/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11374197]

When will science cure obesity?

[Anonymous No.11374202]

It cured it decades ago

[Anonymous No.11374203]

>>11374197
CLAMPED.
CLAMPOLISM.
METABOCLAMPED.

[Anonymous No.11374240]

>>11374197
It's copper deficiency. Eat copper, limit calcium, supplement magnesium.

[Anonymous No.11374245]

>>11374203
>>11374240
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.11374246]

Stop eating shit and exercise, it really isn't difficult

[Anonymous No.11374251]

>>11374197
Same way tobacco smoking has been greatly reduced in the OPEC nations: ban advertisement of sugared drinks and high sugar products, particularly to children, add prominent warning labels to all high sugar products, implement steep taxes on sugary products, place prominent health warnings on high sugar products, and start advertisement campaigns in every country warning of the dangers of sugar.

Sugar is THE cause of obesity.

[Anonymous No.11374259]

It's a solved problem but the solution (diet + exercise) hasn't been implemented by everyone.

[Anonymous No.11374265]

>>11374246
>>11374259
Exercise has nothing to do with obesity, stop spreading this myth and read the science. It is true there are significant anti-inflammatory benefits from movement, but the primary cause of obesity is eating too much sugar. The exercise myth was started by the gym industry in the United States, which emerged in the 1980s. Making people think that they have to both "eat right AND exercise" makes losing weight and living longer sound much harder than it actually is, when all they really have to do is stop drinking all sugared beverages and make consumption of added-sugar products a luxury.

[Anonymous No.11374343]

>>11374245
It's the truth.
>>11374259
>>11374246
Because it's fucking bullshit that doesn't work.
>>11374251
>>11374265
Sugar can make it a bit worse because fructose depletes copper, but otherwise it's perfectly fine, you only need to eat enough copper.

[Anonymous No.11374349]

>>11374343
t.fatty

[Anonymous No.11374353]

>>11374197
You don't need "science" to cure obesity. Just put the goddamn fork down.

[Anonymous No.11374358]

>>11374265
This is the intelligence of your average amerifat

[Anonymous No.11374507]

Energy out>energy in
Simples

[Anonymous No.11374513]

>>11374197
anxiety, lots and lots of anxiety and you're body will not even store fat on top of burning through resources liek mad

[Anonymous No.11374524]

>>11374265
(((Big gym)))
Fucking lmao

[Anonymous No.11374541]

>>11374265
>but the primary cause of obesity is eating too much sugar
mother fucker i've been overloading on sugar every fucking day my whole fucking lief and i'm 135 fucking lb's

[Anonymous No.11374548]

guess what i had for breakfast? about 800 calories of chocolate and maybe 4 or 500 in potato chips. on top of an apple with meanut butter, on top of baby carrots. gonna eat some cereal next, some salmon when it thaws, fish stick and potato pancake for dinner, a big texas cinnamon roll with moar potato chips. you're just a lazy whiny faggot

[Anonymous No.11374603]

>>11374524
>>11374358
Nice, two morons brainwashed by food industry propaganda.

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/49/15/967
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
https://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f6340

Exercise is not an effective treatment for obesity or heart disease. Sugar and high carb diets are responsible for full body inflammation leading to heart disease and for insulin resistance leading to obesity.

The idea of "big gym" is somewhat laughable and inaccurate, what is true, though, is that the gym industry has successfully piggy-backed off of the efforts of the food and sugar industry to mystify the public about the primary causes of ill health. This started in the late 70s with the demonization of fat and the introduction of low fat, high sugar foods (sugar is needed to maintain the flavor of foods that have had their oil content removed), which is incidentally when obesity began its rapid climb.

Calorie counting, "workouts", reduced fat food, and the association of athletes with sugared beverages have all been essential in muddying the waters about the dangers of sugar consumption, and led the public to believe they can exercise away the negative effects of a bad diet.

>>11374541
Doesn't matter, you will develop insulin resistance and diabetes (worse than obesity) as you grow older if you continue on your present course. Insulin resistance doesn't develop overnight. Also you would probably be better off as a daily smoker from a life span perspective.

[Anonymous No.11374607]

>>11374197
I lost braincells reading that. Well done, OP.

[Anonymous No.11374608]

>>11374507
Moron, exercise levels were the same if not lower in the 60s and 70s when obesity was a rarity. The only thing that has changed is the percentage of the average diet that is composed of sugar.

[Anonymous No.11374615]

>>11374507
Coca-Cola shill.
>Coca Cola, who spent $3.3 billion on advertising in 2013, pushes a message that ‘all calories count’; they associate their products with sport, suggesting it is ok to consume their drinks as long as you exercise. However science tells us this is misleading and wrong. It is where the calories come from that is crucial. Sugar calories promote fat storage and hunger. Fat calories induce fullness or ‘satiation’.

[Anonymous No.11374625]

>>11374603
>Doesn't matter, you will develop insulin resistance and diabetes (worse than obesity) as you grow older if you continue on your present course. Insulin resistance doesn't develop overnight. Also you would probably be better off as a daily smoker from a life span perspective.
>implying i haven't already sorted that shit out
nigger i've gone through many diabetic reactions and even gastroparesis. im in control of this body, it does what i fucking want it to because ive figured it all out in the midst of the misery.

[Anonymous No.11374635]

>>11374265
>the primary cause of obesity is eating too much sugar
Not true by the way, sugar consumption has barely increased since the early 20th century. The intake of added fats however has nearly doubled.
>>11374197
Honestly nobody quite knows what causes obesity. Weight loss of course is trivial, but I'm interpreting your question as reversing excess adiposity.

