/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11377491]

Is LGBT a mental illness or what?

[Anonymous No.11377506]

>>11377491
define "mental illness".

[Anonymous No.11377522]

another 1?

[Anonymous No.11377563]

>>11377522
I was hoping someone would give a rundown on the history. I didn't get to read the last thread

[Anonymous No.11377576]

>>11377506
thoughts which causes you to suffer so badly you are unable to survive without help. That's my definition of course.

[Anonymous No.11377583]

>>11377576
Then homosexuality is not an mental illness and transsexuality is.

[Anonymous No.11377590]

I think so

[Anonymous No.11377591]

>>11377583
Well if you are transgender you can still survive, the transgenders in Naples even partecipated in the war against the nazis with guns and shits (they were mtof but still with dick)

[Anonymous No.11377595]

*hidden*

[Anonymous No.11377597]

>>11377563
yeah me either. sounds like an interesting thread. Im straight but me and my girl think homophobia is for niggers

[Anonymous No.11377598]

>>11377576
Yes, because ADHD causes death.

[Anonymous No.11377599]

>>11377491
No

[Anonymous No.11377605]

>>11377491
sometimes

[Anonymous No.11377615]

Some say sexual deviancy is a sign of intelligence..

[Anonymous No.11377619]

Homosexuality isn't. Trans people might TECHNICALLY be mentally ill because disphoria sounds like something that's fucked up, but it's a kind of harmless illness on the level of the people that decide to undergo radical transformations like bodybuilders.

>BUT MUH CHILDREN ARE TURNING GAYREEEE DILATE 41%
I don't give a fuck.

[Anonymous No.11377623]

>>11377615
literally who says that..?

[Anonymous No.11377646]

>>11377590
Okay, so the gay community is full of whores. Explain how being a whore is a mental illness.

[Anonymous No.11377647]

A disease or illness or disorder is any condition that prevents or hinders human body or mind from functioning normally.

Zoophilia and paedophilia are considered to be mental illnesses because their primary sexual attraction is for things that they cannot possibly reproduce with which prevents or hinders the normal human functioning of sexual reproduction.

By the exact same reasoning homosexuality is also a mental illness.

[Anonymous No.11377652]

>>11377619
>>11377599
>>11377595
>>11377583
>>11377576
All wrong. See >>11377647

[Anonymous No.11377661]

>>11377647
Human sexuality is fluid. You can be pedophile, zoophile, homosexual and straight at the same time.

How would you classify such person?

[Anonymous No.11377679]

>>11377647
what about bisexuals that slightly prefer women over men?

[Anonymous No.11377696]

>>11377661
those disorders are mutually exclusive because they're all descriptions of the primary sexual attraction . you can't be primarily sexually attracted to both your own sex and the opposite sex

[Anonymous No.11377698]

>>11377696
> you can't be primarily sexually attracted to both your own sex and the opposite sex

How do you know that?

[Anonymous No.11377700]

>>11377647
>A disease or illness or disorder is any condition that prevents or hinders human body or mind from functioning normally.

INCORRECT DIPSHIT

You whole argument is based on "normality" but instead it should be based on "suffering".

People with ABNORMALLY good social skills are not considered ill. People with ABNORMALLY high intelligence are not considered ill. People with ABNORMALLY high musical ability are not considered ill.


If the ABNORMAILTY causes suffering then it is a disorder. If not it is a GIFT.

[Anonymous No.11377703]

>>11377646
Does that really need to be explained?

[Anonymous No.11377704]

>>11377679
a bisexual man or a bisexual woman?

[Anonymous No.11377707]

>>11377491
Of course. Anyone with eyes can see sodomites are messed up in the head

[Anonymous No.11377715]

>>11377698
because to have a primary attraction to something means to be attracted to that thing more than other things. So in order for something to be what you're primarily attracted to , your level of attraction for that thing must be strictly greater than any other thing you have attraction for , and there can only ever be one thing that you have strictly greater attraction for than all other things.

[Anonymous No.11377721]

>>11377704
male

[Anonymous No.11377723]

[Anonymous No.11377727]

>>11377715
This still does not make sense.

