to do the weld, and there is a LOT of welding on those tanks.
We kinda saw that with SpaceX and Starship.
It would be absolutely insane to set up robots to weld the SNx series, not to mention very time consuming. But once set up, the welds could be perfect (assuming no unforseen machinery or programming failures).
Humans can adapt quickly to changes in design, and a large can knock out a ton of welding over time. You better damn well hope they all know how to weld properly though.

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>>11464960
the virus didn't even get to rural towns
the mortality rate is overestimated because of selection bias (testing only symptomatics)

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>>11463861
wasn't this shit supposed to have went to the moon by now?

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>>11466841
no, it's currently vaguely on schedule

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>>11466841
I don't think so?
we were predicting orbit this year or last year, I think, but they are developing a reusable hypersonic vehicle...

[Anonymous No.11466846]

>>11466770
I cant even tell who that tweet is directed to

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>>11466846
https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1238548530819665920

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>>11466850
what does it mean by "jam satellites"? How is that possible?

[Anonymous No.11466861]

>>11466857
how do you think satellites communicate with the ground?
how do you think satellites collect information?

[Anonymous No.11466866]

>>11466861
does it just blast it with noise to drown out all the signals? Or is it something more sophisticated

[Anonymous No.11466869]

>>11466866
presumably it just hoses it down with directed energy to noise out the signals or dazzle the sensors in whatever spectrum that satellite uses

[Anonymous No.11466870]

>>11466866
The capabilities are unsurprisingly classified

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>>11466841
It's perfectly on time.
On Elon time.

[Anonymous No.11467193]

Bros.... We were so close to making it....

[Anonymous No.11467201]

>>11466485
Can't be corrupt when your embezzlement and kickbacks are legalised.

[Anonymous No.11467381]

>>11466788
If CAT can do it with trash union labor for hual trucks SpaceX can perfect it.

[Anonymous No.11467496]

>>11464477
To be for world government is to agree to severely dilute your democratic power as an individual, this is the exact fucking same problem with the EU, and look at what happened when people finally worked out they are being represented by literal whos in a foreign parliament they didn't vote for working against there interests.

World government is a terrible idea, in fact, we should go the opposite way.

[Anonymous No.11467675]

>>11463519
we just had the first launch delay blamed on Corona-virus, the Indian GSLV launch that was supposed to be on the 16th. And this is in India, which is not even supposed to be a Corona hotspot!

[Anonymous No.11467896]

>>11467496
>To be for world government is to agree to severely dilute your democratic power as an individual

I don’t care. The conclusion of such reasoning is to try to prevent the population of your country growing under any circumstances, which is retarded.

[Anonymous No.11467911]

>>11467896
>I don’t care
Well then die.

[Anonymous No.11467998]

https://spacenews.com/nasa-takes-gateway-off-the-critical-path-for-2024-lunar-return/
>Where were you when gateway is kill
>Probably at home due to the coronavirus

[Anonymous No.11468049]

>>11465125
Kinda sucks that they don't put a roof over these things.

[Anonymous No.11468064]

>>11468049
Tell me about it.
Source: Alamogordo

[Anonymous No.11468097]

>>11467911
>Well then die.

Nah.

[Anonymous No.11468110]

>>11467998
NOOO I WAS TOLD BERGER WAS WRONG AGAIN. WHAT HAPPENED BOYS??? DID WE GET TOO COCKY?

[Anonymous No.11468194]

>>11468110
NSF forums actually had one guy theorizing the leaked plan Berger saw was a counter-espionage move to root out the leaker and even brought Loverro's experience in the DOD as proof. Sad really.

[Anonymous No.11468245]

>>11466850
...wow

[Anonymous No.11468381]

>>11468194
Quick rundown? What did Berger see?

[Anonymous No.11468386]

>>11463676
I thought there were more Mars attempts this launch window.
Bit disappointing senpai.

[Anonymous No.11468392]

>>11468386
It's gubmint programs what do you expect

[Anonymous No.11468401]

>>11468381
All of Artemis entirely on SLS. He reported on it and got called out immediately that this was never a serious plan.

[Anonymous No.11468414]

>>11468110
Berger predicted it had been cancelled, that’s obviously not the case here.

>>11468194
>>11468381
‘The plan’ was a completely separate issue that was quickly debunked by Jim Bridenstine. It being one of many potential architectures being discussed internally at the time.

[Anonymous No.11468417]

>>11467998
Rip Artemis
*2019
+2022

[Anonymous No.11468425]

>>11467998
>it took Apollo 6 and a half years from contract signing to moon landing
>and we have only 5 and a half years left
YEAH, BUT APOLLO DIDN‘T HAVE A FUCKING MOON ROCKET AND COMMAND MODULE ALREADY READY FOR LAUNCH!
God, stupid none arguments like this make me mad.

