/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11391479]

Will nanotechnology become a thing within our lifetime?

[Anonymous No.11391495]

>>11391479
No. It'll take a massive shift in energy storage. Modern batteries would shake a nanobot apart.

[Anonymous No.11391862]

>>11391495
it will extract energy from the blood retard

[Anonymous No.11391901]

>>11391862
That's not the problem the anon mentioned in his post. Read again, sperg.

[Anonymous No.11391921]

>>11391479
probably not unless our lithography techniques suddenly see a paradigm shift.

[Anonymous No.11391924]

biology is literally the most efficient form of nanotech

everything else looks like silicon wafer shit and cant really get into the body without harming it

[Anonymous No.11391925]

It already is.

[Anonymous No.11391927]

>>11391901
lol what do you think that retard was talking about of if not his unimaginative ideas about how nanorobots being impossible because of battery size that they'd need to STORE ENERGY you fucking low iq chimp

[Anonymous No.11391931]

>>11391479
The person who made this image is a retard and doesn't understand the scale of DNA.

[Anonymous No.11391932]

>>11391924
>NOOOO NANOROBOTS ARE IMPOSSIBLE! MY DEGREE WILL NEVER BECOME WORTHLESS!

[Anonymous No.11391936]

>>11391931
no you're a neil degresse tyson tier retard and don't understand what art is, that image is fucking awesome, it was never meant to be scientifically accurate

[Anonymous No.11392019]

>>11391931
>>11391936
>hating awesome art
Jeez, how can one man be this bitter

[Anonymous No.11392020]

>>11392019
oh wow you doubled the horizontal resolution of your post and it is still garbage

[Anonymous No.11392036]

>>11391479
No.
Stop asking if scifi shit will become a thing.

[Anonymous No.11392038]

>>11391927
>can barely type English
>thinks nanobots are some real concept
>thinks blood is used to store and produce energy
Imagine calling someone low IQ after that.

[Anonymous No.11392072]

>>11392038
>resorts to adhoc personal insults because way too dumb to keep up with debate
>far too low iq to see link with blood sugar

[Anonymous No.11392074]

>>11392038
>resorts to adhoc personal insults because way too low iq to keep up with debate
>what is sugar

[Anonymous No.11392079]

>>11391932
theres already a machine for putting base pairs into dna its called fucking crispr. how will you make atomic-size electronics for these robots. fuck even thinking about it a circuit-equivalent would probably just be some massive complex enzyme. thats biology

[Anonymous No.11392081]

>>11391479
Does this reality, our world? Look like Metal Gear Solid?

[Anonymous No.11392087]

>>11392079
>crispr
>machine

[Anonymous No.11392101]

>>11392019
>>11391936
based af

[Anonymous No.11392132]

>>11392038
>thinks blood is used to produce and store energy
well that's what the cells living in blood literally do

[Anonymous No.11392143]

>>11392020
It's not even the same picture, you blind retard

[Anonymous No.11392146]

>>11391924
This. Nanomachines (at least on the extremely small end) will all be some form of engineered protein/virus/bacteria that performs some specialized function. Thinking that we’re going to be manufacturing massive quantities of nanoscale robots out of metals is absurd.

[Anonymous No.11392151]

>>11392146
>out of metals
we're gonna make them out of carbon/silicone, duh

[Anonymous No.11392178]

>>11391479
No, not as "robots" but perhaps as biological microorganisms designed as a tool for a single purpose.
>>11391924
>>11392079
>>11392146
This. I'm glad a few anons have been listening to what I've been saying on /sci/ for while now.

Rule of thumb; if it has anything to do with humans, a biological solutions will ALWAYS be more practical than any mechanical thing we try to design for ourselves.
This has been true in the past, is true in the present, and will assumedly hold true into the future.
Consider for example how getting a kidney transplant is 1000000x better than staying on dialysis. The only people who advocate for renal dialysis are the bastards who make the machine itself, and the same will be the case in a techno-capitalist future.

And to all the robo mind-upload fags:
If we had a real, legitimate artificial intelligence running on some giga-supercomputer, and we told it to create an optimized design for intelligence, it would create something resembling the human brain. Among other things, the thermal-efficiency is beyond crazy.
See, Natural Selection did all the hard math for us already.

