Coronavirus

[Anonymous No.11445737]

So, just how bad is it? What do we know? Will i be ok if I wash my hands? No schizos or conspiracy theories please.

[Anonymous No.11445741]

>>11445737
>no schizos or conspiracy
You will be just fine. You won't die, be steralized, or harbor a deadly tripwire in your body forever.

[Anonymous No.11445742]

was about to make a related thread but may as well post here instead... germaphobe pussy here, I have a respirator at home for use with spray paints/lacquer; would that be good enough to wear? I keep seeing this "n95" rated respirators, which look more like a piece of cloth. I'm assuming an industrial respirator is rated higher than those, and can do the job the n95 can? Is that correct? (I'm aware that its not the be all saviour... of course I'm doing all the main things too: washing hands, using antibacterial gel etc)

[Anonymous No.11445743]

>>11445737
Just dont rub your face in a Chinese people and you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.11445745]

>>11445742
You need vaporized everclear misting through that system for it to be effective.

[Anonymous No.11445746]

>>11445737
Just don't rub you face in any Chinese people and you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.11445749]

>>11445746
I have to use public transportation in an overseas colony of China (Canada)

[Anonymous No.11445752]

>>11445737
My cousin works as a customs agent. He says the news isn't telling us everything. There's no telling how many of our traded goods are infected, and half our shit is from China. It's gonna get way worse before it gets better. You're fuckin dead kiddo

[Anonymous No.11445754]

>>11445752
>you're fucking dead
I said no schizos
>>/x/

[Anonymous No.11445759]

>>11445749
nice knowing ya

[Anonymous No.11445760]

>>11445737
Its just a flu. Remember when SARs was the meme of the year? Yeah, me either.

[Anonymous No.11445762]

>>11445746
The chinese aren't spreading it anymore anon, they got it locked down in their home country.

Its now spreading in other nations just fine via idiots walking around refusing to admit it could be outside china (most scientists in the US think thousands have it now and are spreading it before the symptoms show).

>>11445737
If you have parents or grandparents 60 and up there's a good chance they're going to die, increasing as they go up in age (about 3% starting at the age of sixty and going up drastically to over 20% after 70)

If you have immune system defect or heart problems you have a decent chance of dying from it.
If not and you are 5-50, then you have about a .5% chance of dying IF YOU HAVE HOSPITAL CARE AVAILABLE. The majority of people won't be hit hard enough to have to go to the hospital, but there's still a pretty large number (over 10%) that will need hospital care to survive even if they have little chance of dying at the hospital.


This all will depend on how well the US health care system handles things, and given how many corners have been cut in order to maximize profits, there's going to be alot dead.
But you'll almost certainly be fine personally anon.

[Anonymous No.11445765]

>>11445760
>Southpark on sars

Oh, the people who made a shit ton of episodes calling global warming fake and then 10 years later started making episodes about how Global warming was actually real after all? (Manbearpig that is)

[Anonymous No.11445767]

>>11445762
>you cant be Chinese if you're not physically in China

[Anonymous No.11445771]

>>11445765
Manbearpig was in an alternate reality. Al Gore uses that as a talking point but misses the concept that Manbearpig was still fictional.

[Anonymous No.11445776]

>>11445762
>This all will depend on how well the US healthcare system handles things
IMO since the virus is already spreading through local communities, with the addition of asymptomatic people spreading it and people who are already showing symptoms but don't admit themselves to a hospital, I'd say the US is gonna have a rough time.

[Anonymous No.11445779]

>>11445767
it entered the US by people in contact with italians and iranians, not people who'd been in contact with chinese.

[Anonymous No.11445787]

>>11445776
i'm a bit worried myself since i'm a wagie working as a shift manager, so i'm basically 100% guaranteed to get it. and then i'll probably pass it along to my parents and relatives without realizing it.

[Anonymous No.11445797]

>zoomers first super bug
Its adorable seeing them freak out.

[Anonymous No.11445799]

>>11445787
Lately, whenever I've gone to a public place and have seen someone cough or sneeze, I wonder if the viral particles are already in the air where I am. As far I know there's only 1 CONFIRMED case of COVID-19 in my county, but the local govt. hasn't really done anything to really raise any sort of awareness towards the virus outside of the usual hand sanitizer. To me the overall laxness of local communities to do anything will make it's spread even faster.

[Anonymous No.11445824]

>>11445737
.5% of dying if you live in a 1st world country and access to medical facilities. Its not the actual virus but the parinoia that will cause all of the real problems because the media is conditioning people to be doomers. Dont believe the hype.

[Anonymous No.11445846]

So it's a nothingburger. Just have to wash my hands. Thanks, bros now I can sleep easier

[Anonymous No.11445865]

>>11445846
Yeah i mean just be smart and wash your hands before you put them in your mouth for whatever reason. Typical flu prevention items.

[Anonymous No.11445870]

>>11445742
>would that be good enough to wear?
no but you could attach a bong to it which would be sick bro

[Anonymous No.11445888]

>>11445824
Yeah the Australians are embarrassing themselves by hoarding toliet paper.

[Anonymous No.11445954]

>>11445824
Make that 5%, that is how it is doing in Italy

[Anonymous No.11445960]

>>11445954
>Italy
>first world country

[Anonymous No.11445976]

>>11445737
Normal flu protocol. The death rate is only related to the elderly and people prone to sicknesses.

[Anonymous No.11446012]

>thousands of people die within a few months
>LOL GUYS IT'S NOTHING
epic

[Anonymous No.11446015]

>>11446012
See
>>11445797

[Anonymous No.11446027]

>>11446015
name one other virus in recent history that has killed this many within a couple months

[Anonymous No.11446029]

>>11446027
Sars
Bird flu
West Nile

[Anonymous No.11446036]

>>11446027
Foot and Mouth disease

[Anonymous No.11446042]

>>11445960
>healthcare system which ranked #2 in the world by WHO in 2000
>more doctors/population than any country in the world
>literally invented quarantine to mitigate the plague

[Anonymous No.11446046]

>>11446027
Influenza has killed more people since October than coronavirus by about 1000%
It's nothing

[Anonymous No.11446053]

>>11446042
Relax Giuseppe

[Anonymous No.11446056]

>>11446029
>Sars
not even 1k
>Bird flu
not even 1k
>West Nile
probably not even 100
>>11446046
maybe because the flu is a consistent illness every single year and not a brand new virus that is constantly spreading more and more every week?

[Anonymous No.11446060]

>>11446056
Kek nice low effort trolling

[Anonymous No.11446064]

>>11446056
Yeah you're right actually. Better quit your job, panic buy all the food at Sainsbury's and barricade yourself in your house. Chop chop don't want to die now do we?

[Anonymous No.11446067]

>>11446056
SARs and Bird flu are the same thing. You truely are a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.11446071]

>>11446064
>strawman
just admit you don't care about this

[Anonymous No.11446091]

>>11446071
I literally could not give less of a fuck mate, it's nothing

[Anonymous No.11446100]

>>11446091
people are losing their lives over this, it's not nothing
nothing you say will make it nothing, you're just shitposting
might as well do it on a faster board like /int/

[Anonymous No.11446102]

>>11446100
>THINK OF THE CHILDREN
kek

[Anonymous No.11446142]

>>11446100
> PEOPLE ARE DYING
As I said earlier, 30,000 people have died of influenza since October last year. 10 million people die of cancer a year. The WHO estimates that 5 million people die of causes directly attributed to air pollution a year. 6000 people a day die in work related accidents.

You're worried about nothing man

[Anonymous No.11446152]

>>11446142
existing things that consistently kill vs evolving situation that can be contained and stopped
I'm not worried about myself, I'm worried about people dying because of retards saying it's nothing bro don't worry
if deaths can be prevented, there's no reason to say "it's nothing", but it's not like you're a part of the problem because this is fucking 4chan, nobody is gonna make a difference here anyway

[Anonymous No.11446158]

>>11446152
How old are you? 15?

[Anonymous No.11446160]

>>11445737
Bad. Everybody seems to have assumed that people were just kept locked in rooms, and waited to recover or die. That was a critical mistake. China is no longer a shithole, especially not Wuhan which become among the wealhiest cities in China. Also doctors for a one billion country could be sent to help in that one city. The people got the best care and roughly 3% did not recover.

80% are mild. Mild meaning you don't need to be hospitalized. It may still be pretty bad, you just don't need breathing support, or other treatment. 13% is severe. Oxygen mask, or non invasive ventilator. 6+% require full ICU stay.

The possible contacts of every case have been meticulously tracked down, it's extremely unlikely the numbers are way off. Italy reports even worse numbers. 10% go to ICU. It's virtually impossible that all these numbers are wrong.

It's also virtually impossible that any western country can deal with that if the infection goes out of control, and it will go out of control since no western country will quarrantine people to the extent of China. The west won't fare much better than Iran. Iran already gave up and told people to pray. Some top level politicians have died in Iran.

This all is assuming no further harmful mutations. The risk increases dramatically with the number of infected.

It cannot be really overstated how bad it is. No event in living memory approaches this level of bad.

[Anonymous No.11446163]

>>11446160
Grow up spakka

[Anonymous No.11446164]

>>11446152
Read this man's famous quote and you'll understand anon.

[Anonymous No.11446167]

>>11446160
Why does /sci/ get shit copy/pasta?

[Anonymous No.11446169]

>>11446158
*spits in your mouth*

[Anonymous No.11446171]

>>11446163
What do you fucking mean you fucking retard? This isn't a joke, you grow up.

[Anonymous No.11446174]

>>11446167
It isn't copy pasta, I just copied it hear because it fit both threads.

[Anonymous No.11446180]

>>11446167
why are you people incapable of actually responding to anything?

[Anonymous No.11446184]

>>11446174
>>11446180
You seem upset anons

[Anonymous No.11446185]

>>11446169
>>11446171

Yes. It is a joke. Unless you're 70+ years old and cavort around city centres. Its fucking nothing.

actyally, barricade yourself in your house, yes, quit your job. Stock up on canned beans and water. Buy a face mask. Hide in your basement for the next 2 years.

YOU FUCKING CRETIN

[Anonymous No.11446187]

>>11446185
>another retarded strawman

[Anonymous No.11446190]

>>11446180
I really dont care because its nothing. Go watch you're "Mr. METOKUR" or Memology videos because they agree with your false sense of superiority.

[Anonymous No.11446192]

>>11446187
>tu Quoque fallacies
Check mate anon

[Anonymous No.11446197]

>>11446192
See >>11446169

[Anonymous No.11446202]

>>11446197
>coughs in you

[Anonymous No.11446212]

>>11446185
No it isn't fucking nothing. A virus that sends upto 20% to hospital isn't fucking nothing you moron. There just isn't enough equipment to save a large number of those people. The death toll may easily exceed the Black Death by absolute numbers.