[Anonymous No.11374702]

Science is causing obesity or at least enabling it, you can't tell me all these fat asses would be alive and breeding if there wasn't modern medicine and "advances" in food technology like high-fructose corn syrup and other processed garbage.

[Anonymous No.11374707]

>>11374246
low iq
>>11374265
medium iq
if you people actually looked into this you'd realize it's far more complicated than old /fit/ memes, and it varies hugely from person to person.

[Anonymous No.11374708]

>>11374251
Based and redpilled
Processed sugars is a literal drug, your brain didn't evolve to handle it

[Anonymous No.11374711]

>>11374707
>and it varies hugely from person to person.
citations/sources/evidence needed

[Anonymous No.11374712]

>>11374707
i'll put you in a concentration camp and you'll be skinny after 6 months - year. problem solved

[Anonymous No.11374715]

>>11374702
>fat asses would be alive and breeding if there wasn't modern medicine
of course they would. cheap high energy garbage food is definitely a factor in obesity though

[Anonymous No.11374730]

>>11374711
why demand a source when there are people like this is the thread
>>11374541

[Anonymous No.11374747]

>>11374197
>When will science my fetish
i hope never

[Anonymous No.11374761]

>>11374608
What is so hard for you to understand
Energy out > Energy In
Nothing you said violates this
Fucking fatties

[Anonymous No.11374779]

>>11374730
gud point

[Anonymous No.11374783]

>>11374197
It's impossible to become obese on a carnivore diet. If we eliminated carbs, vegetable oils and plant foods there wouldn't be a single obese person on the planet.

[Anonymous No.11374789]

>>11374197
Eat less, move more.

[Anonymous No.11374802]

>>11374761
But the brain automatically regulates both energy in and energy out.

Energy in is regulated through appetite. You can't just say "I will eat 500 calories a day until I'm at my desired weight," the brain and body will fight back. See "The Biggest Loser", everyone ends up regaining all of their weight.

The people focused on CICO are not looking at the larger picture. Everything in the body is tightly regulated. The question is WHY is our hunger so disregulated in the current environment? In the 50s, people were mostly thin without even trying.

[Anonymous No.11374805]

>>11374789
The obesity rate in america is still growing. 2000: 30.5%, 2016: 39.6%. People have been saying "Diet and exercise" and "Eat less, move more." for the last 20 years if not more. If those actually worked, America wouldn't be getting fatter and fatter.

[Anonymous No.11374810]

>>11374789
Not so much eat less but eat better.

[Anonymous No.11374827]

>>11374802
In a world full of artificial shit that does nothing but entice you to stuff shit down your throat through chemical trickery, relying on simple human instinct is no longer enough to keep you healthy.
Take, for example, the simple corn chip. It tastes of nothing, it's nothing but tasteless, barely nutritional carbohydrates. Just a few grams of chowing down on plain, unflavored chips is enough for you to get sick of it. However, if you were to add tons of artificial flavoring, along with the great deceiver flavor deceiver MSG, you could literally be scarfing down on bags and bags of corn chips for hours.

[Anonymous No.11374828]

>>11374805
They do work, but most people don't have any incentive or motivation to do either of them. If you burn more calories than you eat, you physiologically cannot maintain a high weight.

[Anonymous No.11374832]

>>11374805
They work, if they didn't you'd literally be breaking thermodynamics. The problem is, people don't really care enough to do them properly and over long enough periods to see benefits.

[Anonymous No.11374835]

>>11374828
Incentive or motivation? People do not want to be fat and try all sorts of ways of reducing their caloric intake. However, their disregulated hunger drives them to eat more than they need.

[Anonymous No.11374839]

>>11374832
"People don't care enough". Give me a fucking break. Stop focusing on CICO. If you want to be rich, all you need to do is make the amount of money coming into your bank account greater than the amount of money leaving your bank account. See? Problem solved. You're not rich? You just don't really care enough.

[Anonymous No.11374842]

>>11374835
Disregulated hunger is largely due to high carb intake. Fruits and vegetables are much more filling for the same amount of calories.

[Anonymous No.11374846]

>>11374839
>t. dying of obesity

[Anonymous No.11374847]

>>11374839
Except that eating less costs you less money. Eating fast food and processed shit all the time costs a lot of money

[Anonymous No.11374849]

>>11374835
"Disregulated hunger" is an interesting way of describing gluttony...

[Anonymous No.11374858]

>>11374849
>Blaming the victim
We've fucked up our food supply.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIRurLnQ8oo
High polyunsaturated fat "heart healthy" content -> Impaired reverse electron transport -> Broken satiety mechanism is one compelling theory.

[Anonymous No.11374864]

>>11374847
I was comparing CICO to MIMO (Money In, Money Out). If MIMO is all it takes to be rich, why aren't you rich?

[Anonymous No.11374870]

>>11374835
You're not wrong that there is a strong psychological aspect to it
Yes, certain foods can literally be addictive
>>11374839
But also yes, people literally do not care enough to lose weight. Just like most people do not care enough to make more money, because the demands of doing so aren't worth the results

[Anonymous No.11374874]

>>11374864
Because making more money requires a higher economic position, while taking in less calories trivially requires eating less food. You can't seriously imply eating less is as hard as making more money.

[Anonymous No.11374893]

>>11374874
If not being fat is as simple as eating less then why are there a lot of fat people in the world? Who desperately try to lose weight no less.

[Anonymous No.11374900]

>>11374874
>You can't seriously imply eating less is as hard as making more money.
No, it's harder.