[Anonymous No.11468438]

>>11468425
Doug is specifically talking about the contract signing for the LEM, he’s comparing it to HLS.

[Anonymous No.11468444]

>>11468425
He’s talking about the lunar lander

[Anonymous No.11468457]

>>11466761
>it's just crazy that something so ubiquitous and fundamental to our daily lives could be so mysterious and poorly understood
Surprised there's no smart tech like a probe measuring the quality of the weld while it's being done and dynamically adjusting the voltage or whatever or providing feedback to the worker

[Anonymous No.11468496]

>>11466205
>Jesus fuck, look at Brussels. It's a den of kleptocrats who do nothing but ride the gravy train. That's what your "World Government" will look like, on a much grander scale.
Have worked in Brussels; can vouch. These people are mostly the very worst type of midwitted humanities graduates: easily seduced by specious theory and argument that flatters their ego and helps them look down their noses at everyone outside their dumb groupthink; no real skills of worth; contemptuous of (as a result of fear and failure at) any kind of technical discipline. Their highest achievement in life is spotting a cushy opportunity.

[Anonymous No.11468521]

>>11466769
>I don't want to be the dude responsible for fucking up a weld on a SLS tank.
That's why you pass everything through endless committees and reviews and whatever so noone's personally responsible for anything

[Anonymous No.11468542]

>>11468414
Berger's article predicted a postponement of Gateway and reduced commercial rocket launches. That's exactly what Loverro confirmed. Probably the only thing 'wrong' Berger has on that article is the manifest schedule.

[Anonymous No.11468605]

>>11468542
>Probably the only thing 'wrong' Berger has on that article is the manifest schedule.

And the fact that everything was launching on SLS in the internal document which he tried to pass off as the finalised plan, the only thing he has predicted correctly is the postponement of Gateway. Which could be seen coming from a long way off anyway, considering docking with the Gateway in 2024 wasn’t a requirement in RFP for landers.

[Anonymous No.11468624]

>>11468605
Well Berger still got Gateway's postponement right. Next up is integrated HLS which Loverro has not yet confirmed, but hinted that's a possibility instead of giving a non-answer and saying they'll stick to the original Artemis plan.

[Anonymous No.11468714]

If political winds change China would theoretically be able to dock with the ISS in the future. Their next-generation crew capsule appears to use the International Docking System Standard.

[Anonymous No.11468753]

>>11468381
No commercial partners
No Gateway
No lunar outpost

Basically they're going for a giant Boeing only contract for everything. Also if NASA wants to gets to the Moon, it will be at best a touch and go. There will not be anything sustaining it.

[Anonymous No.11468757]

There was a recent podcast somewhere on youtube with some NASA SLS guy. He was shitting on SpaceX and claiming SLS is the most efficient rocket ever built.

[Anonymous No.11468766]

>>11468757
fake until sourced

[Anonymous No.11468779]

>>11468766
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1uOq2XUQfM

Found it after quick youtube search.

[Anonymous No.11468783]

>>11468753
>No commercial partners

[Citation needed]

>No Gateway

Delayed 2 years, not cancelled. Will likely end up more capable and cheaper because of it.

>No lunar outpost

[citation needed]

>Basically they're going for a giant Boeing only contract for everything.

[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.11468787]

>>11468753
Boeing is the only way America can sustain cost effective long term leadership in aerospace so I'm fine with helping them.

If you can provide any reasons why "outpost" and "gateway" are useful to the United States be my guest.

[Anonymous No.11468791]

>>11468787
>If you can provide any reasons why "outpost" and "gateway" are useful to the United States be my guest.
let's just explore the entire solar system without any permanent structures in space. We NEED humans out there getting shit done because rovers are ineffective and limited.

[Anonymous No.11468794]

>>11468757
>He was shitting on SpaceX and claiming SLS is the most efficient rocket ever built.

He also described Blue Origin as “crucial” to getting back to the Moon. Technically he’s correct, considering both the RL-10 and RS-25 are more efficient than Raptor :)...

[Anonymous No.11468805]

>>11468783
>https://spacenews.com/nasa-takes-gateway-off-the-critical-path-for-2024-lunar-return/

>No gateway
Delayed by 2 years, but if you read the rational, its cancelled. “From a physics perspective, I can guarantee you we do not need it for this launch,” he said of the Gateway.

Also read into what he admits, “Frankly, had we not done that simplification, I was going to have to cancel Gateway because I couldn’t afford it.” Gateway will be cancelled regardless now that they've already made the transition.