[Anonymous No.11446214]

>>11446202
>yfw you hear Arthur cough for the first time.

[Anonymous No.11446223]

>>11446212
See
>>11445797

[Anonymous No.11446227]

>>11446223
See >>11446169

[Anonymous No.11446230]

>>11446227
You're replying like I don't enjoy it. :^)

[Anonymous No.11446235]

>>11446223
I'm more than old enough to remember SARS, H5N1, Swine flu etc. This is different.>>11446160
>It cannot be really overstated how bad it is. No event in living memory approaches this level of bad.

It's bad. Worse than HIV. HIV used to kill, but you could easily avoid it. It will kill as much as Spanish flu with treatment and there will be no treatment for most. It's going to infect far more people than Spanish flu did.>>11446160
>It cannot be really overstated how bad it is. No event in living memory approaches this level of bad.

[Anonymous No.11446238]

>>11446102

[Anonymous No.11446299]

>>11446235
https://cmmid.github.io/topics/covid19/severity/diamond_cruise_cfr_estimates.html
Now fuck off.

[Anonymous No.11446301]

>>11446235
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
Now fuck off.

[Anonymous No.11446342]

>>11446301
Did you even read that article retard

[Anonymous No.11446376]

>>11446301
Obsolete and completely baseless.

[Anonymous No.11446382]

It's dangerous because it spreads fast and can overwhelm the medical system. In a year or so, it will be normalized like the flu.

[Anonymous No.11446445]

>>11446301
Don't even bother. The doomfag simply doesn't care if what it's saying is right or wrong. They simply want to sow panic and chaos.

[Anonymous No.11446447]

>>11446376
>6 days old
>obsolete
Absolutely seething /cvg/ subhuman.

[Anonymous No.11446467]

>>11446447
>the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%.
Kek. Try to keep up.

[Anonymous No.11446472]

>>11446447
That's a lot of new information in a situation like this.
Also most of the data comes from a country that claims to have only 150 flu deaths a year. It's just completely bizarre to assume the numbers are exagerrated.

[Anonymous No.11446503]

>>11446467
>On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia
Confirmed for having not actually reading the article because you're a /pol/ monkey. Stay in your general, brainlet.
>>11446472
Not exaggerating their numbers, but considering the disease's worldwide spread and localized cluster pooping up out of seemingly nowhere, it's safe to say there is a significant amount of unreported cases. The amount of infected and infected+recovered is likely to much higher than what has been recorded, simply because some people might not even they're infected.

[Anonymous No.11446531]

>>11446503
That's complete nonsense. There is usually around 150 new cases each day in China. It couldn't be that low if there was a lot of unreported cases.

[Anonymous No.11446547]

>>11446503
The number is higher now idiot. Keep. Up.

[Anonymous No.11446559]

>>11446531
Because the area most impacted has been under lockdown, an effective move for slowing down transmission. Ee'll have to see what happens now that they're trying to get back to business as usual. Interestingly, I can't find any info on new infections in china past March 1st.
>>11446547
Where's your source that the number is now higher based on cases that have a diagnosis of pneumonia?

[Anonymous No.11446569]

>>11446142
>As I said earlier, 30,000 people have died of influenza since October last year.
Coronavirus is already well over 10k once you take the Chinese crematorium evidence into account. They've got five crematoriums cremating 100 to 130 pneumonia deaths a day, the vast majority of which died at home without a coronavirus diagnosis and therefore are not accounted for in the official stats.

Coronavirus is already beating the flu in terms of deaths per month, and that's with only a small percentage of the world having been exposed to it. Now that it's rampaging through Italy, it'll spread to all of Europe, and it's certainly going through the US as well.

By all measurements, it's at best a new Spanish Flu. At its worst, it could be substantially worse.

[Anonymous No.11446571]

>>11446559
Whatever, I guess I'll go to /sci/ for week old information, and I can go to /pol/ (the board that was right) to get the better information. Italy had 20 cases two weeks ago by the way.

[Anonymous No.11446594]

>>11445954
The average age of the people who have died in Italy is 81. Are you 81?

[Anonymous No.11446596]

>>11446569
Stop talking shit you fear mongering wanker

[Anonymous No.11446600]

>>11445824
.1% if you don't smoke, are young, and do not have a chronic cardiovascular problem.

[Anonymous No.11446603]

>>11446569
>Now that it's rampaging through Italy
It's been going there for at least a month now, why aren't we seeing the same massive number of deaths? They're varying between a 2 and 4% death rate. Or are they lying in South Korea and France, who have a rate of 0.1%?

[Anonymous No.11446656]

>>11446596
https://youtu.be/GvIDF2wqTBE
https://youtu.be/mfWW2LjKmiM
Literally caught on audio.

When your country has to bus in fleets of mobile crematorium trailers and thousands of crematorium workers to handle the death count, shit is bad. Very bad.

[WC No.11446876]

If contained like in China - no problem but if left to spread with no effective quarantine system it will spread until about 60% of the population has caught it. 1% to 4% of them will die. For the US that's around 2 million minimum. For comparison, about 0.5 million soldiers US died in WWII. >>11446152

[Anonymous No.11446878]

>>11445742
You need eye protection and something rated n100 or p100 (the n and p are for non-oil resistant and oil resistant).
I considered getting a proper respirator in Jan when my friend in China started talking about this, but I'm a poorfag student and can't come off $200 for a respirator and filters.

[Anonymous No.11446883]

>>11446067
No they aren't, SARS is a coronavirus and bird flu is influenza.

[Anonymous No.11446886]

>>11446185
You're a fag. Period.

[Anonymous No.11447080]

>The national health institute said the average age of those who have died was 81

this virus is based as fuck lads

dab on the boomers

[Anonymous No.11447086]

>>11446569
Please no Russian fear mongering agents on my thread. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.11447105]

>>11447080
Maybe I will be able to afford a place to live now.

[Anonymous No.11447164]

>>11447080
I'm fairly certain the age will be lower in America with how many unhealthy, morbidly obese boomers there are compared to China, South Korea, and Italy.

[Anonymous No.11447176]

Best advice if you're worried, don't trust knobs on 4chan for advice

[Anonymous No.11447216]

>>11447164
Chinese and koreans, yeah. Italians aren't exactly the thinnest. Almost as fat as the british.

[Anonymous No.11447271]

>>11445779
Chang writing history here

[Anonymous No.11447302]

>>11445824
Keep in mind "Have access to medical facilities" is still key.
This means that a far large number WILL die if they don't go to the hospital and try and ride it out.

[Anonymous No.11447306]

>>11446046
There's also a vaccine for the flu so less people can get it, while you're virtually 100% going to get this if you come in contact with its particles in an infectious area of your body due to not having prior immune experience in your body fighting it.

[Anonymous No.11447311]

>>11446185
Oh yeah, that chinese doctor that died in his 30s was REALLY over 70!

[Anonymous No.11447325]

>have autistic online friends
>they have gassed themselves up to believe this is literally HIV and its sterilizes you
>they have spent thousands in prepper shit
>quit their jobs


It would be nice if these medical orgs would help calm these retards down a bit with some hard information and not break news every time somebody catches it.

my governor held a fucking live press conference last night because somebody caught it. What would the public do if they did this with the flu?

Instead they go on tv and say masks dont work yet they are ordering manufacturing of them into overdrive.

[Anonymous No.11447330]

>>11447311
>china

Daily reminder that italy , iran , china , south korea all have horrific atmospheric conditions that basically makes everyone who breathes a chronic smoker.

700 people have it in switzerland and 1 person died.

likely thousands have it in the US and only some people in an old folks home died

[Anonymous No.11447350]

>>11447330
its been in the US for roughly a week, it takes almost a week for symptoms to start.
give it another 1-2 weeks and the death tolls will start.

And Japan is having a bad time of it despite being 100% a first world nation.

[Anonymous No.11447377]

>>11446171
More people have died in car accidents in the last 24 hrs than have died of coronavirus in three months.

[Anonymous No.11447393]

>>11447377
car accidents aren't infectious

[Anonymous No.11447399]

>>11445752
It cant survive on surfaces.

[Anonymous No.11447405]

>>11445742
For your sake I'm not going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and I'm going to assume you're retarded just in case you actually are. No offense, it's because I care.

That respirator requires filters, it doesn't work on its own. You can get filters in all sorts ratings. If you don't have any buy some while you still can, n95 or above.

[Anonymous No.11447414]

>>11445737
The most difficult part of NCoV to deal with is not how high its lethality really is, but that the symptoms of this virus.
if "left untreated", it can quickly develop to a stage where it can be fatal.
At the same time, it is transmitted by air / droplet / aerosol, and R0 is as high as 3.8 (data from the Lancet), which means that millions of people will be infected and then in a state that will not die temporarily but "Mild" (term comes from WHO) conditions that require continuous treatment.
The result is that people run on medical resources.

Then every hospital capable of receiving treatment will be in a state of chronic shortage of personnel and supplies, because no hospital on the planet is currently designed to accept and treat people as a percentage of the local population. There is also no response plan for medical personnel who are also infected at this particular situation. what's the result? The hospital was flooded with rich or powerful, and the rest were waiting to die at home.

Maybe your immune system is strong enough to generate your own immunity before the symptoms of pneumonia come to a lethal stage, then you survive. If your immune system is not strong enough, or you may have underlying diseases (such as long-term smoking, obesity, diabetes, cancer, or whatever), then you can basically only pray at this stage.

[Anonymous No.11447417]

>>11445960
>if i keep denying the truth everything will be okay

[Anonymous No.11447426]

>>11446142
The people that keep posting this cope are going to be the ones that have the most trouble coming to terms with their loved ones dying of a disease they devoted so much mental energy to trying to ignore.

[Anonymous No.11447452]

can someone redpill me on why this doesn't even affect babbies and males are more susceptible

[Anonymous No.11447456]

>>11447399
it can survive for 48 hours.

[Anonymous No.11447471]

>>11446152
lets ban cars because it will save lives. If you disagree you are literally responsible for people dying.

[Anonymous No.11447475]

>>11447452
Children's viral target protein receptors may not be fully developed, or they may be inadequate, resulting in a lower incidence or weaker symptoms after infection in children. However, there are still many elderly people over 90 years of age who develop disease faster than children, so this view remains to be verified.
As for men, it is mainly caused by lung problems and cancer caused by smoking.

[Anonymous No.11447484]

>>11447393
bullets arnt infectious so If people suddenly went around door to door kiling people house by house on a grand scale that would be OK because it's not infectious.

[Anonymous No.11447531]

>>11447471
retard

[Anonymous No.11447551]

>>11446152
This. I feel like the world is filled with pathetic egocentrics currently who can't think past themselves and the immediate future.