[Anonymous No.11374904]

>>11374893
The incredible prevalence of foods that taste good and feel good to eat, but which are packed with calories and don't make you feel full unless you eat a shitload. Fullness is not simply determined by the amount of calories you've eaten, but heavily depends on the types of nutrients you're taking in.

[Anonymous No.11374908]

>>11374874
"eating less" isn't as simple
your gut and your mind don't exist in separate vacuums and the body's natural hunger regulators are easily fucked up by the modern lifestyle.
Eating a huge amount of carbohydrates for breakfast, for example, can shoot up your insulin to insane levels, leading to a crash that can leave you feeling really hungry after only a couple of hours after breakfast, much sooner than you should be.

[Anonymous No.11374910]

>>11374900
Lay off the Hungry Mans and frozen pizzas.

[Anonymous No.11374915]

>>11374707
its hilarious that how people gain weight has been understood for centuries and everyone learns how people gain and lose weight from a young age and you even admit that you are aware of the correct fitness advice for losing weight, yet fatties still cope and deny the facts. its amazing how people deny blatant facts just because the truth makes them uncomfortable.

[Anonymous No.11374918]

>>11374908
You need to do what nutritionists have been saying for a long time: make your diet more fruit and vegetable-heavy. People simply don't do that enough.

[Anonymous No.11374917]

>>11374910
good tip, useless nigger.

[Anonymous No.11374923]

>>11374908
>i'm eating less. why am i hungry? how could this happen?
lmao at fatty delusions. put down the hamburger. i don't care how hungry you are. calories in - calories out.

[Anonymous No.11374925]

>>11374908
it's as simple as making sure you don't go over a certain amount of calories per day. it's the same principle as drug addiction: you simply taper off and take it one day at a time, but whereas incorrigible drug addicts are part of the 10% or so of the population which has actual self control deficiencies aka brain damage, it's harder to believe that the majority of the united states citizenry cannot put forth the willpower necessary to put the fork down.

[Anonymous No.11374928]

>>11374908
Then don't fucking eat carbs for breakfast, eat more fruits and veggies

[Anonymous No.11374930]

>>11374918
I agree with you but the post i replied to has oversimplified it to "eat less" and seems to completely disregard the complexity of the effects of different foods on the human body.

[Anonymous No.11374931]

>>11374915
lmao fat people don't deny that excessive food turns into fat you strawman spouting imbecile.

[Anonymous No.11374933]

>>11374930
I am that guy. I clarified this point exactly here:
>>11374904

[Anonymous No.11374934]

>>11374197
Cosume less calories than you spend

[Anonymous No.11374935]

>>11374918
>fruit and vegetable-heavy
thanks grandma, will follow your top advice that you pulled straight out of your ass. sugar high fruits will surely do the trick.

[Anonymous No.11374936]

>>11374931
some do, but even if they accept that you will find many, like OP, who deny calories in - calories out, and they make up shit like "starvation mode" making them gain weight or start talking about irrelevant things like carbs making you tired. Its just an excuse. Don't eat carbs if you know you will crash later. Don't use it as an excuse not to eat less.

[Anonymous No.11374942]

>>11374935
Retard misses the point again. Fruits make you feel more full with less calories than pure carb processed junk.

[Anonymous No.11374943]

>>11374936
>starvation mode
is a real thing you utter retard. you are nothing but a science denier.

[Anonymous No.11374944]

ITT: Coping lardasses

[Anonymous No.11374945]

>>11374935
fruits have fiber
fiber is known to control the way your body absorbs simple sugars
which is why juice is bad but whole fruits are not

[Anonymous No.11374947]

>>11374942
fruits dont make me feel shit personally.

[Anonymous No.11374949]

>>11374943
"starvation mode" isn't why you fail at dieting every time, fatty

[Anonymous No.11374950]

>>11374947
Look up the recommended daily intake of fruits and vegetables and then get back to me.

[Anonymous No.11374957]

>>11374945
fair enough, doesn't mean fruits are actually high quality foods. oats are higher in in fiber and taste better too.

[Anonymous No.11374958]

>>11374950
worst "argument" i've ever heard.
>hey dude god exists luk it up in de bible

[Anonymous No.11374961]

>>11374958
i think you missed the point again

fatty

[Anonymous No.11374963]

>>11374957
Part of your problem is including how good it tastes in the criteria of "high quality food." Oats are more carb-dense than fruit, so you need to eat more carlories worth of oats to feel as full as equivalent calories of fruit.

[Anonymous No.11374964]

>>11374961
i think you forgot to type it

fatty

[Anonymous No.11374968]

>>11374963
again "feel as full" speak for yourself.
first of all i didn't include that in the criteria. secondly if you can't enjoy things then why live.

[Anonymous No.11374971]

>b-but MUH THYROIDS!
>b-but MUH SUGARS!
>b-but MUH MENTAL ILLNESS!
>b-but MUH STARVATION MODE!

Calorie in and Calorie out, its really that simple.

[Anonymous No.11374972]

>>11374964
Alright, I'll spell it out for you.
Fruits and veggies aren't as calorie-dense by mass as high carb foods, so you need to eat more than two apples and some baby carrots a day. You can eat a higher biomass of fruits and veggies than carb foods, while taking in less calories overall.

[Anonymous No.11374976]

>>11374972
insignificant bullshit. and retarded as shit. go eat your 50 fruits a day and tell us how that works out for you.

[Anonymous No.11374977]

>>11374968
>secondly if you can't enjoy things then why live.
Because feeling healthy feels WAY better than eating tasty foods. By a long-ass way.

