/sci/ - Science & Math

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What causes depression?]

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>>11400608
Living in a society

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>>11400608
idk, but i hope these gifs help relieve some of the emptiness for anon

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQE7gu4D1R4

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goin to 150, somebody stop me

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>>11400608
Circumstance, as in it's 100% environmental

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>What causes depression?
being a worthless faggot is one cause

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>>11400643
I.e in a society

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For me it's lack of agency, I hate neo-liberalism but the vast majority of people of people living under it don't even know it's name let alone the valid criticisms of it.
I feel powerless to influence my nations economic policy and consider terrorism as the only way a single man living in poverty can. The thing stopping me is collateral damage, something our leaders couldn't care less about.

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>>11400648
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Actually kinda deep when you think about it like that. Uncanny really.

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>>11400649
>political defeatism causes depression

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrbxWOMpwfs

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>>11400649
Your preoccupation with politics is more likely a symptom of depression than a cause.

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The human condition.

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>>11400792
The gif that keeps on giving.

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>>11400608
At least one study observed a very strong causative relationship between light levels while sleeping and depressive symptoms.

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>>11400795
Why do you have so many comfy gifs

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>>11400800
easy source of serotonin

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>>11400649
>It's societies that's to blame for my problems, not my terrible life choices!

Even if it were true, you can't do shit to change society to better suit your needs. Focus on the things you can change, disregard things that are outside your control.

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>>11400807
>Even if it were true, you can't do shit to change society to better suit your needs.

Beta logic. You can change the world around you if you really want to. Changing the world around us is what makes humankind humankind.

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an even better source of serotonin is sharing them with anon though

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>>11400809
>Beta logic. You can change the world around you if you really want to. Changing the world around us is what makes humankind humankind.

You may, on a few occasions in your life, be in a situation where you have the ability to make some lasting difference in your society and you should absolutely look out for opportunities to do so. But that situation isn't the norm for the overwhelming majority of people.

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THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH for the gifs. This thread is the comfiest I've been in for years.

Who cares what causes depression? Let's end it <3

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>>11400608
mostly being poor but also ugly

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>>11400608
>depression
>>>/x/

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>>11400608
Clinically depressed anon here. I believe it's due to different factors: first and foremost since this disease is associated with abnormal levels of neurotransmitters (I've been explained meds are aimed at reestablishing the right levels) I think there's a big genetic component which can be seen as a risk factor. Then your personality, which is part of your upbringing, has a role too: being a sensible person for instance increases your risk factor. Then something must happen, either an external or internal circumstance (like the death of a loved one, or failing at an important task), which cause obsessive thoughts that end up getting out of control and spiral down taking you with them through chronic states of anxiety and/or sadness and depression. The key word here is "chronic": everyone feels bad, and that's normal, but being constantly haunted by the darkness of your mind isn't a healthy condition. After all mental illnesses are those internal states that make you stop functioning correctly and make life miserable. As a friend psychiatrist once said:
>hearing God's voice isn't a mental illness per se: it depends on what God says.

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>>11400608
Being separated from your mother, trapped in a cold metal cage, strapped into a harness and raped repeatedly

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Inflammation

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>>11400875
we gotta bring back Egypt yo

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>>11400924
MAKE EGYPT GREAT AGAIN

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>>11400608
I don't know about in general but for me it was alienation and unresolved trauma. Only by fighting back and obtaining a perceived sense of justice is it getting better.

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>>11400873
>abnormal levels of neurotransmitters
This hypothesis has been all but rejected by most researchers. The public and clinical psyciatrists haven't gotten the memo yet.

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>>11401107
drug takers need to justify somehow taking drugs over actually dealing with the issues that cause their despression

and psychiatrists need to justify playing god over which patient they want to modify in what way when feeding them chemicals that make their central nervous system behave abnormally

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>>11400613
This.

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Imbalance in the brain, trauma. I started taking supplements with vitamins and minerals such magnesium and phosphorus and it greatly improved parts of my being. You should definitely try.

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>>11400608
Pressure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG1G5abvMsU

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>>11400608
For me lover rejection.Nothing else caused depression.

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>>11400608
Why does he sit like that?

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>>11402242
"Sometimes, when a person has suffered extreme physical or psychological trauma (including massive stress), they will assume the fetal position or a similar position in which the back is curved forward, the legs are brought up as tightly against the abdomen as possible, the head is bowed as close to the abdomen as possible, and the arms are wrapped around the head to prevent further trauma. This position provides better protection to the brain and vital organs than simply lying spread out on the ground, so it is clear as to why it is an instinctual reaction to extreme stress or trauma when the brain is no longer able to cope with the surrounding environment, and in essence "shuts down" temporarily."

