/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11386009]

The Year is 2020, there is
>No fusion
>No intercontinental high-speed rail
>No mach 10+ aircraft
>No moon colony
>No Mars colony
>No genetically engineered humans
>No cybernetically engineered humans
>No true AI
>No ocean city
>No true hoverboards
>No flying cars
>No surgical nanobots
>No solutions to Millennium Problems
>No alien contact
>No Indian superpower
>No fountain of youth
>No independent exoskeleton
>No JWST
>No ITER
>No anti-matter technology
>No peace in the Middle East

Explain yourselves /sci/entists

[Anonymous No.11386015]

Fuck that shit. We are too busy sucking corporate dicks for grants lmao.
t. /sci/entists

[Anonymous No.11386023]

>>11386015
this, or fighting the climate change boogeyman for our lobbyist overlords who have a penchant for little girls too.

[Anonymous No.11386025]

>>11386009
>The Year is 2020, there is
>>No fusion
I actually didn't even think of this until I read your post. Thanks for ruining my decade.

[Anonymous No.11386330]

>>11386009
>Explain yourselves /sci/entists
you zoomer children always just want shit to happen without working for it. You know how long humanity was around before simple tools were thought up?

[Anonymous No.11386334]

>>11386009
It will take time

[Anonymous No.11386336]

>>11386330
don't pretend like you weren't just handed a booming economy then put the tab for your excessive spending on future gens, boomer.

[Anonymous No.11386340]

It's taken Elon Musk, starting with literally millions of dollars, two fucking decades to make a couple cars with batteries.

Every single thing you list is more complicated than that. There's no way this entire board put together could make a dent in any of those things.

[Anonymous No.11386343]

>>11386340
>underestimating the power of weaponized autism
baka desu senpai

[Anonymous No.11386346]

>>11386009
what do you mean by independent exoskeleton? You can rent one from cyberdyne in Japan. Some paraplegics have exoskeletons.

[Anonymous No.11386349]

>>11386009
most of those make no practical sense

[Anonymous No.11386351]

>Jump from Wright Brothers to Saturn V - 60 years

>From Saturn V to ??? - already been another 50 years

The absolute state of science and engineering in this country

[Anonymous No.11386360]

>>11386343
OK, game it out. Let's say it's a meme effort akin to Baneposting causing that one airplane crash or /pol/ getting Trump elected.

How does that lead to solving the major elements of, say, a moon colony? You need:
>A business plan that can be pitched to raise enough capital
>Acquisition or development of lunar transport (people)
>Acquisition or development of lunar transport (mining equipment and/or elements for the habitat)
>Detailed RFQs for oxygen, food, water, anti-radiation, and creature comfort elements of habitat.
>Detailed RFQs for oxygen, food, water, anti-radiation, and creature comfort elements of human transport.
>Assembly and coordination of materials with non-autistic crew members
>Booking several launch windows (have to call NASA and *not* hang up).

And that's just off the top of my head.

[Anonymous No.11386364]

>>11386009
>>No solutions to Millennium Problems
one of them was solved

[Anonymous No.11386376]

>>11386360
Meme space travel for the common man as a thing, bring back that 60's optimism and drive, the resources are there but they need to be guided into the right direction instead of capeshit movies.

[Anonymous No.11386384]

>>11386376
Then you've just taken on the problems of acquiring a generally (or specifically?) targeted media industry and directing it to modify the culture. Both of those are non-trivial unless you've got billions of dollars to burn.

But if you've got billions of dollars to burn, funding the moon mission outright or plowing a few million into lobbying for an increased NASA budget are going to be easier and more effective.

[Anonymous No.11386393]

>>11386384
NASA is a money black hole, you'll need actual competition to get a space race going, maybe the chinks will spark a fire in our asses but they don't really seem that interested in space travel.

[Anonymous No.11386405]

>>11386009
Black people exist, and your taxes have to pay for it. (Also drug-addled rural crackers.)

[Anonymous No.11386414]

>>11386393
By default, yes, it does the whole diffuse jobs program "dither by design" thing. A hypothetical billionaire paying off some congressmen would get explicit line items in the NASA budget though and from there you'd probably see some results, Chinese competition or no.

[Anonymous No.11386430]

>>11386009
>No genetically engineered humans

Wasn't there that Chinese doctor who claimed to have genetically engineered twin girls to be HIV resistant? Heard he got arrested though; PRC probably has him working to improve the elites children or something now.