Primary (woman) > secondary (goat) = overall attraction. yes? no? I do not know. Im asking you

[Anonymous No.11377728]

>>11377700
Let me explain what I meant better because you're right that I did allow room for what I said to be misinterpreted.

"A disease or illness or disorder is any condition that prevents or hinders human body or mind from functioning at an at-least normal level."

There you go. Now come up with another argument because your current one is defused, you fucking queer.

[Anonymous No.11377729]

Obviously it’s a fucking mental illness. Notice how the more dysfunctional western society gets, the more we are forced to accept the fags and trannies? It is a mental illness that is the symptom of declining social cohesion and lack of purpose leading to degenerate hedonism.

[Anonymous No.11377731]

>>11377721
they're not mentally ill so long as they're not hindered from reproducing.

[Anonymous No.11377737]

>>11377727
yes it does make sense. let's use your original example
>You can be pedophile, zoophile, homosexual and straight at the same time.

Imagine a person who is homosexual. that person's primary sexual attraction is to members of the same sex and so they are attracted to members of the same sex more than any other category.
Now you imagine that person is heterosexual, which means that person is primarily sexually attracted to members of the opposite sex which means that person is attracted to people of the opposite sex more than any other category.
This is mutually contradictory because they are different categories and so they cannot both possess more of your attraction than any other category simultaneously.

This is why your statement
>You can be pedophile, zoophile, homosexual and straight at the same time.
is wrong.

[Anonymous No.11377743]

>>11377737
>is wrong.

Is not. Im talking from experience.

[Anonymous No.11377747]

>>11377743
>is shown proof that what he's saying is mutually contradictory
>"no I'm talking from experience"
Ok retard

[Anonymous No.11377751]

>>11377747
>talks from experience
>other retard makes up contradictory sentences based on thought
Am i retard?

[Anonymous No.11377826]

>>11377728

But how do you define what is "less" than normal?

Is it based on reproductive success? If so a homosexual that donates sperm is outdoing 99.9% of men that ever existed.

I propose it should be based on suffering (which incidentally means queers and trannies are mentally ill because it generally harms more than it helps)

[Anonymous No.11377848]

>>11377826
For what we're talking about normal is reproducing, yes. Obviously being primarily sexually attracted to things you can't reproduce with is a hindrance to reproduction.

Your example of donating sperm is you saying that this hindrance can be overcome, but that's irrelevant. Most diseases are hindrances to normal functioning that can be compensated for in other ways. For example a cold hinders you from athletic performance etc. but someone with a cold could make themselves so healthy and athletic that they "outdo" most other men even when they do not have a cold.
That does not change that the cold and homosexuality are both hindrances to performing at at-least normal levels and thus are diseases/illnesses/disorders.

according to your proposition zoophilia and paedophilia probably wouldn't be considered mental disorders since one could easily imagine a practicing zoophile or paedophile enjoying themselves and not suffering, this is inadequate.

[Anonymous No.11377868]

>>11377591
Those are just drag queens anon.

[Anonymous No.11377871]

>>11377619
>Harmless
I've never seen a tranny that didn't have other mental issues. Being trans is likely an indicator of more severe problems just below the surface

[Anonymous No.11377875]

>>11377491
sexual orientation is a meme

[Anonymous No.11377876]

>>11377590
>28% of gay men have 1000 or more sexual partners
imagine actually believing this

[Anonymous No.11377928]

>>11377848

Agreed. I did suggest a method to compensate for homosexuality which is irrelevant.

I am still not sold on reproductive success being the keystone of judging mental health issues though.

A psychopathic rapist that has 80 children would not be considered mentally healthy.

[Anonymous No.11378093]

>>11377826
A gay man can experience practically no suffering in modern society due to his sexual orientation

[Anonymous No.11378112]

>>11377491
>>11377576
That's a garbage definition, since it doesn't include reproduction.
To answer your question for the correct definition:
>LGT
Yes, all of that is maladaptive and makes people unable to reproduce under natural conditions.
>B
No, since their lives or offspring aren't impacted.