[Anonymous No.11374980]

>>11374976
Obviously 50 a day is an exaggeration, but I have a healthy diet and feel fantastic. I'm 150 lbs, can climb flights of stairs and recover quickly, wake up less groggy than I used to while drinking less caffeine, feel more motivated to be active, can lift myself off the floor without effort, etc.

[Anonymous No.11374984]

>>11374977
>believing you cant eat tasty foods and be healthy

[Anonymous No.11374988]

>>11374984
Fruits and veggies can be tasty, just not to the dopamine-rush level of a pizza.

[Anonymous No.11374990]

>>11374984
Also, eating unhealthy foods every once in a while is perfectly consistent with having a healthy diet. It's all about what makes up the majority of your daily diet, all about your average nutrients.

[Anonymous No.11374994]

>>11374980
So you think your anecdotal personal bs proves anything? you really make me laugh. btw caffeine is nothing but poison.

[Anonymous No.11374996]

>>11374994
No, I only told you that because you specifically asked me how it would work for me.
And yes, I also think caffeine is shit, and a healthy diet is a good replacement for caffeine to feel less tired.

[Anonymous No.11374997]

>>11374990
you contradicted yourself in this post. there's really no such thing as "unhealthy foods" but what you said about what makes up the majority of your daily diet is absolutely true. especially what you eat as your first meal is important.

[Anonymous No.11374998]

>>11374603
>Sugar and high carb diets are responsible for full body inflammation leading to heart disease and for insulin resistance leading to obesity.
You have to realize when you say something like this that such a broad category you're invoking involves thousands of different foods that have different effects on your health. If lollipops and soda are inflammatory, it doesn't mean sweet potatoes and blueberries, with their numerous anti-inflammatory compounds, are too.

The authors of your studies aren't exactly impartial either. They're infamous "alternative science" diet book authors with a lot of criticisms to their names.

>This started in the late 70s with the demonization of fat and the introduction of low fat, high sugar foods (sugar is needed to maintain the flavor of foods that have had their oil content removed), which is incidentally when obesity began its rapid climb.
This is a narrative from those diet books that doesn't stand up to investigation. Sugar was "demonized" at least as much as fat, with dietary guidelines telling people to cut down on sugar. The existence of low-fat foods doesn't mean that everyone stopped eating fat, either.

Here's the nutrient breakdown of the average American diet from 1909 to 2010

https://fns-prod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/nutrient_content_of_the_us_food_supply/KilocaloriesandMacronutrientsPerCapitaperDay1909-2010.xls

People with an agenda might start from, say, 1960, and say "carbohydrates kept going up and people got fatter" but if you look at the full range, carbohydrate intake was high in the early 1900s, went down, and then went back to baseline. People in 2010 were eating less carbs than people 100 years before. The major difference is in fat intake, mainly from oils, which steadily and continuously rose over the century.

[Anonymous No.11375002]

>>11374997
I define "unhealthy food" as a food that should not make up a significant average part of a healthy diet, such as high carb and fat foods.

[Anonymous No.11375005]

>>11374996
don't be so autistic. great for you that you feel healthy, don't think that that makes you an expert. survival bias.

[Anonymous No.11375007]

>>11375005
You literally asked, idiot. I wouldn't have included the anecdote otherwise.

[Anonymous No.11375013]

>>11375007
>You literally asked, idiot.
lol

[Anonymous No.11375062]

>>11374603
Nonsense. The only reason why sugar seems to be bad is because fructose depletes copper. When you are not copper deficient eating sugar is perfectly fine. We've lived on high carb diets through most of recorded history, with none of such problems.
Copper induces obesity through several ways.
1. Copper is needed for burning long chain fatty acids. Tissues deficient in copper canot burn fat efficiently, if at all. (keto avoids this)
2. Copper is necessary for dopamine beta-hydroxylase, which among other things is needed in the pathway which turns on brown fat.
3. It's necessary in primary amine oxidase, deficiency of which, for reasons that are not completely understood, makes fat cells grow bigger.

[Anonymous No.11375064]

>>11375062
>The only reason why sugar seems to be bad is because fructose depletes copper.
Where are you hearing this copper shit? It sounds like some Ray Peat quackery

[Anonymous No.11375074]

Just do intermittent fasting, exercise two days a week, and don't eat processed garbage.

How much easier do you need this to be?

[Anonymous No.11375087]

>>11375064
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3261305/
https://insulinresistance.org/index.php/jir/article/view/43/142
etc.

[Anonymous No.11375095]

>>11375087
Any relevance to humans and obesity? I see James DiNicolantonio in the author list of the second study and he's another quacky cholesterol denier who thinks salt will lower blood pressure instead of raise it

[Anonymous No.11375096]

>>11374343

it works, if you tell me what your diet and exercise plan is I will tell you why you are fat.

If you don't have one then that's why you are fat.

[Anonymous No.11375098]

>>11374197
Youre all brainwashed, Yall arent looking at the big picture. Climate change, obesity, carbon emissions, global warming, war, globalism. They all share a common thread.
LIZARD PEOPLE
Our capitalistic society was created by the lizard men long ago with specific plans in mind. Lizard men are behind wars which are fought over oil, they promote the burning of oil, and are the shadow organization responsible for climate change.
So why you might ask? Well what is oil? Oil is the mummified blood which contains the souls of legendary dinosaur warriors. These warriors were so strong they opposed the gods. The gods, unable to kill them, burried them beneath the earth. While these dinosaurs cannot take physical form, their spirit is omnipotent. These dinosaur souls are causing the earth to heat up, as it was when they reigned. They are increasing available carbon which will allow lizards to grow once more. Once the lizards rise, they will reconquer earth and rule the heavens.
However, who controls the lizards? Ronald McDonald is currently working on a deal so that brontoburgers will one day be a thing. Some day in the future it will be glorious.

