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11431951 No.11431951 [Reply] [Original]

It's hilarious to see the USA panicking because China has grabbed them by the balls. The reality is that China has overtaken/soon will overtake the USA in everything. Already, China BTFO's the USA in AI, Engineering and Biology research. The USA has lost its crown to China. Best start learning Manderin, /sci, unless you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend that you're the king.

>> No.11431968

>>11431951
>4x the population, barely more research and its plagued by shitty quality, fraud, and plagiarism
Yeah no one cares.

>> No.11431979

>>11431968
cope

>> No.11432016
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>>11431951
>The reality is that China has overtaken/soon will overtake the USA in everything.


I keep hearing that since the early 1990s.

This article is from 1997

https://newleftreview.org/issues/I222/articles/richard-smith-creative-destruction-capitalist-development-and-china-s-environment

>> No.11432037

>>11431979
If I see a paper with a chink name I throw it in the trash

>> No.11432058

>>11432037
Whatever you say, fatty

>> No.11432066

>>11431951
Now look at the statistics for top 10 journals in each field. ITALY dominates all of them

>> No.11432067

>>11431968
Well, you kind of should.
The fact that China has 4x the population is irrelevant .

>> No.11432457

>>11431951

Italy? Not bad. I didn't expect to see them outperform countries like France.

Anyone know why this is? I'm unfamiliar with European/Italian education systems. Is Italy known for upper level academia?

>> No.11432468

>>11432457
>Is Italy known for upper level academia
I don't think so, a shit ton a pajeets go to school there for some reason though

>> No.11432469

>more than 3x the population
>not even 2x the research output
yawn, what a sad attempt to make china look good. US will always dominate, lel

>> No.11432473

>>11431979
>>11432067
So India is superior to Germany and Japan? Kek

>> No.11432483

>>11431951
Wow, number of papers published! This really means a lot! Wow!!

>> No.11432487

>>11432473
think about the population difference. Per capita a few euro countries are the best.

>> No.11432492

>>11432066
Never seen a single paper by an italian group tbqbhwyfamalam. Seen more portuguese and spanish papers and those are rare as fuck. I also wonder how israel is not on the list since they publish a ton and typically good quality papers too, unlike china and usa. France as well, though they're rare outside of math.

>> No.11432527

>>11432473
Does India have publish more scientific papers than them?

>> No.11432617

>>11431951
SIX DIGITS BIG NUMBERS WOWIE WOW OH BOI!!

>> No.11432634

Doesn't matter they are gonna get crushed by coronavirus like the small dirty bugmans they are

>> No.11432696

>>11431951
every chinaman I've met in university has been full retard. They just speak jibberish and copy each other

>> No.11432701

>>11432696
Yes, that's how they all are. Similarly, they publish a fuckload, but nothing they ever publish is even so much as worth a read. Even their review papers are only so-so.

>> No.11433027

>>11432457

all of the great french scientists and mathematicians were italian, swiss, or german, and since swiss are just german italians you might as well just say all great french scientists are either italian or german

>> No.11433399

>>11433027
How come Italy is such a shithole if Italians are so smart?

>> No.11433401

>>11431951

In china you can have 35 authors to one paper and they will accept papers that are nearly identical to each other.

>> No.11433409

Now normalize by number of citations per paper and per capita

>Hurrr, China numba wan
Kys gook

>> No.11433647

>>11432457
Italy has a lot of very good uni and reaserach group.

>> No.11433650

>>11432066
Link?

>> No.11433657
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academic papers are as useful as toilet paper

>> No.11433670

>>11431951
Pls adjust your dataset to recent corona-deaths

>> No.11433681

>>11433657
that's useful af tbf.

>> No.11433689

>>11431951
Why would I learn Mandarin when the Chinese all speak English?

>> No.11434550

>>11431968
>shitty quality, fraud, and plagiarism
This
>acupuncture is beneficial
is only published by Chinese scientists

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>>11431951
Guess which of those countries would feed the stove with its own people?