[Anonymous No.11392196]

>>11392178
>biological solutions will ALWAYS be more practical than any mechanical thing we try to design for ourselves.
>If we had a real, legitimate artificial intelligence running on some giga-supercomputer, and we told it to create an optimized design for intelligence, it would create something resembling the human brain
>Natural Selection did all the hard math for us already


t. low iq coupled with extreme low imaginative ability

[Anonymous No.11392200]

>>11392132
Right I forgot that erythrocytes delivering oxygen magically creates ATP.

[Anonymous No.11392206]

>>11392196
Give it up already anon. You'll never be the robo-anon like in your vidya and hollywood.

[Anonymous No.11392210]

>>11392206
No such thing as a chad overman. We need tech to fix our human problems, death and aging included. Death is a byproduct of cruel disorder

[Anonymous No.11392243]

>>11392210
men are meant to die, anon
we are not fit for immortality.
if would suck for us to live indefinitely. not because of "loved ones die" blahblah coping trash talk, but not spending more than 100 years on this planet is actually a good thing just trust me on that anon

[Anonymous No.11392249]

>>11392243
Tell me why it's a good thing. I want to see everything, know everything, be able to do everything. There is not enough time on this earth for that. If we could download skills, at least then I could die in peace.

[Anonymous No.11392253]

>>11392249
>I want to see everything, know everything, be able to do everything.
not possible anon, not even with an arbitrarily long life.

[Anonymous No.11392256]

>>11392253
Why? I bet you could do everything on Earth by the time you turn 300. If you have an indefinite lifespan, you could do everything.

[Anonymous No.11392319]

>>11392178
>If we had a real, legitimate artificial intelligence running on some giga-supercomputer, and we told it to create an optimized design for intelligence, it would create something resembling the human brain. Among other things, the thermal-efficiency is beyond crazy.
The human brain is about 10^20 away from actual physical limits in terms of computational efficiency. Also, unlike digital computers, the human brain is really hard to interface with and program directly. The advantage robots will have in self modification is huge once they are sentient.

And in fact, even at the current level, this single thing is responsible for all of the progress in ML. Just imagine where we would be today if we used a system akin to biological evolution to develop AI. We would never have gotten anywhere as it would take so long to train a single agent.
>See, Natural Selection did all the hard math for us already.
If only we knew what that math is. I would be super happy to actually implement it.

But sarcasm aside, it is inevitable that this will be figured out. The brains aren't going anywhere and eventually the researchers' ability to do accurate recordings will reach a level where what the brain does is understood.

[Anonymous No.11392428]

>>11391901
>>11391927
Boys boys knock it off

[Anonymous No.11393721]

>>11391479
that depends on whether mechanosynthesis is possible and scalable. If it is not, then things are pretty hopeless. Mechanosynthesis means carrying out reactions by mechanically placing atoms and molecules. By doing things mechanically, we don't have to worry about electric charge going everywhere, because electrons are quite tightly bound in atoms. We can make simple devices with solution phase chemistry, but yields drop exponentially with each reaction step. Biology is limited and hard to engineer. You will never ever be able to realize so called nanobots of fiction with biology.
>>11391495
A tiny robot operating in the blood may be powered by combusting glucose:
http://www.nanomedicine.com/NMI/6.3.4.4.htm
In truth combustion is a terrible way to power a tiny robot, but it's a simple one. But the whole point of 'mechanical' nanotechnology is being easier to engineer than everything else. And while everything in the above sounds ridiculous, it currently is. We do not know if the process necessary to manufacturer such things, mechanosynthesis, is even possible or if it scales.
>>Modern batteries would shake a nanobot apart.
I fail to see how a battery would shake something apart.
>>11391936
>>11392019
In my opinion that art is terrible.

[Anonymous No.11394140]

>>11392079
Lol crispr
Don’t forget to sign the HIV immunisation waver before the bugmen screw your children’s DNA

[Anonymous No.11394159]

Yes, of course

[Anonymous No.11394166]

>>11391479
it already is, it's called biology. get rekt godless pervert