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>>11402280
From what?

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>>11401082
comfy
thanks friend

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>>11401150

So since neurotransmitters aren't involved in depression, then why do dopamine antagonists cause psycho-motor retardation, the main symptom of depression? Likewise, if neurotransmitters aren't involved in depression, then why do serotonin agonists have a tendency to increase a person's appetite?

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>>11402515
God speed sir.

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>>11402981
neurotransmitter have a role in how the brain functions. if you take drugs or overdose artificially manufactured supplements that cause an imbalance in neurotransmitters you can have very real effect on your brain, it's a shortcoming of the architecture. mass producing drugs wasn't a problem for billions of years so the brain didn't need to evolve in a way that makes its processes uninterferrable this way.
if we had silicon based electronics in place of our neurons, weak and soulless people would use electromagnetic force fields and similar shit as drugs to distrupt its natural process when they're hurt, rather than dwelving into their thoughts and figure out what is going wrong.

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>>11402996
when you are hurt you are not meant to mess with the architecture of your brain. somebody could literally be forcing you to wear shoes that deform your legs on the long run. it would hurt like hell to wear them, but if you took the right drugs and modified your brain chemistry well, you'd feel nothing wrong. would it be good to solve this problem by modifying your external circumstances so the actual cause of your issue is gone, or by modifying your brain architecture so the symptom caused by the issue is gone?

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>>11403006
not to say depression always has an external cause, it's usually is internal that's why it's harder to realize what exactly it is and how we can solve it rather than just running away from the brain.
most times depression cries for self inspection and to spend time thinking about issues you missed out thinking about on.

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>>11400617
Based anon

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It is 100% environmental 98% of the time

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>>11403006
not to say depression always has an external cause, it's usually is internal that's why it's harder to realize what exactly it is and how we can solve it rather than just running away from the pain.
most times depression cries for self inspection and to spend time thinking about issues you missed out thinking about.

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>>11400608

1. Not having enough vitamins & minerals
2. Being intoxicated with stuff like fluoride (take sodium citrate after your last meal to detox it)
3. Fucked circadian rhythm (eat 1-2 a day in 6-8 hour period)
4. Quit the internet for a while, stop consuming social media
5. Do Yoga exercises which involve your eyes in some way, they stimulate the vagus nerve and can get you a temporal relieve from depression since it is mostly physiological
6. Gym, or go outside, go for a 6 hour walk
7. Get social
8. Have some fucking habits your repeat everyday no matter what
9. Check out if you have cPTSD. If yes you should do EMDR with a therapist

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has anyone here tried psilocybin? I feel like I'm starting to run out of options, and I'm terrified of SSRIs. I've been thinking of trying a bit of microdosing.

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Can the mods just ban bumpcunt already

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>>11403093
it made me realize how i cant be happy for i have been chosen to be a leader and father figure for this fucked up world
in other words, it made me realize im a tremendous faggot and should shut the fuck up LOL

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>>11403093
Microdosing is great. If you’ve ever exhibited psychotic symptoms I’d stay away from it, but I’m bipolar with psychotic symptoms and see relief and improvement with microdosing. The delusions aren’t gone, but I feel better about myself and my work life has gotten much better

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>>11403096
SRSLY, I DONT KNOW WHY THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY WHAT THE FUCK

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>>11403101
no psychotic symptoms, not even family history. I think I'll try it at least, I've hit a roadblock where I don't think I can force myself to improve anymore

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>>11403111
Give it a shot. I prefer microdosing with LSD because the potency is more standardized than a natural product. I’d never take psychedelics any other way now.

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>>11400608
atheism

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>>11400608

depression can either be physical or psychological.

Physical depression meaning your brain is fucked up.

Psychological meaning you have mental barriers that keep you from being happy.

The latter is easier to fix.

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>>11403253
yeah it's super easy. if you're still hurt after 3 days that means there's undobutedly a physical issue with your brain and you should feel free to blast it with drugs rather than trying to figure anything out or change your personality in a way you couldn't possibly without taking pain you couldn't have imagined before.

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>>11403258
drugs should be the last resort. That's essentially the problem with depression diagnosis in America. Everyone is too quick to pop xanax like candy which in itself will fuck your brain even more.