[Anonymous No.11375101]

>>11375095
>Any relevance to humans and obesity?
see >>11375062
>quacky cholesterol denier who thinks salt will lower blood pressure instead of raise it
Sodium loss seems to be another symptom of copper deficiency.

[Anonymous No.11375106]

>>11375096
It seems you wanted to reply to another post.

[Anonymous No.11375110]

>>11375101
See >>11375095
The post you're linking me back to has no evidence. I accept that added sugars may induce copper deficiency, at least in subjects with a marginal baseline copper level, but that's not making a case for copper deficiency causing obesity or for sugar having no harmful effects in the absence of copper deficiency

[Anonymous No.11375126]

>>11375106

not really no, poster claimed exercise and dieting doesn't work. The poster is wrong so I offered to fix his faulty ways.

[Anonymous No.11375148]

>>11374240

[Anonymous No.11375190]

>>11375110
You didn't specify what you need sourced.
>>11375126
You're being dishonest. Diet and exercise only makes you hungrier and weaker, until you won't be able to follow the "plan" after which you claim it's the people's fault for not followng it.

[Anonymous No.11375196]

>>11375190

that's wrong, my diet and exercise plan involves eating pretty much all the time and I lose weight just fine.

I'm not ever hungry, there's no point. I eat whenever I want and I'm fit. The benefits of planning what you eat instead of stuffing your face full of empty calories.

[Anonymous No.11375212]

let me elaborate; trying to reverse serveral years of bad habits by going on 3-weeks suicide diets doesn¨t work, no.

Eating healthy food and exercising EVERY DAY works, it's about the long run.

[Anonymous No.11375266]

>>11375196
If you've nevr been fat it doesn't count.

[Anonymous No.11375268]

>>11374615
>Explain the literal and only way to not be obese
>Get called shill
Surely you're not serious right

[Anonymous No.11375303]

>>11374197
Eat enough. Not too much. All or mostly plants. Exercise.
There, I cured obesity.

[Anonymous No.11375314]

>>11375303
Cool, go get your nobel prize.

[Anonymous No.11375326]

>>11375314
Can't. You need to drone-strike US citizens to get those.

[Anonymous No.11375334]

>>11375326
Also a brain.

[Anonymous No.11375335]

>>11375266

I've lost weight and maintained my lower fat percentage for 8 years through diet and exercise.

I also stuff my face full of food 7 times a week. It's not difficult, if you post your diet / exercise plan I'll help you for free!
If you don't have one then you'll remain fat, obviously.

[Anonymous No.11375338]

>>11375335

I meant 7 times a day obviously, I eat 7 meals a day. At least.

[Anonymous No.11375368]

>>11374245
Unclamp yourself.

[Anonymous No.11375385]

>>11375335
>>11375338

Obvious lie.

[Anonymous No.11375791]

The science of it is settled. The questions "Why am I fat?" and "How can I lose fat" is easily answerable using simple CICO as pointed out already.

The new question is now a psychological one. Why does a person choose to maintain a high calorie diet in light of the overwhelming negative consequences? How can one make themselves not want to do this? This is more about understanding flawed human behavior than science.

[Anonymous No.11375800]

>>11375791
food that makes you fat is addictive

[Anonymous No.11375927]

>>11375791
People will not quit on their own. Tobacco usage has been dramatically reduced through a combination of the following strategies:

1. High taxes. Tobacco used to be ridiculously cheap, now it is essentially a luxury good. Sugared foods are likewise very cheap. Add a tax of 200% and I can guarantee you people would think twice before buying a $15 (previously $5) pack of Oreos. Of course people will bitch, but they're stupid and don't know what's good for them.

2. Limited package and portion sizes, and bans on discount pricing. While not all jurisdictions have implemented this, some places don't allow for savings when you buy a carton as opposed to a pack. It has to be as inconvenient as possible to indulge the habit.

3. Banning vending machines (especially drinks, but also snacks). Recall that there used to be cigarette vending machines.

4. Banning all forms of advertisement.

5. Many (smart) countries ban package branding of any kind, requiring plain font on solid colored packaging. There is no reason this could not be done with cookies, cakes, chips, drinks, etc.

6. Prominent warning labels. "SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: This food product is dangerous to your health and will reduce your lifespan if habitually consumed." "SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: This product is known to cause diabetes, heart disease, obesity, and early death." etc etc

7. Publicly funded advertisements, particularly targeted to children and young adults who have not yet become fully habituated to garbage food.

This will happen sometime in the next 100 years, but probably not before ~50% of the population is obese and ~70% is overweight. The food industry, like the tobacco industry, has used a militant disinformation campaign to ensure that it does not happen.

[Anonymous No.11375936]

>>11375927
but >muh freedoms

[Anonymous No.11375945]

>>11375936
freedom was a mistake

people left to their own devices will destroy themselves and everything around them

[Anonymous No.11375963]

obesity is this weird mixture between malnutrition and excess energy intake, poor signaling between gut-brain, brain serotonin disorders, excess insulin secretion or insulin sensitivity, and many other factors where genetic/epigenetic plays a big role as well.

nowadays, you can use a multidisciplinary approach where you combine lifestyle changes + excercise + pharmacological approach to treat obesity.

with type2 diabetes medications such as metformin, incretin analogues and dypeptidil-peptidase-4 inhibitors, or even some antidepressants such as benzodiazepines and SERT inhibitors there have been good results in treating obesity.

incretins are hormones your gut secretes when you eat food, and dpp4 is the hormone in charge of cleaving incretins in your body.
if you raise incretin levels you increase satiety, and if you inhibit dpp4 enzymes you inhibit incretin cleaving thus causing the same effect as raising incretins. While incretins have low T1/2 (minutes), DPP4-I medications have longer T1/2 (hours), so they are the better choice between both.

the NEJM just published like 2 months ago a paper about the benefits of fasting talking about the issue as well.

there is hope for obese people as long as they get (professional) help.