[Anonymous No.11447560]

>>11445737
Your mom and dad are going to die. Your grandparents, aunts, and uncles too. Don't reject the offer from FEMA to dump them into a mass grave, you won't be able to afford to keep them on ice for the backlog to clear out.
If you or your siblings get sick, you won't be able to get a hospital bed like 25% of cases require. If you're lucky, you'll be able to get a cot in a converted school gymnasium. Stock up on IV drips and teach your siblings, nieces, and/or nephews how to administer them.
You won't be able to buy shit come April, supply chains are fucked and are masking it with dwindling inventory. The economy and even local governments will be kneecapped.

[Anonymous No.11447571]

>>11446603
>why aren't we seeing the same massive number of deaths?
We do. Italy has reported 197 deaths by now.
>>11447377
The number of car accidents isn't rising exponentially.

[Anonymous No.11447574]

>>11446603
>why aren't we seeing the same massive number of deaths?
We are. Italy has reported 197 deaths by now.
>>11447377
The number of car accidents isn't rising exponentially.

[Anonymous No.11447817]

>>11446594
>The average age of the people who have died in Italy is 81
HAHAHAHAHA
How the fuck are people so concerned about this overrated flu wannabee, people really are sheeps.

[Anonymous No.11447833]

>>11447574
>197 deaths
Among 3858 cases and the average age of those deaths is around 80 years olds.
Stop fearmongering you boomer no one cares.

[Anonymous No.11447835]

>>11445737
https://www.bitchute.com/video/eVF5ce10ltlJ/

[Anonymous No.11447838]

People at my uni started coofing last week.

[Anonymous No.11447867]

>>11445737
You are likely to get it, but you are unlikely to die from it. Think of it like a flu, it spreads like wildfire, you are going to be miserable for a few weeks, but then you get over it.

[Anonymous No.11447874]

My take, my opinion:

It is pretty bad, well, if you're unhealthy, a smoker or an old person - it's definitely pretty bad. These people are most likely going to die.

It's more of a case of, when it hits you, not if.

It's going to be a pretty bad flu. Stay at home. Don't infect anyone.

More than likely you will survive, but the fallout (economically, social impact etc) from this is still going to be pretty nuts.

However,

"In the end, Covid-19 is a mild cold for the majority of people, the biggest fear is not the virus itself but the panic, which is happening unfortunately," said Shibuya. March 05th 2020.(Director of the Institute for Population Health at King's College London, and a former chief of health policy at the World Health Organization.)

Don't ignore it, but don't panic either. Just be sensible.

Wash your hands.

[Anonymous No.11447881]

>>11445737
you're okay if you have less ACE2 receptors.

[Anonymous No.11447924]

>>11447456
>48 hours
stop lying it can live only few hours without host

[Anonymous No.11447952]

>>11447924
Stop spreading disinfo, you pathetic piece of shit.

https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/fulltext

[Anonymous No.11448044]

>>11447874
The essence of your post is correct, but the fact that you cited the WHO as some infallible authority makes you sound like a fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.11448056]

>>11447311
He died because the chinese government killed him. Both of his parents caught it and have recovered.

[Anonymous No.11448058]

>>11447574
>197 deaths
It should be thousands if china has had tens of thousands of deaths.

[Anonymous No.11448088]

>>11446142

>30,000 people have died of influenza since October last year.

how many were infected, tho?

>10 million people die of cancer a year

not transmissible, takes time to develop

>5 million people die of causes directly attributed to air pollution a year

not a disease, takes time to develop

>6000 people a day die in work related accidents.

not a disease, is avoidable but we are retarded

this new virus is not the plague, but is not a light thing as a normal flu.

jesus people, no need to panic but maybe be a little concerned, there's a spectrum of possibilities between "nothing" and "Oh god flying scorpions with ebola filled venom sacks which make eyeballs explode".

[Anonymous No.11448100]

>>11448044
Well they're not infallible, but personally I see them as the most trustworthy out of anyone - and do generally have the same line of advice.

My point in quoting was that this isn't going to kill us all, it's not the end of the world - and is not as bad as it seems, yet at the same time - we do need to take precautions and it makes sense how the governments are reacting to this - because we don't know what's going to happen in the future, the virus could mutate, it might not, and also we will all be affected differently. It's entirely possible for a otherwise healthy human being to be fucked over by this virus. But Jesus, just keep calm, because how is panicking going to help us tackle the situation?

>>11448088
basically this

[Anonymous No.11448118]

>>11448058
China had tens of thosuand infected and several thousands deaths. Not tens of thousands deaths.

[Anonymous No.11448128]

Everybody talking about death like it's being worst thing about life...

Living with neural damage can be much more frustrating than being fucking death.

[Anonymous No.11448133]

>>11447867
You are literally retarded. Stop giving advice. 20% end up hospitalized.

[Anonymous No.11448160]

>>11448133
It's actually 14%. People like you then interpret it as 20% and then brainlets like >>11447560 hear what you say and think 25%.
Imagine having nothing better better to do than fearmonger on a kazakhstani leather working board.

[Anonymous No.11448161]

>>11448118
The post I was replying to insinuated china was hiding 10k deaths. That was why I was questioning why weren't seeing the same level of lethality in italy or south korea.

[Anonymous No.11448168]

>>11448160
No it isn't. Its 13.something hospitalized 6.something ICU.

[Anonymous No.11448199]

>>11448088
Agreed. I am gay for this fag.

[Anonymous No.11448209]

>>11448168
Point is it's pretty obvious there's sizable disinformation campaign going on here to spread panic and confusion on top of naysayers claiming it's a nothingburger.

[Anonymous No.11448282]

>old fucks and fatasses are at risk of dying

good

[Anonymous No.11448300]

>19
>family works at a hospital and not taking it seriously enough
>male
>third world country
how do i survive this?

[Anonymous No.11448303]

Can this finally stop humans from expanding into territories of different spiecies and being ignorant so much they even destroy them by side effect of their production?

Isn't it iconic, that it's destroying lungs?

[Anonymous No.11448304]

>>11448300
Just like you survived 9/11

[Anonymous No.11448335]

>>11446046
People like you are too stupid to breathe.

[Anonymous No.11448393]

>>11448303
the weak should fear the strong. species that cant handle us should die out. only reason to protect them is for their services to us.

[Anonymous No.11448408]

>>11448133
Yeah, boomers. You think anyone on this website is an actual boomer? OP will get the flu and be fine after a couple of weeks.

[Anonymous No.11448424]

>>11448408
20% get hospitalized on average. Not old people.

[Anonymous No.11448485]

>>11448408
And it isn't only age, over 7% people with diabetes died, for example.

[Anonymous No.11448501]

Whole motto of corona virus, if you're bunch of lung tissue cells is: If you don't admit you have failed, you have to fail again. Is it that difficult to signal your cells that they have failed?

[Anonymous No.11448509]

>>11448485
Getting diabetes gets you immortal?

[Anonymous No.11448528]

>>11448424
13-14% need to be hospitalized i.e meds, 5-6% intensive care i.e. actual long term hospital stay.
This lines up conveniently with about the numbers one would expect from elderly + people with immune system and lung problems.

[Anonymous No.11448535]

>>11445762
>If not and you are 5-50, then you have about a .5% chance of dying IF YOU HAVE HOSPITAL CARE AVAILABLE

[Anonymous No.11448562]

>>11448535
You know they say that all men are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Samoa Joe and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another wrestler, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But I'm a genetic freak and I'm not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beat me. Then you add Kurt Angle to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the 3 way, at Sacrifice, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because Kurt Angle KNOWS he can't beat me and he's not even gonna try!

So Samoa Joe, you take your 33 1/3 chance, minus my 25% chance and you got an 8 1/3 chance of winning at Sacrifice. But then you take my 75% chance of winning, if we was to go one on one, and then add 66 2/3 per cents, I got 141 2/3 chance of winning at Sacrifice. See Joe, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you at Sacrifice.

[Anonymous No.11448592]

>>11445752
My uncle working in nintendo confirms it

[Anonymous No.11448616]

>>11448528
No, that isn't how they count it. 13-14 need some kind of simple breathing support (mask), 6+ need intensive care.

[Anonymous No.11448636]

>>11448562
Absolutely based.

[Anonymous No.11448649]

Where are the people that kept saying it was a nothingburger?
In Italy, Lombardy specifically, about as first world as the first world can get, there a 35% daily infection rate, a 40% hospitalization rate, and a 3.6% death rate
A 40% hospitalization rate can NOT be handled by any healthcare system whatsoever, this thing will destroy Italy and 40% of the population will die from it, and another 10-15% will die from untreated unrelated illnesses

[Anonymous No.11448667]

>>11448649
>this thing will destroy Italy
stop overdosing on redpills anon, the most that will happen is that it will become yet another seasonal infection.

[Anonymous No.11448673]

>>11448667
Actually scratch that, the hospitalization rate is more than 50%
2651 infected out of 5061 are hospitalized
Source: ANSA.it, Protezione Civile
I don't think you understand the facts

[Anonymous No.11448677]

>>11448673
This doesn't take into account all the of the people who have the illness and haven't been tested or reported.
Most people feel shitty and then stay at home.

[Anonymous No.11448679]

Pandemic-wise the corona virus is not likely to kill you. The problem is the large social impact.
1. The sick needs to be quarantined, therefore less people go to work, reducing economic output
2. The supply chain is utterly broken, starting from China and Japan, production of everything will be slowed down after their stock material has been used up.
3. The health care system is flooded by the patients, reducing its ability to cure other disease or illness. If it turns into a pandemic like China, the real death rate will increase as those who cannot get medical attention are not counted.
Basically, it's nothing wrong to prep some food/daily needs, especially if you're in a city.

[Anonymous No.11448689]

>>11448562
That's a Scott Steiner quote. How well timed. His heart stopped in the last 24 hours

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/wwe/11118929/wrestling-scott-steiner-hospital-heart/amp/

[Anonymous No.11448700]

>>11448677
Do you have any professional approximation of those people? Or is that just your opinion?

[Anonymous No.11448722]

>>11448700
dude, the reason why it's so damn infectious it's because of how mild it is

[Anonymous No.11448723]

>>11448667
A disease so severe won't become just another "seasonal" disease. There isn't even a good reason it becomes seasonal at all, it's going rampant in warm countries.
>>11448677
>>11448722
Not extremely likely if contacts are being tracked. There is a general agreement that not a large number of people is likely to be asymptomatic.
>>11448679
It isn't likely to kill you as long as the facilities are not over capacity. It will kill you easily once they are.
I don't think people realize china had the health care for one billion available to tend to that one city, no country has the capacity to care for everybody when they let the disease to spread.

[Anonymous No.11448727]

>>11448722
It's mild the first few weeks. Then it gets worse.

[Anonymous No.11448745]

>>11448700
Last stat I saw, 1 out of 6 people end up going to the hospital. Presumably the rest recover at home.