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>>11403093
Stop thinking about what you need to add to your life to solve your problems, and start thinking about what you need to subtract.

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Remember lobotomies were a thing?

Didn't that have a 100% success rate?

I really wish they didn't make it illegal. Because truthfully, there are people that can actually still use it.

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actually this. this last semester i diddnt attend classes and cured my depresion i feel a lot better now. The problem is we worry too much about the opinion of others aboout ourselves and what "we should do" according to them. I love to talk with people when i NEET but when i have a lot of FORCED contact with them (i.e. classmates/jobmates/family) i just become very akward and disgusted by them.

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>>11400608
being a weak little faggot that doesnt want to grow up

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>>11404091
>t. 110 iq tops

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1)The enviroment.If you are constantly in high doses of cortisol.Also if they steal every drop of dopamine,serotonin,oxytocin from your blood good luck.How they steal it?Make you believe in logos and brands (apple,ferrari,gucci,etc) and false believes.
2)Nutricion if you dont take the right ammount of vitamins and omega's.
3)Genetics

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>>11400708
I agree

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>>11404091
This is part of it tho

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>>11400804
Wrong faggot, serotonin is a dangerous stress hormone, not a happy hormone. Serotonin makes you into a zombie, animal or psycho. All autopsied serial killers: elevated serotonin. Mass shooters: highly overrepresented in serotonergic drug use.

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>>11404501
dang, that's interesting stuff. which 1 am i goin for then? endorphins? or i guess the alpha omega cookie cutter dopamine?

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>>11404501 All the neurotransmitters of happiness are dangerous if you are an addict , not only serotonin but dopamine and oxytocin too.BALANCE IS KEY.But the common cause in depression and sociopath are elevated numbers of dopamine and low serotonin.

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>>11404509
aaawww hell ya thanks for the perspective /b/ro

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>>11400608
Shitty diets, poor gut flora, etc.
Investigate neurogastronomy.

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>>11400608
A lack of either Serotonin (most common) from a sense of achievement, Oxytocin from a lack of -successful- human interaction, Dopamine from having fun/sex or a combo of all of them.

Genetics and lacking a parent are also huge factors. Genetic and Schizophrenic depression are far harder to treat and usually go to radical treatments like ECT.

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>>11403249
So are you saying we should pretend that there's some magical sky wizard to make ourselves feel better?

How can a person make themselves believe in something that they know is bullshit?

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You're both completely wrong because the evidence for "physical" depression is THIN.

According to a study listed on Wikipedia, only 37% of your risk of major depression is thought to be genetic (based on twin studies) - the other 63% is thought to be mostly your environment.

But the thing is, we have no idea what those genes might be. Scientists have only just, in the last couple of years, started to identify genes that are associated with a higher RISK of major depression. But those genes could be anything. Maybe they're genes that make you ugly, and then the ugliness is what results in you having a bad life, which makes you depressed. That might be a crass example, but it demonstrates that we have no idea what these genes are, or HOW they might increase a person's RISK of depression.

And the reason I'm capitalising the word "RISK" there is because that's all it is; a risk. Having certain genes does not mean that you WILL become depressed. It's not fatalistic. It's just that some genes increase your LIKELIHOOD of getting depressed.

Let's look at another mental condition, schizophrenia. Genes are thought to play a much bigger role in schizophrenia than in depression - 80% of your risk of schizophrenia is thought to be genetic. So that's over double the rate for major depression. But even with schizophrenia, having genes associated with schizophrenia does not mean that you WILL develop schizophrenia:
>A genetic predisposition on its own, without interacting environmental factors will not give rise to the development of schizophrenia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia#Genetic

So what the hell are you talking about when you say physical depression? The evidence indicates that depression is essentially ALWAYS brought about by environmental factors. And the genes that might increase your tendency to get depressed - we don't even know what those genes are, nor what physical processes they affect.

So what the fuck are you on about?

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>>11405090
>So are you saying we should pretend that there's some magical sky wizard to make ourselves feel better?
no you stupid fuck you just need to realize you're a stupid fucking animal that doesn't know shit and doesn't even have the capacity to know shit and that there is shit at play far beyond your capability of understanding in your short pathetic lifespan

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>>11405135
You're not being so hilariously fucking stupid as to imply that someone should believe in a god because they "[don't] even have the capacity to know shit", are you?

If they can't know shit then how can they know that there's a sky wizard?

Holy fucking Christ... how the FUCK are christcucks THIS fucking stupid?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU THICK PATHETIC FAGGOT

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>>11405203
>christcucks
you see, you're the one that's hung up on religion. not me.