[Anonymous No.11386435]

People complaining that
>there is no true AI YET, therefore there never will be
don't know what's going on in the field. Everything is proceeding apace. That is, the only pace it could proceed at. Just because that's too slow for you is neither here nor there. Read through this for example:
https://www.quantamagazine.org/artificial-intelligence-will-do-what-we-ask-thats-a-problem-20200130/

Here's a snippet
>Niekum and his colleagues found that they could improve and dramatically speed up learning by showing a robot demonstrations that have been ranked according to how well the human performed. “The agent can look at that ranking, and say, ‘If that’s the ranking, what explains the ranking?” Niekum said. “What’s happening more often as the demonstrations get better, what happens less often?” The latest version of the learning algorithm, called Bayesian T-REX (for “trajectory-ranked reward extrapolation”), finds patterns in the ranked demos that reveal possible reward functions that humans might be optimizing for.

In short, AI learns better via "monkey-see-monkey-do" than through simple reward function optimization. Which is curiously the same way that humans learn best. Don't worry AI is coming. Automation is responsible for more job losses than immigration at this point. Farm work is increasingly being automated. This is all happening now. But it's like people don't even know what's going on around them.

[Anonymous No.11386439]

>>11386430

>secretly sentenced a scientist to death for teaching Uyghur Chinese kids about their ancestral origins
>ignored the scientists who first warned about the Corona virus and conveniently allowed him to get sick from virus and die

Sorry anon but your genetic engineering doctor is fucked.

[Anonymous No.11386441]

>>11386009
>>No alien contact
How exactly is this a failure? I'm scratching my head.

[Anonymous No.11386442]

>>11386441
It means we didn't become an important enough threat to them which means we are in the wrong end of the technological bell curve.

[Anonymous No.11386446]

>>11386442
Please sir, I hear that you're an authority on technological bell curves. Could you explain further?

[Anonymous No.11386453]

We have this, though.

[Anonymous No.11386460]

>>11386009
it's a shame because almost all of these things are now feasible, just not financially viable as an investment

[Anonymous No.11386466]

>>11386351
technology doesn't work like that, it took 50 years for the development of basic shit like Saturn V, it's going to take double that time to go to the next step and then double that and so on and so forth. Humanity is already at a peak, we hit a decline, get bored, then move onto the next step.

[Anonymous No.11386473]

Even if all of this + FTL and galaxy colonization becomes reality, the human species will die out anyway.

[Anonymous No.11386474]

>>11386446
I'm not an authority, but judging by the nonaction of the ones who are authorities it means they don't think we are technologically impressive.

>but no aliens!
If there really are no aliens then it's just another disappointment to the pile.

[Anonymous No.11386481]

>>11386009
africa needs that money for the starving children

[Anonymous No.11386498]

>>11386474
So either a demon that I have no evidence for keeps breaking down my fence or my fence is shitty and the wind keeps blowing it over. Hmm, what a conundrum.

[Anonymous No.11386501]

>>11386473
FTL simply isn't possible

[Anonymous No.11386505]

>>11386498
If your fence breaks down then you know for sure that there is something breaking it down which is most likely not a demon, but that's irrelevant to my post since I'm talking about a fence that doesn't break down which means the demon either doesn't exist or doesn't care enough about the fence.

[Anonymous No.11386507]

>>11386505
There's no need for pedantry. You know what I mean.

[Anonymous No.11386544]

>>11386009
>bitches about science
>uses a device to shitpost which science invented for him

[Anonymous No.11386550]

>>11386544
The internet is 60 years old bruh.

[Anonymous No.11386553]

>>11386550
Right I forgot that computers and the internet just popped into existence

[Anonymous No.11386571]

The progress went insanely fast in 19th/20th century and we expected it to get even faster but apparently it was either a fluke or we just invented pretty much everything that's humanly possible.

[Anonymous No.11386576]

>>11386571
It still goes fast, people are just complaining despite all the new stuff that gets discovered all the time.

[Anonymous No.11386579]

>>11386576
yeah dude we just got rid of audio jacks in phones and made wireless earbuds that can least for full two hours and only drop signal every 10 minutes or so, we're progressing so fast

[Anonymous No.11386610]

>>11386544
>b-b-b-b-b-but you can shitpost on the internet!!!
I rather have spaceships

[Anonymous No.11386694]

>>11386610
What do you mean by "spaceships"?