[Anonymous No.11448751]

>>11448723
>it's going rampant in warm countries.
cold and flu also happen in tropical countries my friend.

[Anonymous No.11448755]

>>11448723
>it's going rampant in warm countries.
Is it? I thought the likes of India, South America and Africa were relatively free compared to Asia and Europe.

[Anonymous No.11448767]

>>11448755
We’ll probably see a spike since winter in South America and Africa only starts around May.

[Anonymous No.11448859]

I recall reading that a few drugs were likely to be effective against the symptons of this virus ( chloroquine and remdesivir), but it still required phase 3 medical testing. Does anyone know how long this phase usually takes? Can it be exptected within a few months?

[Anonymous No.11448875]

>>11448859
According to the FDA, you need 300 to 3,000 volunteers for phase 3, and the length of study is 1-4 years.
https://www.fda.gov/patients/drug-development-process/step-3-clinical-research

[Anonymous No.11448876]

>>11448875
Just get 80,000 and do it in 6 months

[Anonymous No.11448878]

>>11448876
>get 9 pregnant women to carry out a one month pregnancy

[Anonymous No.11448882]

>>11448878
pleb

[Anonymous No.11448893]

>>11448876
I mean you COULD do that but I don't know why you WOULD. The whole idea of phase 3 is to have enough people to where you can record the safety of the drug from a long-term perspective or if there are any rare complicationsjthat come along with taking the drug being tested. THAT'S why it takes a couple of years.

[Anonymous No.11449007]

>>11448878
This works if you need an ongoing supply of babies on a one-month interval, just stagger the pregnancies.

[Anonymous No.11449266]

>>11448562
KWAB

[Anonymous No.11449278]

https://www.hkmj.org/system/files/hkm0912sp8p21.pdf

This is a follow up study on SARS
1 year after the infected people recovered, 25% of them had reduced lung function and abnormal readings on chest radiographs, or basically permanent lung damage. How similar to SARS is the new Coronavirus?

[Anonymous No.11449305]

>>11445797
I thought superbug was used as a term for antibiotic resistant bacteria, not viruses.

[Anonymous No.11449312]

>>11449278
Well, it's called SARSCoV-2 for a reason and it seems to really like destroying lung cells.

[Anonymous No.11449346]

>>11449305
it is, ignore thot posters

[Anonymous No.11449349]

ZAY: IF THE DECRET RESTS SO WILL PRESET OBSERVATIONS

[Anonymous No.11449355]

GALLERY: "ON THE SPOSTAMENTS THE DECRET MANDS FORT INVITE BUT WITHOUT MILITARIZZAR"

[Anonymous No.11449361]

>>11445762
One thing I don't think people take into account is the long incubation period. 2 weeks is a long time to be infecting people sure, but that also means everybody isn't going to be sick all at once.

[Anonymous No.11449365]

>>11446656
I'm still waiting for you to prove that this audio is legitimate. You keep posting it yet something like this could be easily faked.
>evidence you post an audio clip uploaded to youtube with no verification and call it evidence? Are you actually retarded? Are you the same retard who said it infected 100k people in a few days last month?

[Anonymous No.11449368]

ORDIN OF THE MEDICS: ALL THE PATIENTS ARE EQUAL

[Anonymous No.11449369]

>>11445888
This happening in NZ too. It's all because of retards on social media and the fact that toilet paper takes up so much shelf space.
If the apocalypse was coming, the last thing I'd care about is wiping my ass

[Anonymous No.11449384]

>>11446012
More people die from road accidents in one day than have died from this meme in 4 months.
A few thousand deaths isn't much in the grand scheme of things.

[Anonymous No.11449389]

>>11446594
>literally higher than the life expectancy of most countries in the world
>considering males are disproportionately represented this is squarely in line with italy's life expectancy
the mistake we made was reporting these deaths as coronavirus related when this was only one of the many causes. if we were hiding our numbers like the germans i'm confident half of those deaths would be gone

[Anonymous No.11449398]

>>11446569
> Coronavirus is already beating the flu in terms of deaths per month
This is some shit disinfo Ivan. A bad flu season kills 600,000 annually. That's 50,000 a month.
Outside of China about 200 have died in 4 months.

[Anonymous No.11449407]

I was recently on a trip with my friends to a really crowded city and I was drinking with every possible soul I found there, one of which was a homeless, really weird black guy, which is somehow not really too confidence inducing. It's been two weeks now and it seems I may just have gotten the flu, should I be worried, /sci/?

[Anonymous No.11449411]

>>11449365
Unless the CCP falls and their records are exhumed there will never be 'proof'. All we can ever hope to find is corroborating evidence, for which there is tons. Social media postings of other crematorium crews about how they're proud to be serving their country by going to Wuhan, pictures of the mobile crematorium trailers they're sending in, weather satellites noticing huge rises in sulfur content within the air around Wuhan, and videos of the hearse vans retrieving 6+ bodies to go back to the crematoriums at a time.

[Anonymous No.11449432]

WILL EVERYONE JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND TALK REAL SCIENCE? Christ everyone here is a retard. We have a new emerging virus floating around and you idiots are so freaking pissed /pol/ figured out something for once (and I'm NOT siding with/pol/) that you just keep arguing about if we're all gonna die or not. Goddammit I wanted to LEARN about this virus and what it does and is doing not argue about if it's "happening" or not

[Anonymous No.11449440]

>>11449398
You're right, this is the same morbidity and mortality as the flu. This happens every year. It's just the flu. This always happens with the flu. It's the flu bro. It's really just the flu. This happens every year with the flu. Countries shut down their streets because of the flu. If only they know like you did that it was just the flu. Let's just keep comparing the numbers to the flu.

[Anonymous No.11449445]

>>11445737
I got the flu last year and just felt pretty bad for a few days. It goes away on its own.

[Anonymous No.11449503]

>>11449432
>/pol/ figured out something for once
And this would be what, exactly?

[Anonymous No.11449505]

>>11449411
So you're just going to believe an unrevified, random, youtube upload when chinks don't even fucking have youtube? Retards like you are why people are becoming hysteric over this.

[Anonymous No.11449548]

>>11449505
It wasn't a chink that posted it. It was a channel outside of China that does investigative journalism who claimed they were the ones to call in. All it took was a native speaker and the right phone number.

[Anonymous No.11449616]

>>11446301
Can't open the link, what does it say?

[Anonymous No.11449631]

>>11448723
>rampant in warm countries

High temps have been proven to slow down the spread.

Also, what >>11448751
said. Warm temperatures slow down the spread of these kinds of viruses, making people less likely to develop the sorts of symptoms that allow for mass spreading.

[Anonymous No.11449671]

>>11449365
Epoch Times is a reputable newspaper when it comes to exposing the truth about China, enough so that they've been attacked for it even physically several times:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9KPhPqck6Q
>implying the reporter from Epoch somehow staged this call
>when it corroborates with other reports around Wuhan such as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyzsKSaXmtQ&t=406s
>crematorium driver also mentions about half confirmed case death corpses and half unconfirmed or unrelated

[Anonymous No.11449677]

>>11449548
Okay, so lets look at a bit of the finer details
>uploader states that the video was done by the Epoch Times, a news outlet headquartered in New York in very early February
>the Epoch Times website lists nothing about this video, and actually doesn't reference it at all on their website either in English or Chinese or their youtube channel
>the source of the video is clearly the upload that you posted, it isn't found anywhere else on the internet
Now please, actually try verifying this video for everyone.

[Anonymous No.11449684]

>>11449671
So if they did do the video, where is it on their website or youtube page?

[Anonymous No.11449688]

>>11449684
i don't know

[Anonymous No.11449689]

>>11449677
>the Epoch Times website lists nothing about this video, and actually doesn't reference it at all on their website either in English or Chinese or their youtube channel
Wrong.
They literally use it in their own YouTube channel video and claim it was their investigator that did the call:
https://youtu.be/iZ9FIpo2oNg
From the video description:
>On February 4th, an undercover Epoch Times reporter talked with senior members from some of Wuhan’s biggest funeral homes. The conversations show a simple yet heart-wrenching fact: The math simply doesn’t add up. The number of bodies being cremated just doesn’t match the government’s figure, by a large margin.

[Anonymous No.11449728]

>>11449684
They have like 5 different channels and several language websites but this on their English website:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/funeral-home-worker-in-wuhan-epicenter-of-coronavirus-we-are-working-24-7-to-cremate-bodies_3227432.html
and here:
https://www.epochtimes.com/gb/20/2/4/n11843944.htm

[Anonymous No.11449731]

it's airborne AIDS

[Anonymous No.11449735]

>>11449731
https://youtu.be/O1bC52BIvHY

[Anonymous No.11449761]

>>11448755
that's because they haven't reached them yet, italy is being hit hard.

[Anonymous No.11449766]

>>11449631
Iran is spreading like wildfire and that's in teh middle east. Not going to get much hotter than the deserts.

[Anonymous No.11449770]

I have Type 2 Diabetes, will I die if I get Coronavirus?

[Anonymous No.11449775]

>>11449689
Thanks, couldn't find it for some reason. Looked a bit more into this.
>epoch times
>falon gong cult owned news paper that obviously hates china and actually is known to have tweeted fake news articles in the past about the country
>"the media outlet’s ownership and operation is closely tied to Falun Gong, a Chinese spiritual community with the stated goal of taking down China’s government." (obviously biased)
Though you gave me what I was looking for, do we have any actual unbiased news sources about this or is the Falun Gong the only source we have at the moment?

And, lets just say that it is legitimate. I don't want to post this link, but it does list some good points
https://www.anti-empire.com/breitbart-peddles-falun-gong-fairy-tales-on-wuhan-virus/
But lets also look at other details.
>cremation is a very common burial practice in china
>Wuhan is big and has 19 million chinks living in it
>Hu told the Epoch Times that the backlog of people waiting to be cremated was not due to lack of space in the burners, but lack of sufficient transportation and collapsing staff numbers
>the interview even states that most of the dead probably aren't from nCoV, it even says that they're just assuming that everyone there dies of nCoV
>according to the Epoch Times, the CCP openly admitted to burning corpses, but that nCoV corpses have to be burned seperately and on their own for that given day, but since everyone must assume that they're lying, what's stopping them from just mixing corpses and burning them like the crematorium obviously admitted to doing?
So in a city of 19 million where cremation is common and a new quarantine is making places understaffed, why does everyone assume that the increased workload of the current in-staff people must be due to everyone dying of nCoV?

[Anonymous No.11449783]

>>11449684
Anon found it here >>11449689
https://youtu.be/iZ9FIpo2oNg

[Anonymous No.11449792]

>>11445737
It's simple. When it's serious, the media don't care.

Just wash your fucking hands, don't touch your eyes/nose/mouth and stay away from the sick.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

[Anonymous No.11449822]

>>11449783
Yeah, I don't know why I couldn't find it anywhere. Thanks again, though.