[Anonymous No.11375985]

There is literally nothing wrong with being "obese"

[Anonymous No.11375995]

>>11375985
lack of mobility
organs struggling to function
burden on society
visual travesty
drain on resources

[Anonymous No.11376003]

>>11375985

obesity (bmi >25 and onwards) is a risk factor for dyslipidemia, diabetes, coronary heart disease, stroke, hypertension, deep venous thrombosis and many other things.

for every 2 kilograms of extra weight you have, your systolic blood pressure rises 1 point

adypocites are pro-inflamatory cells, they secrete interleukins that favor oxidative stress and damage and deplete your defenses against oxidative stress, predisposing you even more to all the diseases i mentioned previously.

[Anonymous No.11376006]

>>11376003

the only thing that is worse than obesity in causing oxidative stres, but is much easier to treat, is smoking.

[Anonymous No.11376009]

>>11376003
>bmi

[Anonymous No.11376164]

>>11376009
Yes retard, BMI. Unless you pumped yourself full of test and do body building as a career, you're a fucking fatass

[Anonymous No.11376183]

>>11376003
Are you sure

[Anonymous No.11376203]

>>11376003
trump proves your rong

[Anonymous No.11376207]

>>11376203
LORD GOD KING PRESIDENT TRUMP

[Anonymous No.11376272]

The real question isn't what causes fat, or how to remove it, or the health problems of being fat, but how much fat is ideal?

I bulk up every winter in order to help maintain my temperature, and lose it every summer. I'm not sure as to the health effects of this, but it's extremely comfortable in my environment.

[Anonymous No.11376297]

>>11376183

>Obesity and hypertension
sci-hub(dot)btw/10.1016/j.phrs.2017.05.013

>Obesity and in particular the excessive visceral fat distribution is accompanied by several alterations at hormonal, inflammatory and endothelial level.

> These alterations induce a stimulation of several other mechanisms that contribute to the hypertensive state and on the other side to increase the cardiovascular morbidity

> obese subjects have a 3.5 fold increased likelihood of having hypertension

> 60% of hypertension is attributable to increase in adipose stores.

> prevalence of hypertension among obese
individuals with a BMI < 30 kg/m2 is 42.5%

[Anonymous No.11376305]

>>11376272
>help maintain my temperature
explain this meme

>lose it every summer
how

[Anonymous No.11376320]

>>11376183

> Inflammation, obesity, and thrombosis.
sci-hub(dot)tw/10.1182/blood-2013-05-427708

> Clinical and epidemiological studies support a connection between obesity and thrombosis,

>obesity predisposes to cardiovascular diseases, insulin resistance, and type 2 diabetes (T2D).

>Central obesity is specifically associated with cardiovascular mortality,

>obesity is a significant risk factor for the development of arterial thrombosis and venous thromboembolism

an answer to OP's question in this article as well:

>Interventions such as diet, ex-ercise, and gastric bypass surgery not only result in weight loss andreduced visceral adipose tissue mass, but also improve insulinsensitivity, delay the onset of T2D, and prevent cardiovascular disease

[Anonymous No.11376327]

>>11374197
when researchers have more sway than money does in shaping policy.

[Anonymous No.11376363]

>>11376183

> Obesity and dyslipidemia.
sci-hub(dot)tw/10.1016/j.metabol.2018.11.005

> Obesity... is deeply associated with dyslipidemia

> Insulin resistance/hyperinsulinemia is the most common metabolic disorder in obesity
and it is the main driving force behind the development of dyslipidemia.

> Dyslipidemia is an important link between obesity and the development of type 2 diabetes
mellitus, cardiovascular disease (CVD) and certain types of cancer.


>>11376272
in this study, they mention Metabolically Healthy Obese (MHO) individuals,

Usually, in the various medical literatures they mention 2 types of fat: Visceral fat (bad fat) and peripheral fat (good fat).

visceral fat (brown) has M2 cells wich produce deletereous substances that damage your body, and is surrounding your organs8 you may be "skinny" on the outside while having visceral -bad- fat).

the peripheral fat (white) is not the one in your organs but the one you wear on the outside, they have M1 cells and they produce little proinflamatory substances.

you can be fat on the outside and be healthy

but if you're fat on the inside then that's bad (even if you're skinny on the outside as well)

[Anonymous No.11376371]

>>11376363

also, 2 things:

-Try to stay <25%BMI
-You'll never know how much visceral fat you have unless you get a colimated x-ray pic

[Anonymous No.11376760]

>>11375791
It's a fucking disgrace medicine keeps insisting on such blatant pseudoscience despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
If you had a fat pet, you would know they are crazy from hunger, trying to gobble up anything that looks at least remotely edible, including obviously disgusting things.
Horses are getting fat. You can hear voices who say that "responsible" owners should muzzle their horses to prevent them from overeating, despite the obvious absurdity. You can see horses that break their teeth gnawing on salt licks.
And you still insist there isn't anything unnatural going on, people just "chose to eat".
Any fat person could easily answer your questions (they are hungry and physically weak, as if they were actually starving) you just refuse to listen.