[Anonymous No.11386755]

>>11386009
>No fusion
Its in the sky every day, and you can make a fusion reactor with a high voltage power supply and a vacuum chamber.
>No intercontinental high-speed rail
Its cheaper to fly or use cargo ships.
>No mach 10+ aircraft
The airforce has experimental ramjet/scramjet craft.
>No moon colony
We have a space station, and haven't been trying to fund, or build a moon colony.
>No Mars colony
Did you really think America is a scientifically motivated country?
>No genetically engineered humans
The existence of two hiv resistant children in China would say otherwise
>No cybernetically engineered humans
Ever heard of neurolace and prostetic limbs?
>No true AI
Alpha go beat go several years ago, something people thought wouldn't be possible without decades of computing advancement.
>No ocean city
They are called drilling platforms.
>No true hoverboards
Neckbeards haven't divined sufficient antigravity tech yet. Hoverboards do however exist.
>No flying cars
You mean you haven't been browsing youtube and looking at all the flying car prototypes? There are dozens.
>No surgical nanobots
Nanotech has been a buzzword since the 80s, but real research is slow. The kids growing up knowing it even existed are just now getting their careers started. The tech will take decades or centuries to mature.
>No solutions to Millennium Problems
w/e, only math nerds care
>No alien contact
Have you never heard of DMT, Psilocybin, or simple 'astral projection'? Its like you expect normie reality to hand feed you alien mysteries from other dimensions, but still conform to your 3rd dimensional expectations of life hundreds of millions of years more evolved than humanity.
>No Indian superpower
Their economy is doing quite well, considering.
>No fountain of youth
All the wealth in the world has never bought man immortality. Technology isn't going to change that.
>No independent exoskeleton
You could be the one to make it! Several do exist, they are just clunky, and inconvenient.

[Anonymous No.11386757]

>>11386009
>No JWST
Its built, they are just testing.
>No ITER
Did anyone ever really expect a multi billion dollar international project to be finished on time? Mid 2020s is still on target for the 2020s.
>No anti-matter technology
Yea, all 12 atoms worth of antimatter. We sure know how to exploit this for infinite energy!
>No peace in the Middle East
Did you think our braindead foreign policy was designed to achieve that?

[Anonymous No.11386776]

>>11386755
>>11386757
cope

[Anonymous No.11386792]

>>11386757
>Its built, they are just testing.
you lie, they're still getting parts delivered.
https://jwst.nasa.gov/content/status/index.html
they were just awarded another $1.7billion of government mad money taken out of other people's pockets by force so the sadistic thieving bastards that run the show are all by guaranteed to be announcing another delay shorty. that will guarantee them the opportunity to demand further budget increased in the future.
taxes are one thing if its some sort of legit effort to benefit everyone, but wasting those fund on autistic incompetent losers who take their stupid worthless cope hobby way too seriously.

[Anonymous No.11386809]

>>11386792
JWST is a prime example of why a lot of OPs complaints exist to begin with, the people in charge of decision making stupidly wasting such vast resources on pie in the sky bullshit for soience faggots that achievable advancements play second fiddle or fall by the wayside entirely.
How many super genius brainiacs have wasted the past quarter century of their incredibly important careers in soience research on a pointless hunk of shit like JWST thats never going to do anything to benefit anyone even if it does end up working as intended? What else and inevitably more valuable achievements could they have made if they hadn't devoted the majority of their working lives to such a completely stupid goal?

>>11386009
>No anti-matter technology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron_emission_tomography

[Elder NPC No.11386810]

>>11386009
There is pussy though.

[Anonymous No.11386856]

Friendly reminder that 99% of sci fi shit is already possible, but not feasible because it would require too much energy

[Anonymous No.11386865]

>>11386009
But you have niggers and transgenderism

[Anonymous No.11386882]

>>11386009
jews

[Anonymous No.11386886]

>>11386009
>No intercontinental high-speed rail
There is in Europe, but there's literally no reason to build it in the US. We'd be better served making airports less of a nightmare.
>No mach 10+ aircraft
What would the purpose be? The fucking 20th century saw supersonic transport, but it got BTFO by economics. People without loadsamoney would rather fly first class, in absolute luxury for 7 hours than be crammed into the Concorde for 3 hours at 3x the price.
>No flying cars
Totally possible but not a good idea until full self driving/flying is available. Look at how many total road accidents happen because of human error, now imagine if they were all fatal.