[Anonymous No.11449824]

>>11447399
>It cant survive on surfaces.
Um...

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/coronaviruses-how-long-can-they-survive-on-surfaces

>The first section of the new paper focuses on how long coronaviruses can survive on inanimate surfaces, such as tables and door handles. The authors show that, depending on the material and the conditions, human coronaviruses can remain infectious from 2 hours to 9 days.

At temperatures of around 4°C or 39.2oF, certain versions of the coronavirus could remain viable for up to 28 days. At temperatures of 30–40°C (86–104°F), coronaviruses tended to persist for a shorter time.

At room temperature, a coronavirus responsible for the common cold (HCoV-229E) persisted significantly longer in 50% humidity than 30% humidity. Overall, the authors conclude:

“Human coronaviruses can remain infectious on inanimate surfaces at room temperature for up to 9 days. At a temperature of 30°C [86°F] or more, the duration of persistence is shorter. Veterinary coronaviruses have been shown to persist even longer for 28 d[ays].”

When the scientists delved into the literature on the persistence of coronaviruses on different surfaces, the results were variable. For instance, the MERS virus persisted for 48 hours on a steel surface at 20°C (68°F). However, on a similar surface and at the same temperature, TGEV survived for up to 28 days.

Similarly, two studies investigated the survival of two strains of SARS coronavirus on a paper surface. One survived 4–5 days, the other for just 3 hours.

[Anonymous No.11449834]

>>11449775
No shit they're associated with anti-governmental groups. You'd have to be to be foolish enough to post anti-CCP anything within Chinese held territory.

And who decided the news articles they tweeted were fake news? Just because someone invoked the term means it's true.

And yes, if the phone call is true, the cause is nCoV. They talk about it in depth during the phone call. They go through how they're working double shifts, not the single shift they usually do. They mention how they're handling enormously more bodies per day than they normally do. They mention how most of the bodies are coming from households, not hospitals.

Unless you're making the claim that these people are starving to death due to the draconian quarantine, which seems unlikely given that the phone call occurred on February 4th not too long after the quarantine measures were enacted and household food stores should still not be exhausted, then yes, they're definitely dying of nCoV.

And finally, after all your talk demanding sources, the instant you get one you immediately shout 'fake news' with no source to your claim. I don't really give a shit, I'm satisfied that the phone call is legit, but I love the irony of it.

[Anonymous No.11449841]

>>11445752

guys corona nintendo entertainment system just flew over my house. what do?

[Anonymous No.11449850]

if you're under 60 years old and not sickly/compromised then you're pretty much fine. what you should be truly terrified about is the economy sharting its pants.

[Anonymous No.11449877]

>>11449850
>NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT

[El Arcón No.11449928]

As of today, Johns Hopkins is reporting 5.7% death rate.

[Anonymous No.11449942]

>No shit they're associated with anti-governmental groups.
Except that I never said it was about being anti-government. Not only, at least. The Falun gong are actual cultists, not on the memetic sense. They’re unironic schizophrenics and you actually need to go look up how not even just china doesn’t like them. Not even the Japanese like them. Hell, they actually promote conspirary theories, unrelated to china in their advertisements which is one reason why they get banned from buying ads on some websites. Their controversies are why I asked if there were any other sources.

>And yes, if the phone call is true, the cause is nCoV. They talk about it in depth during the phone call.
Which is funny because that isn’t true at all. Even Epoch specifically states in their article that it’s highly possible that not all bodies that got cremated got killed by nCoV and the interviewee never says that is the case either. For fucks sake, the person that talked to Epoch even gave a figure of bodies that they recently cremated, and only 8 were confirmed cases. Only about 40 other bodies were “suspected cases” which doesn’t even confirm that the person actually had it. The person in the interview tells epoch that they’re working longer hours and dealing with more bodies primarily because they have dysfunctional burners and are lacking workers and proper transportation. This is specifically talked about by Epoch. People also aren’t just going to stop dying of other causes because nCoV exists. It doesn’t alter space-time and stop other causes of death.

[Anonymous No.11449947]

>>11449942
meant for
>>11449834
>And finally, after all your talk demanding sources, the instant you get one you immediately shout 'fake news'
I never shouted “fake news” when anyone linked me the video source that I asked for. I specifically stated that I couldn’t find the epoch times linking of the video, for some reason, and then people posted it at me. So I said thanks. I also even admitted to the videos apparent legitimacy, but also asked if we had any other outlets reporting similar cases because of how controversial Epoch is. I’ll never understand why some of you people get so ass blasted when people ask for a source. It’s like you just want people to be blind sheep. I figured this board would be one of the boards that actually supported fact checking and not hearsay.

Congratulations on completely ignoring the rest of my post, though. If you’re next point is to bring up how many workers the crematorium has, I’m going to ask you again if a city with over 19 million people having a handful of crematoriums that all have around 100 workers is strange, or if a city of 19 million having a lot of cremations also doesn’t make sense.

[Anonymous No.11449949]

>>11449928
That isn't how you calculate CFR. The current rate is 3.3%.

[Anonymous No.11449956]

>>11449278
Don't expect to run after getting it.

[Anonymous No.11449973]

>>11449942
I am willing to put money down that the vast majority of Falun Gong's reputation is Chinese funded propaganda. I'm sure they've got their kooks, but it sure is convenient that the most vehement anti-CCP group in China's nothing but a bunch of straw men, isn't it?

>>11449942
>Only about 40 other bodies were “suspected cases” which doesn’t even confirm that the person actually had it.
THIS IS THE ENTIRE POINT
THIS
RIGHT HERE
THIS LINE
They're literally cremating pneumonia deaths without reporting them as nCoV deaths. That's what they say in the interview. That's what they say in the article. That's the ENTIRE POINT of bringing it up.

And that's 30-40% of their dead, daily, according to their numbers. Undocumented pneumonia deaths from people who stayed home and didn't go to the hospital (because the hospitals are overcrowded).

They literally talk about how they're dealing with more bodies per day than they've ever dealt with by a huge margin. Listen to the video if you don't believe me. That's not people dying from other causes. That difference is nCoV. And it was too soon into the quarantine for starvation to be a driving factor (if that even is one now).

>>11449947
>I never shouted “fake news” when anyone linked me the video source that I asked for.
The instant you got a source you did. "Oh, they just spread fake news". No source on that claim, just unsubstantiated handwaving.

[Anonymous No.11450013]

>I am willing to put money down that the vast majority of Falun Gong's reputation is Chinese funded propaganda. I'm sure they've got their kooks,
Now you’re actually talking like one of them, not that I'm actually calling you one. If even people like the Japanese denounce them they’ve clearly got issues.

>THIS IS THE ENTIRE POINT
They’re going to cremate people regardless of the cause of death. The cause is irrelevant. Are you trying to tell me that they’re only cremating people at crematoriums specifically because of nCoV and that other causes of death can’t occur which leads to people getting cremated? Or that they shouldn’t be cremating anyone who didn’t die from nCoV? These crematoriums weren’t made to deal with nCoV specifically, they have existed for a long time prior to the outbreak starting. They specifically talk about their workload increasing and how they’re understaffed.

I’m still waiting for you to explain to me how a city of over 19 million needing to cremate a lot of corpses is somehow strange. New York city alone is only 8.5 million in comparison and they have tens of thousands of deaths each year. Wuhan alone is over 2x as large in regards to population.
>china has history of cremating almost 50% of their dead every year
http://www.china.org.cn/china/2015-04/04/content_35243460.htm
https://www.urnsforashes.co.uk/cremation-statistics/2008-facts/

[Anonymous No.11450015]

>>11450013
>>11449973
They literally talk about how they're dealing with more bodies per day
The person on the phone specifically states that their workload has gone up and their staffing capabilities have gone down. It takes 50 minutes to cremate a corpse, they have less staff, only 9 cars, (realistically only one body fits per car), and they confirmed that they can’t fix their non-functional burners because of staff from another city not being able to make it over to Wuhan.
>inb4 source
6:27 on wards from the video you posted.

No source on that claim, just unsubstantiated handwaving.
I said they’ve been reported to have done it, and they never denied it either. They’ve gone out of their way to make hundreds of fake facebook accounts to push their own political narratives on social media in the past.
https://www.npr.org/2019/12/22/790553909/snopes-facebook-and-fake-accounts
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mnunez/2019/12/20/facebook-removes-hundreds-of-fake-pro-trump-accounts-using-ai-generated-profile-photos/
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/facebook-says-pro-trump-media-outlet-used-artificial-intelligence-create-n1105951

[Anonymous No.11450022]

>>11450015
>They literally talk about how they're dealing with more bodies per day
So you admit you're full of shit, then. Not really any point in talking to you if you're going to simultaneously admit the point I'm making and then try to say "it's just regular deaths bro".

>links
Did you even read the links you posted? Every single one is very careful to say that BL is only "associated" with Epoch Times. And the one linkt that goes into any detail specifies, BL was owned and run by a former employee of Epoch Times. A former employee of Epoch Times did some bad shit, so Epoch Times is responsible for that now?

Just like I predicted, it's a bunch of bullshit with no actual meat to it. An excuse to drag a name through the mud. And there's almost certainly CCP money involved in the picture as well, possibly even in getting the former employee to set up BL.

[Anonymous No.11450036]

>>11450022
>>They literally talk about how they're dealing with more bodies per day
>So you admit you're full of shit, then.
That was supposed to be a quote.

>Did you even read the links you posted?
You clearly didn't read it properly, if at all. BL is confirmed to have ties to Epoch Times.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/10/11/pro-trump-outlet-linked-epoch-times/
https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/12/13/facebook-bl-cib/https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/11/12/bl-fake-profiles/

But please, keep dodging every single question I ask of you because you obviously can't answer it and if you did you would just look extra stupid.

[Anonymous No.11450047]

>>11450036
I read them. And then I read those two as well. And not a single piece of actual evidence was put forward aside from the fact that both employ Falun Gong followers from the same circle of people.

Where's the smoking gun? Oh wait, there isn't one.

[Anonymous No.11450056]

>>11449973
>They're literally cremating pneumonia deaths without reporting them as nCoV deaths. That's what they say in the interview. That's what they say in the article. That's the ENTIRE POINT of bringing it up.
Exactly this, nobody seems to realize that exactly one week after the "spike" from retroactively reclassifying all confirmed infected deaths (even if only through a lung CT scan rather than the, at the time much more so rare testkits) they went back to the old method of classification, pic related. So, only classifying COVID-19 deaths as such if the people were tested before they died. Source:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105

[Anonymous No.11450062]

>>11445742
Yes, the 3M brand respirator you have pictured will do everything a N95 can plus a whole lot more. Though obviously it must have the filter cartridges and pre-filter pads installed.