>No commercial partners
No gateway = no partners. "Loverro also hinted that NASA was modifying its approach to lunar lander development. NASA previously proposed a three-stage approach, with an ascent module, descent module, and transfer module all launched separately on commercial launch vehicles and assembled at the lunar Gateway."

“Program risk is driven by which things haven’t you done in space before that you would now have to do in this mission,” he said, referring to plans “to launch a lander in three individual pieces that have to meet up at the moon,” the approach NASA has previously discussed. “We’ve never done that before, so we’d like to try to avoid doing things we’ve never done before.” “What are we going to do to go ahead and make that happen? And the answer is you’ve got to go ahead and remove all the things that add to program risk along the way,” he said.

>No lunar outpost
This is guaranteed given they're not even talking about it now.

Read the fucking news. I don't want to copy paste the entire fucking article. Just ignore the buttering words and you'll see the truth.

[Anonymous No.11468812]

>>11468794
Continued.

>>11468783
>Basically they're going for a giant Boeing only contract for everything.
If there's no commercial partners, then Boeing is the only option. NASA wants to reduce risk, so Boeing will be the only way to go forward. Thanks to Shelby.

[Anonymous No.11468815]

>>11468805
Continued.

>>11468783
>Basically they're going for a giant Boeing only contract for everything.
If there's no commercial partners, then Boeing is the only option. NASA wants to reduce risk, so Boeing will be the only way to go forward. Thanks to Shelby

[Anonymous No.11468832]

>>11468794
>more efficient than Raptor
>muh Isp

[Anonymous No.11468834]

>>11468805
>>11468815
Your all making massive assumptions based on a few vague statements, we’ll see what actually happens when the plan is released. Also, Boeing is a commercial partner to, just not with SLS because of how it’s contracted.

[Anonymous No.11468861]

>>11468245
that's what I thought so too
I'm glad that twitter suffers from schizoposting just as much as /sci/ does
very glad that this thread doesn't have any

[Anonymous No.11468867]

>>11468794
Certainly not more efficient in dollar-per-kn thrust, certainly not more efficient in terms of speed and ease of manufacture, certainly not more efficient in terms of TWR, and not more efficient in terms of tankage size. Raw ISP is only valuable once you're going from one celestial body to another celestial body, in the case of launchers though ISP is only important if it meets the threshold of "enough to get your vacuum stage where it needs to be".

[Anonymous No.11468876]

>>11468867
>Raw ISP is only valuable once you're going from one celestial body to another celestial body

Like the Moon, for example?

[Anonymous No.11468879]

>>11468714
it's a good docking system standard, there's no reason not to steal it

[Anonymous No.11468896]

>>11468867
>Raw ISP is only valuable once you're going from one celestial body to another celestial body

Like from the Earth to the Moon, for example? Saturn V’s hydrolox upper-stages gave it over double the payload to TLI of the all-kerosene N1, even SLS Block 1 has a higher throwing weight to TLI than the latter.

>>11468879
I believe the Obama administration actually gave it to the Chinese

[Anonymous No.11468905]

>>11468876
The Moon is pretty close, relatively speaking, compared to every other celestial body human space projects would be interested in, but unless the SLS first stage is going there I don't see how it's relevant to compare RS-25 and Raptors. It's also weird to be comparing the RL-10 to the Raptor, since the RL-10 is a vacuum optimized hydroLOX rocket and the current version of Raptor isn't vacuum optimized at all, on top of which the Raptor is a much larger engine which develops close to twenty times as much raw thrust as the RL-10. There's also an upside to methaLOX propellant, you can carry more of it in a smaller space than you can hydroLOX. That aside though the design philosophy of SpaceX is pretty clear, they've decided that instead of building for the maximum efficiency they're going to try for economic sustainability that allows for a larger number of missions. If Starship, the methaLOX burning upper stage has "sufficient" delta-V to reach wherever it has to go then that's already enough, better to use common fuels and the same kind of manufacturing process for engines and tanks rather than build a methaLOX booster and hydroLOX upper which will have different tankage and different engines which will create the need for a more complicated and expensive manufacturing setup.

I guess what I'm trying to get at with this little novel of text is that I can't understand why you're making an ISP comparison of three different engines with three significantly different constructions and significant functional differences, built for space programs with fundamentally different design and manufacturing philosophies?

[Anonymous No.11468920]

>>11468905
the surface of the moon is farther away than both Venus and Mars
not sure about Jupiter

[Anonymous No.11468943]

>>11468920

[Anonymous No.11468950]

>>11468943
in terms of dV? right? am I retarded?

