/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11428360]

when did you realize materialism was false?

[Anonymous No.11428428]

when did you realize you were gay? did your mother cry when you told her?

[Anonymous No.11428433]

>>11428428

[Anonymous No.11428439]

>>11428360
So bash your brains in, since it's only worthless material.

[Anonymous No.11428498]

>>11428360
Something that does not possess the properties of physical material can not act upon that which does. The notion of the mind is inexorably absurd gibberish, the brain is a machine just like every other structure in nature. With enough know how it can be duplicated and manipulated to exact specifications. Ideas have geometry, and so the same goes for them.

[Anonymous No.11428533]

>>11428498
is democracy a physical material

non-physical things are real

[Anonymous No.11428542]

>>11428360
What are these powers and what causes them?

[Anonymous No.11428549]

>>11428533
No I said ideas have geometry. The geometry of sound waves produced with the voice, the geometry of written words and reflected light waves. The geometry encoded in each and every neuron to form your totality is completely physical and undeniably material. Form denotes function.

[Anonymous No.11428575]

>>11428549
The apparent properties of physical material are not physical thing themselves

"approximately in the share of a sphere"
"looks blue"
"100 microns wide"

are not physical things
they are linguistic descriptions

you can't hold a circle, you can't hold a length, and you can't hold the color blue

[Anonymous No.11428586]

>>11428575
you can hold this L

[Anonymous No.11428594]

[Anonymous No.11428607]

>>11428594
russell wasn't a panpsychist. he was a neutral monist. postulating microsubjects to explain our macro-level subjectivity is a brainlet move

[Anonymous No.11428609]

>>11428360
Can any idealists refute pic related?

[Anonymous No.11428636]

>>11428609
I think it might all really be a misunderstanding in the meaning of the original uses of the concept of mind. The notion that the universe is mental is not so different from the notion that the universe is a machine. Perhaps the attribution of priority was given to the mind, instead of the universe, by some vain brainlet eons ago.

[Anonymous No.11428647]

>>11428428
Neurons only fire in response to stimuly, never on their own if they're isolated. I'm sorry, anon, but the switch cannot flip itself.

[Anonymous No.11428665]

>>11428360
Mental properties are just physical properties of the brain. Retard. The "mind" the the set of these properties. Retard

[Anonymous No.11428680]

>>11428533
>non-physical things are real
not this retard again
Fuck off pseud and see>>11428665
PS you are confusing language with reality. Democracy is a vast pattern of material actions. Blue circles with a certain radius length are material objects.

[Anonymous No.11428690]

>>11428609
You observing the Cube in Step 1 causes it to exist.

Placing the cup on the cube in Step 2 removes it from the existence. The cube no longer exists.

You removing the cup in Step 3 and observing the cube causes it to spontaneously exist once again.


I repeat. It is your observation that causes the cube to exist. It does not exist in step 2.

[Anonymous No.11428704]

>>11428690
ok schizo

[Anonymous No.11428709]

>>11428704
Don't mind me, just sharing you the exact way ALL modern successful physicists think about it.

Or, you know, you can go back to your caveman beliefs about "observer independent reality and spooky action at a distance" -universe.

[Anonymous No.11428837]

>>11428709
You're wrong and retarded. Proof: go in a completely dark cave. Your body cannot be observed. Yet it is still there. Better, go with another person. There will be a time when you both cannot observe eachother. But yet if you call out to eachother you will still be there

[Anonymous No.11428917]

>>11428609

[Anonymous No.11428920]

>>11428709
>appeal to authority
>lying
>misquotes the description of an effect that is well understood
are you even trying?

[Anonymous No.11428932]

>>11428533
>is democracy a physical material

Democracy is a behavior the material can perform. Thus, it is material.

[Anonymous No.11428937]

>>11428647
>never on their own if they're isolated

Really? That’s weird, but I suppose they don’t have anything to “do” per se so what would they be firing about? Nothing.

[Anonymous No.11428940]

>>11428920
A modern pessimist. No point in arguing with you now that you have shown your nature. Remain ignorant and never publish. :)

[Anonymous No.11428941]

>>11428709
>Modern physicists think things stop existing when hidden from view

No.

[Anonymous No.11429045]

>>11428941
But they do actually. Trust science, not emotions, senses, instincts, and tradition.