[Anonymous No.11450067]

>>11450056
I'm not even sure it's a matter of lying but rather a matter of not telling the entire truth -- if that makes sense. Tests don't grow on trees. Wasting tests on dead people when there are living people who still need tested doesn't improve anyone's outlook. So if someone at home dies, testing them is the opposite of what you need to be doing in terms of triage. And they can't even do a symptom based diagnosis, as those require x-rays, and... they're dead already, there's no benefit to be had, no improvement of anybody's outlook for dragging a corpse to an x-ray and denying some other living individual the opportunity to go in that time slot.

The problem is that it's not being reported at all. It's not a confirmed infection, yes, and diagnosing the dead is the opposite of what needs to happen during an epidemic, but unless there's some other agent involved that's killing people in their homes en masse then most of those deaths are likely COVID-19.

[Anonymous No.11450074]

>>11450056
>>11449973
Having pneumonia does not mean that you have nCoV. nCoV is not Pneumonia.

[Anonymous No.11450079]

>>11450074
Are you claiming there is some other epidemic running around China causing mass amounts of pneumonia that isn't known?

Because if you aren't, then your statement has no point. Yes, throwing all pneumonia cases in China in as COVID-19 will cause a small number of false positives in the data. But not doing so will cause an absolutely enormous amount of false negatives in the data due to the testing shortage.

[Anonymous No.11450081]

>>11450074
How do you think they diagnosed the 1918 cases? They didn't have fancy lab kits for everyone back then. It was based on symptoms and a chest x-ray, even if there's overlap with other diseases. 9/10 viral pneumonias this year are going to be the coronavirus.

[Anonymous No.11450088]

>>11450067
Are you being disingenuous on purpose? The revised method of counting deaths from CT scans offered more accurate numbers.
>>11450074
I'll trust the frontline doctors can see the difference:
> Wuhan CT scans reliable for coronavirus (COVID-19) diagnosis, limited for differentiation
>Chest CTs have low rate of misdiagnosis and can standardize imaging features and transformation rules for rapid diagnosis, yet modality is limited for identification of and distinguishing between specific viruses
>Leesburg, VA, March 5, 2020--An article by radiologists from Wuhan, China--published open-access and ahead-of-print in the American Journal of Roentgenology (AJR)--concluded that chest CT had a low rate of misdiagnosis of COVID-19 (3.9%, 2/51) and could help standardize imaging features and rules of transformation for rapid diagnosis; however, CT remains limited for the identification of specific viruses and distinguishing between viruses.
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-03/arrs-wcs030520.php

[Anonymous No.11450098]

>>11450079
Are you trying to tell me that everyone who has Covid-19 is going to get Pneumonia? Pneumonia is not a symptom of the virus. having the virus just makes it easier to obtain. Influenza does the exact same thing.

>Are you claiming there is some other epidemic running around China causing mass amounts of pneumonia that isn't known?
Yeah, it's called shitty living conditions and pollution. China isn't adverse to pneumonia.
Hell, in 2018 alone 18,000 kids died of pneumonia in China.
https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/one-child-dies-pneumonia-every-39-seconds-agencies-warn

Pneumonia being prevalent in China is not some kind of new phenomenon. They deal with it more than others because of their living conditions.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5874484/

It is entirely possible that someone in China can have pneumonia but not test positive for Covid-19.

[Anonymous No.11450100]

>>11450098
Kids under the age of 5*

Specifically.

[Anonymous No.11450105]

>>11450098
>Reddit spacing
fuck off retard

[Anonymous No.11450108]

>>11450022
>>11450022
>Just like I predicted, it's a bunch of bullshit with no actual meat to it. An excuse to drag a name through the mud. And there's almost certainly CCP money involved in the picture as well, possibly even in getting the former employee to set up BL.
God damn you really are a FG member aren't you?

[Anonymous No.11450109]

>>11450098
You didn't even bother to address the actual point.

Why are you here if your critical reading skills are that bad? You've been shitting up this entire thread by latching onto whatever side point you think you can score on and then prattling on about it. Go fuck off if you have nothing meaningful to add to the conversation.

[Anonymous No.11450113]

>>11450109
he's a retard

[Anonymous No.11450117]

>>11450109
What the fuck are you talking about, retard? Are you confusing me with someone else that you decided to argue with? I'm specifically talking about the quote that I mentioned in >>11450098 and brought up how pneumonia didn't just vanish because of the new meme virus. Chinks have always had to deal with a lot of pneumonia cases even prior to 2020. It is known at Covid-19 is not Pneumonia and that you can have one without having the other.

If you're going to accuse me of shitposting you better not shitpost yourself, because it just makes you look like a hypocrite.

[Anonymous No.11450118]

>>11450117
Again, you still have not even bothered to address the actual point being made in the post you replied to.

You can take your intentionally obfuscating bullshit and fuck right off. You very obviously have no intention of having a conversation in good faith, and you've made that perfectly clear.

[Anonymous No.11450120]

>>11448160
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOedUmBp1XU

[Anonymous No.11450128]

>>11450120
>Experts warn
I don't want a fucking appeal to authority fallacy. go fuck yourself

[Anonymous No.11450134]

>>11450117
You're retarded. The issue with the study linked in >>11450088 is that the markers specific for COVID show up in less than 1/5 patients and otherwise looks indistinguishable to other forms viral pneumonia. What you actually want is a study talking about viral pneumonia rates in china, ideally limited to adults, before the outbreak as a comparison, not pneumonia deaths in a demographic that seems to be relatively unaffected by COVID.

[Anonymous No.11450135]

>>11450120
Why do people babble about toilet paper.. who doesn’t have months of it in their house anyways...
You can easily manage not having toilet paper

[Anonymous No.11450137]

>>11450135
you will keep saying that until you shit your pants. have fun, shit is poisonous on the pants.

[Anonymous No.11450139]

>>11450137
I don’t eat my pants

[Anonymous No.11450143]

>>11450137
>grab rag
>wipe ass with rag
>wash rag
>repeat until ass is clean

[Anonymous No.11450145]

>>11450134
I didn't link that study. Don't call me a retard when you can't even quote the right person.

[Anonymous No.11450146]

>>11447835
https://www.bitchute.com/video/cyRpzcN_S44/

[Anonymous No.11450150]

>>11450145
I'm saying you're a retard because you didn't even think about the article he linked enough to come to that conclusion.

[Anonymous No.11450156]

>>11446142
>10 million people die of cancer a year
I actually did not know that, fucking hell that is gnarly.

[Anonymous No.11450164]

>>11450118
I'm asking you if chinks had to deal with Pneumonia before the outbreak, if it killed people, and if you think all people who have pneumonia must have Covid-19. I never denied Covid-19 making it easier to obtain pneumonia.

[Anonymous No.11450171]

I think you're wasting your time, it seems the official line of several countries (including the US) is now denial. No idea what they're trying to achieve by that, viruses are too dumb to understand propaganda.

[Anonymous No.11450173]

>>11445737
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ9WX4qVxEo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt-VQGNiSWU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHlYBBZL_y8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHGz4QvDVlM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSxaojFNAsU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSLKFwXBdbg

[Anonymous No.11450454]

>>11450173
thanks. now i'm a little less beast and more human

[Anonymous No.11450481]

>>11445737
death and destruction

[Anonymous No.11450525]

>>11450171
governments know they can't contain the virus without causing a total financial and systemic collapse. this is the big reset.

[Anonymous No.11450759]

>>11449369
> wiping my ass
why not your pussy?

[Anonymous No.11450796]

>>11445737
>NEWS
French lawmaker tests positive
https://archive.is/8pJqO

US doctors plead to get tests
http://archive.is/kmBrK

All masks are now confiscated in France
http://archive.is/ZrBG7

Nurses refused testing by CDC
https://twitter.com/NNUBonnie/status/1235663306246860800

8% of the Iranian parliament already infected
http://archive.is/h3CaJ

>RESEARCH
Neuroinvasive potential of SARS-CoV2
https://archive.is/E2CiO

SARS-CoV mechanism for antibody-dependent enhancement
http://doi.org/10.1128/JVI.02015-19

nCoV manifests as lung abnormalities
http://doi.org/10.1016/S1473-3099(20)30086-4

Survives 28 days in bacteria on surfaces at 4°C
http://doi.org/10.1016/j.jhin.2020.01.022

Recovered in Japan sick again: reinfected or dormant
http://archive.is/HjykE

>REMINDER
MRC: 10% or less cases detected in China, 25% outside China
http://archive.is/WUioQ

Netherlands only tests cases with travel history
http://archive.is/cVj8k

nCoV to cost global economy $1.1 trillion
http://archive.is/S4urn

CCP: the flu only kills 144 people a year in China
http://archive.is/K40ru

China province outbreak 52 times worse than admitted
http://archive.is/N3xns

CDC useless

[Anonymous No.11450933]

>>11450796
SCOPS RIVOLT IN CARCER AT MODEN

[Anonymous No.11451213]

>>11450079
>Are you claiming there is some other epidemic running around China causing mass amounts of pneumonia that isn't known?
I'm just stepping into this conversation, but the flu can also lead to pneumonia, and I would expect the Chinese to be even more susceptible to pneumonia due to air pollution and high smoking rates. It made me wonder about the validity of diagnosing COVID-19 through lung scans only. Influenza is also massively underdiagnosed in China, they really don't even look for it. They identify something like 50-100 flu deaths per year, but WHO estimates place it closer to 100k. That's a lot of deaths that could be assigned to any number of causes without testing for the root issue.

Something I'm not aware of is how COVID-19 causes pneumonia. Is it secondary bacterial infection, similar to the flu? Does it display differently in CT scans from other cases of pneumonia?

[Anonymous No.11451272]

>>11451213
Answering my own question, it does seem COVID-19 is more likely to cause viral pneumonia compared to the flu, which is often bacterial in nature, but both can have both viral and bacterial components. There's also some features in the CT scans that are being treated as unique to COVID-19, but I'm still dubious that there isn't some misdiagnosing going on.

https://www.diagnosticimaging.com/ct/covid-19-pneumonia-traits-help-id-and-distinguish-virus

https://www.inquirer.com/health/flu-coronavirus-covid-19-pneumonia-vanderbilt-penn-johns-hopkins-jefferson-20200214.html

[Anonymous No.11451331]

>>11451213
>>11451272
Even better link:

https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/rg.2018170048

So far as I can tell, different families of viruses often have particular image patterns, but it's far from a foolproof diagnostic method. The main benefit seems to be differentiation from viral and bacterial pneumonia, preventing unnecessary antibiotic use.

[Anonymous No.11451365]

>>11449440
So you don’t have an argument? You are brain-dead beyond all repair. See a therapist as well before you hurt someone

[Anonymous No.11451371]

>>11446569
>source (M. Ass., 2020)

[Anonymous No.11451374]

>>11451365
366 dead in Italy today. It's just the flu, though, right? This board is so fucking dumb lmao. You are so dumb.