>> No.11434838

>>11433647
Which Univerisities in Italy are good?

>> No.11434881

>>11434838
None, they all suck with virtually no research output ever.

>> No.11434933

>>11434838
For example "Scuola Normale Superiore" or "La Sapienza"

>> No.11434979

>>11431951
China finally mastered the process of making ball point pens in 2017, mountains of fake and/or useless publications don't worry me.

>> No.11435014

>>11432469
it is close to 5x the population kek

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>>11431951
>not taking into account that China is #1 in intellectual theft, academic fraud, and counterfeiting.
while these motherfuckers may eventually produce some original output, right now chan ho is too busy plagiarizing a plagiarized copy of an unoriginal journal document that was a fabrication.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/world/asia/china-science-fraud-scandals.html

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>>11431951
again, not at all

>> No.11435851

>>11431951
you want academic paper? it cost 5 dolla!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-09-13/the-fake-science-trade-inside-chinas-research-black-market/10238730
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6327091/

>> No.11435856

>>11431951
>when even the Chinese government pays fraudulent researchers to produce better frauds
https://forbetterscience.com/2019/06/13/li-jia-the-research-fraud-olympian/
tell me again why your unadjusted excel-based "statista" should have me worried?

>> No.11437532

I have read about a "British scientist" that wrote a paper on "Proof that angels from medieval church icons cannot fly because their wings are too small". This guy did the paper with government money.
Long story short, if you are naive and stupid enough you can shit out a new "publication" every week.

>> No.11437545

>>11434838
polimi, polito

>> No.11437551

>>11431951
More than half of those papers are straight up plagiarized and/or with faked data.

>> No.11437624

>>11434933
>>11437545
My fucking sides!

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11437636

>>11437624
(You)

>> No.11437657

>>11437545
more like polio

>> No.11437676

>>11437636
OK ahmed.

>> No.11437824

>>11432457
>Anyone know why this is?
Italy has some of the oldest universities still in operation (Bologna, Padova, Napoli to name a few), and depending on the courses they can be brutal. The teaching methodology and testing is quite antiquated (very theoretical approach, shitload of lessons upfront, absolutely punishing professors) and I'm sure it contributes, and depending on the university and on the course the success rate of an exam is usually lower than 50%, but it can be waaay lower than that, and the average grade can be quite low actually. This is helped by the fact that here in Italy you can repeat the exam as many times you want (or you're forced to), which means that unless you REALLY know your stuff you'll get stopped in your tracks, so those who succeed, even with mediocre grades, can be considered really prepared, more than sheer stats might suggest.
I also have a theory. In Italy the whole education system is way underfunded, especially the academic research, and this in my opinion has two consequences: first, the lack of resources creates an incredibly competitive environment, but secondly and more importantly, this lack of resources forces people to use their ingenuity to overcome problems instead of just shoving money at them. Also, Italy is a heavily bureaucratic and nepotistic nation, and circumventing those problems is a skill in an of itself. To give you an example: I have a bachelor in AE at the University of Padua, and the university gave me and my colleagues 15k€ to make an airplane. The project has been run in its most important phase by a professor who refused to set his ego and authority aside, with catastrophic consequences. We are not allowed (officially) to use any power tool in the laboratory or do anything remotely dangerous. Now, the professor has finally fucked off, but the University is asking for results and we have to deliver the plane by the end of this year or we get shut down. Believe me: in these situations you get smart.

>> No.11437867

>>11437824
This would explain why italy has not produced a single scientific or engineering result since the 2nd world war for sure. No wonder it's even worse off than china in terms of real scientific output! Sad.

>> No.11437886

>>11437532
That sounds based as fuck

>> No.11438100

>>11432058
cope

>> No.11438482

>>11432492
as usual, rabbi's anecdotal evidence is so priceless it's worthless

>> No.11438750

>>11431951
>this is what commies actually believe

kek