[Anonymous No.11376774]

>>11376760
It's a reflection of our resource abundance

[Anonymous No.11376786]

>>11376774
It might be the reflection of our poverty, despote the ostensible abundance. Our soils are depleted and lacking vital nutrients, this poverty goes up the food chain.

[Anonymous No.11376794]

>>11374802
how do i get my brain to successfully rule my body?

[Anonymous No.11376839]

This is how you solve obesity

Calculate your estimated TDEE

subtract 500 calories on days where you don't exercise, eat more on training days

eat less processed food, less emtpy carbs and processed sugar; ultimate goal is lessened sugar consumption overall

intermittent fasting

[Anonymous No.11376844]

>>11376839
>Byronbay
have you seen how they look today? They are even more hit by copper deficiency, since they haven't encountered it until the 20th century. Most of them are obese and demented by their middle age.

[Anonymous No.11376885]

Either you spend 3-5 hours on daily excercises of push-ups, sit-ups and half a mile runs. Or you go on a strict diet of vegetables and fish with little processed meats and sugars.

Gym isn't needed unless you want body sculpting via weight training. Meanwhile most diets can't resolve the metabolism factor because they are invoke short term solutions.The basic issue is that most working adults don't have the time for the former and don't have the taste for the later.

[Anonymous No.11376907]

I don't want to be thin. It feels horrible to be thin. I go some weight lifting but I will always want to stay fat.

[Anonymous No.11376949]

>>11374864
Retard

[Anonymous No.11378390]

saved

[Anonymous No.11378436]

If your CI is off your CO by 50 calories a day (which is nothing), after a year, you have gained or lost 5 pounds in a year. After 5 years of this, you would be off 25 pounds your original weight.

Yet, this doesn't happen. And the vast majority of weight stable people aren't tracking their calories every day. And even if they are, they're not within 50 calories per day accuracy.

So how does the body stay stable weight in these conditions? It's because the body regulates (changes) CI / CO on its own without you having to think about it consciously and DECIDING to override your natural instincts. Something about the current environment is disrupting this natural balance in some people.

[Anonymous No.11378764]

>>11374265
Idiot. US sugar consumption has been falling for the past decade+ while obesity continues to rise. Look up fucking statistics before you run your mouth on here

[Anonymous No.11379135]

>>11374251
No it's not, obesity is more caused by caloric excess + metabolic dysfunction. Sugar is metabolically boosting, things like liquid vegetable fats damage your metabolism. By the way, US sugar consumption per capita was relatively steady for most of the 20th century, increasing to only 120% or so at the peak in the 2000s, barely reflecting a rise in obesity, while vegetable oil consumption significantly rose and mirrored the increase in obesity. Vegetable oils are by the way a relatively new invention, you never had jugs of canola oil lying around before. A possible drawback of sugar though is that it risks depleting your micronutrients if you consume purified sugars, because of the lack of micros and increased metabolism depleting them. Your line of thinking now has people thinking fruit is poisonous.

[Anonymous No.11379139]

>>11374603
Bitch even mainstream science acknowledges that sugar in itself doesn't give you diabetes.

[Anonymous No.11379578]

Dumb anon.
Stop posting and go for a jog.

[Anonymous No.11380287]

Just did intermittent fasting (4 days all u can eating done in 8 hour window in a 24 hour period). Tough at times. But a cup of hot water & distractions made it easier.

Effects have been amazing. It's the Constant snacking that was getting to me, constant high insulin. But also, going to sleep with food in the gut still digesting.

Aftereffects: psychological distance from feeling need to eat. Greater Willpower, energy, emotional control, overall health improved.

Be proactive guys. Fight back or die

[Anonymous No.11380384]

>>11374197
The science is already there.
Eat less calories than you burn.
I think what you’re actually asking is when will science let you eat as much as you want and not get fat, to which I reply; fix your diet, fatty.

[Anonymous No.11380451]

>>11380384
Just kill yourself useless dunning kruger tard.

[Anonymous No.11380487]

>>11380451
>Here's the objective facts of the matter according to the fundamental laws of physics
>>N-no

[Anonymous No.11380492]

>>11380487
>still thinks he knows what he's talking about
i was at your level of thinking 15 years ago. kys dunning tard

[Anonymous No.11380497]

>>11380492
Well, since you clearly have such an amazing grasp on things, please disprove conservation of energy.

[Anonymous No.11380503]

>>11374265
is this bait?

is OP a literal retard?

the world may never know

[Anonymous No.11380506]

>>11380497
>p-please lecture me; an imbecile with the attention span of a goldfish, please master
no. i can tell you haven't even read this thread.

[Anonymous No.11380512]

>>11380506
>Yes please let me swallow your cum I want all the calories I can possibly stuff into myself
Have some self respect.

[Anonymous No.11380520]

>>11374197
When the government stops subsidizing food I think.

[Anonymous No.11380723]

When HFCS is made illegal

[Anonymous No.11381285]

>>11374197
Science cannot cure obesity because it is a fundamentally incorrect angle to approach it from.