[Anonymous No.11451406]

>>11446053

[Anonymous No.11451448]

>>11451371
>(Colorized)

[Anonymous No.11451503]

>>11445954
you mean where the infection started to spread in a hospital with already half-dead pensioners on death door.

How about Germany with 0% death rate, or South Korea.

[Anonymous No.11451508]

>>11446012
You guys told me we would be in the millions by now.

[Anonymous No.11451538]

>global temperature rises by 1%
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAA ITS THE END OF THE WOOOOOOORLD NOOOOO THE ICEBERGS!!!!!!
>400 people die in italy in two weeks
>northern italy on lockdown
>10% mortality for people with heart disease
>don't worry its just the flu no schizos please
I hate this board.

[Anonymous No.11451539]

>>11447311
Swineflu killed mostly people in their 30's with no prior health conditions when it started. This thing has killed mostly 80 year olds with cancer and chinks breathing garbage air. Statistical outliers are a thing you know. There are more young people who have died from the seasonal influenze this year than from this thing, zoomer.

[Anonymous No.11451543]

>>11447350
you said that 2 weeks ago already.

[Anonymous No.11451551]

>>11445737

thread theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8ZHyeWDIBk

[Anonymous No.11451552]

>>11451508
If China didn't lock people in their rooms and use a formula to make their death count then yeah. I don't know why idiots on /sci/ idiots need overwhelming evidence to convince them of the obvious. This board wouldn't believe the sky was blue unless multiple peer-reviewed studies proved it. Zero critical reasoning here. This is why /pol/ is such a better board to talk about it.

[Anonymous No.11451576]

>>11451374
Why are you talking shit? There haven't been 366 dead today in italy, that's the TOTAL number of death for the since the START of the outbreak and the average age for them is 81.

[Anonymous No.11451582]

>>11451552
>This is why /pol/ is such a better board to talk about it.
LMAO

So why aren't the death in the millions in Korea and Japan as they're only 2 weeks behind China.

[Anonymous No.11451585]

>>11451538
>10% mortality for people with heart disease
and cancer and who happen to be over the age of 80.

[Anonymous No.11451591]

Should we just go out and get ourselves infected as soon as possible? if you are young and get hospitalized, you are pretty much guarenteed to survive, and then you will have immunity. better to get infected before the health system is overburdoned.

[Anonymous No.11451597]

>>11451591


you'll get immunity

https://nypost.com/2020/03/08/chinese-man-dies-from-coronavirus-five-days-after-getting-all-clear-to-leave-hospital/

[Anonymous No.11451600]

>>11451591
No because it's like airborne AIDS and makes your dick fall off t./pol/

[Anonymous No.11451601]

>>11451591
>>11451408

[Anonymous No.11451602]

>>11451597
>“From the evidence we have, those cases were not reinfected,”

[Anonymous No.11451606]

>>11451601
The new strain is less lethal and is going to become the dominant one as the other is dying out.

[Anonymous No.11451618]

>>11451591
yeah bro

WHO does not include "recovered" in their reports, poorly defined
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports

New: "Recovered" drops dead, surge of reinfections
http://archive.is/MF0fv

28-Feb: Israeli "recovered" case tests positive again
https://archive.is/TV8DS

28-Feb: South Korea "recovered" case reinfected
https://archive.is/Gv1iu

27-Feb: Xuzhou first case reinfected weeks after "recovery"
https://archive.is/CuOtr

27-Feb: "Recovered" in Japan sick again: reinfected or dormant
https://archive.is/HjykE

26-Feb: 14% of "recovered" in Guangdong test positive again
https://archive.is/V6IgT

21-Feb: Patient reinfects himself after "recovery"
https://archive.is/8Ppkx

19-Feb: "There is a likelihood of relapse", expert says
https://archive.is/ABjjf

14-Feb: Reinfection possible and even deadlier
https://archive.is/Iw58p

31-Jan: Patients can get reinfected, no immunity after "recovery"
https://archive.is/W9vNf

Virus hides in neurons, indefinitely escapes recognition
http://archive.is/6NGuH

Virus invades nervous systems
http://archive.is/qmc6U

[Anonymous No.11451619]

>>11451606
It's becoming like another strain of the seasonal flu, just deadly enough to be a nuisance, but not too deadly to cause a public health scare. It's H1N1 all over again.

[Anonymous No.11451622]

>>11451606
>>11451601
They have the same lethality. The 'first" strain has a higher CFR because mild cases were under diagnosed at that time.
Also there are different strains of similar branch length and we see no meaningful difference among any of them.

[Anonymous No.11451626]

>>11451602

so it means your immune system can't clean up the virus, it can stay dormant inside of you and flare up time and time again

[Anonymous No.11451628]

>>11451622
>They have the same lethality.
Source: my ass

>The 'first" strain has a higher CFR
Let me guess you calculate it by the way /pol/ does. It's over 12% already or was it 20%?

[Anonymous No.11451629]

>>11451619
Swine flu is still a constant and deadly thing around India and this is a coronavirus which is an entirely different family of viruses we now have to worry about, it's not just "another flu strain" but rather something more akin to how AIDS completely changed the face of the world.

[Anonymous No.11451635]

>>11451626
No, it means the guy was still sick and not at all better and chinese healthcare is shit. But yes let's go with your conclusion on how it's airborne AIDS instead.

[Anonymous No.11451642]

>>11451629
>this is a coronavirus which is an entirely different family of viruses we now have to worry about

You mean like the several common cold viruses that travel around the world all the time.

>AIDS
LMAO at /pol/cuck zoomers.

[Anonymous No.11451650]

>>11451628
No I don't do that.
I am not your source providing fairy, just look it up. Until now, there are no meaningful sub-branches of coronavirus and it has not become airborne AIDS or any of the stupid shit you read here or on twitter.

[Anonymous No.11451651]

>>11451635
see >>11451618
There's evidence showing it invades your nerve system, it's no mere flu.

[Anonymous No.11451654]

>>11451635

the definition of sick or not sick is whether you have symptom or not, no one can tell whether someone has some microscopic trace of the virus inside of their body.

If the test came back twice negative, then it means the guy's immune system was able to kill off like 99% of the virus. So how do you explain the reinfection?

[Anonymous No.11451656]

WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE

[Anonymous No.11451661]

>>11451650
>I am not your source providing fairy
So your ass was the source. Thanks for confirming it.

[Anonymous No.11451665]

>>11451642
>You mean like the several common cold viruses that travel around the world all the time.
No, it's literally called SARS 2 and it likely originated from bats, it's an entirely different strain we never had contact with and have no immunity for and we barely even understand what it does exactly, trying to claim otherwise is ignorance.

[Anonymous No.11451669]

>>11451654
>If the test came back twice negative, then it means the guy's immune system was able to kill off like 99% of the virus. So how do you explain the reinfection?

Because he wasn't reinfected, you stupid shit. He went in early with a mild cough and was dismissed due to low symptoms. Then as the insectoid he was he went on with his activities of working for the hive while getting worse and ignoring it because chairman mao said he wasn't sick anymore.

[Anonymous No.11451674]

>>11451635

the virus has no cure so i doubt the quality of the healthcare system make a large difference. One possibility i can think of is the guy's home was not decontaminated, so there a large of amount of virus in his home that overwhelmed his immune system

[Anonymous No.11451675]

>>11451665
Serious question: would batman be immune?

[Anonymous No.11451677]

>>11451665
You claimed corona viruses are a new family of viruses we have not dealt with, assmuncher. The common cold among other viruses is caused by coronaviruses

[Anonymous No.11451681]

>>11451661
https://nextstrain.org/ncov?c=location&m=div
If you look at this by actual divergence and not time, it is clear that there are several basal lineages and four bigger strains, not just L and S. I don't give sources on different behaviour of L and S lineages because there is no good evidence.

[Anonymous No.11451682]

>>11451674
>the virus has no cure
Neither does the common cold.

[Anonymous No.11451688]

>>11451681
I was asking for the source for the lethality, not your gay interactive strain mutation map.

[Anonymous No.11451690]

>>11451674
>the virus has no cure so i doubt the quality of the healthcare system make a large difference.
People get medications that ease pneumonia and are supplied with oxygen. This is different depending on location.

[Anonymous No.11451691]

>>11451677
You are a fool. That's not what the other anom said.

[Anonymous No.11451693]

>>11451669
It's likely not reinfections but rather resurgences which is just as bad, it means the virus can overwhelm your immune system and yes a resurgence also implies you can become reinfected since you don't build up proper immunity in a normal time frame.
It's too early to tell just how well the "recovered" were since chinks are extremely unreliable but we do know the disease lasts for a long time and might cause lifelong complications.

[Anonymous No.11451694]

>>11451691
>this is a coronavirus which is an entirely different family of viruses we now have to worry about

Learn to read, fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.11451698]

>>11451693
>It's likely not reinfections but rather resurgences
No evidence for this assumption.

[Anonymous No.11451702]

>>11451688
It is really tiresome looking this up again because it gets buried under newer stuff so fast. What is exactly your point?
I remember just this one non peer reviewed paper about the outcome of these strains and it wasn't well received by the medical community.

[Anonymous No.11451708]

>>11451702
>What is exactly your point?
that it isn't HABBENING like you and all the braindead zoomers think it is.

[Anonymous No.11451722]

So from what I can tell, most people that die are above the age of 60+, or have major health issues/conditions

I mean that's still not good. A lot of old people are going to die. I don't really want my dad or grandma to die any time soon :/

[Anonymous No.11451727]

>>11451677
I was wrong, I meant the SARS-CoV strain which no humans have contact with as far as I know, I think MERS is the closest to it, it has an extremely high mortality rate but it's rare.
The point is that thinking a new strain of virus will always become just another mild flu or go away is extremely stupid since we do have many cases of new deadly viruses that become entrenched worldwide, you normalizing AIDS for example doesn't make it just another flu.

[Anonymous No.11451734]

>>11451675
That's a stupid fucking question. Of course Batman wouldn't be immune, Batman is just Bruce Wayne, a normal human being. Now if we were talking about some infection that came from spiders, then it would be a valid question if Peter Parker was immune since he was bitten by a radioactive spider.

[Anonymous No.11451741]

>>11451698
See >>11451618

[Anonymous No.11451750]

>>11451702
The real mortality is 0.8-1.2%.

[Anonymous No.11451755]

>>11451539
>This thing has killed mostly 80 year olds with cancer
More likely when a young person needs extracorporeal and you have none left, you kick the granny out and save the young man.

[Anonymous No.11451775]

>>11451750
What did you take your "real" rate from? WHO estimates 3.4% which is 34x higher than the seasonal flu and lowballs place it at 2%.