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>>11405210
You're the one who is so fucking stupid that you think "you can't know things" entails "THEREFORE YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S A SKY WIZARD". Because you're clinically fucking retarded.

I never said that we know everything. But the fact that we don't know everything does not entail "THEREFORE SOME MAGICAL FUCKING SKY WIZARD MUST EXIST".

You're like a fucking three year old.

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>You're like a fucking three year old.
jesus fucking christ dude you're the one throwing a tantrum over nothing you're parents must've really fucked you up

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>>11405300
Oh look the christcuck turns to ad hominem when he's defeated.

Happens every single time on 4chan without fail. Whether it's /sci/ or /his/, whenever a christcuck is backed into a corner and can't think how to argue his way out, he resorts to ad hominem.

Glad I crushed you into dust like the pathetic vermin you are.

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>>11405322
cry baby bitch

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>>11405333
Baby bitch gets defeated and cries hahahahaha. Glad I fucked you in the ass you fucking bitch.

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>>11405352
whiny little faggot

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>>11405353
HAHAHA WHINING LITTLE BITCH PROJECTS HIS FAGGOTRY

HAHAHAHA FAGGOT GLAD I FUCKING DESTROYED YOU

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>>11405370
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>>11405381
You're a pathetic whining faggot bitch and I crushed you into dust.

You can't counter my arguments because you're a pathetic moron cuckold bitch.

Enjoy being everybody's little bitch.

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>>11405392
did daddy rape you when you were a little boy?

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>>11405392
or mommy probably ignored you because of all of your incessant whining

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>>11405392
sorry buddy. i'm one of the most putrid people walking this earth. best of luck to you. be well.

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>>11405120
Twin studies for genetic causes of chronic diseases are pointless since it is known that the physiological state of the mother can regulate the epigenetics of their offspring to alter their development, which should include propensity for chronic diseases. Stress begets stress.

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>>11405508
So that would just further confirm that science has not really found evidence for "physical depression" yet, if we're taking that to mean depression that happens purely as a result of physical phenomena of the brain, completely independent of one's experiences.

People say "oh you can see depression on a brain scan", but you can see pretty much EVERY emotion on a brain scan. They're still emotions that we're having in response to environmental stimuli.

This myth that people perpetuate, that depression can just randomly happen as a result of your brain screwing up, is just nonsense. There's no evidence for it. If someone is depressed, they're depressed about something in their life. It's an emotional reaction. And to deny this is to deny the person of the full knowledge of their life. It's unfair to them. It might prevent them from really finding out what they don't like about their life, and only through that will they discover what sort of a life they really want.

I can fully accept that genes (and other physical factors like some forms of brain damage) can make someone more likely to become depressed, but that doesn't mean that their depression is completely independent of what's going on in their life.

As I said before, the genes could be literally anything. They could be genes that make you fat, just as another crude example, and maybe it's being fat that's making you depressed, rather than the genes doing anything to your brain (of course there might be some genes that affect your brain, but still, your depression still wouldn't be completely independent of what's happening in your life).

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>>11405541
Depression is the result of poor energy metabolism (or sorry life circumstances), it downregulates itself to protect against the stress of active thinking and doing. Testosterone: a protective hormone. Low testosterone: depression to compensate for loss of protection.

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>>11400608
Genetics, environment, bad timing, bad fucking luck.

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>>11405554
>poor energy metabolism
The fuck does that even mean?

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>gif spamming to image limit
>mfw deduce there‘s a helpful infographic floating somewhere and jewanons don‘t want white americans to see it

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>>11406126
sry bout that, srsly dont know why mods aren't banning me

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>>11405120
YOU'RE WRONG!

Seriously, the brain is a fucking chemistry experiment. You can't tell me that everyone's chemistry is working perfectly, that's why we have mentally ill people. Depression can be categorized as mentally ill if your dopamine signals are fucked up genetically or through drug abuse. Then there are people who suffer from sort of trauma that allows them obey their mental blocks easier.

does that make sense?

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>>11406178
Sorry mate, I'm right, and you getting butthurt won't change that.

>the brain is a fucking chemistry experiment
Exactly, e.g. love is just oxytocin. But when a person is in love, do we say "oh that's just caused by a physical problem in their brain"? No, instead we say "they're in love because they are having a relationship with a woman that they have strong feelings for".

>You can't tell me that everyone's chemistry is working perfectly
Prove that a depressed person's feelings are completely independent of what's happening in their life - their environment. You can't.