[Anonymous No.11468953]

>>11468920
lolwut

[Anonymous No.11468963]

>>11463609
>When is /biz/ NOT melting down?
fuckin lol'd

[Anonymous No.11468964]

>>11468953
Holy shit, now I'm really mad that Phobos Grunt failed, we really need at least one good Phobos mission. It looks like there have only been two attempts, both by Russia, both failed due to vehicle bullshit.

[Anonymous No.11468979]

R.I.P.

[Anonymous No.11468981]

>>11468953
yeah, read that chart dude
Mars is 3210+1060+aerobrake into orbit+circularization burns = 4270+pocket change, let's call it 4700
Venus is 3210+640+aerobrake into orbit+circularization burns = 3850+pocket change let's call it 4400
the Moon is 3260+680 = 3860 for low orbit
so uh wait no time out
getting to low orbit around the moon is more expensive than slamming into the atmosphere of Venus and ending up either bobbing around in the clouds or baking on the surface, and landing on the Moon is more expensive than slamming into the atmosphere of Mars and landing on the surface
thank you for that chart
the surface of Luna is farther away than the surface of Mars, and the orbit of Luna is farther away than the orbit of Venus if you can aerocapture reliably

[Anonymous No.11469065]

>>11468834
Shit coming straight out of horses mouth is massive assumption and vague statements. Y I K E S. I wouldn't want to be near you when you commit suicide

[Anonymous No.11469066]

>>11468964
Yeah, the Martian moons are cool. Just imagine if Phobos was orbiting Earth, it would be stupid easy to put a base here and manufacture stuff from the regolith/gain experience with in-situ refueling, etc.

[Anonymous No.11469073]

>>11469065
Cringe.

[Anonymous No.11469074]

>>11468834
massive assumptions based on decades of history that is determined to repeat itself over and over again as long as space flight is a political pawn in partisan politics

[Anonymous No.11469093]

>>11469074
Not a partisan as much as state job program.

[Anonymous No.11469218]

>Nuclear, Aerospace, Mechanical, Marine
Rank these engineering MScs for an astronaut

[Anonymous No.11469229]

>>11469218
electrical desu

[Anonymous No.11469230]

>>11469229
I'm doing a physics and philosophy degree, electrical is out of the picture

[Anonymous No.11469233]

>>11469230
enjoy masturbating to philosophy while contemplating how stupid physics is

[Anonymous No.11469236]

>>11469233
Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Do you have any advice for the MSc? I want to work some army work in there somewhere (Navy/RAF) but that really limits my options.

[Anonymous No.11469239]

>>11469236
no

[Anonymous No.11469242]

>>11469239
Fk u

[Anonymous No.11469246]

>>11469242
you need to keep in mind who you're talking to, anon

[Anonymous No.11469252]

>>11469246
Bite me jabroni

[Anonymous No.11469260]

A bit of an unexpected likbez nobody asked for.

>>11463860
>Phobos Grunt was a cool mission
It really wasn't, maybe the concept was but the implementation was a trainwreck. It was a failure from the start and everybody involved knew that. It was an example of how not to design space probes.
- NPO Lavochkin got a new team from scratch, not taking the previous experience with Phobos-2 into account, with both its head designer and PI complaining loudly
- NPOL was too busy with making a large batch of military satellites at the time, had very little resources left for anything else, and had to rush the Phobos-Grunt because they didn't want to miss the Mars launch window, which would have meant they fucked up
- both IKI (the scientific institute behind the mission) and NPOL made the program too ambitious, there was simply too much unproven things in the design combined together in one mission.
The awful project management was the real reason behind the failure. Due to the rush, they cut the corners too much. They used a double-redundant computer instead of triple, they used a new untested unpressurized bus named Navigator (which worked fine later in many spacecraft but had a lot of rough edges in Phobos-Grunt), they used a lot of things they only tested very little. Rumours were they rushed it so much that they haven't tested the surface operations part at all (the final approach, science mission and takeoff were designed to be autonomous since they had to work in partial comms blackout while being obstructed by Phobos). There also was a funny story with one of their interns who was dumb enough to outsource her job-related coursework to a Russian freelancing site, pic related. Which resulted in a leak of a minor CAD source, it wasn't classified but was for internal use only. The source got deleted from the net, but the story can still be found by the "PБФ2M-6122-0-04" keyword.

[Anonymous No.11469263]

>>11469260
So the contact with the spacecraft was lost shortly after the LEO deployment. The official reason was that a high-energy particle event made the computer stuck in the reboot loop because it struck both RAM boards in a straight line (hello double redundancy) which caused them to reboot at the same time. Which was considered an excuse by most people, and the actual reason is thought to be poor testing and development rush. It was doomed to fail sooner or later into the mission because of that.