[Anonymous No.11451790]

>>11451775
There are more cases than reported. The total number of infected people we are seeing right now are only those who have been tested.

[Anonymous No.11451801]

>>11451790
How did you estimate the amount of unreported cases to come up with the 0.8-1.2% range?

[Anonymous No.11451807]

>>11451708
This is exactly what I say. No scary mutations. What we saw is a decline in CFR due to better care and more testing in China. Not strains replacing each other. This strain discussion just hides the real message, that immediate and intensive actions helped a lot for prevention and making the disease less severe.

[Anonymous No.11451816]

>>11451790
>The total number of infected people we are seeing right now are only those who have been tested.
Keep in mind it's the same with the flu. In fact, the mortality rate for tested flu cases is actually lower than the .1% estimate the CDC and WHO arrives at through modeling.

[Anonymous No.11451821]

>>11451722
>I mean that's still not good. A lot of old people are going to die. I don't really want my dad or grandma to die any time soon :/
This. And I would be really heartbroken if I spread it into my village, which is in some areas demographically almost like a retirement home. People should think about them too.

[Anonymous No.11451836]

>>11451821
I've seen a lot of zoomers saying it's great because it "will kill all the boomers".
Don't these people have families?

[Anonymous No.11451837]

>>11451722
>I mean that's still not good. A lot of old people are going to die. I don't really want my dad or grandma to die any time soon :/
I'm surprised how nonchalant some people are about this, maybe they're fortunate to not have any very old or ailing relatives. Both of my parents already had pneumonia this winter, and my mom was hospitalized for it. They're right in the middle of the demographic that Covid-19 is killing.

[Anonymous No.11451845]

>>11447456
Up to 9 days on cold stainless steel. More like four days at room temperature on plastic and cardboard. Only an hour or two on silver, copper and aluminum due to catalytic destruction of the viral envelope. These figures come from previous research on other coronaviruses. It's possible this one is different, but the possibility is small.

[Anonymous No.11451860]

>>11451836
Daddy issues and your brain on 4chan overdose

[Anonymous No.11451866]

>>11451836
There are not zoomers, there are /pol/tards

[Anonymous No.11451876]

>>11451836
your parents aren't old enough if you're underage
or
your parents are already dead if you're not a child

[Anonymous No.11452127]

>>11449503
That you're gay.

[Anonymous No.11452254]

if you're so paranoid just kys holly shit

[Anonymous No.11452258]

>>11452254
trips and i'm committing seppuku

[Anonymous No.11452269]

>>11452254
This is fun though. Even if it's a shitty happening, it's a happening.

[Anonymous No.11452323]

>>11450173
>using Extra Credits as a source

[Anonymous No.11452551]

>>11445752
> Outting yourself as a mentally retarded faggot.
Brave

[Anonymous No.11452553]

>>11445765
So what happened with SARS again?
Oh that's right fucking nothing
Big fat nothingburger
Please search the archive for sars to find notes on how to hysterically screech about this memevirus.

[Anonymous No.11452562]

>>11452553
Hey, remember when they shut down the whole of fucking China during SARS? Man, that was crazy.

[Anonymous No.11452563]

>>11452553
>So what happened with SARS again?
It had two orders of magnitude less cases than COVID-19? Why are you even asking this?

[Anonymous No.11452570]

>>11449766
Iran is cold as fuck in winter you absolute brainlet.
The average daily temp in January is 7°C but let me guess you're a burger and can't tell how fucking cold that is nor anything at all about the region.

[Anonymous No.11452594]

>>11452562
China had a shit ton of Quarantines for SARS. The difference is that they didn't have to do as much because it didn't spread as fast. H1N1 spread like wildfire, similar to Covid-19, which China also did extensive Quarantines for. Entire cities, like those of Beijing, were quarantined for two months in 2009 during the Swine Flu pandemic.

Just because you're too young to remember it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-3156.2008.02146.x

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3823329/

[Anonymous No.11452600]

>>11452562
Yes I do. Ten thousand quarantined in Canada. Whole areas of HK locked down. No one really got much news out of China because they were way more isolationist then but it was clear that virtually every entertainment venue, cinemas, gathering places were shut down in both Beijing and Shanghai.
2 years of outbreaks, then nothing.

> Not a single case of the severe acute respiratory syndrome has been reported this year [2005] or in late 2004. It is the first winter without a case since the initial outbreak in late 2002.

>>11452563
Worldwide condemnation of faked stats and cover-ups from China. The WHO and experts agree it's different this time around.
China wouldn't let WHO inspectors in for 2 months with SARS. Even their allies accused them of keeping the truth from the world to save face.
How about you go looking for global testing numbers for SARS and COVID-19 there's a few magnitudes of difference.

[Anonymous No.11452612]

>>11452594
>>11452600
Were the effects of the quarantines as big as they are now? Were they as extensive? Just looking at the reaction of the Chinese goverment, is this significantly worse than SARS?

[Anonymous No.11452639]

>>11452612
>was it big
Yes, moron.
>As compared to now
Unsure, but it had a large impact on the global economy.
>Were the quarantines as extensive
As widespread as now? I don't think so, but they did put tens of millions under quarantine and cordoned off entire cities and villages in China during the outbreak.
https://foreignpolicyblogs.com/2009/04/27/the-economic-impact-of-swine-flu-pandemic/ (scroll to the bottom for specific hyperlinks)

>Just looking at the reaction of the Chinese goverment, is this significantly worse than SARS?
No. We know enough about this virus to obviously see that it is not as big of a problem as SARS. Its proportion of dead is far, far lower. The difference is that it just infects more people faster. What you people need to realize is that just because China freaks out and starts quarantining entire cities does not mean the world is fucking ending. They do this every single time there's a new epidemic or pandemic going around either their country or the globe.

[Anonymous No.11452706]

>>11452594
>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-3156.2008.02146.x
How is that in any way close to what they did this time?

[Anonymous No.11452712]

>>11452706
It isn't, COVID-19 is far far bigger and that anon is stupid and trying to say all quarantines are the same.

[Anonymous No.11452713]

>>11452594
>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-3156.2008.02146.x
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3823329/
How is that in any way close to what they did this time?

[Anonymous No.11452814]

>>11452706
It wasn't. I specifically said that SARS didn't have the same level of quarantine because it didn't spread as fast. H1N1 had a similar level of quarantining, though.

[Anonymous No.11452821]

>>11452712
I think you need to actually read that post again in full this time and look at the second link posted.

[Anonymous No.11452952]

>>11452814
Your link says otherwise.
>>11452821
Yes the second one.

[Anonymous No.11452971]

>>11452952
>Your link says otherwise.
Can you not read? I said SARS had a lot of quarantines but not nearly as much as H1N1 or Covid-19.
> Beijing among others within the provisions of the ‘Treatment and Prevention Law’ instituted collective quarantine for 12000 people by completely sealing off hospitals, construction sites, residential buildings and universities. In some rural areas in China, entire villages were cordoned off, e.g. in Hebei Province
>Quarantine of contacts was applied in all reviewed countries, yet China in its decision to apply quarantine on a wide scale by declaring epidemic zones and placing people under collective quarantine in villages or institutions outdid the other countries. Shanghai for instance placed people from Beijing under quarantine even in the absence of symptoms (Huang 2004).
>Such a large scale quarantine might have been effective for China because of its unique situation as many of the initial SARS cases in Guangdong were food handlers or sold wild animals (Xu et al. 2004) along with the fact that more than 65% of cases in Beijing did not have a contact history during the later phase of the epidemic (Wu et al. 2004) but generally its effectiveness for containing SARS was questioned as only a very small percentage of quarantined individuals developed SARS (Bell and WHO working group on prevention of international and community transmission of SARS 2004; Day et al. 2006).

[Anonymous No.11452988]

>>11452971
Are you completely unaware of the extent of the current lockdowns in China? They compeltely locked down a fucking 10M+city. Forbiden anyone from entering or leaving the city, shut down the metro, banned driving, banned going out exceot for shopping, people leaving houses having their temperature checked, later even banned going out for shopping altogether and order people to order food. Streets and places getting sprayed with disinfection. (something nasty enough to kill animals) Similar measures temporarily in other cities (Wuhan is still locked down).
How is that in any way close to 12000 people in quarantine?

[Anonymous No.11453072]

>>11452988
Yes, mother fucker, I said that despite having a lot of quarantines, the SARS quarantines do not compare to the current ones. I stated this multiple times. Is English not your first language?
>How is that in any way close to 12000 people in quarantine?
Well for starters, the 12,000 figure is only for some people who got quarantined in Beijing, specifically. Not the entirety of China. You clearly can't read properly.
>Beijing among others within the provisions of the ‘Treatment and Prevention Law’ instituted collective quarantine for 12,000 people by completely sealing off hospitals, construction sites, residential buildings and universities.
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.11453084]

>>11453072
>among others within the provisions of the Treatment and Prevention Law
>collective quarantine for 12,000 people
Anon, that sounds like the total quarantine was 12,000 people between Beijing and the other locations.

[Anonymous No.11453113]

>>11453084
Collective quarantine within Beijing, you illiterate piece of shit. Seriously, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.11453133]

>>11453113
>Beijing among others within
"Others" is clearly besides Beijing, otherwise that makes no sense. Are you that illiterate, or are you really just that desperate to cling to your wrong statements that you're willing to look illiterate? By the way, I'm not the original person you were arguing with, but you're clearly wrong.

[Anonymous No.11453235]

>>11446012
1300 people die because of tobacco everyday.

[Anonymous No.11453241]

>>11446152
You're 100% unreasonable there.
Not gonna say the person you replied to is some saint, with a flawless reply but come on, your reply is cringe tier.

[Anonymous No.11453358]

>>11453235
A person smoking isn't going to give me lung disease just by shopping next to me.

[Anonymous No.11453412]

>>11453358
> Secondhand smoke causes approximately 7,330 deaths from lung cancer and 33,950 deaths from heart disease each year

Still more per month than the memevirus you are so scared about you pathetic little mouse.
How about you go make these claims using your real name so it can be forever remembered by the internet? Go on, are you really that confident about your statements or are you a massive pussy terrified by the big bad world that's about to kill you at any moment now?
Go on. Do it.
Protip: You wont, you'll hide behind anonymity and hope the world forgets your bulsshit hysteria like the non-thinking sheep you are.

[Anonymous No.11453427]

>>11453412
Just to clarify, that's the US alone you dumb fucking scared little rat.
Worldwide:
379 000 deaths from ischaemic heart disease
165 000 deaths from lower respiratory infections
36 900 deaths from asthma
21 400 deaths from lung cancer.
Fuck you dumb cunts who can't quantify risk in any meaningful manner. The world would be a much better place without you pussies.
https://www.who.int/quantifying_ehimpacts/publications/shsarticle2010/en/