Also use the word 'observe'. Why did you say 'view' brainlet? Observe refers to any interaction between observer and object (electromagnetic, weak, strong, or gravity)

If you dont observe an object it doesnt exist.

[Anonymous No.11429051]

>>11428647
>what is dreaming

[Anonymous No.11429060]

>>11428360
>Mind is meaningfully separate from the body.
>Digestion is meaningfully different from the digestive system.
>OP picks both because he's retarded.

[Anonymous No.11429072]

>>11428594
Panpychism is just another materialist cope. Idealism is the one true path to enlightenment.

[Anonymous No.11429081]

>>11429045
>another pseud that learned about the “observer effect” at Ramtha’s School of Enlightenment.

[Anonymous No.11429085]

>>11429072
Enlightenment is not obtained by the pursuit of it. It is a transformation that is not in your control. It is either a fact of your existence or it isn't.

[Anonymous No.11429093]

>>11428594
Who’s top left on the right side?

[Anonymous No.11429118]

>>11428917
>implying there is a god to observe reality

[Anonymous No.11429123]

>>11428917
I never understood this mindset. Is it really just that people refuse to believe something exists if it can’t be observed, even if there’s prior knowledge?

Like don’t get me wrong, if we’re talking about ghosts and shit then I get it, but examples like that just make me scratch my head

[Anonymous No.11429130]

Hedda Hassel Mørch

[Anonymous No.11429148]

>>11429118
>not knowing the difference between a god and God
>>11429123
It's because of empiricism and a reduction of objects to experience. If objects are nothing more than what is experienced then an object that is not being experienced is incoherent. The good thing about theism is everything is being experienced at all times so the tree is still there when you're not looking.

[Anonymous No.11429149]

>>11428360
What. Is. Consiousness? That's all it takes. That's the plot hole in the materialist world. The fact that there is an *I*, is something which makes absolutely no sense in a materialist world. According to them, my brain is nothing but a ball of fat floating in goop with a bunch of neurons in it. But me having consiousness is a phenomenon that transcends the materialist world, otherwise I would simply be a machine. The fact that I'm in the state of being alive freaks me the fuck out on a daily basis because it technically shouldn't be possible, and the fact that it is only shows there's a whole lot yet to uncover about this universe and what lies beyond it. Also, how did life even begin? The first bacteria did just pop out of nowhere, did they? So, what is it that made life to begin with?

[Anonymous No.11429151]

>>11429123
I think object permanence just never fully set in for some people

[Anonymous No.11429176]

>>11429149
I think it might help you to accept that you are wrongly assuming that consciousness is incompatible with super determinism but also with no justification for your reasoning there.

[Anonymous No.11429186]

Essence precedes instantiation

[Anonymous No.11429194]

>>11429176
super determinism is brainlet shit cope for people who refuse to get out of the false enlightenment classical view of the universe.

[Anonymous No.11429222]

>all the anti-quantum zealotry ITT
pathetic.

[Anonymous No.11429302]

>>11429194
We meet again, Mr. Anderson.

[Anonymous No.11429319]

>>11428609
Literally scientific observations from Quantum Mechanics BTFO materialists.

[Anonymous No.11429324]

>>11429319
said every pseud ever

[Anonymous No.11429332]

>>11429324
No, like literally every physicist since Einstein. Classical mechanics description of a particle/object having any sort of properties is modern day delusion.

[Anonymous No.11429339]

>>11429332
every physicist according to your misreadings

[Anonymous No.11429344]

>>11429339
Every physicist since Einstein. He was the last big hold out on materialist universe. Literally his objection was about whether or not the moon exists when you look away.

[Anonymous No.11429365]

>>11428609
What kind of irreducible particles is the cup made of, Heisenberg?

[Anonymous No.11429426]

>>11429060
>Mind is meaningfully separate from the body.
you don't even know what idealism is, do you...?

[Anonymous No.11429550]

>>11428360
Thank God OP ceased to exist the second (s)he clicked on the Post button.

[Anonymous No.11429671]

>>11428680
>>11428932
the behavior of material is not part of the material itself. otherwise, every object would consist of every action it could possibly perform. doesn't make any sense

>>11428680
You're missing the point. There's thing that are not part of reality that do obviously have exist, and have apparent emergences and practical applications in reality

PS there are no blue objects. There are only blue neurological patterns which we link to our perception of the object in our brain