>>11463876
>>11464938
- it wasn't the rocket that failed, it's the spacecraft itself
- it wasn't Proton but Zenit
- Fregat is not an upper stage by Russian classification, but a "booster block" and is considered something between a stage and a separate spacecraft, that's because their "booster blocks" are really much more like separate spacecraft and less of a rocket stage.
- Fregat itself has an excellent track record, failing only twice out of 83 missions, only one of them due to a genuine design problem (an unforeseen thermodynamics issue when operating close to design limitations), and another one was due to the human/process error in the flight plan.
- there was no Fregat on this mission, they repurposed its thruster and tanks into the custom-designed main propulsion unit which was the integral part of the Phobos-Grunt, called Flagman. Still not related to the failure.

[Anonymous No.11469266]

>>11469260
>maybe the concept
Yeah that, automated sample return is cool. Shame that one didn't work out.

[Anonymous No.11469267]

>>11469260
>There also was a funny story with one of their interns who was dumb enough to outsource her job-related coursework to a Russian freelancing site, pic related. Which resulted in a leak of a minor CAD source, it wasn't classified but was for internal use only. The source got deleted from the net, but the story can still be found by the "PБФ2M-6122-0-04" keyword.

[Anonymous No.11469281]

>>11467998
>gateway is kill
boeing has way too much influence over congress. we're about to see the entire artemis program being handed over to boeing, and with their anti-space stance will probably end up delaying the program so bad that it gets killed entirely.

[Anonymous No.11469312]

>>11469281
>boeing has way too much influence over congress. we're about to see the entire artemis program being handed over to boeing

What makes you think Gateway being delayed has anything to do with Boeing? It seems more to do with budgetary realism, issues with PPE’s electric propulsion, international partners not being ready until 2026, cost overruns and the push for a 2024 Moon landing.

[Anonymous No.11469315]

>>11469312
because it will make the program even more reliant on sls

[Anonymous No.11469317]

>>11467998
If the US is going down that path, then they better work hard on getting something like gateway set up afterwards. I don't like design of gateway, but it serves a very useful purpose in keeping NASA BEO. Please don't let this be a sadder repeat of post-Apollo.

[Anonymous No.11469322]

>>11469317
Time and time again we've seen post-apollo projects fail and it's not because of lack of funding, lack of talent or lack of technical feasibility. It is purely bureaucratic and the writing is already on the wall. Private space is the only way forward.

[Anonymous No.11469329]

>>11468953
Why couldn’t they make shit to scale...

[Anonymous No.11469335]

>>11469317
>If the US is going down that path, then they better work hard on getting something like gateway set up afterwards.

But they plan to set up Gateway in 2026, it’s not cancelled but deferred.

[Anonymous No.11469336]

>>11469322
>Private space is the only way forward.
we need a spacex style company coming out of multiple countries like france, japan, russia, etc. but few people with money seem to be interested in space.

[Anonymous No.11469340]

How much you guys wanna bet that three will be no lunar landing by NASA in the next 5 years and after that the new administration will cancel the program?

[Anonymous No.11469343]

>>11469322
You got bureaucrats talking risk risk risk
Cut all risk! And also cut the idea of making this lunar plan into something sustainable in the future!

Reuse is risky

[Anonymous No.11469346]

>>11469340
I think there will be an uncrewed mission, but no crewed mission

[Anonymous No.11469350]

>>11469340
it looks like trump is the only candidate that has any interest in space. the rest look eager to take funding away from space for gibs.

[Anonymous No.11469360]

>>11469329
Mercury is so fucking far away

[Anonymous No.11469362]

>>11469335
Pushing it to the next administration means it has had zero progress so far and they hope it’ll just be cancelled

It had no real reason to exist anyways

[Anonymous No.11469365]

>>11469362
>It had no real reason to exist anyways
china is going to the moon and leo is old and busted

[Anonymous No.11469367]

>>11469335
>But they plan to set up Gateway in 2026, it’s not cancelled but deferred.
But that puts it after a theoretical second term for Trump. There is a good chance that his replacement will just cancel gateway in favor of a personal project.

[Anonymous No.11469369]

>>11469362
>Pushing it to the next administration means it has had zero progress so far and they hope it’ll just be cancelled

Gateway has already survived 2 administrations, has contracts signed, hardware being built/tested and Doug Loverro isn’t a political appointee.

[Anonymous No.11469370]

>>11469365
The only reason for gateway is that was as far as the sls can throw an Orion

[Anonymous No.11469392]

>>11469370
Wrong.

Gateway is a must for a sustainable missions to the moon and mars in the future.