[Anonymous No.11382646]

>>11374265
>>11374358
>>11374635
>>11378764
>>11380503
I hate that you're getting shit for being more or less correct. Exercise has way less of an impact on weight loss than most assume. People overestimate how many calories they burn working out and underestimate how much empty calories they are actually eating. Unless you are doing 2-3 hours of cardio a day, don't expect to burn a 1,000 calories. In fact 1 mile of running only burns about 100 calories on average. Yes, it temporarily speeds up your metabolism, and is great for heart health and overall fitness, but cutting out the calories from food is a significantly more efficient way to lose fat than working out.
I'm an ex-swimmer of 16 years, and used to do 20+ hours a week of intense anaerobic workouts. 6 days a week, 3 of which were 2 2 hour practices a day. It's been 4 years since then and don't do jack shit for exercise now but weigh the exact same. 5'11" 165 lbs. Hell I eat fast food 4 times a week and bacon everyday too. All that changed is I eat smaller meal portions, avoid soda, fries, heavy breads and never get desert.
My example is anecdotal, but sugar is factually empty calories with no nutritional value added. Sugar consumption is down but obesity isn't because they classify "sugar" differently from carbohydrates. Sugar is what makes up carbohydrates like breads, pastas, fries and chips not just candy and soda. The difference is that unprocessed high carb foods often have good nutrients with them. People back in the 1900's also ate less processed carbs, and weren't eating a mind boggling 3600 fucking calories a day like the current average american does. The issue is somewhat nuanced but losing weight is no mystery. Eat fewer foods with empty calories to more easily be under your daily calorie limit and you will lose weight.

[Anonymous No.11382755]

>>11374197

What's so hard about this? Cut down the fucking carbs and move your ass around a little, you will lose weight. FFS

[Anonymous No.11382772]

>>11378436

this only works if you eat proper food.

If you consume 1500 calories of pizza and coke you will still feel hungry pretty fast because you lack proper nutrients and liquid calories don't fill you up.

If you eat normal food you can eat whenever you are hungry and not put so much thought into but the problem is that people in general have awful diets.

[Anonymous No.11383027]

>>11375190
>. Diet and exercise only makes you hungrier and weaker, until you won't be able to follow the "plan" after which you claim it's the people's fault for not followng it.

Holy fuck this can't be real, I went from a fat fuck to being slightly underweight by doing 30 mins of cardio every day going for walks, eating 1/2 cup of oats for breakfast and a chicken salad for lunch. LMAO at delusional amerilards who think diet and excercise doesn't work....

[Anonymous No.11383135]

>>11374197
Never hopefully

[Anonymous No.11383310]

>>11374202
Truth, problem is people. They either ignore or are ignorant of the science.

[Anonymous No.11383396]

>>11383135
pic related: why i'm never getting married

[Anonymous No.11383908]

Pretty simple stuff from basic nutrition chapter in high school biology text, surprised more people haven't given the correct response. Sugar is the biggest cause of weight gain. Excess sugar leads to insulin resistance, which leads to reduced sugar absorption. The extra sugar is converted into fat. In addition, insulin resistance leads to elevated appetite as the body had trouble absorbing the food you are giving it (the REAL "slow metabolism"). Also to clarify for those who don't understand Into to Biology: "sugar" is glucose, but of COURSE most sugar is not ingested as glucose, but as fructose from fruits and corn syrup, or sucrose from table sugar, etc etc. Even starch from potatoes is a sugar. However, as is well known, the more complex the sugar, the more justified it is to eat it. Whole breads, despite still being loaded with simple carbs, are probably ok if you cut out the other items on this list, which are all garbage:

For most people who are overweight or mildly obese, cutting out
>Soda, juice, energy drinks, sport drinks, etc etc
>Limiting alcohol to 1 or 2 times (tons of sugar) a week
>Limiting dessert to an indulgence once a week
>Recognizing that LOTS of the packaged food that is probably sitting in your house is simple carbs/sugar. This means NO packaged crackers, crisps, crunchies, munchies, pretzels, chips, morsels, sugared yogurts (these should be a dessert item!), and the obvious dessert stuff like cookies, cakes, breakfast cereals, etc.

The REAL challenge is realizing just how much sugar you are actually consuming and trying to curtail it as much as possible. They have dumped it everywhere in our diet and it is destroying our health.

[Anonymous No.11383913]

>>11383908
Oh, and for all of the sugar apologists out there, have a friendly article on me:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/01/the-startling-link-between-sugar-and-alzheimers/551528/
I won't visit you when you are in the alzheimer's care home, but it won't matter because you won't know what's going on anyway!

[Anonymous No.11384412]

>>11383027

Good job anon, you're my hero.
Anyone can fall off, it happens, the judge of character comes from what you are willing to do to redeem yourself.

[Anonymous No.11384415]

>>11374197
how about you cure it yourself by stopping to fill your fat face with doughnutts and sugar water

[Anonymous No.11384675]

>>11383396
>pic related: why i'm never getting married
Can’t you see how much happier pierce is over the years?

[Anonymous No.11384700]

>>11374197
They did find a cure: healthy diet and exercise. It's just that people are too lazy to actually take care of themselves.

[Anonymous No.11385450]

>>11374265
Unironically true. You cannot put exercise a shit diet.
all who doubt this suck cock by choice and will die of diabeetus

[Anonymous No.11385455]

>>11383396
>He doesn't enjoy watching his wife grow through her indulgences

Never Gonna Make It...

[Anonymous No.11385458]

>>11383135
based Pierce

[Anonymous No.11385814]

>>11374197
The cure is not constantly shoveling garbage into your face hole. It's pretty easy.

[Anonymous No.11386621]

>>11385814
wrong. the cure is eating copper, 25mg/day

[Anonymous No.11386679]

>>11385450

it's true but exercise helps you lose weight and should be done for other reasons.

The anon you quoted is autistic, nobody said EXERCISE alone cure you, we said diet AND exercise. And that's still the best recipe, much better than diet alone.

[Anonymous No.11386681]

>>11374197
Literally just don't eat lol

[Anonymous No.11386684]

>>11386621
lol

[Anonymous No.11387379]

>>11374343
>Because it's fucking bullshit that doesn't work.
cope harder fat cunt
eat less, move more - your body obeys the laws of thermodynamics