[Anonymous No.11386909]

>>11386886
>intercontinental
>There is in Europe
dat intracontinental intercontinental high-speed rail

[Anonymous No.11386920]

>>11386909
Sorry, I didn't think that someone would actually believe trains between continents would be a good idea.

[Anonymous No.11387191]

>>11386009
Ehem.
>No fusion
coming soon™
>No intercontinental high-speed rail
airplanes are much more economically viable
>No moon colony
coming soon™
>No Mars colony
Elon Scam will do it (not)
>No genetically engineered humans
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612458/exclusive-chinese-scientists-are-creating-crispr-babies/
>No cybernetically engineered humans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDsNZJTWw0w
>No flying cars
they're called helicopters
>No surgical nanobots
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/cancer-hunt-nanorobots-tumours-shrink-cut-off-blood-supply-robots-treatment-a8206801.html
>No solutions to Millennium Problems
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincar%C3%A9_conjecture
>No Indian superpower
lmao
>No independent exoskeleton
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/241613-walking-hyundais-exoskeleton-helps-paraplegics-move
>No peace in the Middle East
what's that got to do w/ science?

[Anonymous No.11387194]

>>11386009
because we need a fucking war, or some mad scientist who hates his fucking life.

[Anonymous No.11387197]

>>11386882
dinkelberg, wait wtf, berg, was that the first ((()))? god they really put subliminal messages in media don't they. I remmember seeing a bojackhorseman episode where the chick couldn't get viewers to read her propaganda so she just started putting her propaganda inside shit people usually see.

[Anonymous No.11387326]

>>11387194
Don't worry bro we got coronachan

[Anonymous No.11387368]

>>11386015
This. The real important things don't generate money easily, because many very small steps have to be taken towards a great goal.
Scientists earn shit compared to engineers at, say, Boeing.

[Anonymous No.11387939]

But I can watch porn in 4K

[Anonymous No.11387950]

>>11387194
don't worry, we're going to war with Earth soon

[Anonymous No.11388347]

>>11386009
but at least we have diversity and inclusivness

[Anonymous No.11388444]

.......only brute force

[Anonymous No.11388492]

>>11386015
>>11387368

>the only reason i'm not rich is that i care about science, not money! i'm not less smart than people who make more money than me!!
>the only reason i haven't invented anything of significance is that there's not enough tax payer money being wasted on me to do whatever the fuck i want with it!! companies pay me more than the state forces taxpayers to pay me!

[Anonymous No.11388496]

>>11386015
>>11387368

>the only reason i'm not rich is that i care about science, not money! i'm not less smart than people who make more money than me!!
>the only reason i haven't invented anything of significance is that there's not enough tax payer money being wasted on me to do whatever the fuck i want with it!! companies pay me more than the state forces taxpayers to pay me so i have to do their bidding!

[Anonymous No.11388516]

>>11386009
>No fusion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTaXfbvGf8E

>No intercontinental high-speed rail
Hyber Loob *snibbin-snabbin*

>No mach 10+ aircraft
I know of a [REDACTED] that can [REDACTED] even faster than that.

>No moon colony
*mining the entire surface*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq6mJOktIvM

>No Mars colony
*mining robot dropships*
Always start with the lay of the land.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtYisD7RqWk

>No genetically engineered humans
If you only knew what happens in [REDACTED].

>No cybernetically engineered humans
See: Neuralink for more details.

>No true AI
*pic related*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrEttzMCneo
+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebnd03x137A

>No ocean city
Rapture actually exists, except it was successful. It is located in [REDACTED]. You just never explored hard enough.

>Cont.

[Anonymous No.11388562]

>>11386009
science has been hijacked by "woke" culture, forced diversity, lower standards, climate change obsession, and overall corruption. We won't get a single thing on that list until at least 2045 after much self-correction in the scientific research communities.

[Anonymous No.11388568]

>>11388516
3/10 schizo

[Anonymous No.11388574]

>>11386453
yeah why this mf not listing the things we have accomplished?

[Anonymous No.11388580]

>>11388516
>No true hoverboards

If you only knew. Here are these temporary substitutes in the meantime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UbOG0ERCwM
+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSheVhmcYLA
+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsqU-0CPoTs

>No flying cars
These are peanuts compared to [REDACTED]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgeMJ1hX9KI
+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0DM3wrEveg

>No surgical nanobots
See: >>11386755

>No solutions to Millennium Problems
*sets the P=NP research on fire*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaPpjTZa9bA

>No alien contact
Yet.