[Anonymous No.11469400]

>>11469329
Because they were trying to ZOMG TEH TEUB MAP IZ SO KEWL, that's why.

[Anonymous No.11469409]

>>11469392
No, gateway is an optional structure that serves no purpose and will cost far more than it should.

The reason for it being further away is to justify missions for the SLS
Like how the ISS justified the shuttle
Existing commercial launch vehicles can’t put a capsule out there, excluding the FalconHeavy

This is the practice of doing nothing at billions per year that NASA has perfected

[Anonymous No.11469427]

>>11469392
Gateway is for throwing delta-v out out the window along with billions of dollars

[Anonymous No.11469438]

>>11469427
but it's a reason for the government to continue throwing billions at the moon, instead of stopping

[Anonymous No.11469564]

>>11469438
It’s all about circular justification of other NASA or Other space agency programs
Look at the fucking component list on the gateway Wikipedia
Just another ISS boondoggle in a ridiculous orbit this time

[Anonymous No.11469567]

>>11469564
yeah
is there an alternative?

[Anonymous No.11469637]

When is the next SpaceX launch?

[Anonymous No.11469650]

>>11469637
Sunday maybe

[Anonymous No.11469684]

The CZ-7A will launch for the first time on March 16

[Anonymous No.11469691]

>>11469684

[Anonymous No.11469709]

>>11468950
In terms of delta V, yes, and it's because you can do aerobraking at Mars and Venus, not the Moon.

[Anonymous No.11469715]

>>11469709
yeah I go on a rant about it>>11468981

[Anonymous No.11469765]

>>11469066
If Phobos were orbiting Earth it'd likely not have any significant amount of volatile compounds like water or CO2, not even bound as hydrated minerals. That being said, an Earth-orbiting Phobos would still be extremely useful as a gigantic source of bulk material such as basalt and iron oxide minerals that could be used to build large stations (steel liners and basalt fiber windings) sitting behind a very small delta V barrier.

[Anonymous No.11469784]

>>11469329
Because it's meaningless to have anything to any kind of scale in this diagram? Delta V doesn't correspond to distance in real life, at least not in any meaningful way. This graphic is basically just a pretty way to organize a simple spreadsheet of delta V values for given orbital situations.

[Anonymous No.11469833]

fuck SLS

[Anonymous No.11469875]

>>11469833
Hnnnggg...yes please

[Anonymous No.11470009]

>>11469691
now that is a different type of anthro

[Anonymous No.11470270]

>>11469263
nice info thc

[Anonymous No.11470326]

Hope Mars Mission : what about this one?

[Anonymous No.11470339]

>>11469709
>>11469715
> aerobraking
> Mars
if you have a good part of a year to spare doing it yeah

[Anonymous No.11470341]

>>11470326
UAE Mars orbiter, built at Colorado Uni by a UAE team with strong US guidance, will be launched on a Japanese H-2A rocket.

[Anonymous No.11470349]

>>11470326
>Hope Mars Mission
Intro

The Hope Probe will be the first probe to provide a complete picture of the Martian atmosphere and its layers when it reaches the red planet's orbit in 2021. It will help answer key questions about the global Martian atmosphere and the loss of hydrogen and oxygen gases into space over the span of one Martian year.

[Anonymous No.11470350]

>>11470339
no, Mars gets plenty thick enough to aerobrake in one go, but you better have really good reconnaissance of the state of the atmosphere before you start, just like all aerobraking

[Anonymous No.11470434]

>>11470339
It doesn't take a year to aerobrake fudposter

[Anonymous No.11470440]

>>11463861
>>11463880
>>11463900
>>11466841
you'll never see it because Elon's wealth is going to sink with Tesla.

[Anonymous No.11470450]

>>11470440
just after that big surge too... sad

[Anonymous No.11470457]

>>11470440
>Elon Musk tweeted on Friday March 6 that “coronavirus panic is dumb.” In the week since, the virus and concern about it has spread markedly in the U.S., and his net worth has tanked by $5.5 billion, an 18% drop, amid a 22% slide in Tesla shares. Musk is now worth $31.1 billion. He is still seemingly not worried about the novel coronavirus, emailing SpaceX employees on Friday morning that they are more likely to die in a car accident than from COVID-19, according to Buzzfeed News.

[Anonymous No.11470459]

>>11467896
>I don’t care.

You're a good little slave

[Anonymous No.11470469]

>>11470457
what he personally thinks doesn't change what's happening around him. The virus itself might be a nothingburger but people are still panicking as a result.

[Anonymous No.11470499]

>>11470440
Are SpaceX's finances mostly independent from Elon's wealth? I recall something about SpaceX taking steps to be not reliant on Elon's money.