[Anonymous No.11378131]

>>11377826
>If so a homosexual that donates sperm is outdoing 99.9% of men that ever existed.
>Steven Hawking wasn't actually ill, since he still had a wheelchair and a computer speaking for him
>Polio isn't actually a disease guys, we have vaccines after all

[Anonymous No.11378360]

>>11377928
I'm not suggesting that reproduction be what you consider with all mental illnesses, but it is the relevent one to consider for sexual disorders like homosexuality, zoophilia, paeodphilia.

For a serial rapist you perhaps could say that they have a mental disorder of some sort on account of them being seemingly unable to have normal levels of social behaviour.

But then again most rapists choose to rape and are not considered to have a mental illness causing their actions. I'm not aware of compulsive rape disorder for example. If there were a mental illness that compelled people to rape then it would be considered a mental illness by criteria like I outlined though since it hindered normal social function.

[Anonymous No.11378369]

>>11377491
T maybe, LGB certainly isn't.

[Anonymous No.11378370]

I don't know. But browsing /pol/ is definitely a mental illness.

[Anonymous No.11378624]

PEPE IS THAT YOU?

[Anonymous No.11378628]

>>11377491
Yes and so is frogposting.

[Anonymous No.11378651]

Wait wait wait guys :D i know many more things witch are mental illnesses and we can cure.
Playing football, being retarded, being muslims, being religious, have an other opinion as I. Beliving bullshit. People who think Math=reality. People who belive in ghosts. Noisy people. People who speak to me at the street at random. People who like to shoot other people, like the military and other tings.People who believe in western propaganda.

Can we plz all cure theme? Yes yes yes?

[Anonymous No.11378704]

>>11377876
Dude they can fuck tens of guys in just one hay sauna trip

[Anonymous No.11380338]

>>11378112
>>11378112
That's also a somewhat flawed definition however, as direct reproductive success isn't the only metric of fitness. For instance, this would describe creatures such as worker ants as "ill", which seems to contradict the fact that they're one of the most successful groups of species on the planet.
I think it's perfectly possible for LG, and yeah, T, to be natural responses due to various other factors, and in fact it has been found that women with a homosexual brother tend to have more children than those who do not, meaning that it may in fact confer a survival advantage to the genes which cause it (if indeed there are such things).

[Anonymous No.11380357]

>>11377491
>LGB
it's a fetish, something that forms in childhood that kids connect to sexual feelings.
>T
Yes. Half are legit disabled and need help and therapy, the other half are attention whores.

[Anonymous No.11380966]

>>11380338
>has been found that women with a homosexual brother tend to have more children than those who do not
Absolutely not. It's the "gay uncle" hypothesis and the population data haven't corroborated it in the slightest.

[Anonymous No.11380990]

>>11377491
If someone has a "mental illness" should we degrade them, discriminate against them without legal consequence, or take away their rights?

Your question is ultimately meaningless, and you should just be honest about your political intentions.

[Anonymous No.11380992]

>>11377619
>Comparing being a tranny to being a bodybuilder
Jesus christ get the fuck off tumblr or Twitter or whatever the fuck social media trannies use

[Anonymous No.11381004]

>>11377491
According to new age psychologists it isnt, as a "mental problem" is defines as a condition were the sufferer has problems within his society due to his mental condition.
For example a man that may be considered mentally ill in our society due to schizophrenia wouldn't be in a society were he is seemed as a shaman that can connect with the gods or some shit.
As homosexuals are more than well adjusted in our society then by that definition they are not ill.
This is fucking bullshit of course, but proving its bullshit is left as an exercise for the reader

[Anonymous No.11381104]

>>11377491
Yes.

[Anonymous No.11381801]

>>11377491
Yes

[Anonymous No.11381882]

>>11377491
>>11377506
Even if that itself isn't, trannies have a lot of mental illnesses on their own.

[Anonymous No.11382191]

>all of this "well my personal definition is" talk
Amazing
We already have set and accepted definitions, why don't you fags just use those? Are you mentally ill or something?

[Anonymous No.11382488]

>>11377506
define "define"

[Anonymous No.11383129]

>>11380990
>If someone has a "mental illness" should we degrade them, discriminate against them without legal consequence, or take away their rights?
We do none of those things if someone's depressed or has ADD or autism or whatever. So what's your point?

[Anonymous No.11383187]

>>11377491

Yes, but not one that impairs them from leading an otherwise normal life.