>No Indian superpower
Technically gotta give them 'till the end of this year. However, I wouldn't put it past them if they suddenly tap into their actual Gurus and begin constructing Vimanas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypHNy2-JC-Q

>No fountain of youth
I literally have [REDACTED] using [REDACTED] to make myself virtually [REDACTED].

>No independent exoskeleton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs1YJErVAt4

>No JWST
JUST WAIT SOME TIME

>No ITER
GIMME 5 MINUTES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ

>No anti-matter technology
>He can't into casting Graviga
And before you think I am joking about literally casting Graviga the actual proofs and methods for this are: [REDACTED]
*pic very much related*

>No peace in the Middle East
*calculating optimal scenario*
[REDACTED]

[Anonymous No.11388605]

>>11388568
>schizo
I believe you have me confused with a psychopath.

[Anonymous No.11388619]

>>11387950
um, what?

[Anonymous No.11388631]

>>11386376
>bring back that 60's optimism
Motherfucker. Did you know most people were against the moon landing back in hte 60s because they saw it as a waste of money? Nobody outside of the equvialent of today's idealists and literal children thought it was cool or worthwhile. I hate you "le wrong generation" faggots so god damn much.

[Anonymous No.11388651]

>>11388631
>Did you know most people were against the moon landin

most? no way you fucking retard. in the heigh of the cold war, after the soviets already sent the first man to space before the US? take your meds

[Anonymous No.11388658]

>>11388631
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmIWl-jF6mo

[Anonymous No.11389287]

>>11386015
also the Gouvernement, sucking them off and publishing papers at the speed of the light because otherwise nobody get money. The biggest problem is the funds, sciences barely has a budget in EU and USA, maybe China put more, but we don't know, also, people want results from sciences very fast, while sciences need years to research,build, test, etc. So in conclusion, you will see a nuclear fusion reactor, mars colony, moon colony, in 20 years at least.

[Anonymous No.11389290]

>60s optimism
>Hey little Timmy, dad's gonna show you how to build a fallout shelter today

[Anonymous No.11389296]

>>11389290
>judging the past through current day pessimistic meme lenses thinking you are being unbiased
90 iq

[Anonymous No.11389587]

>>11386453
This post here proves that /sci/ has no mods

[Anonymous No.11389658]

>>11386336
Horsey
why am I not surprised
into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.11389661]

>>11388631
>most people were against the moon landing
Source? Data?

[Anonymous No.11389680]

>>11386755
The train has been so vigorous and unrelenting you just take loads straight down the throat. Just think for a minute, you wasted your time actually coughing up this meme tier splooge.

[Anonymous No.11389750]

>>11386920
Istanbul has intercontinental commuter rail. Egypt's rail network crosses the Suez Canal, and so runs between Asia and Africa. And of course Russia has rail between Europe and Asia, with pie-in-the-sky dreams of making it high speed rail.
OP may have been thinking about the proposed Gibraltar Tunnel. I suppose rail crossing between North and South America is technically feasible,just not economically attractive. Occasionally rail fans float the idea of rail from Alaska to Russia, but beyond the question of crossing the Bering Strait is the fact that the Strait is very far from any existing rail network. I can't think of any other crossings that don't leave the continental shelf.

[Anonymous No.11389784]

>>11386009
We got robot arms tho

[Anonymous No.11390377]

>>11386430
It is unironically capitalism's fault. There's just no market for anything you'be listed. We need a cold war with china or an alien invasion for the government to drop billions into research.

[Anonymous No.11391194]

umm excuze you sweaty, but now its women's turn to shine!

[Anonymous No.11391900]

>>11386009
>JWST
wow. nasa is such a scam today.

[Anonymous No.11391913]

>>11391900
watching this thing explode will be fun

[Anonymous No.11391930]

if the 19th century was allowed to evolve into ancapistan this would have all happened by now

the worst thing was the energy cartel btfo nuclear energy and thorium

they will do the same to fusion.. probably over the miniscule amount of nuclear waste from neutron transmutation

[Anonymous No.11391954]

>>11389290
This but with more bulli.
:'(

[Anonymous No.11391956]

>>11386435
Say the robots are Mexicans and maybe they'll do something about it.

MEXICAN.
ROBOTS.
TAKING.
YOUR.
JOBS.

[Anonymous No.11391960]

>>11386009
>Peace in the Middle East
A lot less people die there now than in prior decades, for what it's worth

[Anonymous No.11391974]

>>11389661
It's only become worse since then.