[Anonymous No.11470501]

>>11470499
yeah

[Anonymous No.11470581]

>>11470434
> a good part of a year
lern2read
the quicker you do it, the riskier it gets

[Anonymous No.11470582]

So the Gateway project is scrapped? No one talking about this?

[Anonymous No.11470591]

>>11470582
>So the Gateway project is scrapped?

No, it’s been delayed, likely to after the planned 2024 landing. We’ll get more details on this deferment later this month.

>No one talking about this?

There was lots of discussion surrounding it earlier, but the lack of details means there’s not much to discuss.

[Anonymous No.11470602]

>>11470350
good reconnaissance? our models for atmospheric drag have been repeatedly off
it took MRO 6 months shave off enough speed with aerobraking
> "we saw a difference in the atmospheric density by a factor of 1.3, which means it was 30% higher than the model,”said Han You, Navigation Team Chief for MRO.
> “That’s quite a bit, but around the south pole we saw an even larger scale factor of up to 4.5, so that means it was 350% off of the Mars GRAM model."
Feel free to point out the fastest aerobraking Mars mission.

[Anonymous No.11470605]

>>11470602
MRO had bad reconnaissance, so they had to do a super conservative aerobrake

[Anonymous No.11470609]

>>11470591
>likely to after the planned 2024 landing
>gateway was supposed to be integral to moon landing

yikes

[Anonymous No.11470620]

>>11470609
Gateway is apparently no longer needed in the logistics of the manned moon mission. Even that silly 3 part lander is being reevaluated since it doesn't have to go to and from Gateway. I think it'll be a 2 part lander so that there would be a landing before the end of Trump's (hypothetical) second term.

[Anonymous No.11470643]

>>11470620
>Gateway is apparently no longer needed in the logistics of the manned moon mission.

It isn’t unless your planning to stay on the Moon for more than two weeks, as Orion has 3 weeks life support.

>3 part lander is being reevaluated since it doesn't have to go to and from Gateway.

The lander will have go to Gateway eventually, the actual reason for 3-stage landers falling out of fashion is likely technical. Doug looked in detail at the potential point of failures etc and went nope, deciding a simpler design would be better.

[Anonymous No.11470702]

>>11470643
>The lander will have go to Gateway eventually, the actual reason for 3-stage landers falling out of fashion is likely technical.

Maybe they could instead of launching 3 small segments to the Moon and performing automated orbital ballet to assemble them, launch the ascent and descent segments integrated in a single launch to LEO, the launch a transfer stage which will dock and send the stack to lunar orbit. This would be a good way to make use of New Glenn’s 45 ton LEO payload capacity and not force the National Team to radically change their design.

[Anonymous No.11470710]

[Anonymous No.11470723]

>>11470710
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S6STxv9LDE

[Anonymous No.11470777]

>>11470710
this guy from marrs one should make Lunar News from Aitken Basin sponsored by

[Anonymous No.11470785]

[Anonymous No.11470787]

>>11470785
unequivocally based

[Anonymous No.11470790]

>>11470785
>the rocket gijinka dating sim is real

[Anonymous No.11470791]

>>11470785
where's SARGE

[Anonymous No.11470792]

>>11470785
I want a high-rez version, now.

[Anonymous No.11470799]

>>11470792
>no starship chan yet

[Anonymous No.11470802]

>>11470799
She's still under construction.

[Anonymous No.11470805]

>>11470790
did you think we were joking

[Anonymous No.11470811]

>>11470805
That is absolutely disgusting.

Where can I get it?

[Anonymous No.11470832]

>>11469438
Spending money to go to space and do nothing is retarded. I'd rather defund NASA's human space flight program entirely than support a meaningless make-work program that represented a step backwards in terms of the industry as a whole, with minimal commercial usefulness.

[Anonymous No.11470838]

>>11470339
Aerobraking at Earth (when spacecraft are reentering) happens at altitudes where the atmosphere is Mars-like (thinner in fact).

[Anonymous No.11470840]

>>11470457
>a 22% slide in Tesla shares
Looks like a good time to BUY BUY BUY

[Anonymous No.11470882]

>>11470702
No commercial involvement in the lunar program mate
Everything has to fit in like 2 or 3 sls launches

[Anonymous No.11470944]

(early) launch thread for Starlink-6:
>>11470934

[Anonymous No.11471106]

Gateway is a psuedo ISS for the demented hostile shuttle program fags at NASA butthurt over those italics "commercials" taking over ISS instead of the shuttle servicing it like it was "supposed to", so they'll recreate a new ISS around their new neo-shuttle, kill ISS, and put commercials in their proper backseat role behind the glory and supremacy of the neo-shuttle, SLS and Orion, that is the focus and center of everything NASA does from now on, just how they like it.