>Depression can be categorized as mentally ill if your dopamine signals are fucked up genetically or through drug abuse
No, that's completely wrong. When a person is diagnosed with major depression, they don't test your brain to see how it responds to "dopamine signals". All they're assessing is the behaviour that you're displaying.

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>>11406203
I'm not mad at all. I just don't agree with you. Thats it and that's all. You make a flimsy argument though.

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>>11403090
>go for a 6 hour walk

Who the fuck walks for 6 hours?

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>>11406212
...I do.

>living nearby to comfy mountains

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>>11403093

Microdosing is a fucking meme. Try it and go balls deep.

I was in your position a few months ago - hopelessly desperate but knew better than to get on SSRI's. Took about 2g of shrooms with a lemon tek and had a very moving experience.

I could go in more detail, but since then I've been better, and haven't had to use it again either. Not "depression completely cured" better, but I feel a little more distanced from my depression than mired in it, so that even my bad days are no longer fucking BAD days, if you know what I mean. Some days still suck since my external situation hasn't changed yet and it's going to be a lot of work doing so, I'm still rarely super positive or upbeat but I haven't had any days where I've spiraled down hard.

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>>11405370
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[Anonymous No.11407037]

>>11400608
I'm more of what doesnt cause depression, people who are depressed are in normal state, whereas people who are not have found something going on with their lives which distracts them from depression

[Anonymous No.11407416]

>>11403299
>100% success rate
Dunno where you heard that but if that were the case we'd still be doing them.
>chance you'll turn into a potato
>chance you fuck something up in the process
>extremely painful
>very likely you'll cause another issue trying to fix the original issue

[Anonymous No.11407447]

>>11406208
You've given no counterargument to explain why you disagree with me.

Therefore my argument stands, and you have made a tacit admission that I am right.

[Anonymous No.11407454]

>>11407447
so pour another glass of this whiskey, it's making me dizzy i LIKE being dizzy

[Anonymous No.11407465]

>>11407037
Disagree. Success makes you fulfilled, content, and not depressed.

Success is not a distraction. Success is the most meaningful thing of all.

Success allows you to pass on your genes, which is the entire purpose of your life, as determined by natural selection.

[Anonymous No.11407579]

>>11400873
No scientific proof that it is caused by abnormal levels of neurotransmitter.
I have been taking different antidepressants for last 5 years and non of them really worked. They don’t cure depression but just make you not care about it or anything.
The only antidepressant that some what worked was Paroxetine, it made me feel high, and at the time I didn’t know I was high. Months later I was watching a video about MDMA and found out that the effects I felt while taking Paroxetine was very similar to MDMA, then I looked up the chemical structure and they are very similar.

[Anonymous No.11407617]

>>11400873
>>11407579
Different anon here, just want to respond to some of the points you've both raised.

>I think there's a big genetic component which can be seen as a risk factor.
Apparently genes are only thought to contribute to 37% of your risk of major depression. The other 63% is thought to be environmental factors that are specific to you (things you've experienced).

Source for this: https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp.157.10.1552
Which is cited on Wikipedia here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_depressive_disorder#Genetics

But here's the thing about that:
a) Unless your personal genome is sequenced, how do you know whether you have bad genes? You don't.
b) Scientists don't even know which genes are associated with an elevated risk of depression yet. They've just started producing studies about this in the last couple of years.
c) Those genes could be anything. Maybe some of them are genes that make people fat. Fat people would probably lead unhappier lives, and therefore be more depressed. We have no idea what those genes do. It could really be anything.

Some people find it useful to think that they have bad genes that make them depressed, but I don't. As I said, unless your genome is sequenced, you have no idea what genes you have. And scientists don't really know what genes are associated with depression anyway, nor what those genes actually do. I know that my bad moods in life have been caused by my shitty decisions. I don't want someone telling me I have genetic problems unless they can fucking prove it. Also, even if I did have bad genes, I can't do anything about that - but what I do have power over is my own actions, decisions, lifestyle, etc. So I will focus on those instead.

[Anonymous No.11407628]

>>11400873
>>11407579
And this point I want to reply to as well:
>The only antidepressant that some what worked was Paroxetine, it made me feel high, and at the time I didn’t know I was high. Months later I was watching a video about MDMA and found out that the effects I felt while taking Paroxetine was very similar to MDMA, then I looked up the chemical structure and they are very similar.
I've taken fluoxetine (Prozac) and mirtazapine, and I felt a high from both of those. It's a high that slightly resembles the high from cocaine (which I've done in the past), although obviously isn't exactly the same.