It's not that Gateway is nothing or does nothing. It is both minor and harmless on its own and not the lynchpin of exploration of the moon or space.

Note there are multiple belligerent SLS factions and the no Gateway(or deferred) SLS based moon missions crowd are another. They want their way too.

[Anonymous No.11471133]

Gateway will probably survive, even if it gets delayed. I don't even think Starship could kill it at this point.

[Anonymous No.11471153]

>>11471133
If starship meets its cost expectations, or even remotely close to them and isn't strangled by some beauracrat bullshit then gateway will be btfo. Who will be going to the delta v tollbooth when starships are flying 100+ tonnes direct to lunar or Martian surface? Who will be going to tiny tin can gateway or iss when there are a few starships sitting in orbit providing stations with vastly more volume?

[Anonymous No.11471175]

>>11470591
>No, it’s been delayed, likely to after the planned 2024 landing
Yeah, that's bureaucratese for "It's been scrapped". 2024 landing is next.

[Anonymous No.11471295]

Why don’t they push the ISS over to Lunar orbit if they’re scrapping it anyway.

[Anonymous No.11471332]

>>11470785
>long march
>she is not tall as fuck
one job

[Anonymous No.11471339]

>>11468714
They are pretty much banned for life from the ISS so its not happening even with a new government.
They are making their own station(as they should since US and Russia are gate keeping knowledge from them) and probably found the docking standard to be adequate,so why not copy.
Its not like a bad thing since they save on research costs and get proven design.
This is not different than the Russians in the Buran days.

[Anonymous No.11471349]

>>11471295
seems difficult and expensive

[Anonymous No.11471380]

>>11471295
Because that would take thousands of tons of fuel? And the whole thing can’t handle any stress
Nor is it designed for the radiation environment outside LEO

[Anonymous No.11471422]

>>11471295
It's not designed for that.
If the goal was just to leave it in Space somewhere, there's extant graveyard orbits closer to Earth.
Deorbiting ensures it can do no harm.

[Anonymous No.11471550]

>>11471106
By that time, Starlink would be profitable and/or Starship with its ultra low cost would be functioning. OldSpace's last defense is SLS. Once SLS is dead, they'll be dead.

[Anonymous No.11471557]

>>11471339
they're banned for copying/stealing tech?

[Anonymous No.11471598]

>>11471557
No, for being commies. They were on the ITAR list forever, the USSR was too but it crashed. The decision to make the ISS has been made in 1993 with US-Russia agreement to join their planned stations into one.
China launched its project 921 in 1992 in response to the US-Russian negotiations, realizing NASA will refuse to work with them anyway, and they have nothing valuable to offer and change that; they were largely an agricultural country back then.

[Anonymous No.11471612]

>>11470792
>Falcon Heavy has MASSIVE... er... fairings
YES

[Anonymous No.11471816]

>>11471339
Russians weren't gatekeeping them from anything. Shenzhou was partially a result of Soyuz tech transfer, for example. And both Russians and EU weren't against Chinese participation in ISS, it was only US being autistic. They run joint programs like Chang'e or Moon Palace 1 (which is basically the evolution of BIOS-3 by Krasnoyarsk IBP and its Chinese equivalent).
>This is not different than the Russians in the Buran days.
What about them? Buran wasn't a copy of the tech, it was a domestic-produced and very differently designed counterpart for a perceived weapon of unclear purpose, also an attempt to match the capabilities/infrastructure.

[Anonymous No.11471848]

>>11471816
The International Docking Standard is open-source technology that has heritage going back to the Apollo-Soyuz mission. Noted Sinophile Charlie Bolden actually gifted the Chinese the technology. Therefore, the Chinese using it is in no way comparable to Buran.

[Anonymous No.11471973]

>>11470785
I am confused right now:
1 - Where is this art coming from
2- Where was this pic taken, because it looks like some sort of presentation

[Anonymous No.11471987]

>>11471973
Well I see NIHONBASHI all over, so probably somewhere in Japan. And it looks like it's on a monitor, and the monitor is on the window side of an office room, so I doubt it's a "presentation".

[Anonymous No.11472031]

new thread time

[Anonymous No.11472033]

>>11472031
Voting for DISREGARD Edition.

[Anonymous No.11472037]

>>11472033
make it then

[Anonymous No.11472040]

>>11472037
Don't have a matching pic on hand and need to go away from the computer for a while.

[Anonymous No.11472044]

>>11472040
oh okay
be safe out there