And I saw something recently showing that there are indeed similarities between cocaine and antidepressants:
>Cocaine acts by inhibiting the reuptake of serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine

SSRIs (fluoxetine, paroxetine, etc.) inhibit the reuptake of serotonin. And SNRIs (venlafaxine, duloxetine, etc.) inhibit the reuptake of both serotonin and norepinephrine.

So they do have similarities, apparently.

[Anonymous No.11407985]

>>11400608

1. Thyroid: Do you have hypothyroidism?
2. Blood test/Hormone profile: Do you have low free Test? High estradiol?
3. Lifestyle: Occupation, Diet, Sleep, Exercise, Socialization
4. Family history/Genetic: are your cousins also depressed? Get a DNA test to scan for abnormal genes/variants
5. Brain abnormalities: chemical/anatomical (do you have a tumor? dopamine deficiency? cerebral hypotaxia?)
6. Circumstantial: Did you just get fired unfairly? Ended a long-term relationship? Recently experienced some kind of tragedy? Are you coping with a traumatic event? Have you recently been on a big losing streak? Were you abused?
7. Stress resistance/Endocannabinoid: Are you over stressed? Do you have a weak stress response? Are you deficient in endocannabinoids?

[Anonymous No.11408770]

>>11407985
>Get a DNA test to scan for abnormal genes/variants
In my country (UK) this doesn't happen. They don't test your genes. Instead they say "One of your parents went through a bad spot in life, and you did too? Oh yeah that totally means you have shit genes."

Which is not only a) unsupported by the available facts (because they don't test your fucking genes, they just jump to conclusions instead), but also b) highly unethical, in my view.

What right does a doctor have to tell somebody that they're genetically flawed without giving any evidence to support that idea? Isn't that just like calling different races of people genetically flawed? It's the same fucking thing. The reason we recognise that it's unethical with people of different races is because it's psychologically limiting, and insulting, to say to someone "you're genetically flawed".

Of course if a doctor actually has evidence (by sequencing someone's genome) then it's absolutely fine to point out whatever genetic issues they may have. But jumping to conclusions and ASSUMING that someone has genetic problems is not factual, nor is it ethical.

[Anonymous No.11408778]

>>11400613
Dam I normally don't agree with the first post frogposter but he is right

Would I care about not having a gf If I didn't live in a society? Of course not. But it is so painful to feel so alone when everyone around you enjoys the company of other.

[Anonymous No.11408785]

>>11403364
amour propre

[Anonymous No.11408835]

>>11400608
depression is a feed system that is at a primitive stage of evolution, the benefit of depression is that it prevents the individual from reproducing, a selection bias based upon: a lack of self-control in doing things your subconscious wants you to do.
depression is primitive in the sense, that unlike the developed pain response, where the result also assists the individual, rather than the just gene group via selection, by causing a physical response immediately recoil from the pain stimulus. depression has not yet developed the individual benefit.
however, whilst the individual biological benefit of depression does not yet exist, or atleast for everyone, depression itself, if consciously recognized by the individual as being present. then depression is to be used to instruct actions must be undertaken.
travel south, to the light
consume knowledge
cum in the pussy
construct improvements
remove threats
contribute to your family or friends
create something original

depression is a system still in beta, and it can fuck you over more than it helps you, but its intended function is good one.

[Anonymous No.11409043]

>>11408785
Rosseau is literally retarded

[Anonymous No.11409071]

>>11400608
I've been clinically depressed since high school up until about this time last year when it started to get slightly better.
I moved to a new country. The weather was really nice, I made a lot of friends there (whereas I never really had any at home), I got a stable job with a nice wage. Some days I felt down, but it was never anything like the depression I had before. I used to take meds for it, but I've been off them for over a year now.
I think technology and social media has a lot to do with the increase in depression in this generation. When I first moved, I stopped using the internet almost entirely.

[Anonymous No.11409083]

>>11401107
>This hypothesis has been all but rejected by most researchers
In fact there was a keynote at the APA where the president specifically debunked this myth of neurotransmitter deficit.

The whole idea is drug industry PR and nothing more.

[Anonymous No.11409099]

Corpus callosum

[Anonymous No.11409169]

>>11400608
lack of exercise

[Anonymous No.11409431]

>>11407447
What was even your argument again? Sorry, it's been days since your response, and I've been doing things that make me happy in between that time.